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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

		Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 488

Welcome to new members:

	 Ehud Yaniv			(???????????????????????)
	 Seiler				(???????????????????????)
	 Kenneth G. High		(???????????????????)
	 Terence Ronson			(??????????????????????????)
	 Marshall Jelderks		(?????????????????????)
	 Robert E. Caceres		(??????????????????????)
	 Dave				(???????????????????????????)
	 Kevin L. Conlin		(?????????????????????????????)
	 Richard Bourgeois		(??????????????)
	 Todd Rozwood			(???????????????????????????????)
	 Russ McClay			(/????????????????????????)
	 Mark Gregor			(??????????????????????????)

And, this week, we wish everyone in the U.S. a happy Labor Day! (We
have an apropos Snappy Comeback for it too!) I hope you'll forgive
Your Moderator for not being too loquatious this Digest, as he's full
of muscle relaxant (unfortunately, not the single-malt kind :-) for a
back spasm. So let's exert the minimum of labor as we just sit back,
light up, and discuss Mosaic, killer Louisiana megaterbacky, the
Seattle scene, the possibly-world's-only pipe-friendly B&B, oil and
water, Zen, and the beach...

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			Call -- Write -- Vote
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From: ?????????????????
Subject: PIPES DIGEST #155 -- AUG

I'd rather keep things as they are, Steve. I haven't the vaguest idea
of how to accession or work with Mosaic. I'm barely able to keep up
just with internet messages. Ben Frank

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: PIPES DIGEST #155

sorry to be in the dark, but what's "Mosaic"?

[ From what I know of it, it's a large distributed database with some
hypertext capability. Anyone have a better definition? -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Richard E. Byer)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994

> Steve, A message in the most recent digest discussed Ehrlich's in Boston 
> and how it had changed (and indeed it has), but in passing the writer 
> mentioned American Pipes and MT.  Americans are sold all over the DC 
> area.  I've met MT several times at some of the local shops.  His name is 
> Mark Tinsley.  He's a hell of a nice guy and a dedicated craftsman.  He 
> also does most of the pipe repairs for the DC area shops and has done an 
> excellent and inexpensive job on some treasured pipes of mine, including 
> a $450 Ser Jacobo.
> The American Pipes range from about $70 to hundreds, but they are 
> comparable to pipes costing twice as much.  He does a tremendous variety 
> of shapes and will sometimes do particular shapes to order.  If you see 
> one of Mark's pipes for sale, and you like the shape, buy it.  You won't 
> be sorry.  Among other things, I've never seen a fill or pit on any of 
> his pipes.
> [ Thanks for the report, Rick! Do you have Mark Tinsley's whereabouts? -S. ]

He lives somewhere in Pennsylvania.  He does at least one show a year at 
John B. Hayes Tobacco in the Fair Oaks Mall in Fairfax county, VA (my 
favorite tobacconist's).  I'll ask John for Mark's address the next time 
I go in there.  John's is the best place in the DC area to hang out and 
smoke a pipe, IMHO.  When John isn't presiding over his shop or off on 
one of his frequent Alaskan fishing trips, he's a fishing guide on the 
Potomac River.  It's a great place for cordial smoking and pleasant 

Rick Byer <????????????????>

[ Gracias! -S. ]

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From: The AMAZING TOM LINE !! <?????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994

	Somebody suggested 'boiling old pipes in alcohol'. Is this 
traditional proven practice? Something about heating up alcohol to the 
point of boiling sounds pretty dumb to me. Besides the fire hazard it 
seems that emersion would warp the wood. Could somebody clarify the art 
of really cleaning up old pipes for me?

	And as for Moasic NOT NOT NOT! Windows is a pig. It's good for 
some things but I really don't need the headache of waiting for anything. 
Windows doesn't care if you have to wait. The thing I don't like about 
graphic based system operation is that I can type out 50 commands on my 
keyboard in the time it takes to dig my mouse out from underneath papers, 
and carefully try to point the thing exactly where I want it. Maybe in 
the future, but a Moasic conversion would do nothing exciting for me. I 
guess I could scratch my butt waiting for dull graphics to download but I 
think it's really over-rated. I guess it would be cool to have pictures 
of some things sometimes though, but things aren't quite up to snuff yet 
to get me excited about moasic one bit.  The fonts in DOS are a lot 
easier on my eyes too. I have yet to see a windows font and text display 
that didn't give me a headache after a while. I read and write extremely 
fast.  People who are excited by Moasic are the same guys who thought the 
messiah had arrived when they showed me the talking parrot program they 
got with their sound blaster. Moasic might be a good compliment for some 
folks, but I'd rather see other text based improvements first in internet 
stuff.  Moasic fans; all the power to you, but I'm not impressed. Just my 
humble opinon since I was asked.

