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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #138 - April 8, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #138 - April 8, 1994
		     Circulation This Issue: 286

Welcome to new members:

	Neil Firetog		(??????????????)
	Ed Friedman		(????????????????)
	Mark Carlson		(???????????????????)
	???			(??????????????????)
	???			(??????????????)
	Andreas Krebs		(????????????????????)
	Joseph J. A. Herro	(?????????????????????????)

And, as several observed, some of the "new members" last week were,
ah, not exactly clamoring for admission to the Pipes Mailgroup... The
first week of April is often like that. However, we do have some good
news to report... I've proposed a new newsgroup, "alt.smokers.pipes,"
and will create it on April 15 unless someone manages to talk me out
of doing so. Ah, the beauty of the alt. hierarchy... light up as we

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ????????????????????? (Alec D. Plotkin)
Subject:  RE: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994

>	C. Everett Koop, M.D.	(????????????????????)
>	Henry Waxman		(?????????????????)

Did these people really subscribe? I hope it was only humor.


Villanova University

[ No, they didn't. It was, after all, April 1... -S. ]

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994

Regarding Mike Guentzel's question about
whether to buy a Peterson or a Comoy: I have
pipes from both companies and they are both nice.
However, I think I would give the nod to the Peterson
for overall quality. But they are both fine pipes.

Also, I noticed on the list of new members:

> 	C. Everett Koop, M.D.	(????????????????????)

April Fools, eh?


[ Yes. BTW, I got the 8-5-8s yesterday, and at least one of them did
_not_ go bang. Thanks! -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????????????? (William Patterson)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994

I really have been enjoying the "Pipes Digest" but I have
a hard time with C. Everett Koop as a new member...of course
this digest is dated April first hmmmm. Maybe that's what
we need though, a pipe smoking Surgeon General. I hope that
something can be done to stop this governmental meddling, or
before long we will all be smoking our last bowlful. There
is even a movement getting started to prohibit smoking
in open outdoor areas. Write your Congressman today....
(could be too late tomorrow).
Ed Patterson

[ I quite agree, Ed. But the way it's going with Janet Reno, we'll
decriminalize pot and criminalize tobacco. What a Wacky Country... -S. ]

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From: Gregory Pease <??????????????>
Subject: It just don't get better than this...

Wednesday brought about an unexpected joy.  After teaching two kid's
Kung Fu classes in the afternoon, with the kids a bit more rambunctious
than usual, this being Spring and all, I was in the mood for a relaxing
evening.  I asked my date if she would let me cook dinner for her,
rather than going out, which she found to be a delightful proposition.
After a refreshing Martini, I set about to prepare our repast.  A bottle 
of 1985 Crozes Hermitage annointed the soul, and the chicken Veronique
satisfied at least one of the hungers.  We spoke of all the wonderful
things one speaks about over romantic interludes. 

Supper finished, I built a fire and opened a 1980 Quinto do Noval Porto.
What goes quintessentially well with port?  A fine cigar, of course.  But, 
alas, I didn't suggest this.  

Now, this woman had commented before on how much she enjoys the smell 
of my pipe;  clearly the marque of a woman of discerning tastes.  When
I was selecting the wine for dinner, I gave her a bit of a historical 
tour of the wine cellar, followed by a glimpse of the humidor, in which
I have several hundred cigars ageing to perfection.  (I began buying 
twice as many cigars as I would smoke when I worked as a tobacconist.
These days, I more often turn to the pipe, though I still maintain a 
good supply of cigars, just in case a war breaks out, and I'll need 
supplies to tide me over. ;)

The fire crackled, and the port warmed.  "Would it be alright if we
shared a cigar?" she asked, as we looked deeply into one another's
firelit eyes.   

I'll say this: I have never enjoyed a cigar as much.

Smoke in Peace,

Perhaps Bill needs to romance Hillary a bit more...

[ I agree with the subject line entirely, Gregory! BTW, if you make it
permanent, I'll send you both a box of your favorites. Good luck! -S. ] 

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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: Re: warning -- politics ahead

Hello all of you,

I just want to react on the politics! I see a very dangerous
direction US is going to take. Is that freedom to choose for
yourself? And furthermore, because the europeans are eager to
follow the steps of the 'highle developed' US, I foresee the
same messures in Europe, and that freightens me:-(

I hope you are able to stop this development (is it
development:-(?), in your country. I though that your president
had also a e-mail-box, why not send him some e-mail ot better a
free copy of the digest! If you do not know the e-mail of your
presendent, I can find out;-)

BUt to elaborate a little bit more on smoking:
- oke, smoking things is for your own health not good
(irregardless of what you smoke). So this increases the medical
- smoking gives me a moment of quietnees. So less stress, and
perhaps less costs for medical affairs.
- smoke can be terrible for SOME people, if they have some
kind of alergy or asthma. We as smoker should know that, and
not be blund on this kind of people. They have the right on
clear air.
- a lot of people just do not like smoking, because they don't
like seeing people smoke. They want to deprive us from smoking,
that that is BAD, because of a lesser personal freedom. These
should be convinced of other thoughts.

