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Subject: Pipes Digest #134 - March 11, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #134 - March 11, 1994
		     Circulation This Issue: 233

Welcome to new members:

	Peter Thibodeau		(???????????????????????)
	Richard Pineda		(?????????????????????????)
	tess12345		(?????????????????)
	Dr. Jeff Stuyt		(????????????????????)
	Brian J Schuth		(?????????????????)

And, if you're in or around New York, hope to see you at the New York
Pipe Club convention at the Ramada Hotel Pennsylvania (7th between
32nd and 33rd Streets). I'll be there Saturday, doing an article for
the A&M Gazette at the urging of Neil Murray, as well as selling some
buttons and showing the Gazette to potential subscribers. Stop by and
say hi if you come!

And if not, light 'un up for a Digest of poetry, hi-tech pipes, and
old salts... -S.

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From: Daniel Sauder <????????????????????>
Subject: nagging questions

	Dear Steve:
		 Lately, I have heard much talk about replenishing mositure
 to dryed tobacco.  I question, would it be wise or foolish to store
tobacco in a refrigerator to keep it fresh?  It seems to me that it would
be a trifle bit too cold, but I really don't know.

Long live King Briar!
Daniel Sauder ~\U   

[ Might dry it out... can you imagine having freezer burn as well as
tongue burn? :-) -S. ]

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From: Daniel Sauder <????????????????????>
Subject: Words of Wisdom


			   Yes, Dear,
		           I fear
                           I love another, strange to say.
                           This pet,
                           And I am with her night and day.
                           Just now,
                           I vow,
                           I pressed her fondly to my lips;
                           The kiss 
                           Was bliss
                           And thrilled me to my finger tips!
                           Don't pout!
                           She's out
                           And you are sweeter, love by far,
                           By Jo!
                           "She" was an awful good cigar!
Digest this at your leisure.
Daniel Sauder

[ Also see, of course, Rudyard Kipling's classic, which may be buried
in the archives somewhere. Just found it... Pipes Digest #96. Oh, what
the heck, here it is again... -S. ]

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			  by Rudyard Kipling

	    'You must choose between me and your cigar' -
		*Breach of Promise Case, circa* 1885.

Open the old cigar-box, get me a Cuba stout,
For things are running crossways, and Maggie and I are out.

We quarrelled about Havanas - we fought o'er a good cheroot,
And *I* know she is exacting, and she says I am a brute.

Open the old cigar-box - let me consider a space;
In the soft blue veil of the vapour musing on Maggie's face.

Maggie is pretty to look at - Maggie's a loving lass,
But the prettiest cheeks must wrinkle, the truest of loves must pass.

There's peace in a Larranaga, there's calm in a Henry Clay;
But the best cigar in an hour is finished and thrown away -

Thrown away for another as perfect and ripe and brown -
But I could not throw away Maggie for fear o' the talk o' the town!

Maggie, my wife at fifty - grey and dour and old -
With never another Maggie to purchase for love or gold!

And the light of Days that have Been the dark of the Days that Are,
And Love's torch stinking and stale, like the butt of a dead cigar -

The butt of a dead cigar you are bound to keep in you pocket -
With never a new one to light tho' it's charred and black to the socket!

Open the old cigar-box - let me consider a while.
Here is a mild Manila - there is a wifely smile.

Which is the better portion - bondage bought with a ring,
Or a harem of dusky beauties, fifty tied with a string?

Counsellors cunning and silent - comforters true and tried,
And never a one of the fifty to sneer at a rival bride?

Thought in the early morning, solace in time of woes,
Peace in the hush of the twilight, balm ere my eyelids close,

This will the fifty give me, asking nought in return,
With only a *Suttee's* passion - to do their duty and burn.

This will the fifty give me. When they are spent and dead,
Five times other fifties shall be my servants instead.

The furrows of far-off Java, the isles of the Spanish Main,
When they hear my harem is empty will send me my brides again.

I will take no heed to their raiment, nor food for their mouths withal,
So long as the gulls are nesting, so long as the showers fall.

I will scent 'em with best vanilla, with tea will I temper their hides,
And the Moor and the Mormon shall envy who read of the tale of my brides.