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From: ???????????????????????????? (Dave Beedle)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994

In a recent message Steve Masticola wrote:
> And, we have an administrative issue to decide: whether to put the
> Digests under mosaic. Steve Beaty (see below) has volunteered to do
> so. Normally, I've kept the Digest back issues as a "members only"
> bonus, but maybe it's time to think of altering that policy. So far,
> my fears of attempts to hose the list just haven't materialized, so
> that's not a concern. What say you, members?

   I think it's a good idea!  I often thought about voluntering some ftp space
for digests and the other new user files that are sent out to new subscribers.
BTW, can I get another copy of those files?  The mailorder list and the like?

  Dave Beedle  - Unix Support Manager - ????????????????? -  Network Services
       http://www.ilstu.edu/~dbeedle/               Illinois State University
 "It is better to think of church in the ale-house than      136A Julian Hall
  to think of the ale-house in church." - Martin Luther     Normal, IL  61761

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: #2(2) Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994

Love the digest, but where are the cigar smokers. I am a cigar novice and
although I don't have any interesting anecdotes I'm sure you guys (and
gals??) can help me with some questions.
1.  What is the right humidity to store cigars to keep them fresh?
2. Is it necessary to keep the cigars at a certain temperature or in a
certain range of temps?  If so what temperatures?

sorry about forgetting to post my name when subscribing.
???????????????? (Dylan Burgess)

[ Briefly, 70% and 70F. But how about it, cigarfolk? -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Gerald Belton)
Subject: For pipes digest

> From: Ib Fagerlund <???????????????????>
> Subject: Tobacco types and blends
> Perique:
> Like Latakia, perique is a quite peculiar product. It is exclusively
> grown in a tiny region of the southern Louisiana near Mississippi.
> The production is small; less than 100000 kg per year, and the prize
> is high.

I really enjoyed Ib's article, and learned quite a lot about tobacco from
it.  I just have a very minor correction:  Perique is grown only in  St.
James Parish, Louisiana.  This is on the banks of the Mississippi River, not
near the state of Mississippi.

There was an article in the New Orleans Times-Picayune a while back about
the production of perique.  Most of the farmers who grow and cure perique
are quite old, and they are having a hard time getting any younger people
interested in growing tobacco.  The production of perique has declined in
recent years, and it may become impossible to find in the not-too-distant
future.  Let's hope that some tobacco growers manage to keep it alive.

Gerald Belton

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From: ??????????????????????????? (D. S. Patrick Popeck)
Subject: introduction

Hello, my name is Patrick Popeck and I am a new member of this
newsletter.  In the last issue I was confirmed;  I took the
name "Dottle" :)

I am 29 years of age, and I have smoked pipes for 16 years.  My

grandfather was a pipesmoker.  I have never smoked cigarettes
and I rarely smoke cigars.

Pipemakers that I prefer are: Peterson, Savanelli and a local
guy named Bob Story (local to Ohio, USA).  I like the poker
and Canadian pipe styles, but I do smoke some bents.  My
favorite pipes are a Sherlock Holmes' Original, a Mark Twain,
and a Savanelli poker.  The latter pipe is amazing as it burns
cool, looks great and sits flat for easy use;  this pipe is a
good friend.

A comment on Perique, noted in the last issue by Ib Fagerlund.
When I was in college, a Marine friend and I smoked full
bowls of 100% Perique.  We were rugged pipe guys (read idiots)
and we did not believe the lore about the tobacco.  After a
half-bowl, we were sweating profusely, and my skin got very
clammy.  When we finished, I got up, went to my dorm room
and slept for three hours.  Upon awakening, I felt sick 
and my back hurt!  Needless to say, we had a new-found
respect for that Louisiana tobacco.

I agree with many people in this group who expound on the 
spiritual aspect of pipesmoking.  I find that when I get
to smoke I can feel myself relax and focus.  Call it the
Zen of pipes, but I relish my smoking time each day.

