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Subject: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993

		 Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993

Welcome to new members:

	Andrew Hill		(??????????????????????????)
	Eric McKinney		(?????????????)
	John Barr		(?????????????)
	John Drollette		(????????????????????????????)
	Martin A Miller		(?????????????????????????)
	John Phipps		(?????????????????????)
	Matthew B. Landry	(?????????????????????????????????)
	Marc A Dashevsky	(??????????????????)
	Martin Golding		(???????????????????????)
	Aryk Nusbacher		(?????????????????????????)
	Tom Doak		(?????????????????????????????)
	Jeff Pitblado		(?????????????????????)
	Henry Lai		(????????????)
	Michael G Sewchok	(??????????????????????????????????)
	Dave Smythe		(??????????????????)
	Robert Jay		(???????????????????????????)
	Christopher Troise	(?????????????????)
	Jan Thorva		(????????????????????????)
	Klaus Desinge		(???????????????????????)
	Brian Zimmerman		(???????????????????)
	Pedro Vasco		(????????????????????)
	Bill Cramer		(????????????????????????????)
	Neil Johnson		(??????????????????)
	Thorsten Kramp		(??????????????????????????)
	Vic Vaivads		(??????????????????????)
	Stephan Zielinski	(?????????????????????????????)
	Joseph Tucker		(??????????????????????????)
	Lawrence Press		(???????????)
	Vit Vadura		(????????????????????????)
	Kalman Torok		(???????????????????????)
	Scottie			(????????????????????)
	Christopher M. Conway	(??????????????????)

A lot of membership activity this week! Welcome, all! I took the
liberty of mailing to all the people who'd voted "Yes" for
rec.tobacco, but who weren't already members of the mailgroup. And
therein lies the Tale of the Compunerd.

When I do mass mailings, I usually use a blind carbon copy. Well, this
time, the mailer here hung, and retried every hour to send the
invitation to someone. And every time it retried, it sent not to just
that Special Someone, but to a lot of other people... had people on
two continents mad. Ah, nothing like coming in in the morning to face
an intercontinental technodiplomatic crisis...

Well, that's over, and I'm sorry for deluging the unfortunate people
on the list with mail. If you're having any problems, please let me
know. BTW, I'm converting from a BCC to individual mailings per
person. Lots less potential for horrible disaster... :-)

In any case, light one up, kick back, and enjoy! -S.

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From: Colin Crist <???????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993


Ah well, we failed !

Thanks to you (and if you pop this in the next digest) to all who had
a hand in the attempt to for the smoking newsgroup. The closeness of
the vote shows that we are doing something right !

Anyway, now that all this discussion and campaigning is over I think
I shall have my last Nat Sherman Carpe Diem tonight and perhaps
a glass (or maybe two ;-) of port. I suppose the best thing that has 
come out of all this is that the pipes newsgroup has lots more members!

Thanks again !


(PS - I am moving from BT soon as I have a new contract back in London
so if any mail bounces is a few weeks then I've moved and I'll 
email you with my new address as soon as possible)

[ Path changed, Colin... and we didn't exactly fail, in a larger
sense. The Mailgroup increased its size by about 60% as a result of
the newsgroup proposal. Hope you enjoyed the cigar. -S. ]

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From: "Zweng, Thomas" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Tobacco tax increases

Hello everybody-

My name is Tom Zweng.  I just signed on to the Pipes Digest this past issue.

I smoke cigars, but I enjoy reading about pipes/tobacco as well.

I came across an interesting article in the NY Times Newspaper from Saturday, 
Oct 30th.

It discussed the proposed tax increases on both cigar and pipe tobacco that the 
Clinton administration is suggesting.

Presently, the Federal "large cigar" tax is 3 cents.  That will increase to 12 
cents a cigar.  The Fed pipe tobacco tax will increase 1,852% for a total of 
$13/lb!!!  The article didn't mention the present pipe tobacco tax, but those 
of you with a good math base will be able to figure it out from the numbers I 
just gave you.

The article goes on to talk about other issues related to cigar smokers and 
includes a short interview with Lew Rothman, president of  J.R. Rothman, the 
nation's largest cigar catalog dealer.  According to Rothman, our Prez smokes 
Arturo Fuente 19-12s.  He has a box shipped every 4-5 weeks.  To quote Mr 
Rothman: "Somebody else pays, or his wife gets mad."  No surprisde there!!!

I'm glad to be aboard- I've enjoyed what I have read so far.