Just a comparison with something else. How many people die form
driving cars (as active cardrivers or as passive walkers/etc.)?
What does that cost on medical things?
Furthermore what about the polution (acid rain). I heard that
25% of the acid rain is due to car driving. That is also a kind
of passive effect through cardriving. What is that costing us
or will cost us?! I know already, that lots of woods in Europe
are dead because of the acid rain (and 25% due to cardriving).

Why do the people not work on that! Is that not a more
profitable area of work? Why work on smoking
cigars/pipes/cigattes, while the same people drive around with
cars that smell badly (certainly for e.g. asthmetic people),
kills a lot of people and produces a lot of acid rain. 

I know, comparision are always bad, but in some way we have to
stop this mad thing about nor being able smoking a peacefull 
If people have ideas how this discussion shoulk be leveled,
please let us know. If US can not stop this mad idea about
smoking, Europe should be able to do it!

All the best,


[ Victor, thanks for your efforts, but I don't think emailing Clinton
is going to do much good. As Carly Simon once sang, "You know, you
can't talk to a man / when he don't want to understand." Far more
effective would be letters to the editor, rebuttal time on TV, or
organization. I hope you, and all our European readers, will act to
stop persecution before it gains a stronghold -- the U.S. government
and culture doesn't always do the best thing. -S. ]

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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>

------- Forwarded Message

Date:    Sat, 02 Apr 1994 10:59:28 -0500
From:    ????????????????????????????
To:      Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Re: warning -- politics ahead

[ deletia ]

     Now that Phase Two of our project is complete, we are proud 
to announce the Internet address for obtaining White House 
documents and publications.  The address is:


To receive instructions, please send a message to 
??????????????????????????? (**do not "reply" to the memo you are 
now reading**).  In the body of your message, type "Send Info" 
(without quotes); no other text is necessary.  The instructions 
will be sent to you automatically.  

[ ... ]


     	       	    	 Stephen K. Horn
     	       	    	 Presidential Email

[ Victor searched the publications database for the key "smoke" and
found nothing. Therefore, no fire. :-) -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????????????? (Tom Misener)
Subject: Re:Cigars

        Happy Easter everyone, I've been tryed to find
alt.smokers.cigar per your suggestion but, however when I try I get no
such address. What am I doing wrong? And by the way good luck with
                                        Tom  :->

[ Well, it's alt.smokers.cigars, as Rex reminded me. And not every
site receives it. Ask your sysadmin to subscribe. And watch for the
creation of alt.smokers.pipes. -S. ]

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From: "brian zimmerman" <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Bans in the Public Interest

Subject: Bans in the Public Interest

Boy, Steve, I just read that entry on banning tobacco (I have
been following this for some time) and was struck by the almost
exact wording used by defenders of the Second Amendment rights.
Banning and/or taxing to put a stop to a product "in the interests
of the public" seems to be the new government pastime.

I too would like to urge all of you on the maillist to consider
writing in behalf of the entire Bill of Rights.  Even easier,
E-mail the White House.  Let YOUR leaders know that you don't
appreciate their intrusion into you lives.

Show that you use the products responsibly.  I don't randomly
shoot people and I don't blow smoke in their faces (except Joe
'cause he loves a good cigar).  I don't drink and drive, but
I love a good single malt.  All three of which may cause me harm
but I take the responsibility that it not cause YOU harm.

Do the majority of you out there feel this way, or do you want
to be legislated into a sterile existance (or jail)?  Rhetorical
question, since you're enjoying this fine newsletter.  So get
off the dime and write for your rights.

The E-address of the President (yes, Slick Willie hisself) is:


Please don't limit yourself to this, as every letter to your
congressman is worth a thousand votes.

[Sorry for the soapbox, Steve, I really tried to stay short.]
Brian R. Zimmerman [???????????] Standard disclaimers apply.

