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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 324

Welcome to new members:

	C. Daniel Myers		(???????????????????)
	Ashraf Youssef		(??????????????????????????)
	Mark Thomson		(???????????????????????????)
	Matthew C. Mead		(???????????????????????)
	Andrew Diederich	(??????????????????????????)
	George Scheer		(????????????????????????)
	Janice Sadowski		(?????????????????????)
	Brian Everitt		(???????????????????)
	Luvsmoking		(??????????????????)
	Steve McDowell		(??????????????????)
	Charlie MacDonald	(????????????????????)
	Nils Soe		(?????????????????????)
	Avik Roy		(????????????????????????)
	Chris Bayus		(?????????????????)
	Jack Mcbryde		(???????????????????)
	Wookie			(????????????????)
	Vinh Tu			(???????????????????????????)
	Mitch Sako		(??????????????)
	Berthe Y. Choueiry	(???????????????????????)
	Mark Lamoree		(????????????????????????)
	ctw			(?????????????????????)
	Chris Newnan		(??????????????????????????)
	Ricardo Nassif		(??????????????????)
	Per Persson		(???????????????)
	Michael Ham		(???????????????????)
	Jason Christen		(?????????????????????)
	Marie Robertson		(???????????????)
	Toshihiko Murata	(????????????????????????????)
	Al			(?????????????????????????)
	Donshu			(??????????????)
	Kevin M. Spain		(?????????????????????????)
	Dave Wickard		(????????????????????????)

Well, we are now _solidly_ over the 300 mark. A lot of new membership
last week! I am also pleased to report that alt.smokers.pipes was
successfully created, and with the exception of one, ah, individual,
has been mostly flamage-free. Catch it if you can!

On the yucky side, this week also marks the first attempt to hose the
Digest. It wasn't a great attempt (certainly not in the league of the
Green Card Shyster Bandits :-) and may even be in the category of a
prank, but it did happen. This is why I keep the membership list
confidential. Details on request.

And, it seems, that now we're in kind of a Who's the Youngest on the
Digest contest... so far, the winner is 18. Any contenders for the

In any case, the congressional bashing has ceased for the moment, and
spring is in the air. And so, I hope, is the scent of a fine cigar or
a bowl of your favorite vernal terbakky! Enjoy, in moderation of
course, but first:

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ???????????????????????????
Subject: Churchwardens

	I am searching for a supplier of Churchwarden pipes or at least someone willing to part with one.
	Please Email me at ???????????????????????????
                     Thank you, 
			Dan Parish

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From: ??????????????????? (Rex Wockner)
Subject: Re: Pipes Archive #139 - April 14, 1994

Hey there. In the last mailing, someone called me "presumptious" for 
allegedly creating alt.smokers.cigars too quickly, or something like 
that. Just for the record, I went through all the discussion process on 
the newsgroups where news administrators bash each other and anyone who 
wants to do something new. It was through that process that my creation 
wound up being called alt.smokers.cigars. If the objection is that I'd 
only been on the Net for 6 weeks before creating alt.smokers.cigars, I 
can only say that I saw a gap and moved to fill it. The success of the 
group suggests the gap I perceived was real. So there. :-) Rex

[ Now, now, boys. Don't fight, or Mr. Moderator is going to have to
pull out his scissors. :-) -S. ]

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From: Daniel Sauder <????????????????????>
Subject: inquiries

	First of all, Steve, I must announce that I am 18 years of age 
(lately I've been seeing many people announcing their ages in the 
digest), I must be the youngest pipe smoker.  

	Anyway, today's question(s) are concerning my Peterson.
Petersons are the very best, I belive.  However, I do not like the
Peterson steck bit (hole aimed at roof of mouth).  I find them (at
least on my 3/4 bent Peterson) difficult to draw on and the roof of my
mouth ends up blasted.  Also, since the tongue is where sense of taste
is, I would rather have the smoke hitting there.  Do you know if they
make regular wedge bits as alternitives?  If so, how can I order one?

	The second question concerning my Peterson is about the bowl.
It is short and squat, and has a problem with burning--I think the
tobacco only burns in the center.  I know this is probably because the
bowl is too wide--or is it because of something I'm doing wrong?  If I
puff harder and faster it probably will burn completely, but I
(knowing the fundementals) know that to truely enjoy the smoke one
must puff lightly and slowly.  So what am I to do, Steve?  I don't
want to waste tobacco in this half-burning bowl.
Daniel Sauder ~\U

[ Even if Peterson doesn't make a wedge bit, perhaps somebody could
retrofit one for you. Re the center-only ignition, try moving the
match in a circle around the edge of the bowl for a charring light,
then tamp and relight. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Charles Myers)
Subject: Re: Pipes Archive #139 - April 14, 1994

