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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #127 - January 21, 1994

		 Pipes Digest #127 - January 21, 1994
		     Circulation This Issue: 214

Welcome to new members:

	Elliott C. Evans		(????????????????)
	Bob Ewart			(??????????????????????)
	H. Betz				(?????????????)
	Yannis Schoinas			(????????????????????)
	Dean Lois			(??????????????????)
	Chris Cooper			(???????????????)
	Daniel K. Cunningham		(???????????????)
	Eric Magnus			(???????????????????????)
	Skyler Bode			(????????????????)
	Devindran Jeyathurai, aka Spydie (??????????????????????)
	Bryan Embrey			(???????????????)
	Ib Fagerlund			(???????????????????)
	Bob Rogers			(?????????????????)
	Dr. Grover Andrews		(?????????????????????????????)
	Robert H Woody			(??????????????????????????)
	Mike Guentzel			(??????????????????????????)

As you can see, the monthly letter just hit the alt.smokers
newsgroup... just as an earthquake hit Los Angeles and record-breaking
cold hit the Eastern U.S. Good weather to lay back with a glass of
Ardent Spirits and your favorite tobak... indoors... and read the
mailbag. Hope you're healthy and warm, wherever you are, and that your
matches are all in working order!

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From: Andrew Lewis Tepper <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994

Excerpts from mail: 14-Jan-94 Pipes Digest #126 - January.. by Steve
> Rush Limbaugh stated on his show a couple of days ago that he thinks
> the Hoyo De Monterrey Double Corona (Cuban) is the finest cigar on
> the face of the earth. Anyone know about this cigar? I'd love to try
> it.
I kind of think he said that because Cigar Aficianado said it. Two weeks
ago I was amazed that a tobacconist I visited had one for sale. He got
it from a company that I _know_ had sold out of them before CA's review.
These would therefore be from a new shippment from Cuba. It was an
excelent cigar - rich, sort of a more stylish version of an Arturo
Fuente Hemmingway (which I just had last night, BTW... _really_ good.)
but not the best cigar I've ever had; That would be the Romeo & Julieta
Churchill. I wonder if my taste just dosen't match CA's, or if some
producers compromise quality for quantity once a good review comes out.
Remember, these producers are all owned by the Cuban government; they
don't have quite the incentive to maintain a reputation the way a
Chateau Petrus does. If other readers have tried this cigar I'd be
interested in their opinions.


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From: ?????????????? (Bruce Michael Morris)
Subject: Re: Introduce myself, etc.

Hey Steve!

I just caught #124-#126 all in one shot (they all came to my mailbox while I
was on vacation), and I think it's about time I introduce myself.  My name is
Bruce Morris, I'm a student at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in New York,
and I am a four-year veteran cigarette/cigar smoker who has just recently
ventured into the world of pipe smoking.  (In fact, I must confess, I just did
my first bowl about an hour ago!)

While I'm sure as hell not a veteran, I want to agree with Micah in Pipes
Digest #125, who complained about the taste of Captain Black Royal.  Micah,
let me tell you: Captain Black Gold is no prize either!  My tongue felt numb
after about ninety seconds with that blend (and I am a regular Camel smoker
who enjoys occasional Dunhills and even more occasional Phillies!), and I
couldn't taste the cup of coffee I drank after that!  Someone, please suggest
a better brand!  (And tell me if this problem might have something to do with
the fact that this pipe is far from broken in! (They do mellow, right?)

Also, I think my first choice of pipe might not have been the greatest.  I'm
currently using a Dr. Grabow Omega, a filtered pipe which I'm afraid to clench
in my teeth because the stem has an annoying habit of separating from the bowl
(which is how you change the filter, of course).  Will that get better over
time?  And how often do you change the filters?

Thanks in advance, all!

"This sucks!"
	-Beavis 3:16

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From: ????????????????? (Christopher Troise)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994

> From: Allan Janus <????????????????????>
> Subject:      Pipes Digest
> I must respond to Edward Clark III's suggestion to moisten a humidor
> with rum.  An excellent idea!  I frequently moisten myself with
> Gosling's Black Label, and the effects are quite encouraging -
> combined with a decent stogie and something old and mellow on the CD
> player.
> Allan Janus
> ????????????????????

