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Subject: Pipes Digest #117 - November 15, 1993

		Pipes Digest #117 - November 15, 1993

Welcome to new members:

	Ron Nadel		(???????????????????????)
	Jon Baker		(???????????????)
	wilbur brent williams	(???????????????????????????????)
	Carl Winslow 		(????????????????????????????)
	"emjay2"		(??????????????)
	Herman Schugard 	(??????????????????????)

A lot of new member intros this time, and some discussion on stem
cleaning and the proposed name change. Enjoy!

And, also, I've changed the one-paragraph writeup that gets posted to
news.groups. Here's the new one. Comments appreciated! -S.

		       Internet Pipes Mailgroup

"The Pipes Mailgroup provides a forum for discussing the moderate use
and appreciation of fine tobacco, including cigars, pipes, quality
cigarettes, pipe making and carving, snuff, collectible tobacciana,
publications, and related topics. The mailgroup is lightly moderated
to prevent flame (except for the purpose of lighting up. :-)"

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From: ????????????????????????????????????? (Martin Lodahl)
Subject: Change The Name?  Mais, Non!

In Pipes Digest #116, Our Esteemed (and Esmoked) Moderator asked us:

> Guys, there seems to be a lot of cigar activity on the newsgroup these
> days. Perhaps it's time for a name change? If you have an opinion,
> and/or an idea for a new name, please let us know! In the meantime,
> may your matches always be dry and may your mailer never bite you.

As one of the first to post cigar-related material to this list, I
must say, I don't see the need.  Unlike some fora I could name,
no one here as ever made me feel unwelcome for being so eccentric
as to actually prefer cigars.  While the name doesn't explicitly
say so, the ambience here is definitely tolerant and accepting,
and new subscribers never seem to be long in seeing that the subject
is really fine tobaccos, whatever the form.

	- Martin

= Martin Lodahl		Systems Analyst, Capacity Planning, Pacific*Bell =
= ???????????????????      Sacramento, CA USA	            916.972.4821 =
=    If it's good for ancient Druids runnin' nekkid through the wuids,   =
=  Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me!  (Unk.)   =

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From: Gregory Pease <????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993 

Steve and Charles:

>From: ????????????????????????? (Charles Myers)
>Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #115 - November 1, 1993
>        I have a question for the membership...Even though I've been smoking
>        and collecting pipes for twenty years I have'nt figured out a 
>        satisfactory way to clean and polish mouthpieces.  I have tried
>        Dunhill mouthpiece polish and often it means I have shiny but still 
>        discolored stems.  I was thinking about trying siome automotive type
>        rubbing compound.  I would appreciate any suggestions or advice.
>        ????????????????????????? 717 291-3843  Thanks
>[ Any thoughts on this? -S. ]

Vulcanite (hard rubber) mouthpieces discolour from of the sulpher,
used as an anti-oxidant, leaching to the surface.  It is possible to
polish it off, using successively finer buffing compounds and a good,
soft buffing wheel, but the potential for rounding off the sharp edges
is great.  Better is to use 400 and 600 grit wet-or-dry paper to get 
the stem clean, taking off as little material as necessary, and then 
use the wheel for final buffing, being cautious not to damage the edges.

For the past couple of years, I have been using household bleach for this 
task.  This is only advisable on some stems, as dicussed later.  The bleach 
restores the colour, but leaves the surface quite rouch, so requiring 
polishing.  Again, a wheel with very fine compound is the best tool.  
(I don't have the patience to use the Dunhill mouthpiece polish for this!)

