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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994

		 Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994

For once, no new members this week! So let's plunge right into the
Continuing Conundrum of Captain Black and his Lost Planet Pirates...

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Cuban Connection

On a Christmas trip to Edmonton, Alberta, I bought two
things that Canadians enjoy which we Californians do not:
good ice skates at a reasonable price and Cuban cigars.

It was a hurried trip, but after visiting four tobacconists
(damn there are a lot of them in Edmonton!) I found some
Monticristo coronas. They needed a few days to rehydrate,
but the first one I've tried was very nice. It drew well,
had a full, smooth flavor, and was a nice smoke.

However, at least for this batch of Montecristos, I'd have
to say they are a novelty smoke. Soon afterwards I had an
Arturo Fuentes that knocked my socks off. At least
I can now say I've tried those Commernist Seegars.

Kam Kashani

P.S.: The skates are nice ;-)

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From: ????????????????????????? (Aryk Nusbacher)
Subject: Re:  Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994
	The first package I picked up was Captain Black Royal ...

I don't want to sound like a snob.  I really don't.  But think about it
this way:  would you expect much of a cigar that is sold in 7-11?  A
wine? Would you buy a match rifle at K-Mart?

Captain Black is the Taylor California Cellars of pipe tobacco.  Smells
pretty, and so loaded with artificial preservatives that it will be 
around with the Twinkies long after we're all gone.

When the pockets are empty, or when you're stuck away from a tobacconist,
you might find yourself buying grocery store brands.  But they're just
not the same as the real thing.  They're also frequently very bad at
depositing thick layers of tar in your pipe -- fine if your pipe is
also from the 7-11, with a filtre to keep it from  drawing right up 
into your mouth, but a cruel thing to do to a good pipe.

Maybe it's a bit of missionary spirit, but I think you might really 
enjoy picking up a bit of English -- Balkan Sobranie, Dunhill Standard
Mild, or a good clone -- and give it a try.  It can be harsh if you
smoke it too quickly, but it can be really worthwhile.
	...  About 6 months back,
	while in the tobacco shop for more "bourbon-vanilla", I ventured into
	the humidor...my love affair with cigars began, and I have virtually
	abondoned my pipe (a decent little Peterson)--sorry pipe fans :)
Once again, my flesh creeps a bit.  Bourbon-vanilla tobacco is like
General Foods Cafe Irish Creme -- an interesting confection, but not the
real thing.  There are a lot of very good natural tobaccos out there,
so don't give up on your pipe.

And natural pipe tobacco might not smell as sweet and pretty as the 
flavoured stuff, but it is easier for a non-smoker to take than 
cigar leaf.	
	[ Manilas? Now there's a thought... any other experiences? -S. ]
A lot of good cigars have just too much nicotine for my system, and
for my pipe-smoker puffing habits.  I have found that there are a lot
of good Filipino cigars which are very delicate in flavour and in
smell, and without the same nicotine shock of, say a Cuban.
Reminiscent in some ways of a Villiger, without the square-cut 


Aryk Nusbacher

[ Editorial extrusion: Your mileage, and tastes, will probably vary.
Personally, I have nothing against the cased Cavendishes, especially
if they smell nice to the non-smokers. See Neil Flatter's letter
below. Others? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Stephen A. Malott)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994

   In reference to the comments about importing Cubans into the US, I bet
if Hillary DID let Slick Willy light up, he wouldn't inhale! ;-)

	Stephen A. 'SAM' Malott      Packet:  ????????????#CMH.OH.USA.NA 
	                             Internet: ?????????????????????????

[ And if I were married to Hillary, I wouldn't enjoy it! -S. ]

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From: Allan Janus <????????????????????>
Subject:      Pipes Digest

I must respond to Edward Clark III's suggestion to moisten a humidor
with rum.  An excellent idea!  I frequently moisten myself with
Gosling's Black Label, and the effects are quite encouraging -
combined with a decent stogie and something old and mellow on the CD

On another subject, please reveal more on the "Agricultural &
Mechanical Gazette". Is this an on-line publication, or a veritable,
published publi- cation?  I ask, because as a specialist in the
history of lighter than air flight at the National Air and Space
Museum, I'm strangely moved by the sound of the Dirigible Pirates - I
yearn to hear more!

