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Subject: Pipes Digest #133 - March 7, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #133 - March 7, 1994
		     Circulation This Issue: 230

Welcome to new members:

	Marc L Williams		(???????????????????)
	???			(????????????????????????)
	Chuck Sanders		(????????????)
	Bob Durnbaugh		(????????????????????)
	S. Jeffery Koch		(????????????????)
	Daniel Sauder 		(????????????????????)
	Joshua Price 		(???????????????????)
	Richard Hoenes		(???????????????????????????????)

And a few important issues:

* This weekend, a special event:

		       The New York Pipe Club's
		       Second Annual Convention
		      Ramada Hotel Pennsylvania
		7th Ave. between 32nd and 33rd Streets
			     New York, NY
		      10-5 on Saturday, March 12
		       10-4 on Sunday, March 13
			   Admission $5.00

For more information, call Levin Pipes at 802-586-7744, or the Ramada
at 800-223-8585. Yours Truly will be there, this time without a broken
leg, trying to hawk a few items. Should be a good time!

* Since there have been no objections from the members, the Pipes
Digest shall henceforth and forthwith be gatewayed to the Pipes &
Cigars area of the Wine/Beer Forum on CompuServe. Welcome, new
readers, and feel free to pipe up anytime!

* I've updated the Resource Guide to reflect the past ten-or-so
Digests, and some other on-line resources never seen even here. Please
let me know if you'd like a revised copy.

* A few readers noticed that there was no Digest on Friday. This was
due to a minor problem with my SO's car, which mysteriously
disappeared before the mechanic could diagnose it. Dontcha luuuve
those? In any case, the car is fine now, and here's Digest #133.

So, after all that, let's all light 'un up and relax with...


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From: "Brian R. Zimmerman" <???????????>
Subject: Separate groups

It's getting about time to try the rec.tobacco group again, isn't
it.  I mean, with the amount of participation in this newsletter
(and a darn GOOD newsletter, too), rather than direct the frag-
mentation of it, how about giving another shot at a newsgroup?

While I don't smoke a pipe, I still enjoy some of the talk about
it.  And I do appreciate the hospitality of the pipe smokers for
having so much cigar talk.  Maybe the case is stronger now for
rec.tobacco.pipe, rec.tobacco.cigar, and rec.tobacco.loose.  Or
just plain rec.tobacco?
--
Brian R. Zimmerman [???????????] Standard disclaimers apply.
"Games and toys are the ultimate destiny of computers."

[ Work has gotten intense here, so I don't know how much time I'll
have to charge forth with another newsgroup proposal. Anyone want to
volunteer to spearhead the effort, when we can propose it again in
April? This time, I'd probably go for rec.misc.tobacco, to placate the
namespace purists -- or at least to deprive the antismokers of an
excuse to vote it down. -S. ]


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From: ???????????????? (Richard E. Byer)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994

> Has anyone ever suggested segregating Pipes Digest from a not-yet-
> created Cigar Digest?
> 
> I can't be the only subscriber who is interested in one but not in
> the other.

Personally, I enjoy both pipes and cigars, so I like having the topics 
combined.
 -- 
Rick Byer <????????????????>|   Pick one:
__  Surrounded, hell! I'm just in a target rich environment.
__  It's always darkest just before you step on the cat.
__  My advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.


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From: Ben Ricci/SL17/PA <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Cigars/Pipes section of the WINEFORUM

Steve,
Thanks for contacting me. We will attempt to cross post between Bacchus and
Internet Pipe Newsgroup. Sounds interesting! We'll see how things go.

Regards,
Ben

[ Looking forward to it, Ben! -S. ]


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From: "William H. Magill" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994

>   From: Ed Gregory <????????????????>
>   Subject: Pipes
>
>   Steve,
>     I'm not an enthusiast, but have a Cherokee friend who ekes out a bare 
>   existence recreating native artifacts, including a wide variety of pipes, 
>   using natural materials...
>     He does everything from raccoon paw medicine bags to custom-carved 
>   ceremonial pipes.
>     Not much of a businessman, though.
>     He travels the country, selling to museum gift shops, selling at pow 
>   wows, etc.
>     I'm trying to get a perspective for how this business is conducted and 
>   help him identify resources and marketing methods.
>
>   [ Maybe check out sales through the magazines? Sierra, Utne Reader,
>   etc. might be a good place for that sort of thing. -S. ]
>
Steve, Don't know if you want to put this in the digest, but...