Finally, I also like this ritual because it brings people
of all ages and classes together.  I've smoked with 
professors, construction workers, priests and janitors. I
always make it a point to say "hello" when I see a pipe
smoker and I have been beaten to the "howdy" by people who
have seen me smoking.

And yes, I have a full beard. :) (my smoking predates any
sort of beard, though.)

And I bid you goodnight!

[ Sure that the Perique wasn't the kind grown on Avery Island? :-) -S. ]

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From: Cort Odekirk <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994


Sorry this is so long in comming, life has been busy here, (isn't it
always), and I've just now gotten around to really going through the
digests.  So, without further procrastination, my intro.


Since everyone else has been so diligent about writing their introduction
bio, I thought I had better get around to doing mine.

I'm a 27 year old freshman advisor at Seattle University.  My hobby's
include weight training, reading (primarily sci/fi), and graphic design.  
So, game show introductions aside :), I've always had an avid fascination for
pipes and smoked one fairly regularly in college but allowed myself to be
peer pressured out of it when I left school.  (Pipe smoking is *not*
particularly appriciated amongst young, gay, bodybuilders), But always kept my
pipes and was sort of a "closet afficinado".

I've recently began to get back into pipes via a friend who smokes them
and cigars, but am still am wavering on the edge between my real enjoyment
of the pipes and that instinctive human need to "fit it". (Yeah, so I'm a
wimp).  Seattle's pipe smoking community seems to be a fairly small and
hidden one, anyone know of any pipe clubs in the area?

Anyhow, enough prattling on.  Hello to everyone on the list, its a great
celebration of a great art and I look forward to reading more.

Cort Odekirk

[ There are a few subscribers from Microsoft; any others in Seattle? -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Re: essential oils and pipe tobacco.

I just read in Cigar Aficionado Magazine that cigars dry out not only because
of the moisture ( water ) content of the cigar being wicked away, but also
because of oils that are dried up ( and can't be replaced. My question to all
who are in the know is:  1)   Does the same principle apply to pipe tobacco
and 2)   is there a way, when I am in the tobacco store and before I purchse
the pipe tobacco, to tell if it is too dry and if it has lost these "
essential " oils. 
Thanks  GideonH

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Long's pipe cleaners

[ This is in response to a posting to alt.smokers.pipes asking for a
mail-order source of Long's or Dill's pipe cleaners. -S. ]

   I happen to be partial to the 9" & 18" lengths of pipe cleaners.  Long is
the only manufacturer I've found.  Their address is:
 B.J. Long
466 Central Ave.
Rochester, NY  14605

  If they don't deal retail, they should be able to point you in the right

   If this fails, I get mine locally at:

Briar Rose
20700 S. Avalon Blvd.Suite 560
Carson, CA  90746
(800) 232 - 1323

 Smoke in peace 8-)


[ Thanks, Joel! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Gary Kahne)
Subject: Second try