[ $13/lb?!?!?! Addresses of Congresscritters are available upon
request. Grrrr! -S. ]

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From: Todd
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993


All cigar smokers on the mailing list should read an article in the
Saturday, Oct. 30, New York Times on taxes and cigars.  It was really a
chance to get some great cigar stuff in there, while the tax stuff
convinced the editors to run it. :)

<drum roll please>  Here are the brands President Clinton likes: Arturo
Fuente 19-12s ($1.75 each) and Trafalgar 4 ($5 each).  The latter being
too expensive for me, has anyone tried the former?

And, BTW, George Burns smokes El Productos, which he gets for free,
because he's on stage, talking most of the time, his agent says.  "A good
cigar, you have to keep smoking it so it doesn't go out," he says.  "Cheap
cigars keep burning."

Ah, the wisdom one must accumulate by 97...


[ If anyone saved the article, I'd much appreciate a hardcopy. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: PD FAQ

"Zweng, Thomas" <?????????????????????> writes:

> Are there any FAQs for Pipes Digest?  What is in/out of bounds as far
> as this group?
> [ Sorry, Zoltan, there's no formal FAQ, though we do have a Resource
> Guide and a "How-to" guide for the beginning pipe smoker. Does anyone
> feel energetic enough to help get a full FAQ together? -S. ] 

Sure, here's a start:


			Revised 11-2-93


1. Are there any FAQs for Pipes Digest?  

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Bill Thacker             AT&T Network Systems       attmail!att!cbemf!wbt
(614) 860-5294  	 Columbus, Ohio              ?????????????????
                      Humpty Dumpty was pushed!

[ And so was your moderator! :-)  Is this one of those, "This sentence
is false" deals? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????????????????????

Hi everyone.

Here's a little bit about me.  I'm a 23 year old electrical engineering
student (fourth year at Waterloo).  I've loved the smell of a pipe being
smoked for as long as I can remember.  I tried smoking a pipe when I was
16 and liked it, but wondered where I could enjoy such a "mature" habit as
a highschool student.  I haven't really smoked a pipe since then but am
interested in starting up again.  I think I've seen one other person on
campus smoking a pipe at one of the bars.  Are there any younger pipe
smokers out there?

Steve, could you send me the "How-to" guide and a few (10) back issues
of the digest?



[ Sent, I hope... -- and welcome! -S. ]

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From: "Andrew Hill"                               <??????????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Smokin'

Hi Paul, and everyone!  Thank yoiu for responding so quickly to my request.  I
have enjoyed smoking pipes casually for a few years now, and I wanted to connect
with  other pipe smokers.  I am a college student at    Loyola of Chicago, and I
am interested in discussing differrent sorts oftobaccos, and pipes, as I am
fairly new to the subject.  I have been smoking pipes for about three   ars now.
years now.  I am particularly interested in different sorts of blends in
tobaccos, and being able to decide what I would best enjoy.

          Thanks!  @:`)

     Andrew Hill:   ??????????????????????????

[ .S- !emoclew dnA .lauP deirub I .daed si lauP ]

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From: "Matthew B. Landry" <????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Thanks for the "endorsement"

>However, those of you who can receive it should check out alt.smokers.
>Although it's an unmoderated group with low distribution, there are
>still discussions of a fine-tobacco nature to be joined. I'll be
>posting a call for participation in the Pipes Mailgroup there every
>month or so.
        As the creator of alt.smokers, I'd like to thank you for encouraging 
your readers to read (and also hopefully to contribute to) the group. I have 
been disappointed at the amount of flame traffic going on lately (although I 
should have known this would happen), and have even been thinking of closing it 
down if things do not improve. But now that I've seen this measure of support 
from you, I will keep it open. I look forward to seeing posts from your readers 
which will help to cut through the flame curtain.

        This is intended as a personal message to the moderator, but if you 
feel it would be appropriate, feel free to include it in the digest.
Matthew B. Landry
(Finally!) ????????????????????????????????

[ Well, I'm slowly assembling a kill file for alt.smokers; anyone who
exhibits tendencies toward smoker bashing qualifies. I guess there's
about 50% legitimate interest and 50% flamage. Hopefully, some of our
Hardy Perennials can help remedy that situation... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????? (Neil Johnson)
Subject: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup

Yes, please add me to the Pipes Mailgroup.

Does anyone else out there smoke "home grown"? I grow White Burley
from seeds I ordered from Gurneys Seed Company. My tobacco is totally
organic. I wounder why the big tobacco companies don't offer organic.
Does anyone else out there have any seeds for other tobacco varieties?