[ No problem, Brian, but see my comments above, re Victor's letter. -S. ]

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From: "Mark Jones"  <???????????????????????????>
Subject:      Re: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994

Hey Steve,
Sorry to bother you, but I have a question if you have a second.

I was at my Mom's yesterday, and went through my late Dad's desk, and
found one of his pipes. Mom said I could have it, and she would save
any other pipes she found for me.

My Dad was not a die-hard pipe smoker, but before he retired I think
he smoked it at work more so than at home. So it looks to be in good
condition. But Dad was certainly no collector, nor a purist. He
probably would have never paid over $20 or so for a pipe.

When I pulled the stem off, I remembered. This pipe is designed for
you to bend a pipe cleaner in the middle, and stick it into the
shank(?) to act as a filter. I can remember Dad telling me that he
had found these pipes, which were very reasonably priced (it seems
like they sold two for one) from a mail order company. He also ordered
his tobacco from this outfit. Any ideas as to what kind of pipe this
is, or who sold it?

What about the concept, is that filter thing unique?

It appears to be broken in pretty well...looks like a good "carbon
cake" in the bowl (to a novice like me, anyway). Probably hasn't been
smoked in ten years or so...Mom hated pipes so he hung it up right
after he retired. The bowl still smells like that good tobacco he
used to smoke.

I'm sure I don't exactly have a classic on my hands, but of course,
it  is special to me. I'm thinking about firing it up.

BTW: I found a can of your "Balkan Sobranie" at a shop here. Maybe
I'll try a tin when If this pipe thing flies.

Thanks for any advice, Steve.......Have a great day.


[ I haven't seen cleaners used as filters... anyone have an idea what
sort of pipe Mark has? -S. ]

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From: James High <[email protected]>
Subject: Pipes

What photos does Neil Murray have on his pipe calendar?

[ and later ]

How much do I owe you for the calendar? Plus, do you know of any cigar
calendars or pictures of Greta Garbo that I've heard so much about?

[ Photos from the 1952 IAPSC convention in San Diego, mostly,
including some nice ones of women smokers. Don't know of any cigar
calendars, but it'd be a good idea for someone. Re Greta Garbo, there
was a picture of her as a young woman, with a pipe, in the latest Pipe
Smokers' Ephemeris, and perhaps in her obituary in the New York
Times. I sent James a copy free, since Neil had sent me three.
There's one more for the first member who sends me his/her snailmail
address. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????? (Jon Baker)
Subject: 2c

Traffic was a bit light last week, so I figured I'd throw in
2c worth.  On the recommendations from the list, I tried some
Arturo Fuente 8-5-8's.  I found them quite pleasant.  Good
flavor, well built, good structural integrity, and fairly
consistent to the end.  The taste is somewhat on the light
side for the first 1/2" - 1" or so, but then it picks up and
is quite nice for the remainder.  The price is modest, and
the box is nice, too!  It's not 100% airtight, but I throw
a humidifier in the box and they're good for the 3 to 4
weeks it takes me to smoke them, obviating the need for a

Bang for the buck, I'll stick to 8-5-8's from now on, over
my previous regulars - Romeo&Julieta Cetros.

As for pipe smoking, I've tried it, and have stuck with 
cigars.  Perhaps I was doing something wrong, perhaps the
tobacco wasn't best, perhaps it was the pipe, but there
were a few things I didn't like with the pipe.  Don't take
this as pipe-bashing in any way!  Perhaps someone can 
suggest what I was doing wrong and offer corrective advice ...

  - awkward to hold in the mouth.  When I want to turn the 
    page of a magazine or paper, I need both hands free, 
    and a cigar hangs much more comfortably than a pipe.
  - doesn't stay lit.  Probably my greatest irritation.
    A good cigar needs a draw periodically to stay lit, but
    the pipe seemed to need much more, more frequently.  The
    darned thing would go out in 30 seconds.
  - burned hotter.  Because I had to puff harder and more
    often, it burned hotter, ruining the taste.  Not pleasant.
  - more fumbling.  If I let the thing sit for too long (not
    long at all), it went out, and had to be relit.  This
    could require remixing, retamping, relighting, etc.
    Perhaps it is inherent in pipes that more fumbling is
    necessary, and indeed some people seem to derive great
    pleasure from it (all the power to them).  But perhaps
    if the root cause - going out too readily - was solved,
    that would eliminate this problem for me.

Would a better quality pipe help prevent some of these problems?
Better quality tobacco?  Fresher?  If anyone out there has had
similar problems, and found a solution, please share it!

