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Subject: Pipes Digest #122 - December 10, 1993

		Pipes Digest #122 - December 10, 1993

Welcome to new members:

	H. Chan			(????????????????????????)
	Michael Caldwell	(???????????????????????????)
	Micah Anderson		(phylo.genetics.washington.edu!dew!micah)
	Dave Beedle		(????????????????????????????)
	Gil Emery		(??????????????????)
	Mike (?)		(?????????????????)

And now, join us for a few intros, and dungeons, and dragons, and
fires, and forbidden knowledge...

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From: "William H. Magill" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest #121 - December 3, 1993

>   > I, as a Canadian, can bring Cuban cigars into the United States for my
>   > own personal use.  It is only illegal if I sell them or give them to
>   > somebody else.  That's why they sell them in the Duty Free.
>   Damn. A Canadian just came down to visit, and all I ordered was a haggis.

That's news to me - It was definately NOT true in the 70s. 
Cuban products are BANNED in the United States - it matters not who owns
them. (The trick is to get them into an embassy via diplomatic pouch.)
Cuban cigars would be confiscated (or destroyed, depending on the agent) at
the border. Canadians had the option of returning to Canada and keeping
their cigars or "destroying them". Americans simply had them confiscated.
Occasionally, a "liberal" agent would allow the "distruction" by smoking on
the spot. I have heard stories of this happening as recently as August of
1993. (By the way, "personal use" is a formal customs term, which
translates into 4 cigars - per trip - they don't consider duration - if I
remember correctly. 2 packs of cigaretts and 4oz of pipe tobacco.)

And as for the Haggis - they are easily enough acquired here in the states.
However, given the recent tax increases, a request for a bottle of Laphroaig
might be considered a reasonable compromise.

>   > According to my old tobacconist in Pittsburgh (Ivan at Continental), 
>   > Latakia is processed over fires of dried camel dung.  Any tobacco
>   > experts out there care to comment?
>   Dung is a traditional fuel throughout most of the world. I've read that
>   it's over a fire of herbs; I much prefer to believe that :-)

This must explain why I and many other latakia fans have always described
the "scent" (and had it described to us) as "buring camel dung."

However, I don't believe that ANY tobacco is "dried" over a fire. Although I 
could see the already "dired and aged" leaves "smoked" to provide a flavor.
But then, all the references I can find to Latakia call it either an
"oriental spice" tobacco, or simply "Turkish Latakia." Hmm, I'll have to
see if I can find any other references to its "curing."

William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Computing Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: ?????????????????????                   ???????????????????????????

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From: "William H. Magill" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest #121 - December 3, 1993

>   From: ????????????????????????? (Martin Ott)
>   Subject: Pipes, Tobacco and AD&D2nd
>   I would like to ask you for some information on making pipes and
>   tobacco. Sure I could read a book or look it up in an encyclopedia.
>   But I think I need the knowledge of people who have actual expereince
>   in doing these crafts.
>   AD&D2nd is short for Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition.  .....
>   ... Our group is very story oriented
>   and very often invent a new skill/proficiency which is not in the
>   official rule book. Recently, my bard started to learn the trade of
>   crafting tobacco pipes. 

Danger Will Robinson, Danger.... (Steve, you may not believe this but...)
Axler, Otto and I are still playing together - although we "retired" Axler's
world (1980-88) and moved to Otto's world (1984-current). But we never
spent the money on the 2nd edition (except for Wild Magic.) We have been
known to spend as long describing the "dinner" we were ordering from the
local Inn as we did dispatching monsters. However, I must say that recently
(since we all grew up) we have taken to "tasting wine" along with our D&D
to the point where we are running something like 2-3 game sessions
(typically a 6 hour Saturday about every 6 weeks) per hour of game time.

At any rate, the most logical type of pipe for the period (ignoring the
Hobbits) is the "tavern pipe". This was a "clay pipe." It typically had a
very long stem, when new. This was because the pipes were EXPENSIVE,
probably in the 50-100 GP range (assuming "fine dinner with ale" at the
Inn costs 5GP - you'll have to shift and shuffle to match the economy of
your world. Fine ale is typically 1gp/tankard. Cheap beer 2-3 sp. Wine is
VERY expenisve as viticulture is "reserved" to the clerical folks - a glass
of wine might go for 10-15GP if you can get it. Similarly distilled
spirits, are in the 10-15GP range PER gill! Again, typically restricted to
"sacramental" uses... but if you have a cleric of Thor!!! Fine dinner would
be a hank of meat and potatoes, carrots and onions. Normal dinner would be
"stone soup" - a thin stew (or maybe gruel) which had the bones left from
the "fine diners" tossed in for flavor.