[ Don't know about homegrown, but you might try the "American Spirit"
folks. Bill Thacker, the inventor of the Feckless FAQ, did contribute
a longish series on growing your own. Not for the fainthearted... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????? (Dave Smythe)
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup

> Downtown Tobacco & News			(Books and cigars)
> 70 East Santa Clara St
> San Jose, CA 95113
> (408) 295-2277

With the present hysteria about the tobacco "epidemic" sweeping the
world today, good smokeshops are getting *real* scarce out here.  I
called here and it no longer exists.  I tried to go find it, but it's


[ Too bad! I'll update the Resource Guide RSN... -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Charles Myers)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993

        I have a question for the membership...Even though I've been smoking
        and collecting pipes for twenty years I have'nt figured out a 
        satisfactory way to clean and polish mouthpieces.  I have tried
        Dunhill mouthpiece polish and often it means I have shiny but still 
        discolored stems.  I was thinking about trying siome automotive type
        rubbing compound.  I would appreciate any suggestions or advice.
        ????????????????????????? 717 291-3843  Thanks

[ Any thoughts on this? -S. ]

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From: Martin A Miller <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Intro..


Another new subscriber!  Glad to be here..

A quick rundown on who I am..the computer sys admin at a small
manufacturing firm in one of Milwaukee's northwestern suburbs;
previously a programmer/consultant at the University of Wisconsin-

I quit smoking cigarettes around 6 years ago and I'm glad I did.
Since then I have an occasional cigar, usually something *real*
cheap.  I dabbled a bit in smoking a pipe, but at the time, never
had much peace of mind at home to spend the time to do it right
(I'm divorced now, thank goodness :) ).  Also tried the "pinch
between cheek and gum" approach to using tobacco - but it gave 
me nasty hiccups. 

This past June I spent two weeks vacationing in the Florida Keys,
and while visiting Key West stumbled (literally) into the Key
West Cigar Factory.  What the hell, I'll buy a couple..well,
they were so fresh and such a joy to smoke that I bought a few
more, asking for "the freshest, longest and fattest you have my 

I settled into a 1 cigar-a-day pattern and started reading CA (I'm
a wine collector so I was already curious from reading about CA
in the Wine Spectator).  There are a couple of places in Milwaukee
which have a good selection of cigars.  Unfortunately, they're a
long way from where I live (across town).  It turns out that one
of the tobacconists, Uhle's, distribute to grocery and drug
stores, of which, one is 5 minutes from my home so I'm able to find
nearly everything I need there.  

But when I happen to be on the east side of town, I always stop in at 
Edward's, a very nice shop (mentioned previously in Digest #110 or #111) 
since they stock Fuente Hemingways which my nearby drug store does not.

My favorite cigars?

Fuente is the producer that I've been most impressed with for being
consistently good and reasonably priced.  I've tried quite a number
of different styles and have enjoyed them all.  Their 8-5-8 is my
usual day-to-day cigar with the larger Hemingway being my favorite
cigar, hands-down. 

I like Hoya de Monterey Excalibers, and Ashton Churchills are always a
delight.  Partegas are pretty good, but I've had a couple that were
nasty.  Macanudo (sp?) are ok, but I've had a few where the draw was
tough as nails.  Dunno if my snipping technique is flawed or the cigar
was wound up too tight.  An 8 1/2" Punch Churchill is a great wake-me-
upper - what a blast.

Recently, I've been trying H. Uppman's and have been favorably impressed.
Also waiting anxiously for the 12 Churchills that are being shipped
to me.  In the September 20 (or thereabouts) issue of the Wine Spectator,
H. Uppman had what sounded like a great promotional offer: 12 Churchills
in a nice case for $10.  Well, they've cashed the check according to my
bank statement, so they should be here any day now - heh, heh, heh. 

Have never had the opportunity to try Cohibas, Cuban Uppman's, 
Montechristo's, or any of the other Cuban cigars.  It's not keeping
me up nights, so...

Ok, I guess I've droned on enough.  




Martin A. Miller
Bon Vivant-At-Large
Internet: ?????????????????????????
Bitnet  : ??????????????????????????????????
UUCP    : ???????????????????????????????

[ Welcome, and pardon my deluge... -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup

Hi everyone!