You moisten yourself?  That's an interesting twist!  ;-)

[ Yes, I can confirm that it helps to moisten yourself with a tot of
Ardent Spirits before lighting up... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Esoterica Tobacciana

Well, it's starting to look like Esoterica Tobacciana has gone
out of business.  None of my local pipe shops in Columbus, Ohio
has any of their tobacco left in stock, and the guy who imports
the stuff isn't returning calls.  I've managed to put aside a
small stock of these, but I'd like to get more before these
blends disappear from everywhere in the country.

The Esoterica Tobacciana blends are pricey (but worth it)
English blends in tins (and half-pound packages) with a white
label.  Has anyone seen these blends in your local smoke shop?
If you've seen them, I'd greatly appreciate if you'd give me the
name of the shop, and (if possible) their phone number.

Many people on the list have probably experienced this before: a
favorite blend goes the way of the mastodon, and you've only got
a tin or two to last you the rest of your life.  I'd like to grab
as many of these as I can before it's too late.  Please reply by
e-mail if you can help.

Steve Houser

[ Please let us know how it goes, Steve! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Charles Myers)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994

        How about the full address for the Agricultural and Mechanical Digest.

[ From the Resource Guide:

Agricultural and Mechanical Gazette	(Bimonthly magazine for pipe
47758 Hickory				 smokers and collectors - it's
Apt. 22305				 different! $15/year.)
Wixom, MI 43893

How about it? BTW, Neil, in answer to your question, right on with the
Dirigible Pirates episode in the December issue. Like the button says:
"Support free trade -- smuggle!" Just kidding, Uncle Sugar... if
you're listening... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest

Steve - 

Just got your intro and first issue of the diges, really enjoyed it!

I'm 28 and run an insurance office in St. Petersburg, FL.  I've been enjoying
cigars for about three years.  Until Cigar Aficionado, and now Pipes Digest,
I thought the only people smoking cigars were old Cuban gentlemen in Ybor
City (Tampa), new fathers, and myself.  Maybe it is a vestige of herd
mentality, but it's great to know you are not alone.

J. Mark Jones asked about cutters.  Edward's Pipe & Tobacco in Tampa, (813)
872-0723, offer a cutter they have made locally.  It's called an El Toro and
is a combination of a bullet cutter and a sharpened, spring loaded, drill bit
which acts as a piercer.  I know it sounds strange, but it works great. 
Gives a nice clean hole, with a good draw and it is easy to clean.  The whole
thing is in a two piece wood tube that is about three inches, so it is easy
to carry in your pocket.  Sells for about twenty bucks.  (No, I don't own
stock)  I used a V cut for a while, but I tend to chew on the end of the
cigar and would loose my draw with the V.

Cigar Aficionado has given great ratings to La Gloria Cubana,  made in Miami.
 I wasn't able to find any in tobacco stores and all the mail order houses
were "out of stock."  Finally, a friend was able to pick some up at the
factory, while in Miami on business.  Boy was it worth the wait!!

Upon arrival they were very "green" , but after a month or so in the humidor
they were fantastic.  Snow white ash, even burn, and spicy flavor that makes
you want to smoke two at a sitting.  I've tried the Coronas, Churchills,
Robustos, Double Coronas, and Torpedos and they have all been excellent. 
Question is, has anyone else tried them?  I'm wondering if they are really as
good as I think or if it is simply the trouble I went throught to get them
that is playing tricks on my head.

Also, does anyone smoke Cuba Aliados?  If so, how about a review.

Thanks for the digest, hope to hear from you soon.

Harry Betz

PS - Please send whatever back issues you have available.

[ You are definitely not alone, Harry! I _did_ send the back issues,
didn't I? -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????????
Subject:      Smoke, if you got 'em

Hello All,
Just a couple of short shots....

Both of these came from Rush Limbaugh (I confess I am a ditto-head).
Rush is quite knowledgable about cigars and discusses them, and Cigar
Aficiado quite frequently on his show.

President John F. Kennedy was a cigar man. On the eve of the Cuban
embargo, he sent his top aide out to buy up as many Cuban cigars as
he could find. Rush says he brought some 1200 to the Pres.

Winston Churchill usually smoked about 10 cigars a *day*! Of course,
the churchill size (which I suppose is a bit subjective) comes from
those big suckers he smoked. I can't imagine smoking 10 a day. 'Course
its hard to believe I used to do two packs of Marlboro or Winston
regulars, and more if I stayed up late. Give me a good cigar once or
twice a week, and I will be a happy camper!