Jon Baker

[ You might have it packed too tight, or too moist. Pack it so it's a
little springy, and perhaps let it dry out some. The object is to just
barely keep the bowl lit. Persistence pays -- eventually, you'll get
the hang of it. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Saltwater in the humidor

I have been listening for about two months and this is the first time
I've checked in.  I believe this is the place where I heard about the
old Danish trick of using salt water in your humidor.  My Tobacconist
tells me this is true.  So, I've been trying distilled water and plain
old table salt in a small plastic cup inside of a large ice chest for
about a month now.  The results appear to be successful so far.
I have some test cigars unwrapped sitting on top of their boxes and they feel
and smoke just great.    Has anyone else givenm this a try
let us know?

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From: JTH <????????????????????>
Subject: A good beginner pipe

Sorry I have not been able to send the initial greeting and info. you
requested until now (exams are upon me and time is precious).

Anyways I am a student at the Univ. of British Columbia, in the forestry
faculty (there is nothing wrong with clearcuts so long as they are done
properly and there are still plenty of spotted owls in Washington,
Oregon and Northern California).  I was introduced to cigars a couple of
years ago and I have enjoyed these immensely.  Actually I just had a
"Bances - coronna de luxe" from the House of Horvath Inc. in Toronto.  It
was a bit more expensive than the others ($6 after PST and GST) but turned
out to be worth it.  It did have "Habana" on the box so it might be a no no
in the States but if you have a chance you might want to sample some of
Horvath's goods.

I begin to run on at my keyboard so...  I would now like to try pipes.
I know you have probably done so many times already but suggestions on a
good starter pipe and a mellow tobacco to go with it would be much

Thanks JT
"He who has a why to live can bear with almost any how." - Nietzche
[ You can't go too wrong with a nice Peterson or GBD, and perhaps some
Amphora Blue, Sail, or Skandinavik. Other ideas? -S. ]

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From: Daniel Sauder <????????????????????>
Subject: Question


		Iwan Ries tobak/pipe company claims they have a brand of 
tobacco (Three Star Brand, I think) that "burns cool, dry, is filled with 
flavor, and----does NOT bite the tongue at all."  I want to know how a tobacco
can make such a boast.  I thought tongue bite was mostly dependent upon the 
pipe and not so much the tobak.  Now I realize that the condition of 
certain tobacco can make it apt to burn hotter than others (such as 
dryness, size of cut, and flavoring agents used in it).  But, Three Star 
boasts that all of their blends burn cool.  Is this a valid claim?  I 
know the only sure way know is to try it out, but . . . 

Dan Aromatic Sauder

[ In a word, no. Not because ***'s tobaccos aren't good, but because
cool burning depends on things they can't control, such as moisture in
the tobacco when you smoke it, and how hard you puff. -S. ]

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From: Andreas Krebs <????????????????????>
Subject: Re:  Pipe Mailing group

Hello Pipe smokers, 
and thanks for adding me to the Group, Steve.
Well, to introduce myself, i'm a student and enjoy Pipes for
over ten years now. Among my favourite Pipes are some Petersons
and some Mastro de Paja (very nice italian handcarved ones) and
lots of others. Hmmm, sometimes it is a bit complicated to
explain to no-pipe-smokers (girlfriend:) why someone (me)
_needs_ a new pipe when he already has soooo many ones. 

Studying here in austria and living in germany I would be 
interested in opinions about which kinds of tobacco you 
(being in USA, GB, etc.) favor: any lovers of english 
(latakia scented) tobacco? Extremely perfumed tutti-frutti? 
For me, it seems to depend somewhat on the wheather:
Bright and sunny - fruity, rain and snow - more english one.
Any opinions? What about filters? Are they really "typical
german" or are they established in other countries, too?
Happy smoke,
# .sig out of order                                               #

[ Welcome, Andreas! I'm sure a lot of our members have opinions on the
burning debate of English vs. aromatic. -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(The Lie Circimstantial:) "Were I smoking, your request, however rude,
might be worthy of reply."

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #138 - April 8, 1994
  2. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994
  5. Subject: It just don't get better than this...
  6. Subject: Re: warning -- politics ahead
  7. Subject: Re: Re: warning -- politics ahead
  8. Subject: Re:Cigars
  9. Subject: Bans in the Public Interest
  10. Subject: Bans in the Public Interest
  11. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #137 - April 1, 1994
  12. Subject: Pipes
  13. Subject: 2c
  14. Subject: Saltwater in the humidor
  15. Subject: A good beginner pipe
  16. Subject: Question
  17. Subject: Re: Pipe Mailing group
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