Back to the "tavern pipe." A tavern owner kept a rack of pipes on the wall
which he "rented" to customers for an after dinner smoke. His "regulars"
might have a marked pipe kept aside for them. All other would "share" a
pipe. This sharing was accomplished by breaking off about 2 inches of the
pipe for each new customer. Hence a "tavern pipe" with a 2 foot long stem
would eventually shorten itself down to a "billiard" shape with a 6 inch
stem after a number of customers.

>   What do you need to make a pipe.  (Tools, woods, workshop or 'on the
>   road')
>   How long does it take to make a pipe.  (Experience, tools, wisdom,
>   dexterity, patient wife...)
Hmmm. Since we are essentailly talking about "pottery" here. A good source
of "firing clay," a mould would most likely work better than a "wheel".
(the 2 halves are created separately and then stuck together in a
"finishing" step. That's how you get the hole in the stem since you can't
"pour" clay, only force it in a mold.) The mold would be "hand carved" and
probably good for some arbitrary number of "castings." Then it would break,
wear out, etc - probably a D12's worth. Now you could add "high tech" to
this mould by making it of 3 pieces. Piece 1 is the outside shape of the
pipe (bowl and stem). This would be "filled" with clay. Then the "inside" 
pressed into this - half the bowl and smoke hole. Then the Flat back of the
mold "scraped accross the front and attached so as to make the whole ready
for firing. Hmm... what would you make the mold out of that wouldn't burn.
Or maybe it would, in which case 1 mould = 1 pipe.

>   Anything else to know ?  (If you have some historical knowledge, it
>   would be very welcome.)
A "Missouri Meershaum" (croncob pipe) can last a long or short time, mostly
depending upon the care with which the "cake" is burned on and how
frequenly it is used "and abused."

"Obviously?" A "traveling man" would need something in which to carry his
or her pipe which would protect it against pummelling and the like. So an
obvious "side line" would be the crafting of a carying case for the pipe.

>   A crude pipe can be made by an eight-year-old with a pocket knife. (I
>   know from personal experience. :-) But it takes a fair amount of
>   woodworking skill to make a good one.  Depending on the tools you're
>   using, and the effects you're trying for, it can take from an
>   afternoon to a week.

I used to make pipes out of acorns and nails. They didn't smoke very well,
but they looked the part. Yeah, it was probably around eight years old.
About the time that one got the first pocket knife from Cub Scouts or 

William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Computing Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: ?????????????????????                   ???????????????????????????

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From: "David D. Urbanski" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: The Big Question (one of them, anyway)

Hi Steve.
Greetings to all.

	I'm about to bring up a subject that may be wholly unpopular,
but what the hell. I'm not looking for arguments, only for
	How many people that smoke pipes are really concerned about
mouth cancer?  I'm one who doesn't really care.  (i.e. we're all going
to die...)  I want to know what the level of concern is here, whether
there's any good material to read on the fallicies/truths involved in
the cancer issue, etc.  I've spoken to people about it, but I would
sooner trust a group like this to know the truths about the subject.
Answer with care, please.  I'm not looking for offhanded remarks.
	Also, regarding the subject of How to Smoke a Pipe, I know
there are some who would say, "Just smoke the damn thing."  Others,
however, would give small tips about what should & shouldn't be done
when smoking a pipe to make it most enjoyable.  I'm looking for a
handful of these little tips, so I can compare it to how I smoke.
Excellence is a matter of habits, so tell me how you might achieve
excellence in the minor habits of smoking a pipe.

[ Well, personally, I'm concerned to the point that I'm really trying
to avoid tongue bite these days. It's more pleasurable that way, too.
BTW, I'd like the other readers here to feel OK about discussing
health issues here; I'll post concerns, but not flames. Glad you felt
comfortable enough to bring it up, David!