BTW-Pipes List is fantastic....I've come to really look forward to it
each week. Thank you very much Steve, you are a gentleman and a


J. Mark Jones, Accounting Manager
Georgia Center For Continuing Education
The University of Georgia
Athens, Georgia 30602 USA
(706) 542-6616
INTERNET: ???????????????????????????

[ And Churchill lived into his eighties on a diet of large Havanas... -S. ]

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From: "Marios H. Agrotes" <???????????????????????>
Subject:      The Ultimate Cigar Book, "The Smoker" in Albany NY, 8-5-8

     As I have just come in to work after a visit to "The Smoker" in
Albany, NY and then found the latest digest waiting for me, I thought
it would be a great time to relate some of my recent experiences and
thoughts on matters relating to lady nicotine.

I have been a customer of Mel Feldman, "The Smoker" proprietor, since
1980, when I started college in Albany.  He moved to his current
location at 136 Washington Avenue (a block and a half from the Capitol)
soon afterwards, and I continued frequenting his store since then.

He is not only a master blender of pipe tobacco and an all-around expert
on all pipe-related things, but also a very good conversationalist with
many interests, (every time I go there, I stay two-three hours) and stocks
an excellent collection of new and estate pipes at very fair prices, in
all ranges.  His walk-in humidor is not very big, and neither is his
cigar selection, (even though he has a few sizes each of the "major" brands)
but that is more than made up for by his thousands of excellent pipes.

I usually buy an estate pipe from him around new year's (this year I
was late) and on my birthday.  Today I bought an excellent "Ben Wade"
Danish freehand from the "Autumn" series.  Nice amber stem.  Can't wait to
go home to fire it up.
This is the fourth or fifth "Ben Wade" Danish freehand I bought in a row
from him.  They have all been excellent.  Almost as good as my Dunhill
"Shell" in smoking quality, and vastly more beautiful!

He is also always looking to buy used pipes, so if you wanna get rid of

"The Smoker's" hours are 8:00 AM-5:30 PM Mon.-Fri. and 9:00 AM-1:00 PM Sat.
Phone #: (518)462-1302

A week ago I finished reading Richard Carleton Hacker's "The Ultimate
Cigar Book."   Although much shorter than his "Ultimate Pipe Book,"
(around 250 pages versus 400), it is very informative and very well
written.  It talks about the history of cigars, the process that takes
tobacco from seed to finished cigar, how to choose and how to smoke a
good cigar, accessories like lighters, humidors, cutters, cases, etc.
and which spirits are good with which cigars. His last chapter is a
list of all of the world's cigar brands/factories that he could get
information on.

He does not rate individual cigars, using only his own "HPH" (Highly
Prejudicial Hackerscale from 1 to 3) rating, for cigars' intensity of
I think he is a little too "diplomatic," as if he doesn't want to offend
anyone (like "Stereo Review's" approach to reviewing equipment).
He even finds merit to many mass-produced, homogenized leaf cigars.
(Or at least that's the implication, since he does not slam those
foul- looking, tasting, and smelling cardboard contraptions.)
I would have much preferred a blind-tasting rating system a-la "Cigar
Aficionado," or even a personal preference scale like the one
Michael Jackson uses in his excellent "Guide to Single Malt Scotch!"
(Both scales go to 100.)  Oh, well..

So, even though the book didn't tell me anything I didn't know already
(or seen someplace else in the past), it was still appreciated for its
nice style, good pictures and the gathering of all that interesting
information in one place.  A "Must Have," for beginner and veteran alike.

Coming originally from Europe, and visiting there frequently, I have had
the good fortune to experience Cuban cigars since the age of sixteen.
(I quit smoking cigarettes at age twelve, after a brief experiment;
I knew even at that age, (lack of) quality. :-} I still drink wine though,
which I liked a lot since I was six.)