Allan Janus

[ See below for a reprint about the A&M Gazette. Neil, can you add to
this? -S. ]

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[ The following is a reprint from Pipes Digest sixtysomething. -S. ]

From: Steve Masticola (???????????????????????)
Subject: Agriculture, Mechanics, and the Dirigible Pirates

Well, the story goes like this. Norm Carpenter was in NYC on business
for a couple of days, so I met him for dinner and a pipe at La Bonne
Soupe. (It wasn't the night the NY Pipe Club meets, so we had to do
the smoking outside of the restaurant, along with a little
exploration.) For some reason or another, I mentioned a slightly
strange-of-center bimonthly pipe lore magazine called "The
Agricultural and Mechanical Gazette", in which the Internet Pipes
Mailgroup has been listed for the last two issues. It's edited by Neil
Murray, and well worth the price of $15/year for club and convention
news, as well as the, er, "different" Dirigible Pirates stories.

Norm asked me, quite reasonably, why a pipe journal would have a name
like "The Agricultural and Mechanical Gazette." Rather than
paraphrase, I'll repeat the whole story, from Vol. 2 Issue 4, December
1990, p. 2.

"Many of our readers have written in asking questions. Questions such
as, "Where is the 'Great North Woods?', 'Who are these Dirigible
Pirates?', and 'What does it all really mean?'

"Various explanations have been offered from time to time, both by the
informed and also by the uninformed. At long last, this is an attempt
to set the record straight. Consider it a sort of Christmas present,
from us, to you.

"The story of the Dirigible Pirates, which has been accepted by most
people as a work of fiction, is in fact an historical account of
future events. That is to say, when the future becomes the past, and
the present becomes irrelevant, the story of our Pirates will become
an accepted part of our cultural and historical baggage. Suffice it to
say that when the Clean Air Police grab our society by the throat,
wrenching our pipes from between our clenched teeth, a few brave men
and women will take refuge in a place which will become known as, 'The
Great North Woods.' Anticipating their (the Pirates') need for a camp
newsletter, _The Agricultural and Mechanical Literary Gazette_ was
founded -- well in advance of their actual need! (The word 'Literary'
was eventually dropped from the title for reasons which are no longer
of interest - and we can't remember anyway.) As the title implies, the
objective of the _Gazette_ is to inform and entertain the readers
since anything of interest to a Dirigible Pirate - being folks of
simple needs - can be categorized as either agricultural or
mechanical. We initially envisioned that the _Gazette_ would be packed
with informative articles about pipes, tobaccos, the social news of
our cohort, the historical chronicle of the pirates, the husbandry of
small cereal grains and their conversion through fermentation into a
more transportable form, horticulture, the repairs of old pipe
friends, practical machine tools and material sciences. Much of this
has been accomplished and much remains ahead of us.

"And, finally, what does it all mean? We don't know. If we did, maybe
we would be writing for the _Harvard Business Review_ instead."

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From: ???????????????? (Elliott C. Evans)
Subject: Please add me

Hi there.

You might remember me from my earlier addres at the "andrew.cmu.edu"
site.  I've now moved to working full time here in Pittsburgh, so
please add me to the list at this new address. Thanks.

I mostly smoke cigarettes (Nat Sherman's "Virginia Circles", "Three
Caftles" handrolling), but when I get a chance I like to pack my briar
and sit around lounging.

While I was home for the holidays, I had occasion to be in New York
city for about a half an hour as I walked from Penn Station to Grand
Central. As I walked, I window shopped absent mindedly. Eventually, I
passeda rather nice looked shop with pipes in the window. I looked up
to the marquee and realized that I was *there*. It was the Nat
Sherman's *store* on Fifth Avenue in New York.

Walking in was an experience to remember. I assume that this store is
approximately 60 years old, and it's still run like a 1930's
gentleman's shop. Lot's of wood cabinets and glass. In addition to the
full line of cigarettes, there was a wonderful selection of pipe
tobacco and a large selection of acoutrements like walking sticks,
cigar and cigarette cases, and flasks. Also, all of the three salesmen
was dressed in suits! The place really radiates the kind of class
that tobacco *used* to have in this country before the advent of
Marlboro and Camel indutrial commercialism. The humidor (which I
unfortunately did not have time to browse) was *upstairs* on the
second floor.