Hi Steve,

I have just finished reading my second issue of Pipes Digest and
thoroughly enjoyed it.  Please keep them coming.  Thanks especially
for the resources you sent along with my first "Digest" #154.  It will
certainly come in handy when next I travel (previous searches for pipe
shops in foreign cities have always been something of a craps shoot.)
Perhaps in time I may be able to add a few as on occasion I have been
pleasantly surprised.  In your letter you asked that I pass on a bit
of information about myself and my pipe smoking preferences.  I first
started smoking a pipe at 14 and then stopped, picking it up again at
20.  My first pipe was a Peterson's .  When I resumed at age 20 I was
in my fourth year at McGill .  Despite living on a very meager
student's budget I bought the occasional pipe at a Montreal pipe shop
named Blatter Brothers.  In addition to carrying a wide range of
Petersons , BC and other brand name pipes that were entirely out of my
price range, they also had their own line of hand carved pipes .  On
special occasions (read , the day the student loans arrived) I would
indulge myself and buy one of the less expensive of these.  I have
smoked a pipe continuously since then , that is for the last 20 years.
My first tobacco was a MacBarens product , however in retrospect I do
remember occasionally smoking some English blends. (One that was
particularly pleasing as I remember back was a John ??? Ayelsbury
Special).  It came to pass that after my 12 years as a student at
McGill I finally was able to take a real vacation and at the time
decided to treat myself to a tin of Dunhill tobacco.  I did this with
the full understanding that such luxuries were only to be indulged in
when I was on vacation.  I probably smoked London mixture almost
exclusively for the next 7 or 8 years.  Then realizing how much I
liked their tobacco the next logical step was to try one of their
pipes (don't you agree?)  Today I have a collection of about a hundred
pipes and amongst my favorite 30 or 40 are about 15 Dunhills.  Others
include Barlings, Saesinis, Comoys, Perettis .... and also a few
"English Seconds" that I used to buy in Paul Coleman's shop on trips
to Burlington, Vermont.  At this same shop in the very early 1980's I
also bought 2 or 3 straight grained freehands which I later learned
were carved by E. Nachwalter when I visited his shop a few years ago
in Manchester, Vt.  My favorite types are straight grained and shanked
and I very much like Canadians and Bulldog shaped bowls (not
necessarily all together).  Before I add a few words concerning my
present tastes in tobacco I'd like to share my most memorable pipe
buying moment. This one falls under the heading of the one that didn't
get away.  Along with an interest in procuring (I didn't say
"collecting") pipes I also collect antiques, both furniture (which I
also make) and glassware and porcelain, particularly Art Deco.  I was
in an antique shop near my home (one that I visit frequently and whose
owner I had alerted to look for pipes esp. " the ones with the little
white dot on their stems" ) when I saw yet another example of the
ubiquitous "ugly humidor circa 1960".  I would have walked right by it
as I have so many times when I noticed , smiling at me (a little
poetic license) from the stem of one of the pipes adorning this
particularly cosmetically challenged pipe stand / humidor that very
same " little white dot" that I had previously told the shop owner I
would pay a good price for.  Noticing that the humidor and pipes on it
were marked $27.  (Canadian!)  I did what any smart smoker would do,
paid for it (no bargaining!) quickly and rushed out to the cat to
inspect my prize.  There sitting on the rack were 8 pipes....5 of
which were Dunhills (from the early to mid 1960's!!! ) . Before I sign
off I'll say a word about tobaccos as mentioned above.  I smoke a pipe
all day long at work.  My mainstay tobacco is a Dunhill mixture
blended for me by Hal , the tobacconist at Dunhill in Chicago.  Hal is
an exceptionally amicable and helpful fellow who will add and subtract
from subsequent tries in accordance with your feedback until it's just
right.  In my case, (#C6105) it is somewhere in the triangle formed by
London Mixture, 965, and Bengal slices at the apices only with a hint
of sweetness and an excellent aroma that is pleasing to most without
having to sacrifice body or flavor.  Other occasionals are virtually
any English mixture I have not yet tried (and I am sure there are many
many I haven't) and some Germains products, Margate and Penzance.  (If
any reader would like to try my mixture they can just give Hal a call
and ask for Gary Kahne's mixture. If you need further information or
would like to recommend a mixture please e-mail me at ?????????????
carleton.ca ).  Looking forward to reading further issues of the Pipes
Digest and other readers stories, legends, tales and tips.  Until then
sit back, relax, smoke and enjoy your pipe.......  Gary Kahne PS. Has
anyone out there seen any Balkan Sobranie #759 (black tin) or State
Express, London mixture lately?  PPS. I run a Bed & Breakfast in
Ottawa Canada where Pipe smokers are always welcome.  (This is not
meant as advertising as we rarely have room , merely as a resource).

[ Welcome, Gary! I've been looking for years for a pipe-friendly B&B.
Thanks for providing this welcome service! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????
Subject: Hi.

Hi, Steve.

My friends call me Oody.  I live in Vancouver, B. C. and suffer from a general 
lack of pipe companionship (except for my three closest friends).  I used to 
work as a weekend tobacconist at a local shop now long gone.  You would have 
like the Pipe Den.  It had a tasting bar; coffee; chess and cards and good 

I smoke both cigars (when I can afford it Cubans) and pipes.  I prefer strong 
English tobaccos because Aromatics are too wet.  As for pipes, I have about 35 
which are mostly firsts (ranging from Dunhills to a perfect Radice).  I have 
not bought many pipes as of late because I have been in school studying to 
become a teacher.  My wife is starting the program in a few days.  Money is a 
little tight.

Please send me the complete list for this group.  I want to share it with my 
non-net friendly pipe smoking friends.  Thank you and I look forward to 
hearing from you.


PS:  If you get some blank messages from me, I was having problems with my 
offline mail system.  In fact, I even entered this letter into alt.fan.holmes 
by accident.