In general, I am of the opinion (that I wasn't the first to express, I'm
sure) that even with the relatively recent (last ten years or so) consistency
problems of the Cuban cigars, THE BEST CUBAN CIGAR IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE
BEST NON-CUBAN CIGAR.  Of course, there is a great spectrum of different
qualities among Cuban handmades, and except for the top 10%, for every Cuban
handmade, you can find a better non-Cuban cigar for one fifth to one tenth
the price.  (For example, IMHO, you'd have to spend $8 to $15 on a Cuban cigar
to beat the quality of the Arturo Fuente 8-5-8, $1.20 mail-order, and my
current price/quality champion.)  So, if you are going to buy a Cuban cigar,
it's worth it to buy only the best.  A "Cohiba," or a big "Hoyo," "Romeo Y
Julieta," "Partagas," "Punch," or "Montecristo," even at $30 to $50 MAY
be worth it to some people, because you can't get an equal quality for
less.  But don't waste your money on the cheaper Cubans.  Buy 5 to 10
Dominican "Arturo Fuentes" or  Honduran "Hoyos" for the same money

I've decided that I consider the "Arturo Fuente 8-5-8" my favorite
all-around cigar.  Oh, sure, a "Partagas #10" or "Excalibur #1" or
"JR Ultimate Double Corona" or "Arturo Fuente Hemingway" will give me much
more pleasure after a rich dinner or a specific Single Malt.  But on other
occasions those cigars can feel heavy and even a little harsh.
Not the "8-5-8!" It pleases me much more consistently (much less
variability in the pleasure I derive from it) than any other cigar. If the
above premium cigars let's say, ranged in pleasure from a 80 to a 97,
depending on the circumstances of the smoke, the "8-5-8" ranges only
from 87 to 92.
Make of that what you may!  That's my way of conceptualizing my
preferences in cigars.  Your milage may vary.

Smoke in peace,

Marios H. Agrotes

P.S.  Mel Feldman of "The Smoker" told me that some publisher in Buffalo
      is preparing a "cigar" magazine for publication, to compete with
      the "Cigar Aficionado!"  This new magazine, will reportedly be much
      more amenable to including articles about pipes than Shanken's "CA" is.

[ Wow! What a lot of great information! Thanks, Marios! -S. ]

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Preventing Dry Pipe Tobacco

I thought I'd share this with the Pipes list
and see if anyone else out there has comments.

If the tobacco in my pouch starts to feel a little
dry, I sprinkle a few of drops of water directly onto
the tobacco, then mix it up. This seems to keep the
tobacco  properly moist and doesn't seem to damage it.

Kam Kashani

[ We do this too, sometimes, but find it difficult to control the
humidity of the tobacco. Saturating it kills it, too. Any advice on
this? -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (NEIL MURRAY)
Subject: Pipes Digest #126 - Janua

Hello Steve,
    Once again, thanks for promoting the Agricultural and Mechanical
Gazette.  If Allan Janus will email me his address, I will send him a
sample copy.  The number of subscribers has been steadily increasing
over the years, five years in publication now, and it has been a long
strange trip for our pirates.  Yes Allan, as an Air & Space guy, you
might find the story interesting.  I must warn everyone that the story
has "some" satire and does tend toward the Richard Brautigan/Douglas
Adams/John Barth kind of strangeness.  The dirigible's computer by the
way uses magnetic core memory for ballast, which being ferrite works
quite well except when they dump ballast for altitude, which causes some
memory problems, but perhaps not unfamiliar to those who lived in PDP-11
land, or have tried tacking an OS/2 machine to a Novelle network.
    BTW we do cover a fair bit of the pipe news from the Hungarian pipe
clubs (and there is a lot of it) - we have a virtual monopoly in this
   Captain Black, by the way is a Lane Limited tobacco and is the most
popular of commercial blends.  They, Lane also sell it in bulk as BCA
which most pipe shops carry under various names.
    take care,  Neil

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From: Bruce Given     <??????????????????????????>
Subject: Cuban Davidoff's a Secret Stash !!!

If anybody is interested I heard from a good source ( a Friend that
works for Davidoff ) that the Canadian stores have a stash of cuban
Davidoff's that will be hitting the stores sometime in April as you
know after this there will be NO more .... I Got my name down
I could assist our american cousins in a box or two let me know...