Dunhill stems respond very well to the bleach, as do many old stems.  I
have found, howver, that Saseini dots tend to dissolve, and the cement
which adheres GBD and (old) BBB logos will not stand the test of bleach,
and the older Comoy "C", which is actually made from white and black rod-
stock, doesn't take kindly to the process, either.  Obviously, painted 
logos and insigniae (later Comoy, Charatan, Stanwell, &c) should be kept
away from the bleach.  For all stems apart from Dunhill, I simply stand 
them upright in the bleach with the logo out of harm's (bleach's ;) way!
Overnight, they turn dull black and are ready for the final polish.  THe
bleach also has the advantage of removing any built up residues inside the

The best treatment is prevention.  Keep your pipes out of the light as
much as possible, and use a good polish, like the Dunhill, frequently.
If your body chemistry is particularly acidic, you'll have to try to 
keep the mouthpieces dry as well.  I find that making a good stem rubdown
with a paper towel part of my apre' smoke cleaning ritual, I can, for the
most part, avoid the oxidation before it becomes problem.  


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From: ???????????????????????????? (Norm Carpenter x3055)
Subject: Stem Cleaning

 have a question for the membership...Even though I've been smoking
        and collecting pipes for twenty years I have'nt figured out a
        satisfactory way to clean and polish mouthpieces.  I have tried
        Dunhill mouthpiece polish and often it means I have shiny but still
        discolored stems.  I was thinking about trying siome automotive type
        rubbing compound.  I would appreciate any suggestions or advice.
        ????????????????????????? 717 291-3843  Thanks

[ Any thoughts on this? -S. ]

I've seen Pipe shops take a cloth wheel and go at the stem with (i think)
jeweler's rouge.


[ I've done this too, followed by carnauba wax. See the other
postings. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????????? (Norm Carpenter x3055)
Subject: Name Change

Guys, there seems to be a lot of cigar activity on the newsgroup these
days. Perhaps it's time for a name change? If you have an opinion,
and/or an idea for a new name, please let us know! In the meantime,
may your matches always be dry and may your mailer never bite you.

                                        Smoke in peace,
                                        ~\U Steve.

No!  traditionally speaking of course.  Cigars are welcome
(in fact,  the discussions have prompted me now to pick up
a cigar or 6 when I buy my shag,)  but with all the cigar
talk,  the only thing Bill Thacker can get in is a little
bit about the PIPES faq.


[ Bill, fair warning, this may be bait... -S. ]

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From: Todd
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993

Hi, Steve:

Why not call it the Pipes and Cigars Digest?

Also, I have two questions:

-- Does anyone know if the United States is the only nation with a ban on
Cuban cigars?  I understand you can legally buy them in Canada.  Is it
then illegal to bring them back into the U.S.?  Is it illegal for a
Canadian business to send Cuban cigars to individuals in the U.S.?

-- Could the gentleman who mentioned the $10 offer for Churchills give
us the address and other details so we can take advantage of this?  :)


[ Well, I've seen Cuban cigars in Canadian duty-free shops, so someone
must _want_ you to bring them back... Also, re the name change, I
think I'm going to just be content with the change to the writeup, for
now. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????????????? (Henry Lai)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993

Hi Steve. 

Let me introduce myself. My name is Henry Lai and despite my
email address, I live in Montreal, not San Diego. I am basically
a cigarette smoker but I occassionally indulge in cigars. I have
never tried a pipe, though my father and grandfather both used to
smoke pipes so I've very accustomed to the aroma. I'm not a connisseur
of cigars and know very little about them except what I like. The ones
I like most were made by Uppman, though I don't recall what the exact
cigar was. I had a Davidoff cigar about ten years ago that I really
enjoyed (...and enjoyed, it lasted quite a while). Again, I don't recall what
cigar, except that it was very long, about 10-12" (perhaps called the
"Imperial" or something like that???).

I get the impression that cigarette smoking is somewhat of a taboo subject
here and a no-no for pipe afficiandos.
Henry Lai

[ Welcome, Henry! Postings on cigarettes are welcome. The only thing I
exclude is antismoking flame. -S. ]

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From: Robert Jay <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup

Steve- I would love to have whatever back issues of the pipe digest you
can forward- yes, all of them if possible!

Now, my self-introduction ( I assume that you are cutting and pasting on
this for the digest.)