And that also brings up something on the "How To" topic: lately, I've
been smoking only half-bowls, because the full ones get pretty gamey
toward the end, and have more tendency to bite. Does anyone else do
this? -S. ]

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From: JOHN BARR (HSLC) <????????????????????>
Subject: Where to buy tobacco and pipes in Philadelphia area

I'm a digester on this list and don't get a chance to respond very fast.
Apologies if this repeates.

At any rate, discussion earlier touched on Philadelphia tobacco shops
and I'd like to plug a good one, The Tobacco Village in the Roosevelt Mall.
Yes, a Mall tobacco shop worthy of the name.

The proprieter is Louise Hood and her hysband Irv.  
Louise is probably more knowledgable about 
tobacco than most of the men that enter her shop.

The stock is wide ranging, including pipes from some local (PA) carvers
plus most of the best Italian and English pipes, signed meerchaums 
and all of the major pipe tobaccos, including the Levin/McClellen line
Bengal Slices, et al.
(Holt's shop long ago moved the pipe tobacco to the rear of the store and the
expensive pens to the front -- this was a business consideration to be sure,
but it's a shame the place is not what it was, at least for pipes, cigars
are still their forte)

I'm not trying to be an ad for Louise, or anything, it's just one of the best
shops I've been in.  And a friendly place, too, as most tobacco shops are.

If you're in the area, the number is (215) 331-0216
The Roosevelt Mall is on Roosevelt Blvd, which is US route 1 north through

Best regards for the Holidays,

John Barr
Health Sciences Libraries Consortium 
Philadelphia, PA

[ Thanks, John! I'll put it in when I edit the Resource Guide next.
BTW, does anyone have an address/phone for Holt's? -S. ]

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From: Elliott Conan Evans <[email protected]>
Subject: Buttons

If you're a great fan of wearing buttons, but you're disappointed
because you can't find the slogans you want, here's a tip:

Go to a local craft store and ask for "Kelly's Fun Buttons". The front
of "Fun Button" pops right off, so anything you can print on a small
circle of paper can instantly be made into a button. 

I print up pages of buttons all the time using DTP programs.

Elliott C. "Eeyore" Evans
"Well, that was about as useful as a room exactly the size of a bed of nails.
 And there's a bed of nails in it. And every second nail is missing."
 --Arthur P. D'Ecco

[ Sounds good, Eeyore, but I really like Nancy's calligraphed ones.
And she'll do special orders of one button, too. -S. ]

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From: wilbur brent williams <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #121 - December 3, 1993

Sorry that this took so long to get to you, but I've been busy.

	I've been lurking around the mail group, reading what has been
posted and have decided to introduce myself.  My name is Brent Williams, and
I am a sophmore at Indiana University.

	I started smoking pipes a year ago, and am still new at it.

	I noticed a few issues back that someone(I can't remember who), asked
if there were any younger pipe smokers out here.  I am 19, so I guess I 
qualify.  Anyway, My thanks for allowing me into this group and I hope to
have more to say later.

[ Thanks for the belated intro, Brent! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Martin Ott)
Subject: Re:  Tobacco Growing

Hi Steve,
thanks for the help with building pipes / growing tobacco.
Meanwhile I received 2 more direct emails from other
list members, both of which know that game.

After I wrote something up for the game,
I will certainly let you and the list know,
if not post it.


[ Looking forward to it, Martin! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????? (Steve Beaty)
Subject: introducing myself...

	well, i've only recently started smoking a pipe.  it's got all
	the makings for a great hobby for me: stuff to collect, taste
	to enjoy, and it's a bit off-center :-)  i've got four pipes
	so far, and am trying a variety of tobaccos.  i've got a
	problem that needs to be rectified before i can really get
	into pipes: mine go out too often.  i'm sure this is something
	everyone who smokes has to figure out, but i'm having troubles.
	Gregory Pease has helped quite a bit, but i want to smoke to
	relax, usually when reading or walking, and i don't want to
	have to stop every couple of minutes or so to relight.  so any
	pointers would be appreciated.  at worst, i'll just switch to
	cigars which i can seem to keep going :-)  part of my problem
	probably lies in the fact that i don't have a lot of time to
	devote to this.  i need to smoke outside, when doing something
	else, and it's been a bit cold here recently :-(  that's about
	it, i'm looking forward to reading the digest...
Steve "When in doubt, logout" Beaty                         ?????????????????
Cray Computer Corporation                     ???????????????????????????????
1110 Bayfield Drive                                        tel (719) 540-4129
Colorado Springs, Colorado, 80906                          fax (719) 540-4028 