I would say that the trick would be to join/affiliate with  a "guild."

I don't know the geographical area of your friend but here in the east
there are a number of "Craft Guilds." Several very strong ones in North
Carolina and Pennsylvania that I know of.

Basically, these are organizations of "craft persons" - whatever that
means. For example, my cousin makes plaster "models" of "famous" buildings,
paints them and sells them. They are "artistic" renderings of say,
Independence Hall. The guild runs a physical shop as well as a number
of "juried" events year long. A juried crafts show is where participation
is permitted only to people who are designated "craftsman" - essentially
to differentiate them from "flee market quality" stuff. Consequently the
goods produced - and the are everything from corn-husk dolls to fancy
cabinetry - command (potentially) higher prices than things simply sold
as "trinkets." Additionally, at on of these shows, the Artist pays a flat
fee to participate (varies depending on the show) and sells directly to the
public for whatever they want. The guild also has a number of "outlets"
(non affiliated commercial contacts) where a particular shop is looking for
a particular kind of goods. The guild acts as a clearing house putting the
artist in contact with stores looking for their kind of goods.

Generally speaking, however, this is a VERY hard way to make a living.
My cousin would put 5-10 hours into painting a house only to sell it for
$25 bucks! Pretty poor hourly wages WITHOUT counting materials costs.

The real problem is that except for the very top tier craftspeople, nobody
is willing to pay big bucks for something "hand made."

If you succeed in making a "gallery" contact - that can change. There the
gallery does the merchandising and pricing for you. The downside is that
you typically sell to the gallery low and they sell it high. Until they
sell "lots" and your name becomes known enough to create/attract a
following who will pay more money directly to you - it's pretty rough.

One other venue for your friend to explore - Scottish Highland games.
Virtually all of the "games" have a vendor area where almost anything can
be found, albite with a Celtic flavor. There are a couple of carvers and
sculptors who frequent many of the games. There are games held virtually
every weekend someplace in the US. 

One particular tie of interest here. One of the US Indian tribes (I don't
know which one) has a "license" from the Federal Government to sell,
especially, Eagle Feathers. A clan chief is entitled to wear one, two or
three feathers according to rank. This is a rather limited market, but
whenever one of those who are "Chief of the Name" is the guest of honor
at one of the games, his clansmen will often make a presentation to him (or
her) accordingly as they do wear out (get broken, mashed in travel, etc)
and are apparently NOT available in the UK!

The second related area is the "medicine bag" or as we call them "sporin."
In the Kilt "uniform" this is a large (typically about 8x8x2 inch bag worn
on a chain around the waist - which carries not only Scotch (for medicinal
purposes) but keys, matches, pocket knives, wallets, etc. - ie a handbag
or purse, if you will.

The "neat" sporins are animal head pelts. The head forms the flap which
hinges over the opening at the top. I happen to have one made of a muskrat.
A friend of mine has one made from a red fox - a gorgeous accouterment!

One final area... there is a magazine "Tantra."  Which despite its Taoist 
origins has made sizeable "New Age" inroads. (If you know Tantra, you can
guess why.) At any rate, the latest issue (it's a quarterly) has a number of
ads in it for spirit drums, ceremonial feather fans and the like.

T.T.F.N
William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Computing Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: ?????????????????????                   ???????????????????????????
          ???????????????? 

[ I don't know tantra, but I'm willing to give it a try... ;-) Thought
this was interesting enough to put in, even if it is a wee bit
off-topic. -S. ]


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From: "William H. Magill" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994

>   From: ?????????????????????????????
>   Subject: Cigar Humidor Wanted
>
>  The other item I'm looking for used is a Dunhill "theatere pipe."  It's 
>  black and the bowl is slightly flattened to slip into a suit jacket pocket. 

You can't have mine.... 

I have had a Comway "vest pocket pipe" for about 30 years now. It is more
than "slightly flattened!" The pipe is about 1" wide by 2" long and 2 1/2"
high with the stem "folded back. " The stem attaches "virtically" and when
"unfolded" looks like a "bent." Rotating the stem 180 degrees allows one
to, quite literally,  slide it into one's vest pocket. The stem is only
as long as the bowl is wide.

                          "========    
                +-------+ "
                |       | "
                |       +---+
                |           |
                +-----------+

It has a surprisingly large bowl (deep) and still smokes quite well.

T.T.F.N
William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Computing Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: ?????????????????????                   ???????????????????????????
          ???????????????? 
 