Since I already had a box of cigarettes in my pocket, I just bought a
bag of Golden Virginian pipe tobacco so that I could get *something*
in this wonderful store. I'm not sure why I was so impressed, but
since I didn't expect to see anything of value during that short time
in the city, I guess it's just a pleasant suprise that I'll remember
for a while.

| Elliott C. "Eeyore" Evans            |
| Technical Writer, Ansoft Corporation |
| ????????????????      Pittsburgh, PA |

[ Welcome back, Eeyore! And thanks for the trip report on Nat
Sherman's. -S. ]

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From: Bruce Given     <??????????????????????????>

Steve, thank you for adding me to the subscription list of Pipes, must
apologise for the curt subscribe (thought That I was talking to one of
those dumb listservers.
Am I a 28 year electronics engineer orginaly born in New Zealand but
now I live in the frozen wastes of Montreal (actually a very nice city
in the summer time.) .
My Interests are in fine Cigars and after my recent vist to The UK
in pipes ( what a wonderful range of tobaks's they have in the UK..)
while I was there I picked a pipe smokers guide has a run down on tobaks and
pipes if any body is interested i can give them the mail address in the UK.
I buy my tobbac at Davidoff here in Montreal ( found them cheaper than
H.poupart who only has One store  and thats in Montreal.) as for Adrian Gold's
comments concerning getting Cubans into the US I have a couple of friends
that I supply on a regular basis ( but using Post or Fedex accross the
border will not work.. if any body is interested private email me...

I recently discovered a little company in Toronto that Imports Cuban tobak
and rolls there own they are wonderful....

May the smoke of happeniness always be in your eyes !!

Bruce Given ??????????????????????????

[ Never a 'bot for the Pipes Digest! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994


A little bit more for a future digest.  My name is Barry Schenker and
I live in Buffalo, yes the home of the Bills.  I've already read the
back issues you sent and I would like to compliment you and everyone
on the job they do.

I saw you listed in Tom Dunn's 1992 listing of pipe collectors.

About tobacco - there have been alot of questions about various
tobaccos.  For all your subsribers, I stongly recommend getting a
listing of Barry Levin's Personal Reserve tobaccos and trying some.
Although some may consider them expensive, they're well worth it.
Also, Brebbia (yes the pipe manufacturer), just introduced a line of
tobaccos as well as Butera, another pipemaker. They are all an
excellent line of Virginia or English type tobaccos.  Levin also
carries a line of aromatics.

I smoked English for years, but got tired of all the complaints, so
smoke them at home.  Virginias are my choice when I'm in the office or
out.  i have found several which are close enough to English that they
serve well in crowds.

Reading about all the cigars makes me want to go over to Canada and
pick up some Cuban cigars although last time I tried some, they seem
to have lost quite a bit in quality.

Kepp up the good work.


[ Will do, Barry! Glad to hear that the word is getting out through
TPSE. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994


I listed some stores in the previous message and after I closed thought your
subscribers might be interested in contacting some of the stores.

The following may be of interest to your subscribers.  

Barry Levin
Levin Pipes International
RFD 1, Box 565 West Hill
Craftsbury, VT  05826
(802) 586-7744

Excellent tobaccos ( Personal Reserve series and others ) as well as the
biggest assortment of estate pipes anywhere.  Worth at list getting one

The Pipe Collector's Club of America
P.O. Box 5179
Woodbridge, Virginia  22194-5179
(703) 878-7657

New pipes at discounted prices.  Carries the Personal Reserve and Brebbia
tobaccos as well as others.  Another must.

Pipe Collector's International
1715 Promenade Center
Richardson, TX  75080
(214) 669-3087

Good line of new and used pipes.  Also carries the Butera tobaccos.  An
Edwards store.  Caution - can be difficult to work with sometimes.

[ Some of these are in the Resource Guide already, but I'll include
the ones that aren't. -S. ]

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From: "Brian Morgan" <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Cubans in Windsor, Ontario?

  Cubans in Windsor, Ontario?
With all of the cigar discussion lately (and I thought this was a Pipes
list :-}  ), I was wondering if any of you around Detroit or Windsor can
recommend a good shop in Windsor that carries a selection of Cuban cigars
that won't cost me an arm and leg and...?  I get to Detroit on business
quite a bit, and Windsor is just across the tunnel.

