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Subject: Pipes Digest #111 - September 17, 1993

		Pipes Digest #111 - September 17, 1993

Welcome to new members:

	Eric F. Wu		(??????????????????????????????????)
	Dave Delmar (?)		(?????????????????????)
	Howard Rosenberg	(?????????????????)
	Tyson F Nuss 		(???????????????????????)
	Duane Cook 		(?????????????????????????)

We're building toward the 100 mark... two more new members and we'll
make it there! (BTW, special to Bill Thacker -- I got something with a
wonderful-looking title from you, which turned out to be an old
Digest, all quoted. If there was something else you wanted to send me,
please try again! We're all looking forward to it with bluish breath! :-)

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From: "Don S. Johnson" <???????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest #110 - September 10, 1993

Re Sixto Gonzalez' request for cigar resources, don't forget JR's in Salem
NC (1800-jr-cigar) which bills itself as the world's largest cigar retailer
(and from my experience, one of the cheapest as they supply my Macunudo
Portofinos at about $16/box under local cost).

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From: "Marios H. Agrotes" <???????????????????????>
Subject:      Arturo Fuente Hemingway Signatures

In response to the inquiry from a list member for a source of
Arturo Fuente Hemingway Signatures, I wanted to mention that I
have bought boxes of that (excellent) cigar, from JR Cigar in
Selma, NC.
The price is excellent too (only $54 for a box of 25).
One can call them to order or request a catalog at 1-800-JR-CIGAR.

Hope this helps,

Smoke in peace,

Marios H. Agrotes

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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: vinatage year on cigars

Hello Colin,

I never smoked a vintage year cigar (is perhaps expensive and not
available in Holland), but according to the Cigar Aficionado articles
there seem to be cigars with a year on it (called vintage cigars, like
for vintage wines).

I certainly can imagine that these things are around and that they
will certainly have different tastes over the years. It is a product
of nature and the sun, water, wind, see, etc. have influence on it.

But perhaps somebody has the oppertunity of smoking such a cigar? Let
us know the results.

Beside this reaction, perhaps we could place an article in Cigar
Aficionado to get even more new memebers. I will think on this and try
to put something on the list, but perhaps a real American writing
person can do the job better;-)

All the best,


[ Not sure about that last assertion, Victor, but we could give it a
shot! I'm sure they'd be interested.  -S. ]

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From: Duane Cook <?????????????????????????>
Subject: brie profile new member

thanks for your prompt response to my request to join the group. i have
been smoking a pipe for about 15 years after having smoked cigarettes for
many years before. at the present time, i smoke "brigham" pipes made here
in canada. my favourite tobacco is amphora brown and occassionally i use
the red, blue and green. one of our problems in canada is the price of
tobacco. with all the taxes we have to pay, a 10 oz can of amphora that
can be purchased at the duty free store at the border in buffalo or
detroit, costs about $10.00 us will cost about $70.00 canadian. as you can
see, i try to pick one up whenever i'm in the usa. well, thats all for
now. i think i need a smoke.

[ Don't blame you a bit for buying the Amphora on this side of the
border, Duane! My apologies for thinking you were a novice, and thanks
for your interest. -S. ]

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From: "Hynek Med"  <?????????????????>
Subject:      Two myths about tobacco

This appeared in a J.R.R.Tolkien mailing list; hoping you might find it of
interest, I'm sending it (with permission of the author) here.


From:         Charles Huttar <??????????????????>
Subject:      tobacco

This has to do with an earlier fantasist (?), Sir John Beaumont
(1583?-1627), who as an obviously gifted youth produced in 1602 a
mock-Ovidian poem of 1056 lines, "The Metamorphosis of Tabacco".  Earlier
English Ovidiuan writers (they were quite in vogue as John was growing up)
had tended to rewrite myths found in Ovid and to be quite serious,
sometimes moralizing (I can hear you shuddering).  Beaumont was playful,
satiric, ironic--and he concocted his own myth.  Two of them in fact. Which
of the gods, he asks, was so "bounteous to the humane race" as to create
tobacco ? (This was while Elizabeth still reigned and a couple of years
before the new king, James published his "A Counter-blaste to Tobacco"; thus
praising tobacco was still politically correct.)  Beaumont is saddled, of
course, with the historical fact that tobacco was only recently introduced
into Europe (where many seriously promoted it as a medical panacea), but
that doesn't stop him from incorporating it in narratives of much more
ancient times.