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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: cigar digest

Hello Steve,

I have no objection against a seperate cigar digest, but I will
also like to continue the pipe digest. It is just interesting
for me to read both things (And I do not want to miss the
stories of both Bill's!).

With regard to humidors: The Dutch Cigar Association
"Coupe-cigares" also did some investigating with regard to
humidors. They found out that the best humidity to preserve
cigars (European and cuban cigars) can be gained by using water
with salt. So not plain water. In this way the humidaity is at
the right level. Remeber the water must be satuarated with salt.

All the best,

Victor

[ Don't understand why the salt helps... in any case, there've been no
takers yet to start the hypothetical cigars-only group. -S. ]


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From: Neil Flatter <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994

>And, first off, we have a couple of administrative questions that I'd
>like your opinions on -- whether to create a cigars-only group, and
>whether to gateway the list to the Pipes & Cigars area of the
>Wine/Beer Forum on CompuServe. The relevant letters follow; enjoy!
>[ I replied to Robin, expressing some concerns about member privacy
>and the possibility of flame wars. He replied: ]

Although I much prefer pipes to cigars, I enjoy the extra information
about cigars once in a while.  If I don't have time, I just push the
PageDown button and it disappears.  I handle "flaming" in much the
same manner (unless it's truly deserved).  While I admit keeping the
two subjects together in one digest decreases the signal to noise
ratio for both groups, I'd probably join both groups if they were to
separate.  As far as CompuServe posting goes, the more the merrier.
Other groups (such as the homebrewers) run a mailing group which
posts to a UseNet news group.  There is some commonality, but mostly
it gives me more information.  That's why I join a group like this in
the first place, to share ideas, opinions, and resources.

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>From: ???????????????????????????????? (Edward N. Clark III)
>Subject: Wooden Shoes and all that...
>
>WOW!  Quite a collection of info to glean from Digest #130!  I'm almost out
>the door to pick up a Meerschaum and desert the cigars for good, but I'll
>have to think about it over a Fuente.
>
>Lastly, I've just racked off a batch of a Dutch Lager that SHOULD be quite
>nice.  I sampled some at a brew store and tried to recreate the recipe.  And,
>so, to round out the "international thing" I'm looking for some suggestions
>on some nice Dutch cigars to complement.  The beer is heavily hopped and will
>be on the bitter side, not as sharp a stout, but I'm trying for the "Heineken
>thing".

I hope you decided on the meershaum even though a Dutch Freehand
might be a better ethnic pairing.  Perhaps an English blend so the
Latakia will stand up to the hops.  How dark is this beer?  The stout
only accomidates the heavy hopping because it is such a heavy style.
If you've made a lager with only 4-6 IBU's, maybe a Virginia would be
better to round out the flavor.  My personal favorite is a stout made
with lots of Black Patent malt and a Roasted Cavendish.
--------------
  Neil Flatter                 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
  Chemistry - Math (CMA)       Department of Chemistry
  Novell Supervisor            Chemistry Stockroom Manager
  ???????????????????????????      (812) 877 - 8316


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From: "Don S. Johnson" <???????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994

Steve: As a pipe smoker AND a cigar smoker I'd object to having the NL split
into two. Bandwidth accessibility is getting precious and I don't want to be
forced to choose. As a Compu$serve section leader in a couple of forums I
certainly have no objection to the NL being shared on the wine/beer forum
there. Of course you realize that you'll be making more money for the Wizops
on that forum by increasing forum traffic.
 
Re the great moisturizing debate: Here's the way I was taught a couple of
hundred years ago. Empty your pouch, container etc. into a mixing bowl. Take
a spray bottle and gently spray the _top_ of the pile of tobacco. Mix
thoroughly with your hands. Blot tobacco with paper towels and replace in
pouch. Works fine without adding flavor the way slices of apple/orange/etc.
do. BTW I keep my tobacco in a ceramic container from Gevalia designed to
hold coffee. Has an airtight seal; works fine. Gevalia gave the container
away as a premium for buying two one-lb. samples of their coffee.
 
dsj

[ I have some, ah, arid tobak, upon which I'll try the
bowl-and-spritzer method tonight! And we wouldn't split the mailgroup,
ever, in the sense of rejecting cigar articles from the Pipes Digest
or partitioning the membership list. Just wanted to entertain the
thought that someone would like to start up an offshoot, specialty
list for cigars only. -S. ]


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From: Jeff Pitblado <?????????????????????>
Subject: members at ucsb

Steve,

Is it possible you could send me the name of any other members who are
at UCSB? I was thinking about getting a school sponsored club going
(you know, like Greenpeach, NOW, etc.).  Thanks.