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From: Neil Flatter <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994

>From: ??????????????????????????????????????? (Micah Anderson)
>Subject: Pipe Tobaks tried
>        The first package I picked up was Captain Black Royal, which comes
>in a blue pouch. <SNIP>  I am not sure if I want to venture to try
(another) one right off.

I like the white package Captain Black.  Vanilla flavor w/ a hint of
chocolate.  Extremely aromatic!  I'll look for the Skandinavik.
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>From: ???????????????????????????? (Adrian Gold)
>Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #124 - December 23, 1993
> importing yeast for his homemade beer.

Another one of life's simple pleasures.  I got tired of paying 2X-4X
a reasonable price for good beer so now I make my own.  Are there any
other homebrewing subscribers?
  Neil Flatter                 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
  Chemistry - Math (CMA)       Department of Chemistry
  Novell Supervisor            Chemistry Stockroom Manager
  ???????????????????????????      (812) 877 - 8316

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From: Neil Flatter <???????????????????????????>
Subject: herbal tobacco

Besides my other hobbies, I am working on my herb garden.  One of the
references mentioned a smoking mixture based on coltsfoot instead of
tobacco.  Does anyone know anything more about it?  I have a few
herbal recipes to add to a smoking blend if anyone is interested.
  Neil Flatter                 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
  Chemistry - Math (CMA)       Department of Chemistry
  Novell Supervisor            Chemistry Stockroom Manager
  ???????????????????????????      (812) 877 - 8316

[ Sure, Neil, send 'em along! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????? (Jim Richmond)
Subject: A.T. 8-7-8

   In #124, J. Mark Jones mentioned that he smoked an Arturo Fuente 8-7-8 and
loved it. He was looking for some other opinions on it and since I had my 
first 8-7-8 last night I though I'd toss in my two cents. I also liked it very
much and for $1.50 ea. it was a real bargain. It was quite firm with a nice 
even burn. It wasn't hot at all and I too smoked it down to the last. I prefer 
larger cigars but for a nice quick smoke, I highly recommend it.

		           Jim Richmond
                           Electronic Data Systems
                           Troy, Mich 48098

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From: ???????????????????????????
Subject:      questions and comments

Hello All,
enjoyed a decent Arturo Fuente Numero One today at lunch. I think the
guy at the smoke shop called it a "longsdale". The wrapper was dark
brown maduro (my favorite). It was a decent smoke. Not as good as the
8-5-8 (wonderful!). I noticed that the ash didn't burn nearly as
white as the 8-5-8. Is a good white ash the sign of a good wrapper,
possibly? It was a bit harsh until a little better than halfway, and
it smoothed out. I believe I will stay with the 8-5-8 (they were out
of them :-( ). Smoke shop guy has more 8-5-8's on the way, and also
some Fuente Hemingways. Now here's one I can't wait to try. Martin
Miller likes 'em and that's good enough for me! The smoke shop guy
highly recommends them. The guy tells me he is selling a ton of
good cigars, and the guy tells me he will soon install a walk-in-
humidor. Its funny, I don't *see* that many people smoking cigars...
but their seems to be almost Renaissance of cigars and pipes

Read an article the other day about life on the road with one of my
favorite singer song-writers-Billy Joel. Said he carries boxes of
Palmas cigars on the road. I didn't figure the Piano Man for a stogie
smoker. Anyone ever heard of/tried these?

Rush Limbaugh stated on his show a couple of days ago that he thinks
the Hoyo De Monterrey Double Corona (Cuban) is the finest cigar on
the face of the earth. Anyone know about this cigar? I'd love to try

Question: Give me some hints on cutting the cigar. Smoke shop dude
sold me a $2 gizmo that looks like a little guillotine. Doesn't do a
very clean cut. Are you supposed to go for a small, neat drawing hole
while maintining the rounded end of the cigar? He said "I just cut
the end off...." But I like that rounded end, it seems the cigar
could get messy if you tear up the end very much. Also Steve, I hear
that there is a FAQ and a How-to-Guide. Would you be so kind as to
send them to me?

Thanks! May Good Cigars and Pipes come your way!