I'm lucky enough to live near a fine tobacco shop in State College, PA
called Tobacco Tavern.  They cook up some very fine flavors here, let me
tell you!  Also available is a large selection of pipes.  Cigars and fine
cigarettes are also sold.  In the 10 or so years since I've been smoking a
pipe, my favorite it my Jefapip with my Hilson Fantasia coming in close
behind.  I think the two are totally different because the Jefapip is French
and Briar; it's fairly light to hold with the teeth, too.  The Hilson, on
the other hand, is meerschaum lined and very heavy.  Too heavy for the
teeth!  So it sits on my desk a lot.

My favorite tabacs are Tobacco Tavern's Blackberry Brandy (!), Vanilla,
Smoker's Delight, Olde Cherry, and Sugar and Spice.  Call or write Tobacco
Tavern; they mail stuff out daily, I think.  814-237-8252 or 256 Calder Way,
State College, PA 16801.

May your lighter always work,


[ Thanks for the notes about Tobacco Tavern. Sounds like a must-see!
-S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re:  Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup

Hello, Steve, thanks for putting me on the mailing list.  I've been
smoking pipes for about twelve years, and I've been smoking the odd
cigar since I joined the army (troops apparently don't take kindly
to officers who smoke pipes -- they think it's stuck-up, so the pipe
smokers in the mess smoke cigarettes or cigars around the troops).
Because tobacco taxes are so high in Canada (over 50%) I buy most
of my tobacco products in the States or in duty-free, which is why
I talk about buying stuff in so many different places.  The shops
I refer to are all about one day's drive from the border along
various major interstate highways.
	For starters, why not take a few minutes and tell us
	about yourself by return mail? We'd like to hear about your
	preferences in 


Right now, I'm chewing on a graceful little hook made by Connaisseur
in New York.  Beautiful briar, great shape, draws poorly.  My two 
favourites are a Canadian made by Charatan, and a hook by Ben Wade.
I also have, somewhere, a late '60's Dunhill, very slender and unlike
their later stuff, that I slide into my hosetop right beside my
sgian dubh for formal Scottish events.

I do a lot of historical re-creation, and I smoke clays there.  My
favourite was bought at Plimoth Plantation; but it went the way of
all clays.  I still have the pieces somewhere...


I'm an English fan.  I smoke Balkan Sobranie by preference, Dunhill's
standard mild as well.  I can also reccommend Scott Ziegler of 
Kalamazoo Michigan, who makes a Sobranie knockoff called Balkan Shag,
which isn't shag, but is very nice.  Right now I am working on a kilo
of medium English I bought at Tobaccoland in Mill Creek Mall, Erie,
Pennsylvania, two years ago and lost.  I found it a couple of months
ago, still in ziplocs and only a little bit dried out.  A bit of 
water from a spray bottle, and it's nearly good as new.  

Recently, while making a connection through Copenhagen airport (which
has a great Peterman shop) a stunning young lady sold me a tin of 
Danish stuff (which I hate), but ... well ... she was just so pretty.
And she gave me a nice little Tokai pipe lighter and a pipe tool;
so I can recommend Denmark highly for one thing.


I mentioned Ziegler's in Kalamazoo, and Tobaccoland in Erie.  There's
also Briar Route in Rochester (Marketplace Mall), which has sadly 
gone way downhill; and my favourite of all time, Continental on 
Murray Ave. in Pittsburgh.  Ivan, the owner, is very good at blending
his own knockoffs of name brands, and customising them to individual
customers.  I owe him some Cuban cigars next time I'm down there.
In Toronto there's Havana House, which is great for cigars, but no
longer very good for pipe tobacco or pipes; and Winston and Holmes,
which is too expensive.

If you ever have time and money, the basement of the Royal York Hotel
in Toronto is home to Julius Vesz, who makes gorgeous pipes.  His
address there is 100 Front St. W., Toronto.


Aryk Nusbacher

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From: Steve Masticola (????????????????????????)
Subject: A quick administrativon, or the Rename the Pipes Mailgroup Contest

Guys, there seems to be a lot of cigar activity on the newsgroup these
days. Perhaps it's time for a name change? If you have an opinion,
and/or an idea for a new name, please let us know! In the meantime,
may your matches always be dry and may your mailer never bite you.

					Smoke in peace,
					~\U Steve.

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993
  3. Subject: Tobacco tax increases
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993
  5. Subject: PD FAQ
  6. Subject: Smokin'
  7. Subject: Thanks for the "endorsement"
  8. Subject: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup
  9. Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993
  11. Subject: Intro..
  12. Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup
  13. Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup
  14. Subject: A quick administrativon, or the Rename the Pipes Mailgroup Contest
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