I'm delighted to join the list, which I would never have found out about had
it not been for the ill-fated attempt to establish the new tobacco list on
usenet.  I started out as a pipe smoker, although in recent years I have
tended to smoke cigars more than pipes.  I would never give up any of my
little wooden prizes, however.  I'm sure that others on the list share my
consternation about the impending enormous tax hikes.  My advice is stock
up now- under the right conditions, both smoking tobacco and cigars will
keep for a long time.

Personal preferences- for pipe tobacco, blends that either play down or
avoid the strong latakias, and NO fruit flavored syrupy additives thank
you!  The McClelland blends are about the best packaged blends I have
found produced in this country.

As for cigars, I have tried most everything except for some of the rare
pre-revolution cubans allegedly squirreled away by the greatest of
afficianados.  From my purchases in Europe, I must contend that
even present day cuban brands are superior to anything else, even if they
are sometimes rolled miserably.  Personally, I would put a large Cuban
Montecristo up against anything.  Since we can't get them in the U.S., I
would suggest that fanciers consider the product coming out of the Canary
Islands.  Sure, it is terribly uneven, but overall these cigars have
gotten a bad rap.  They are somewhat tame for inveterate cuban or honduras
fans, but have a subtlety lacking in most brands available in the U.S. 
The Dunhills produced in the Canary Islands (If you can find them) are

[ Did I forward the back issues? I forget now... welcome, anyway! -S. ] 

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From: Neil Flatter <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Cheap pipe kits

American Science & Surplus is selling Carve Your Own Pipe Kits
(#10635) in their October 1993 catalog for $4.75 each.  We have
purchased kits from them before, and they are of moderate quality.
The kit includes a block of Corsican briar 1.5" x 1.5 " x 1.75" with
about a 1 1/16" bowl that tapers to the hole on the bottom.  This
hole leads outside where a 5.5" black vulcanite stem may be inserted.
Be aware that this stem is inserted directly into the pipe w/o space
between the newly carved heel and the joint for the mouthpiece.  It
just makes the bowl seem even larger when stuck to the straw-like
mouthpiece.  The article also warns that some of these square edges
may have been beveled off.  I didn't want to invest in an expensive
pipe carving kit until my wife (the family carver) saw that it was
something she could do.  (Her comment was that she never realized
briar was really that hard, and she wanted to know if her church-
wardens were made of the same kind of rock.)  ASci&Surp (watch the
abrev.) can be reached by mail or in person at 3605 Howard Street in
Skokie, IL 60076; by phone at (708) 982-0870; or FAX (800) 934-0722.
They have a $10 minimum order and will accept MC, Visa, Money Order,
Checks, and quantities of unique toys, gizzmos, and young children.
They buy a fixed quantity so supply is not guarenteed.
  Neil Flatter                 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
  Chemistry - Math (CMA)       Department of Chemistry
  Novell Supervisor            Chemistry Stockroom Manager
  ???????????????????????????      (812) 877 - 8316

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From: "Rad Equipment" <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Polishing Stems

Subject:  Polishing Stems                       Time:8:15 AM     Date:11/8/93
       >I have a question for the membership...Even though I've been smoking
       >and collecting pipes for twenty years I have'nt figured out a 
       >satisfactory way to clean and polish mouthpieces.  I have tried
       >Dunhill mouthpiece polish and often it means I have shiny but still 
       >discolored stems.  I was thinking about trying siome automotive type
       >rubbing compound.  I would appreciate any suggestions or advice.
       >????????????????????????? 717 291-3843  Thanks

When I worked in the trade (Wally Frank shop in Paramus, NJ in the late '70's)
we had a double buffing wheel set up in the shop which we used to polish
bakelite stems. We used Cannuba (sp?) wax on one wheel and kept the other clean
to buff with. This wax is similar to jeweler's rouge in that it is a mild
abrasive like rubbing compound. I found that some discoloration could be
removed with this set-up but severe cases would retain that olive drab tone
after the best workout. I also found that the stems which were allowed to
oxidize the most were the hardest to keep polished. There must be some
cascading effect on the breakdown of the stem material.