Jeff Pitblado
?????????????????

[ I checked the membership, and you're the only member with a UCSB
address. However, a college fine-tobacco club sounds like a great
idea! Someone tried to start a cigar club at Rutgers, and I've kicked
myself a few times for not attending. Members: If you're at an .edu
site, and would like the companionship and support of fellow smokers,
why not put an ad in the campus daily and start your own club? -S. ]


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From: Jeff Pitblado <?????????????????????>
Subject: mailing *stuff* into the US

I will be in Europe this summer and being a cigar smoker, would like
to bring back some momentos that I cannot otherwise get here in the
states.  Since I'm sure that my suitcase will be full and I won't have
enough room in it I was wondering if there are any problems with
mailing them back home.  Disclaimer for any government employees who
might read this: I am in no way going to bring any illegal contraband
into the country.  You have my word on it.

Hope this fits the bill Steve.

Jeff Pitblado
?????????????????

[ It does indeed, Jeff! And, of course, this Digest does not support
illegal activities. Bon voyage! -S. ]


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From: JOSEPH MAXIMILLIAN MURPHY <???????????????>
Subject: The continuing saga...

Well, I went to the Tinder Box in Rockville, and quickly got to the bottom of
the little tiny holes in my pipe. Most of them look like pinpricks, but some
seem to be growing larger along the grain. (See where this is going yet,
Watson?) Well, the guy at the shop informed me of my basic problem: my pipe is
not made of briar. Those little holes are some characteristic of whatever
wood(s) my "composition" pipe is made of, and a signal that sooner or later,
I'm going to have one busted pipe. Oh well, the thing cost me less than 15
bucks, and now I know I like pipe smoking well enough to get a good one. Does
anyone know if there's a way to save this thing other than retire it
completely? Being that it's my first pipe and all, I'd like not to lose it.

Which brings up another question: why are there no Tinder Boxes in the Resource
Guide? Is it just a prejudice against chains? Which is OK with me; I try to
support the small businessman, and I know the large business is easy enough to
find in the Yellow Pages. Just wondering. It is kind of interesting to note,
though, that the one in White Flint Mall in Rockville, MD, is the _only_
smoking area in the mall. It's in their lease that the right to smoke in the
tobacconist's shop shall not be abridged. Let's hear it for the crafty
entrepreneur!

As for separating cigars into their own list, I'd really prefer only to
subscribe to one digest. I'm not discouraging anyone from starting their own
group; I'm just appealing that no smoker of good will ever be run out of this
group. Hey, a good blend is the secret to good smoking!

OK, that was corny enough to make me shut up. See ya in the smoking lounge...
-Murph                   "Takes more than combat gear to make a man;
???????????????           Takes more than a licence for a gun."
			  (-Sting, "Englishman in New York")


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From: ????????????????? (William Patterson)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994

Steve:
I am new to the newsgroup (#131 was my first issue). I really
did enjoy the pipe digest and found it a refreshing change from some
of the "flame fests" that you see on alt.smokers. Regarding the
suggested separate cigars-only newsgroup, it seems it would be
a sound idea. As a "pipe only" smoker, I know little about cigars
and I am sure that there are many cigar smokers out there that have
little interest in pipes. In any case, that's my 0.02 cents worth.
By the way, can anyone suggest a decent tobacco shop in northwest
NJ? I lived in the DC area for many years and really miss G'town
tobacco on M St. Maybe one of the newsgroup subscribers can suggest
a comparable shop in my locale. Keep up the good work.
W.E.Patterson

[ Thanks, and welcome, William! Don't know about northwest NJ, but
there are good ones in Somerville and the Princeton area. -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????
Subject: PipeWorks & Wilke closing &c.

I have been reading and enjoying the digest long enough; it's time I
contributed. First, some comments on questions from #132.

As a pipe smoker only, I generally skip over the cigar discussions in the
digest. If there is enough interest, a separate digest might be in order for
cigar smokers. (I don't object to cigars, I just don't have any interest in
them).

As far as archiving on CIS, I see no harm in it; you are unlikely to get any
contributions from CIS'ers, however. A number of CIS fora collect
internet-distributed mailings and news in their libraries. They are typically
used more for reference than avid reading as far as I can tell.