For Maggie has written a letter to give me my choice between
The wee Little whimpering Love and the great god Nick o'Teen.

And I have been servant of Love for barely a twelvemonth clear,
But I have been Priest of Cabanas a matter of seven year;

And the gloom of my bachelor days is flecked with the cheery light
Of stumps that I burned to Friendship and Pleasure and Work and Fight.

And I turn my eyes to the future that Maggie and I must prove,
But the only light on the marshes is the Will-o'-the-Wisp of Love.

Will it see me safe through my journey or leave me bogged in the mire?
Since a puff of tobacco can cloud it, shall I follow the fitful fire?

Open the old cigar-box - let me consider anew -
Old friends, and who is Maggie that I should abandon *you*?

A million surplus Maggies are willing to bear the yoke;
And a woman is just a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.

Light me another Cuba - I hold to my first sworn vows.
If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!

[ Copped from alt.quotations; Simon Read (????????????????????), who
is not on the pipes list, posted originally. -S. ]

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From: Ib Fagerlund <???????????????????>
Subject: Digest article

Several people has asked, here in the Digest, or directly to me, where to
find a good pipe shop and/or places worth-a-visit in Denmark. I just put a 
small list together of the most interresting shops/museums in the Copen-
hagen area.
If you always wanted a first, danish handmade don't miss these shops while
visiting our country. The prize level of these pipes is far lower than in the
US. A true, first handmade can be purchased for around 1500-3000 kr. (220-
440 US$). Stanwell's and Georg Jensen's sell for 150-1500 kr. (22-220 US$) 
in Denmark. More expensive pipes can be found off cause, but they are rare.
If you need more detailed info, feel free to drop me a note...

Phone: (+45) 32 50 28 20
Gents Shop
Copenhagen Airport, toll free area.
2770 Kastrup
Description:	 The shop is located in the toll free shopping area of the
Copenhagen Airport (only accessible if you arrive/leave on international
flights). A good choice of danish handmades, Dunhill's, Peterson's,
Stanwell's a.o..
The prize level is basicly the same as in Copenhagen.

Phone: (+45) 31 86 05 23
Storm P. Museum
Frederiksberg Runddel
2000 Frederiksberg
Description:	Museum for the late humorist/author/painter Storm P..
The collection contains paintings, comic strips (mainly in danish) and
his about 700 pipes. Most of these are on display now. Here is a large
collection of ethnic and peculiar pipes + his daily smoked pipes from
the first half of this century. This museum is a must !
10 minutes by car from the center of Copenhagen.

Phone: (+45) 33 12 20 50
W.O. Larsen
Amagertorv 9
1160 Copenhagen K
Description:	 One of the large tobacconists of Copenhagen. You will find
most pipe brands produced or imported to Denmark. Also a large choice of
tobak's (this *is* the danish term for tobacco, Steve); around 300 brands.
Just beside the shop, they have a small, but exclusive pipe museum.
Located on the pedestrian street "Stroeget" in the center of Copenhagen.

Phone: (+45) 33 14 09 22
Paul Olsens Tobaksblanderi
Gammel Moent 4
1117 Copenhagen K
Description:	 This is the only tobacconist shop in Denmark, where you
can get your own blend of tobacco. The shop keeps a, still updated, log book
of custom blends and long gone factory blends. If you never tasted Dunhill's
"Mister Alfreds Own", John Cottons "No. 1&2 Mixture" etc., they can mix it 
for you. The shop also offers a number of fine cigars and top quality pipes.
The pipe choice includes Bang, Hedegaard, Winslow, Stanwell, Savinelli, Ashton
a.o.. The interior of the shop alone is worth the visit.
Within 2 minutes walking distance from "Stroeget".

Phone: (+45) 33 12 00 46
Center Of Danish Pipes (Remo Soerensen)
Nygade 4
1164 Copenhagen K
Description:	 Large choice of danish pipes. Located on the pedestrian street

Happy trip to Denmark (don't miss Tivoli and The Little Mermaid).

About the World Championship in Pipesmoking, October 8'th - 9'th, Copenhagen:
Only members of a pipeclub associated to CIPC (ComitM-E International des Pipe
Clubs) can participate. This can be arranged though, by joining the Nordic
Smokers Guild (annual fee 200 kr. / 30 US$).
For those of you i promised information about the event, the mailing will take
place in late april.