Moral: keep those stems well polished. Once they start to get a crystalline
appearance they will need to be replaced because they won't retain their retain
their color or finish any longer.


Russ Wigglesworth (INTERNET: ?????????????????????????????? - CI$: 72300,61)
UCSF Dept. of Radiology, San Francisco, CA (415) 476-3668 / Home (707) 769-0425

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From: gaf <????????????????????>
Subject: Post to Pipes Digest.

Greetings Steve and Group, 

I'm a system software specialist at the University of Pittsburgh.  
I quit smoking cig's back in 1975.  I'll ocasionally smoke a "good"
cigar, but haven't really settled into any discernable pattern.  
The world is still my oyster when it comes to choice, except for
Cuban :^).  I've noticed that Fuente is one brand that keeps being
mentioned on the list.  Interestingly, this was the first brand in-
troduced to me.  The tobacconist offered it as a good mild cigar.
For an all tobacco smoke, the $0.75 Fuente "throw-aways" are a great
buy.  Although these are mixed short and long cut filler I've never
had a bad one.  If I've got the time then I'll light up and savor a 

Does anyone have any tips on making your own (cigar) humidor?  I'd
like to build my own, cedar lined, of course.  Any info is helpful.

Unfortunately, not everyone can receive the Usenet alt.smokers news-
group.  There are some very interesting threads of conversation there.
BTW, how soon will rec.tobacco have another chance at creation? 

If any readers in the Pittsburgh area have the time, I recommend a 
visit to Jernigan's Tobacco Village in the South Hills Village Mall. 
Stop by and see Rich for some interesting conversation and a few 
great smokes.  They carry a complete line of accessories and have a
walk-in humidor.  Ahhh, the aroma... 

[email protected]    412-624-6407                  University of Pittsburgh
???????????                                    600 Epsilon Drive
Computing and Information Services             Pittsburgh Pa.   15238-2887 
Our Commitment Is Quality Service              My opinions are just that.

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From: ?????????????????????????? (Jon Baker)
Subject: Introduction

> We'd like to hear from you, and hope you'll help us to keep the
> mailgroup going. For starters, why not take a few minutes and tell us
> about yourself by return mail?

Surely.  I enjoyed the latest edition you sent me, and I hope that the
volume does not become so much that I can't handle it.  It's not like
I have a whole lot of spare time for yet another mailing list/newsgroup.

To my surprise, I find yet another list/group I share with this fellow ...
> Bill Thacker             AT&T Network Systems       attmail!att!cbemf!wbt
Considering his company will soon own my company, I should drop him a

I'm 30-something, and have been smoking since I was 21, when a friend
who was a clerk at a smoke shop brought me a few free samples, cut some
of them open, and explained to me the nuances of different cigars, and
what differentiates a good cigar from a bad one.  Since that time, I've
been a regular cigar smoker, an occasional pipe smoker, and a cigarette
smoker at work.

I generally smoke one Romeo&Julieta a day, in the evening after dinner
along with a suitable beverage.  I'll occasionally smoke Dunhill Juniors,
as well.  For social situations where a larger cigar is not appropriate,
but I still want to enjoy a good smoke, I'll bring along a tin of
Danneman Imperials, a cigarillo.  They have the added advantage of being
a dry cigar, not requiring humidor-storage.  Perhaps someone can explain
that to me, as I never understood it.

I order cigars (by phone) from the following shop in Scottsdale, AZ :

Ford & Haig Tobacconist
7076 E. 5th Ave
Scottsdale, Arizona

I enjoy browsing through the humidor, but unfortunately this shop is
many miles from my house, and I've seen the cigar shops in this city
gradually close down over the last several years, so I think this is
the only 'full featured' tobacco shop left in the county.  I'm open
to trying new cigars, and perhaps this list will give me some ideas.
But so far, I haven't found any better combination of flavor and price
than the Romeo's.