My other news is a mailing I just got from Pipeworks & Wilke in NYC. As you
probably know, Pipeworks was originally the shop of Elliot Nachwalter, who is
a skilled pipemaker. A number of years ago he bought the Wilke pipe shop on
Madison Avenue. He continued both for a while, then closed the Madison Ave
shop, leaving only his shop on West 55th Street. The announcement I received
says that he is now closing the 55th street shop, and will do mail order
business only out of Manchester, Vermont. For the month of February, he is
running a closing sale of all merchandise in the 55th street shop. Discounts
range from 30% on his own pipes (which generally range from $50 to $1,500) to
60% on third party merchandise. In addition to his personal line and the
Wilke line, the shop specializes in high quality estate pipes. The sale is
available by telephone; you can call the shop and they will describe what is
available in your price range. If you order anything and don't like it, it is
returnable. While I will miss the shop, the sale is nice. I visited him on
Feb 28th, and I'll probably be back a couple more times before he closes.

Larry

[ Too bad about PW&W, Larry! But maybe our readers can do some bargain
hunting. -S. ]


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From: ???????????????????????? (James Dollar)

Dear Steve

My name is Vance Burns and I receive hard copy of this mailing from Mr
Dollar so I asked him to post this info.

I am, by preference, a pipe smoker but I do enjoy reading about others
interest in cigars (I hold an R&J as I type). Please don't separate
it. It's no trouble, and frankly, there isn't enough on pipes to speak
of. You need the cigar folks to fill it up.

To help out a little:

I enjoy pipes of all brands and english style tobaccos. But after
acquiring my umpteenth pipe I discovered tobacco books. Already a book
buyer, I found tobacco related material added much pleasure to my
enjoyment of the craft. I got started indirectly by my interest in
George Simenon's character Inspector Maigret. Maigret's ever present
pipe, and his meditations on it captured my interest. 50+ novels
later, and still going. 

The best book for the pipe smoker is Carl Ehwa's "The Book of Pipes
and Tobacco". Full of salient and obscure information not to mention
still photos of fine wood that are in themselves an art form. I've
ended up with three copies. If you are familiar with the McClelland
tobacco, Carl's widow, Mary, is the owner.

I recently purchased a few books from a dealer in tobacco antiquariana
and hit upon a real gem. The book is Sublime Tobacco by Compton
Mackenzie, 1957 London, 357p. Certainly gifted (the fly lists over 40
other non tobacco works by Mr. Mackenzie) it is without a doubt the
best account of tobacco history I've come across. The first 62 pages
are entitled "Prologue: My Smoking Life" and are some of the most
entertaining stories I've ever read. In the remaining pages Compton
details the record of the herb from it's beginnings to its post WWII
heyday. Throughout he rails against the British tax system, a kindred
spirit to smokers and non. He chronicles pipe, cigar, cigarette, snuff
(he made snuff interesting), and variants. Highly recommended, if you
can find it.

I shall end with a little vignette. In the early 1800's two ministers,
one a rather poor parson and the other a blue blood (I remember his
name was Thorn) where traveling together via coach. Thorn, having run
short of his own custom made smokes, requested a cigar from his poorer
companion. After a few puffs he threw it out the carriage window and
exclaimed "Anyone who would smoke a cigar that bad would steal!"

Thanks
Vance

[ Thanks for the note, Vance, and I quite agree that Ehwa's book is
worth having. -S. ]


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From: Daniel Sauder <????????????????????>
Subject: Let me shake your hand

  I am a connisuer (foolish French word) of pipe tobacco and I enjoy my
old burly Comoy with much pleasure.  I'm running to and fro over the land
looking for others who share my great interest in one of the simplest, yet
most rewarding pleasures.  

Please contact me.

[ Consider yourself contacted, and thanks! -S. ]


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From: Daniel Sauder <????????????????????>
Subject: PROFILE OF A PIPESMOKER

Dear Steve:

		Here is some basic information about me and my world of
pipes and tobacco.  My first and favorite pipe is a black sandblast Comoy
Rockroot.  It smokes excellent and gleams with beauty.  I also have 2
Petersons, which are excellent as well.  

 		As for tobacco blends, my favorite is a local blend
called "Blackberry Cordial."  The aroma is divine, and the flavor.....I
cannot begin to describe it.  My favorite tobacco shop is Cascade News and
Tobacco.  They boast the largest humidor in the Pacific Northwest, which
is pretty profound.  I also associate myself with the T. Wittacker Tobacco
shops sometimes, as well.  Another favorite blend that I enjoy (the name
varies from shop to shop) is a straight heavy vanilla black Cavedish. 
This, I think has the sweetest flavor one can find.