FIRST MYTH: Prometheus was caught stealing fire and punished, but to avenge
him, Earth brings forth an herb that makes the theft of fire worthwhile.
This takes place in Atlantis (which for Beaumont = America).  But Jove,
still angry, hides it from Europe.  The Graces, in their travels, happen
across it and refuse ever to go back to so-called civilization; Europeans,
desperate to recover Grace, eventually discover America.

SECOND MYTH: There is a beautiful nymph in Virginia whom Jove sees and
falls in love with; Juno finds out and transforms her into a plant, but Jove
endows this plant with healing and pleasure-giving virtues, and this is the
beginning of "the famous golden age"!  Then Proserpina destroys it, and the
world rapidly becomes more and more corrupt.  Finally Aesculapius reveals
tobacco "to our new golden age" (a typical Elizabethan theme) and invents a
smoking pipe.


BTW, C.Huttar's article on Sir John Beaumont appeared in full in the

Hynek Med, ???????????

[ Thanks for passing this along, Hynek! -S. ]

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From: Martin A. Lodahl <??????????????????????????>
Subject: On the Group Front

In Pipes Digest #110, Neil Flatter reacted to an enigmatic remark I'd
made in Pipes Digest #109:

> >     ....  As I learned in the
> >case of Homebrew Digest, wider circulation is a mixed blessing, at
> >best.
> As I see it, a newsgroup's accessability is a huge advantage.  Many
> people subscribe to Homebrew Digest and/or read rec.crafts.brewing
> before that actually make the investment to start brewing on their
> own.  This gives them security in knowning that good advice is close
> at hand.

It's a question of the balance between the number of those benefitted,
and the extent of the benefit.  For much of its history, HBD was a
mailgroup with a superb signal:noise ratio.  Its members were mutually
supportive, its discussions had a distinctly civilized and adult tone
to them, "flaming" was altogether unknown.  Its excellence, often
cited by its delighted readers, attracted more and more subscribers.
"Critical mass" was reached in the autumn of '91.  One new subscriber
proved to be a dyed-in-the-wool flame-monger, the boorishness of his
discourse exceeded only by the unsoundness of his opinions.  This
appeared to be a signal to many others who had been on their best
behavior, conforming to the group norm, and the value of the discussion
crumbled rapidly.  Many of the most valuable contributors of years
past either read but don't post, or have left altogether, feeling
they have better things to do with their time than defend themselves
from aggressive swine.  This could just as easily happen to us.  Bigger
is by no means always better.

On another subject altogether, I must say I've been pleasantly surprised
by the discussions so far concerning the possible new newsgroups.  The
anticipated flamefest hasn't materialized, and even the handful of folks
who seemed to look for any specious argument they could club us with,
seems to have calmed down.  The potential for a "rec.connoisseur.*"
hierarchy seems promising.  Onward!

= Martin A. Lodahl   			Pacific*Bell Systems Analyst =
= ???????????????????          Sacramento, CA           916.972.4821 =
= If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, =
= Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!  8-)   =

[ Well, so far no flame-mongers here, Martin, except those who are
providing matches and butane. I also think that the discussion on
news.groups has been going quite well. Upward! -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #111 - September 17, 1993
  2. Subject: Pipes Digest #110 - September 10, 1993
  3. Subject: Arturo Fuente Hemingway Signatures
  4. Subject: vinatage year on cigars
  5. Subject: brie profile new member
  6. Subject: Two myths about tobacco
  7. Subject: tobacco
  8. Subject: On the Group Front
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