??????????????????????????? (Ehud Yaniv)

[ Thanks, Oody! And, yes, I think I'd like the Pipe Den. -S. ]

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From: JOSEPH MAXIMILLIAN MURPHY <???????????????>
Subject: Store and blend recommendation

Well, once again I've been to the Delaware beaches, and I finally got the
address of that tobacconist I mentioned a year ago at this time. For the
resource guide: Greybeard's of London, 211 Rehoboth Ave., Rehoboth Beach, DE,
19971. Phone: (302)227-4972. (Are they in a chain, or just lost?) They're open
year-round and take mail and phone orders, claiming to process them the same
or next day. (I believe them; how much business can you get in a resort town
after Labor Day?) Looks like a good selection of pipe tobacco and cigars; the
pipe selection is OK. I picked up a straight-stemmed second for about $20; it
smokes pretty nice and has a  huge bowl, but I think I may be sticking to
curved stems and smaller bowls in the future. (My jaw can only take so much.)
For the house blends, I have tried only 2, but heartily recommend both. The
"Black Forest" blend is delicious; I think it's the perfect new smoker's
blend. It's sweet and smooth, "blended of 4 fire-cured grades with added
highlights of sweet Virginia" according to their catalog. What that means, I
don't know. I'd call it vaguely chocolatey. Anyway, my non-pipe smoking
friends like it for a puff or two. The "Cappuchino" blend is a great
transition, when you're ready for something a little more spicy. They call it
"a true dessert tobacco, rich in a coffee blend with a continental mocha
essence." That, to me, is even less helpful than the Black Forest description.
I find it very smooth, spicy but not harsh. I bet it will be good for training
my tastebuds to accept the more bitter blends. They also had the biggest
meerschaum pipe I've ever seen in my life. I don't know how big the actual bowl
was, but the whole thing was about as long as a violin, and the sculpture of
horses at the end was about as wide as the bottom of one. Very impressive; 
completely out of my price range.

I also picked up a crummy pipe lighter, and now I understand the negative
comments about them. This was one of the $3 jobs, with the nozzle set out from
the body of the lighter. I've gotten bigger and more consistent flames from
wood matches. Greybeard's does sell the nice metal ones; I just didn't feel
like spending the money. I still think they're a good investment, but the low
quality ones are out there.
-Joe Murphy           		   "Slimy--yet satisfying!"
???????????????           		-"The Lion King"

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From: Joachim Posegga <??????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994


  here is my opinion re Mosaic publication. It is not necessarily
  meant for being put on the digest. It's up to you.

Steve Masticola writes: 

> And, we have an administrative issue to decide: whether to put the
> Digests under mosaic. Steve Beaty (see below) has volunteered to do
> so. Normally, I've kept the Digest back issues as a "members only"
> bonus, but maybe it's time to think of altering that policy. So far,
> my fears of attempts to hose the list just haven't materialized, so
> that's not a concern. What say you, members?

I think it is a good idea: these days, we should be open to the public;
we have nothing to hide, so why not let them know?  It might help to
"stop prohibition", and it can hardly hurt (us). The worst case seems
that that militant non-smokers could bother us with stupid email
messages. Personally, I could live with this risk...

Here is a proposal for a procedure:

- give members some time to veto against making their
  contributions available to the public. These contributions could
  then be removed/anonymized. If many (whatever this means) should
  veto, then stop the whole procedure.

- Furthermore, I would propose to remove the names and email addresses
  in the "New members" section at the beginning. (Otherwise, potential
  misuse would be too easy).
(The above procedure is inherently unfair against former members who are
not on the list any more. I do not see a way to handle this.)


[ Interesting proposals, Joachim! Re the Mosaic proposals in general,
I'd say let's continue the discussion another week and try to reach
consensus. -S. ]

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(At a barbecue:) "I'm just doing this to keep bugs away. Guess it
isn't working." 

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  2. Subject: PIPES DIGEST #155 -- AUG
  3. Subject: PIPES DIGEST #155
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994
  5. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994
  7. Subject: Re: #2(2) Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994
  8. Subject: For pipes digest
  9. Subject: introduction
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994
  11. Subject: Re: essential oils and pipe tobacco.
  12. Subject: Long's pipe cleaners
  13. Subject: Second try
  14. Subject: Hi.
  15. Subject: Store and blend recommendation
  16. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #155 -- August 26, 1994
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