		I believe that just as a bride is meant for her husband so
is the pipesmoke meant for the fireplace (in which fragnant wood is burning).
Or perhaps the shady pattio on a warm summer's evening.

In pipes and tobacco, 
Daniel Octavian Romulus Tiberius Sauder U/~

[ Yes, when I buy a house, a fireplace would be worth having... -S. ]


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From: Joshua Price <???????????????????>
Subject: A man and his pipe.

I have received glad tidings from a brother here at Oregon State
University of this splendid address.  Let me tell you about my view of a pipe.

A man and his pipe, who can separate?  What two things are more enjoyable
around a warm fire with man's best friend and his calabash gourd reading
fine literature?  Not much I say.  (This is all quite spur of the moment)

Well, long live the 54th!


Josh Price           ???????????????????


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From: Robert Ewart <??????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

Thanks for putting me on your mailing list.  I've found the issues very 
interesting.  I'm all in favor of someone starting a Cigars-only digest 
as I'm a pipe smoker.  I do enjoy a cigar once in a while, but I've been 
a pipe smoker since the third weekend in May 1958.  Over the years I've 
acquired a large number of pipes.  In addition to the usual briars and 
meerschaums, there's a few made of cherry wood, zebrawood, rosewood, 
olive, bubinga and a calabash.  I've had clay pipes, but I kept chewing 
off the stems.  Does anyone remember Baronite pipes?  

I've seen the humidor thread in the rec.woodworking newsgroup, but down 
here in south Florida keeping tobacco from drying out is not a problem.  
I'm more interested in making pipe racks.  I've tried my hand at carving 
pipes.  It gives you a real feel for how hard briar really is.

If you get down to south Florida, I recommend a visit to Bennington 
Tobacco.  Jim is second generation in the business and is quite 
knowledgeable about cigars and pipes.  He has a huge walk-in humidor 
stocked with all sorts of good cigars, including Davidoff.  He also has a 
large selection of pipes by Comoy, Dunhill and others.  He's put on some 
interesting shows in the store from time to time.  One of the better was 
a Floridian wood sculptor turned pipe-maker, Randy Wiley.  Randy brought 
down some roughed out pipes and was working on them as we talked.  He has 
a real feel for how to get the best out of the grain of the pipe and they 
smoke great.  

The store is located in the Royal Palm Plaza at 501 SE Mizner Blvd, Boca 
Raton, FL, 33432-6003.  The family's original store is located at 
5 Fillmore Dr/St Armands, Sarasota, FL 34236-1425.  I know you'll get a 
friendly welcome.  They also do mail order.  You should add them to your 
list.

Have you heard any rumors about a $15/pound sin tax that Clinton is 
proposing on pipe tobacco? 

Bob Ewart                             ??????????????????????
Boca Raton, FL

[ Yes, we have. But that's not the worst of it. We've also heard that
the FDA is talking about classifying nicotine as a drug.. thereby
immediately outlawing many forms of tobak. Write your congressthing --
I did! Ask me if you need a list of their names.

And if he/she makes inane arguments about children, as Senator
Lautenberg did to me, tell 'em what I wish I had. I don't want to see
any kids hurt, and wouldn't consciously do things to hurt them. But,
when they grow up, I'd want my kids to have the same freedom we've had
to make our own choices in life -- for better or for worse, like
adults. We don't need Uncle Sam to be our lifetime nanny. It's not in
his job description, anyway. -S. ]


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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(The Lie Circimstantial:) "Were I smoking, your request, however rude,
might be worthy of reply."

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,
				  1987. 


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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #133 - March 7, 1994
  2. Subject: Separate groups
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994
  4. Subject: Re: Cigars/Pipes section of the WINEFORUM
  5. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994
  7. Subject: cigar digest
  8. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994
  9. Subject: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994
  10. Subject: members at ucsb
  11. Subject: mailing *stuff* into the US
  12. Subject: The continuing saga...
  13. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #132 - February 25, 1994
  14. Subject: PipeWorks & Wilke closing &c.
  15. Subject: Let me shake your hand
  16. Subject: PROFILE OF A PIPESMOKER
  17. Subject: A man and his pipe.
  18. Subject: Pipes Digest
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