J. Mark Jones, Accounting Manager
Georgia Center For Continuing Education
The University of Georgia
Athens, Georgia 30602 USA
(706) 542-6616
INTERNET: ???????????????????????????

[ "Now Bob at the bar is a friend of mine,
   He gets me my drinks for free.
     And he's quick with a joke
     Or to light up your smoke
   But there's someplace that he'd rather be."

I've wondered about that myself.... 

Re the cutter, I'm told that a V-shaped cut is the best. I've seen
cigar cutters that run in excess of $400. But a sharp penknife works
fine. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????? (Jon Baker)
Subject: Misc

RE: poor student not a typical cigar fan

I first started smoking cigars while in college, when a friend of mine
who worked in a tobacco shop introduced me to a few free samples.  I've
been enjoying fine cigars ever since.  Most of my friends in college
also enjoyed the occasional cigar, so I do not believe you are a rarity.

RE: composition of cigars

This same friend dissected several cigars for me, some good and some not 
so good, to show me how they are constructed and how to identify the better 
cigars.  It was my understanding that most good Caribbean cigars are composed 
of tobacco from a single plantation, not blends (as are many or most of the 
European's).  The finest ones will have no stems or seeds, and an all-natural 
tobacco wrapper.

Bad cigars, from the US, will have an abundance of stems of seeds; I 
think sometimes that they just uproot the whole plant, run through a
grinder/mulcher, and call it tobaccey.  They are wrapped in paper, which
burns hot, unevenly, and tastes lousy.  Typically, but not universally,
'hand made' or 'hecho a mano' is synonymous with an all-tobacco wrapper.
If there are non-tobacco elements, it is usually a machine made cigar.

An anomaly is Backwoods smokes (please don't shoot me for mentioning
them!), which are indeed all tobacco, including the wrapper, but have
an abundance of stems and seeds and are machine made.  They are the
best cigar you will find in grocery/dime stores, but that isn't saying

RE: Lingering odors, domestic tranquility

I was grandfathered.  I smoked cigars before I met my SO, and there was
never any mention of stopping.  She does not mind the aroma of a good
cigar.  This is a serious consideration when choosing to take on smoking,
or an SO, as I know some people for which this has been a very divisive issue.

RE: Humidors

Whilst poor students in college, I know of some folks who used old
non-defrosting refrigerators as makeshift humidors.  If the seal is intact,
the ability to 'chill' is irrelevant.  Such items can frequently be had
at bargain prices, if you're on a budget.  Else, a good small-to-medium
hardwood humidor should be had for around $50.  You can pay much more,
for much larger, if you like.  Be careful that whatever humidifying
element you insert, that there is no loose moisture on it.  If it's a
strip, after wetting the element, pat the outsides dry.  If it's one of
those little cylindrical gizmos (?), make sure it's not dripping, and
the exterior is dry.  I made this mistake early on, and it resulted in 
a slight warpage of the top of my humidor, revealing about a 1/16" space.
It isn't totally ruined, but it definitely degrades the ability to keep
the contents moist.

RE: High prices for Cuban's in Canada

I suspect much of this is due to the exhorbitant tobacco taxes in Canada.
We'll catch up to your prices, probably soon. :-(

Jon Baker

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Pipe Pictures

Since you have a large subscriber network, you might want to find out if
anyone would like to send pictures of pipes across the network.

I have many that I've scanned.  I have a Mac and would like to try sending
someone a picture(s) if anyone's interested.

Just have them send an E-Mail and let me know what format it should be sent
in.  I will reduce the pictures so the files are small, so they'll need a way
to enlarge them.  I think I can translate them into IBM format(s) if one of
those "other types" are interested.


[ Maybe if you sent a list of the pics you have? Could be the start of
a whole nother enterprise! -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994
  2. Subject: Cuban Connection
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994
  5. Subject: Pipes Digest
  6. Subject: Agriculture, Mechanics, and the Dirigible Pirates
  7. Subject: Please add me
  8. Subject: STEVE POST
  9. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994
  11. Subject: Cubans in Windsor, Ontario?
  12. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #125 - January 10, 1994
  13. Subject: herbal tobacco
  14. Subject: A.T. 8-7-8
  15. Subject: questions and comments
  16. Subject: Misc
  17. Subject: Pipe Pictures
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