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Subject: Pipes Digest #86 - November 21, 1992

		 Pipes Digest #86 - November 21, 1992

Welcome to new members:

	Russ Wigglesworth	(Rad ??????????????????????????)
	Michael Biondo		(?????????????????????????)
	Cory L. Scott		(????????????????????????)

A big week for new faces! 

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From: Martin A. Lodahl <??????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #85 - November 14, 1992
In Pipes Digest #85, Victor Reijs offered some excellent suggestions
on cigars, asking:

> non from Cuba (is that not allowed in US?) and not from Holland!

Cuban cigars have been forbidden, alas, in the U.S.A. for some 30
years now.  They do find their way in, usually smuggled in from

> 	... Cubans and all other 'puros' lack
> something, they are quiet flat in there smell/flovour/taste. And furthermore
> I think they are quiet heavy. From most Cuban cigars I become sick :-( 

My experience exactly.  

> >I've discovered that my tastes do appear to have a
> >definition:  relatively short (6.5" or less), fat (48 ring or
> >greater) ...
> 	... What is the meaning of 48 ring???

Cigar makers use the same measure of the diameter of the cigar that
jewelers use for finger rings.  "48 ring" = 48/64 of an inch, or
3/4", or ~18mm.

> >preference for a Maduro wrapper.  
> This is difficult for me, I do not have any reference on this colours. I read
> about it in a book, but what the color is, I do not know. Do you have some
> colored flyer about cigar colors? If so let me know, I will forward my
> snail-mail address.

I don't have such a thing, but I have a description in words.  What
follows is what I've gathered from an article written by Lew
Rothmann in the summer catalog of the JR Tobacco Company:

*  Claro claro, claro, jade, Cambridge, Candela, American Market
Selection (AMS):  All these mean a light green wrapper, once favored
by the American market.

*  Claro, Natural, English Market Selection (EMS), Oxford Cafe,
English Claro, Rare Corojo, Spanish Claro:  A light brown wrapper. 
As you can see, imaginative marketing has led to more than a little

*  Colorado Claro, Natural, EMS, Oxford, Cafe, Spanish Claro,
Rosado:  Brown wrapper.

*  Colorado, Natural, EMS, Oxford, Cafe, Spanish Claro, Rosado:  The
next degree darker brown, presumably.

*  Colorado Maduro, EMS, Maduro:  Dark brown wrapper.

*  Maduro, Spanish Market Selection (SMS):  Nearly black wrapper.

*  Oscuro, Maduro Maduro, Extra Oscuro:  Absolutely black wrapper.

Which all goes to show that if you see a cigar in a catalog with
what's described as a "Natural wrapper", they haven't really told
you much that you can use.

And Steve Houser suggested:

> As regards Martin Lodahl's request for maduro cigar
> recommendations....  Arturo Fuentes makes a good maduro 
> Rothschilds in that size range, rather ostentatiously wrapped 
> in a slice of cedar wood.  La Unica also makes a (much cheaper)
> maduro in about that size.

I've never been disappointed in an Arturo Fuentes, though sometimes
surprised at the price.  I'll give the La Unica a try, too.

> If you're really into maduro cigars, I'd highly recommend
> Macanudo maduros and Royal Jamaica maduros.  I don't think they
> conform to your size & shape preferences, but they are excellent
> cigars.  They have the characteristic maduro flavor, but are
> milder than other maduros.  Kind of expensive, though.  I can
> only afford these once in a while.

My cigar club has bought both, and they are indeed fine cigars.
I'm not sure that we'll be buying more, though, as the rest of the
group seems headed in a double-claro to EMS sort of direction, while
I'm going more EMS to Maduro.

Thanks, all!

	- Martin

= Martin A. Lodahl   			Pacific*Bell Systems Analyst =
= ??????????????????????????       Sacramento, CA       916.972.4821 =
= If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, =
= Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!  8-)   =

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From: ???????????????????????????? (Norm Carpenter x3055)
Subject: Cigars and books

A book store which sells cigars in San Jose eh?  Where would I find such a
place?  Hmmmmm?  Do they also sell pipe tobacco?  I know of one place not
too far from here in Half Moon Bay (over the hill from San Jose) called
Bay Book and Tobacco.  They sell (are you ready for this) books and tobacco.
(Us Californians are pretty clever people).  Fun place to go.  Never heard
that San Jose had the same type of deal.  Please elaborate.

Pleasant smoking,


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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: books on cigars

Hello all of you,

Thanks Steve for your reference to Cigar Connoisseur'. Do you have
more information on this one (price, where to get it, etc.). I have
the idea that there are not many books on cigars (there are more in
The books I have are:
The book of the Havana cigar, B. Innes, 1983, Orbis Publishing,
London, ISBN 0-85613-546-1
Zigarren-Brevier oder Was raucht der Connaisseur, Z. Davidoff, 1991,
Mohndruck, Guetersloh, ISBN 3-7014-0751-7

(the real prices are not known, because I bought both at second hand

The last book is, I think, originaly in French, but perhaps there is
also an English version.

Both books handle Havana cigars, I never have found a book about
Brazil or Dutch cigars. I am thinking of trying to get together some
people in the Netherlands to print a book (in the style of present
wine quide books [incl. some 'touristic' info]).

If people know about others cigar books, please let me know (if possible
some indication of the price).

All the best,


[ Victor, all the information I have about the magazine is that the
name of the publisher is Marvin R. Shanken, who also publishes "Wine
Spectator." (There's an article about him, and "Cigar Connoisseur," in
the September 21 issue of _Newsweek_; that's how I found out.)  But if
you call up the information desk at your local library, they might be
able to help.  Please let us know if you find out, and thanks for the
book references! -S. ]

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From: "Rad Equipment" <??????????????????????????????????>
Subject: New Reader

Subject:  New Reader                            Time:7:30 AM     Date:11/19/92
Hello! As requested in the opening letter here's a brief explanation of myself
and why I am interested in the discussion here.

I am a 38 year old white male, born and raised in New Jersey but living in San
Francisco since 1980. I did a stint as a tobacconist while completing a degree
in History back in the late 70's. I worked for Wally Frank in their retail
store in Paramus, NJ. My involvement with pipes and cigars has dwindled since
then, especially after I became involved in judging homebrewed beers and needed
to preserve my palate. Nevertheless I have always appreciated the craft and
maintain my pipe collection, imbibing on the rare occasion. My tobacco of
choice is Rattrays Red Rap. I find it mixes well with a dram of Prime Malt in
the late evening.

I'm looking forward to conversing here.


      Russ Wigglesworth              CI$:      72300,61
|~~|  UCSF Medical Center            Internet: Rad ??????????????????????????
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[ Glad to have you with us, Russ! Smoke in peace, ~\U S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #86 - November 21, 1992
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #85 - November 14, 1992
  3. Subject: Cigars and books
  4. Subject: books on cigars
  5. Subject: New Reader
  6. Subject: New Reader Time:7:30 AM Date:11/19/92
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