        Steve:  I am looking for a Porsche designed pipe.  Several years ago
        I saw one at a local Tinderbox but that store no longer exists.
        Does anyone out there know anything about these pipes and where I
        can find a new or pre-smoked one?  Also my brother is considering
        starting a classified mailing for pipe collectors listing items from
        low end to high,for sale, trade, or wanted.  If anyone out
	there would   
        be interested in subscribing write him at:  Fred Loveland 2605
        Albury Ave Deltona FLA 32738

[ Interesting on the Porsche pipe! And I'll include your brother's
address in the Resource Guide, if you'd like. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????? (George Scheer)
Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco

[ Pipes Digest announcement deleted for space. -S. ]

I would be interested in subscribing to a pipes mailing list.

My email address would be 


George Scheer

-Any suggestion on where to get some pipes repaired or re-stemmed?

[ See the Resource Guide for a few places. Any others? -S. ]

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From: "matthew c. mead" <???????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Mailing List

	Well, this will be my first submission to the list, as I just
subscribed and read through all of your tips and comments about smoking pipes
and tobaccos.  Seems like they will be helpful.  First a little bit about me;
I'm currently enrolled at Virginia Tech in the Computer Science department as
an undergraduate (yep, -under-graduate :-).  I haven't been smoking pipes but
for 5-6 months now, and prior to that I was an avid non-smoker.  I started out
with a pipe from a local tobacco shop (not the greatest of tobaccos, but
acceptable for a small southwestern Virginia town).  It's a plain briar with no
fills, but a coupple of cracks in the bowl (maybe I've been smoking it too
hot?).  I grew up with my father a heavy pipe smoker, and always liked the
aroma.  I had always wondered if it tasted as good as it smelled, and I figured
I would try it.  It may seem funny to be smoking a pipe at the age of 19, but
hey, I actually do enjoy it.  I was at first dismayed to find out how little
the pipe tasted like how it smelled.  But I decided I had made an investment
and I would continue with the hobby.  I've grown to like the taste a lot, and
the smell that hangs around a couple hours after I'm done.  My favorite
tobaccos are St.Bruno's Flake cut (in the square tin), and a blend called Billy
Budd which I found at the smoke shop in Annapolis; I'm gonna have to go have a
bowl of it after this message.  I really enjoy smoking a pipe, and have tried
smoking other things like cigars (of mediocre quality from what I am told), and
even some cigarettes.  While pipes don't give me  any "buzz" per se, I really
enjoy the effects it has on my mood.  Smoking a pipe puts me in a very
contemplative mood, and hey, it gets me away from the computer.  :-)  Enjoy
your pipes!

-- Matthew C. Mead --       | To learn recursivity you must know recursivity.
???????????????????????     | To learn recursivity you ... oh wait that's
ztalk voicemail accepted at |-------------------------------------\ iteration
-slapshot.async.vt.edu-!!!! | http://slapshot.async.vt.edu/~mmead |----------

[ Heck, Matthew, Yer Moderator took his first puff at 8, and owned his
first real briar at 15... Though someone in this Digest has me beat on
age of first cigar. -S. ]

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From: Bryan Embrey <????????????????????????>
Subject: new alt group

Congratulations!  No flamage (except for purposes you mentioned) and seemingly 
rapid propagation.  It arrived at my site this afternoon and I promptly 
subscribed.  It seemed fitting, too, because I had just returned from a local 
emporium with 2oz of Cavendish that I'll try this evening.

In the last mailing (Thursday, April 14), someone mentioned pipe
seconds.  On a recent trip to Boston, I noticed what basically looked
like "unfinished" seconds; much like unfinished furniture.  Each had a
few surface flaws and were, for lack of a better term, unpolished.  I
already have too many pipes for the amount of tobacco I consume, so I
didn't purchase one for the $20 they were asking, but I am curious.
It seems possible that one could try out an oddly shaped pipe without
spending too much money.

Turning to cigars for a moment, I read my wife Gregory Pease's note
from #138 where he cooked dinner for his date and afterwards she
suggested they share a cigar.  My wife became intrigued and subtly
suggested that I cook us a nice dinner during the week.  I agreed and
later that week prepared a nice, though not overly complex, pasta
dish.  Afterwards, she mentioned that I hadn't had a cigar in quite
some time.  When I brought out an Avo Pyramide, I was surprised that
she wanted to share; in fact, after she had had several puffs, she
didn't want to share much at all.  In the end, we spent a very
enjoyable evening amid her fragrant cigar smoke and some good wine.  A
night to remember.