Email> ???????????????????

[ Teriffic, Ib! I've had a little correspondence with Ole Larsen and
his daughter, Anne, in the past. This'll certainly be destined for the
resource guide. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????? (Steve Beaty)
Subject: review of a Kirsten pipe...

	i recently got a Kirsten pipe, and thought i'd review it for the
	list.  i got the address from the pipes resource directory and
	called and asked for a catalog.  i talked to a very nice woman
	on the other end, and the catalog came a couple of days later.
	Kirsten pipes have a so-called "Radiator" stem that is supposed
	to remove the steam from the smoke.  it's made of aircraft-grade
	aluminum, and looks way cool.  i bought a 0.25 bent "Horizon"
	which has a small stem, a medium briar bowl, and a Ebonite
	mouthpiece.  they also have straight and full bent stems in black,
	silver, and brass finishes.  bowls are available in medium,
	large, and extra large.  medium is a good size for me as i
	usually don't want to spend a lot of time on a bowl full.  cost:
	$35.00 plus a little shipping.	sent in the supplied order form,
	and got the pipe a week later; good turn around i thought.

	mine's all black, and i like it a lot.	i'm rather new to pipes,
	but this one seems to taste better than most of the other ones
	i have.  i don't know if it's the "Radiator" or not.  maybe it's
	just that it looks high-tech, and that i'm a techno-geek.  either
	way, one of these and a supply of Thompson's "Cherry Laurel"
	and i'm a happy man.  it also seems to keep itself lighted better
	than some other pipes of mine, which is a bonus.

	Kirsten Pipes, P. O. Box 70526, Seattle WA, 98107-0526
	(206) 783-0700

Steve "When in doubt, logout" Beaty                         ?????????????????
Cray Computer Corporation                     ???????????????????????????????
1110 Bayfield Drive                                        tel (719) 540-4129
Colorado Springs, Colorado, 80906                          fax (719) 540-4028 

[ More for the Resource Guide! I've seen Kirsten pipes in Popular
Mechanics and similar magazines for ages. Thanks for the info! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Rex Wockner)
Subject: cigar newsgroup


Not having the time myself to administer a mailing list, I have instead 
successfully created a USENET newsgroup.

It is called:


It is up and running.



[ We have it at Rutgers (the site I read alt.smokers from), but it's
empty there. Maybe our membership can generate a little cigar traffic?
Good luck, Rex! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????????????? (Richard Hoenes)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #133 - March 7, 1994

Our moderator writes:
> [ Yes, we have. But that's not the worst of it. We've also heard that
> the FDA is talking about classifying nicotine as a drug.. thereby
> immediately outlawing many forms of tobak. Write your congressthing --
> I did! Ask me if you need a list of their names.

I read on rec.smokers that cigars and pipe tobacco tend to have
little nicotine in them because the nicotine breaks down during the
aging process. Anyone know if this is true or not? (Unfortunately due
to local news server problems I no longer receive alt.smokers so I
couldn't follow the discussion there.)


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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: humidor and saltwater

Hello Steve,

You asked why the salt in the proposed humidor. That is to
garanteed a stable 70% of humidity in the humidor. If you only
put water in a humidor, all water will evaporate (in principle
there is no other limit then 100%;-). In case of a saturated water
salt solution, there exist a natural equilibrium of 70% humidity
above the water/salt solution.

And because 70% seems to be the optimal humidity, this should
be a good start.

All the best,


[ Thanks for the info, but I still don't understand the mechanism,
Victor. Perhaps one of our chemically astute readers could help me
out? -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(The Retort Courteous, to female jerk:) "My cigar is beautifully made,
gives pleasure, and is silent. You, madam, posess two of these virtues."

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #134 - March 11, 1994
  2. Subject: nagging questions
  3. Subject: Words of Wisdom
  4. Subject: Digest article
  5. Subject: review of a Kirsten pipe...
  6. Subject: cigar newsgroup
  7. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #133 - March 7, 1994
  8. Subject: humidor and saltwater
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