[ Well, just try to develop a rhythm, I guess. Pretty soon it'll be
automatic. Meantime, get yourself a tamper and tamp down when it goes
out, and don't mind the matches. And thanks for the intro -- good
slogan, I should practice it more myself! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????
Subject: Re:  Resource guide

BTW, I am all for a rec.tobacco (or similar) group to get away from all
the whiny anti-smokers on alt.smokers.  Seems like there are very few
people posting cigar/pipe items on there anymore since it became a
big bitch group.  Thank goodness for your Digest.
While I am at it, would it be much of a hassle to get some backissues?
I started with about issue 115, so would appreciate to get the 4 or 5
issues before that.  Is there any FTP site for the backissues?

Mark K.

[ Never a problem getting back issues. BTW, I'm planning on
re-proposing a Big 7 tobacco newsgroup around April/May, when the
6-month period from the last rec.tobacco proposal is up. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????
Subject: Re:  Resource guide

HA HA. A cigar aficinado, AND a ham radio operator.
WhaHam heaven: walking through the Dayton Fleamarket smoking a Cohiba.

Mark  VE5ZU/VE3

[ VE5ZU/VE3 DE KF2IO R R - Any other hams out there? I've been
inactive for a long spell, but still like to keep the call. (Used to
be WA3RQH, but I let it lapse.) Maybe someone could start an Amateur
Radio Tobak sked... Always did like the photo of W1AW in the ARRL
Handbook, sitting in front of his 1930s rig with pipe in hand... For
me heaven would likely be a Peterson Baskerville and L. L.  Bean's
Mixture (no longer available, sigh) at the Trenton Computer Fest...
and a full box of Swan Vestas and no wind or rain :-) VE5ZU/VE3 DE
KF2IO K -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Re: alt.cigars/rec.tobacco

  IMHO, we can endure the flamage in alt.smokers (and a two-entry
twit filter would take care of most if it.)
  With the goal of having a real, moderated, rec.tobacco next
summer, I'd rather keep all the good high-signal stuff in one
place (alt.smokers.)

  If there were alt.cigars, I would ask again what I asked on
alt.smokers, and if there were any answers I missed them:
  What with so many people enjoying cigars, I thought I'd give
them a try.  I like Turkish Special cigarettes, and their Pipo
tobacco, or something sweet like Mango Cavendish.
  So far I've tried the following:
    Canaria d'oro (baby 65c) -- harsh, nothing good about it
    Juan Clemente (Demitasse $2.10) -- Nicely strong, but more bitter than sweet
    Royal Jamaican (Pirate $1.80) -- Too Weak taste, what little there was
             was mainly metallic or sour, possible hint of sweetness
 And today I picked up:
    Danneman Menor Sumatra small cigars
    Henry Clay
 and Cake Box Connecticut Valley

  (Tonight I'm going to a Hanukah Party at the home of a friend who
smokes a lot and well -- what better way to celebrate the Festival
of Lighting Up?)

 Any suggestions for other varieties I might enjoy?

      - David Chesler (????????????????)

[ While not as dedicated a cigar buff as others on the mailgroup, I
seem to like Upmanns, and I tried a Pleaides the other night that I
enjoyed. In small cigars, Panters and Henri Winterman spring to mind.
I'd also appreciate other what-to-try ideas! -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #122 - December 10, 1993
  2. Subject: Pipes Digest #121 - December 3, 1993
  3. Subject: Pipes Digest #121 - December 3, 1993
  4. Subject: The Big Question (one of them, anyway)
  5. Subject: Where to buy tobacco and pipes in Philadelphia area
  6. Subject: Buttons
  7. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #121 - December 3, 1993
  8. Subject: Re: Tobacco Growing
  9. Subject: introducing myself...
  10. Subject: Re: Resource guide
  11. Subject: Re: Resource guide
  12. Subject: Re: alt.cigars/rec.tobacco
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