Again, congrats on the newsgroup.
Bryan Embrey

[ And congrats to you, too, Bryan! You and Gregory could have opened
up a whole new vista of spousal tobak tolerance... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Tobacco lists


I got connected to the cigars newsgroup and spent almost an hour browsing and
contemplating my next stogie. It was heavenly!!! I got all sorts of info and
now I know of a bunch of other ones to try.



[ You're quite welcome, Larry... and let's give Rex a hand, too! How
about full house, jacks over eights... :-) Geez, that reminds me, it's
been years since I played poker... any card enthusiasts out there? -S. ] 

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From: ??????????????????? (Brian Everitt)
Subject: new member

Ugh, sorry if you got ant bad messages, I was having trouble with my
terminal.  My name is Brian Everitt and I am a student of Electrical
Engineering at the Universiuty of New Mexico. I am 20 years old. I
have been smoking cigars and pipes for about a year and a half now and
am a reformed cigareete smoker. I currentll ^H ^H (ugh, not again!)
currently use a nice briar pipe made in Ireland (ahhh, the hmoe
land.... okay now I am really frustarted) and I have been sampling the
different tobaccos at my local favorite, The Tinder BOx. I also enjoy
many good cigars such as Punch and Onyx.  Looking forward to being on
the list!

[ Welcome, Brian, and we look forward to having you here! -S. ]

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From: George Scheer <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco

[ Short note from Yours Truly to George deleted for space. -S. ]


Thanks.  I look forward to it.  I don't see any attached intro guide, 
though.  I hope the different email address I gave you didn't cause any 
confusion.  I use this account (????????????????????????) for most of the 
internet access, but I use a different account 
(?????????????????????????) for most of my email and I would prefer for 
the pipes mail to go to that (uncmvs) address.  Basically, this gibbs 
account is very limited in capacity and tends to max out with mailing 
list traffic.

If that's a problem however, the gibbs account will work.  I don't see any
intro on either account yet.  Perhaps it just hasn't worked its way
through the system. 

I am looking forward to it, though.  Coincidentally, I just broke the 
stem on a favorite pipe yesterday and was wondering where to get it 
repaired.  As pipe smoking has become less common, the good tobacco shops 
in my part of the world have closed down and I miss the sort of services 
they used to provide, like pipe repair.


[ Again, George, there are a couple of good stem-repair places in the
Resource Guide. Welcome! -S. ]

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From: Avik Sumon Allen Roy <????????????????????????>
Subject: digest

I guess I should introduce myself.  My name is Avik Roy, and I am a 21 year
old medical student at Yale University.  Many of my friends here at Yale 
are pipe smokers, and we have plenty of occasions at which to smoke.  
Judging from what I've read, we have it much better than most.

Here are two notable tobacconists which were not on your list:

David P. Erlich Company
32 Tremont Street
Boston, Mass.  02108

(Erlich, founded in 1868, is the parent of Leavitt & Pearce in Cambridge.)

The Owl Shop
268 College Street
New Haven, Conn.  06520

(An outstanding collection of pipes, cigars, tobacco, and other gentlemen's 

[ Glad to hear that pipe-smoking academia is not dead in the Ivy
League, Avik! I visited Erlich's once, and agree that it's a must-do
if you're in Boston. -S. ]

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From: "Mark D. Lamoree" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest

	Here is a brief autobiography:
	I am a nineteen year old political science major at Loyola 
University, Chicago.  This no doubt makes me the youngest member of this 
group.  I have been smoking pipes for a little over a 
year, since I was introduced to pipe smoking by my roomate.(Although I was 
pre-disposed to the habit, having grown up with a pipe smoking father.)  
I must point put, however, that my loyalties are split.  Although I enjoy 
a good pipe, I also smoke cigars as regularly as I can afford.
	Regarding the second-hand smoke issue, you should be aware of the 
history of the report which sparked this whole controversy.  That report 
was quashed several times because the science its conclusions were based 
on was so poor.  Because of political pressure, the report was finally 
released in an essentially unchanged form.  Thus, the entire controversy 
is based upon bad science and false conclusions.  I must say that the 
non-smoking fanatics remind me of the old definition of a puritan: a 
person who lives in constant terror that someone, somewhere is having fun.

Mark Lamoree

[ Thanks for the intro and the info, Mark! A full history of the EPA
report would be most welcome. -S. ]

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From: MARK KORCHINSKI <???????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipe group

Thanks. They had a router failure a few weeks ago, so I bet those issue 
were just bounced back to you.

Mark, 	VE5ZU/VE3 (soon to be VA3ZU)

BTW, this makes me think that since Dayton is coming up in a couple
weeks this may be a good time to have an inpromptu get together of 
cigar smokin' hams (The Smoked Hams?). Has there been any talk about this 
is the past few issues?