Jon Baker

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From: ??????????????????? (Brian Zimmerman)
Subject: New member views


First of all I'd like to thank you for the invitation to join this mail
list.  While I am NOT a cigarette smoker, I do enjoy the occasional cigar.
And this seems like a great way to learn about the wide variety.  I am
more interested in personal reviews, hence I don't get C.A.

Since I only smoke a few dozen per year, I am really interested in the
top quality cigars.  Also, I prefer "Churchill" size.  Hey, I'm a big
guy and it fits well.  So I'm looking forward to trying the Arturo Fuente
Hemingway this week.

The vast majority of my cigar smoking is on the golf course.  I'm always
aware of the wind direction.  It provides a distraction so that I don't
"over-think" about the game.  And it's a superior method of bug repellant,
certainly more pleasure than spraying DEET on my face!

But the problem I have is: What kind of lighter can be tossed around in
the bag (all orientations) and not leak, yet be reliable in breezy or even
down-right windy conditions?


Brian Zimmerman [????????????????]    | "In the end it is worse to suppress
Pulse Communications Inc., a division |  dissent than to run the risk of
of Hubbell (not the telescope)        |  heresy." - Learned Hand, 1958
All opinions are my own, none other   |

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From: Carl Winslow <????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re:  Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup

Dear Steve and others in the group,

yes, I'd be happy to join the mailgroup.

To present myself, I'm a 25 year old mathematician from Denmark, just
about to finish my PhD in Tokyo, Japan. My life as a pipesmoker began
in highschool when I was 16. In Denmark, it is not unusual at all to
smoke (pipe) at that age, and to tell the truth I never had anything
but pleasure from smoking until I stayed in the USA for six months
last year. To me as a foreigner, all this antismoking hysteria seems
a little out of proportion with the problems I thought to see in the
american society. - As a contrast, here in Japan, you can smoke just
about anywhere, but pipe tobacco is hard to find and very expensive.
I'd like to ask a question to all you experienced pipe smokers. Any
hints on how to avoid swallowing (small amounts of) acid due to humid
pipe smoke? I don't think this is linked to be tobacco brand, since
all fresh tobacco contain a certain amount of humidity, but maybe to 
the pipe?

					Best regards, 
					Carl Winsl\ow.

| "Quoi que puisse dire Aristote et toute la Philosophie,  il n'est rien |
| d'egal au tabac;  c'est la passion des honnetes gens,  et qui vit sans |
| tabac n'est pas digne de vivre.  Non seulement il rejouit et purge les |
| cerveaux humains, mais encore il instruit les ames a la vertu, et l'on |
| apprend avec lui a devenir honnete homme."                             |
|                                                                        |
|                                                                        | 
|			MOLIERE: "Dom Juan" (1665), I, 1.                |

(The above citation is probably some of the most beautiful ever written
on tobacco, and even in the very childhood of this art, seven years before
it became legal in France. Here is an approximate translation into (some
sort of) English: 
"Regardless of what Aristoteles (?) and all the philosophers might say,
there is nothing like tobacco; it's the passion of honnest people, and
who lives without tobacco is not worthy of living. Not only does it 
please and purify the human brain, it also teach virtue to the soul, and
with it one learns to become an honest man."

[ Welcome, Carl! Yes, from what I've heard, Denmark is a great place
to be a pipe smoker. Thanks for the quote! -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #117 - November 15, 1993
  2. Subject: Change The Name? Mais, Non!
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993
  4. Subject: Stem Cleaning
  5. Subject: Name Change
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993
  7. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #116 - November 5, 1993
  8. Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup
  9. Subject: Cheap pipe kits
  10. Subject: Polishing Stems
  11. Subject: Polishing Stems Time:8:15 AM Date:11/8/93
  12. Subject: Post to Pipes Digest.
  13. Subject: Introduction
  14. Subject: New member views
  15. Subject: Re: Invitation to join the Pipes Mailgroup
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