Bruce Given

[ I'm sure some of our American cousins would be most interested!
Thanke! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????????????? (Edward N. Clark III)
Subject: Clippers and such

Perhaps I am stressing on the little things in life-grad students tend to do
that-but, I've always taken the clip of my cigar quite seriously.  One of my
leading critria for enjoyment is a cigar's draw.  If a cigar is not drawing
well it can almost be a chore to smoke, and a cigar's clip plays a big role
in draw.  My experiences with clipping began as Mark's did, with a small
$2.00 clipper that left a very ragged cut on one side of the cigar which
tended to flake apart as time went by and generally promoted unravelling of
the cigar.  I then moved up to a more expensive but, more effective clipper
that cut from but sides and left a very nice edge.  The beauty here is that,
unlike the $2.00 clipper, this one had a much larger opening, and could clip
even the largest ring gauges, and the clean edge didn't encourage
unravelling.  I, then, thought I'd seen everything when, on my first visit to
Leavitt and Peirce, they had a desk-top clipper at the register that gave a
very nice V-shaped cut.  The theory here is that it doesn't compromise the
wrapper and there is almost no chance for unravelling to occur.  It also
leaves "the rounded end" rounded.  At Leavitt's, they had hand clippers that
would make these V-shaped clips, but I didn't pusue this afterwards because I
really prefer the "customizing" you can get with the two-bladed hand clipper. 
There are a number of cigars, Avo's "Pyramide" and "Belicoso's", that put a
taper on the end to allow for different clips. But if you're careful you can
change the draw of almost any cigar to your preference.

Also, keep the snappy come-backs coming.  I had recent occasion to use one
while relaxing with close friends and a Machanudo "Portfino" at The Capital
Grille in Providence.  Not only did I have to withstand the hatpin jokes of
my friends ("Portos" are long and thin).  But the woman behind me just
wouldn't stop with the glancing comments.  So, since The Grille is listed in
Afficianado as "cigar friendly" I felt I had the green light to reply with
the "sight of someone enjoying themself" line. It was quite effective and I
certainly want to reference to proper sources.
				Ted Clark

[ I sent the entire list of snappy comebacks, as I'll do for anyone
who requests. See the bottom of today's Digest for another. Also see
H. Betz's article for more on cutters. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Re: #1(2) Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco

     I'm a poor college student at the University of Oregon and have just
recently started smoking cigars. I really love to get together with a friend
and chat over a good cigar. Because I am so new to this, I thought that your
mailing list could help me out a lot. I'm glad that there is a mailing list
on this topic because it is hard for a beginner like myself to get good
information on cigars. I would really appreciate it if you could send me some
of the back issues or any good info on cigars. Thank you very much,

Chris Cooper

[ Back issues 115-125 sent. Just keep listening, there are all kinds
of people who are willing to tell you all kinds of things. :-) -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????? (Jim Richmond)
Subject: cigars

  Was in my local smoke shop last night and noticed they are now carrying 
a brand called Zina. They look like a Davidoff (even the band looked the same).
I thought I saw the name Davidoff on the box and they certainly had the same 
price range; up to 7.50 ea. Can you or someone tell me something about them.
In the winter issue of CA, there was an ad for them but not much was said. If 
they are worth the money, can anyone suggest which of the numerous one that 
I should try? I ended up getting an Arturo Fuente numero2. I've never seen 
this one before but so far I haven't had an AF that disappointed me.

	        Jim Richmond
                Electronic Data Systems
                troy, Mich 48098

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From ??????????????????? Fri Jan 21 16:52:46 1994
Subject: Re:  Pipes Digest #126 -

STEVE!!! You only just now got around to reading the latest Pirates
episode???????  I know you have been enjoying your new peterson on a
full time basis, but do leave some time available for reading!!!
I have been converting all of the Gazette over to Microsoft Publisher
from Express Publisher, it gives me a lot more capabilities, but this is
really a lot of work.  Last night I was thinking about Hercules cleaning
out the stables, just an average publisher nightmare.

[ What can I say, Neil, I'm a slow reader... Ask the guy who wrote me
about a Peterson "Sherlock Holmes," whom I responded to five months
later... I'll do better next time, promise! -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

  (The Response Recidivist:) "My parole officer says it steadies my nerves."

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #127 - January 21, 1994
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994
  3. Subject: Re: Introduce myself, etc.
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994
  5. Subject: Esoterica Tobacciana
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 - January 14, 1994
  7. Subject: Pipes Digest
  8. Subject: Smoke, if you got 'em
  9. Subject: The Ultimate Cigar Book, "The Smoker" in Albany NY, 8-5-8
  10. Subject: Preventing Dry Pipe Tobacco
  11. Subject: Pipes Digest #126 - Janua
  12. Subject: Cuban Davidoff's a Secret Stash !!!
  13. Subject: Clippers and such
  14. Subject: Re: #1(2) Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco
  15. Subject: cigars
  16. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #126 -
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