[ Well, we just had a subscription request from Michael Ham... :-) 73, -S. ]

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From: JTH <????????????????????>
Subject: Re: My mistake

Sorry Steve, I was just displaying a gross ignorance of American 
geography.  I thought your header referred to the province New Brunswick 
(of which Fredericton is the capital).

Anyways, I just found the most glorious smoke shop I have ever seen.  
Pass it  along on the pipes newsletter if you wish.  It is called 
Clarke's Tobacconnists (sp?) in Gastown in Vancouver (at #3 Alexander 
Street).  It is well worth the trip.  A tad expensive but worth it.  eg. 
H. Uppman coronas were $9.50 plus tax (isn't Canada wonderful?).

Until later

[ No problem; New Brunswick is (deservedly) obscure to people outside
NJ. Yes, indeed, Canada sounds wonderful, if you can get past the
gendarmes with the striped flags... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????
Subject: Thanks--

for adding me to the list. I got to download the mail you dropped and found
it to be very interesting.

I've tried a pipe a few times and just never did get the hang of it. I guess
you'd have to classify me as a die-hard cigar smoker. My first cigar (at age
12) was a Tiparillo (yuk!!) and now i'm devoted to the pursuit of the cubans.
A friend brought back a box of Cohiba's from London and made me a
fan---quickly. My regular smoke is a Dannemann Espada. I know, it's dry-cured
and causes the true cigar lover to turn up his/her nose. But that's why there
are horse races too.

I saw a message from someone asking about the "Cigar Dinners".
For the last 2 years I've been a member of the Chicago Cigar Connisseurs ( I
live in KC ) and attend their annual dinner. The only thing I can say is,
it's a shame there are not more dinners like that one. REALLY great time.
I've met some interesting people too. I'd like to attend one of the dinners
at the Ritz-Carlton someday too.

Thanks again. Tim 

[ I'm sure some of our other readers would appreciate news of the
Chicago cigar scene, Tim! Do you have the CCCs' contact address? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????????????????????


I expire sooner than I thought.  Actually, my account ceases to exist as of
April 22nd.  I think my new address will be


based on others email addresses there.  I will send you mail in August
for sure to let you know.  The last digest was a treasure trove of
information.  Keep up the good work.  Hopefully when I return from
Europe, it won't be illegal to run a discussion group about banned
substances in the great ol' USA ;-).  Ah, one more reason to live up
here in Canada.

See ya later

[ Well, freedom of speech is still more or less legal. And alt.drugs
is thriving... -S. ]

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From: Toshihiko Murata <????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: please add my name to pipe mail group

Thank you for adding me to the distribution list.  For a starter, let me
introduce myself.  My name is Toshihiko Murata.  I'm a graduate student at
University of Oregon, studying sociology.  I'm originally from Japan,
where it is almost impossible to get fine tobacco.  So coming to U.S. and
having a tobacconist near by is almost like a dream come true.  My
preferred tobacco that I can get from local tobacco store are No.25
Virginia from McClelland tobacco company, and Craven mixture.  I don't get
to smoke Craven mixture very often because my partner doesn't like the
"camp fire smell" of craven mixture.   Thank you again.  


PS. Could you please send me couple of back issues?  Thanks you in advance. 

[ Back issues sent, Tosihiko. Enjoy! -S. ]

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From: David Chesler (???????????????????????)
Subject: American Spirit offer

  For a sampler of American Spirit call 800-332-5595 with a credit card.
  $4 for one each of filter-tip, menthol, non-filter cigarettes, and 
a pouch of pipe tobacco (<- ObPipes -- welcome alt.smokers.pipes!).
  I've just sent for this, so I have no idea of promptness or quality.
(Other posters lead me to believe I'll like the quality!)
  David Chesler (No longer employed by Phoenix,
             using ???????????????????????? while that course account lasts,
             always reachable as ???????????????????????)

[ Thanks for letting me copy this off the alt groups, David! Please
let us know how AmSpirit's pipe tobacco is; I wasn't aware they made
it. -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(Among Yuppies:) "It depends. How much do you make?"

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994
  2. Subject: Churchwardens
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Archive #139 - April 14, 1994
  4. Subject: inquiries
  5. Subject: Re: Pipes Archive #139 - April 14, 1994
  6. Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco
  7. Subject: Re: Pipes Mailing List
  8. Subject: new alt group
  9. Subject: Tobacco lists
  10. Subject: new member
  11. Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco
  12. Subject: digest
  13. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest
  14. Subject: Re: Pipe group
  15. Subject: Re: My mistake
  16. Subject: Thanks--
  17. Subject: Re: please add my name to pipe mail group
  18. Subject: American Spirit offer
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