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Subject: Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 326

Welcome to new members:

	Doug Nelson		(???????????????????????????)
	Al Handa		(?????????????????????????)	
	Donshu			(??????????????)
	Adam Robert Fields	(????????????????????????)
	Scott Borders		(??????????????????????)
	Gideon H		(???????????????)
	John Mahler		(??????????????????????)
	Ruth Shepard		(??????????????)
	Scott A. McBride	(???????????????????????????????)

I'm going to keep the running commentary to a minimum this issue,
since I'm finding myself a bit tight on time... The alt.smokers.pipes
newsgroup is going very well; only one flame so far (unless you want
to count Yrs Truli's rantings about prohibition. ;-) Relax and enjoy
yer favorite alternate means of smoking as we explore a whole buncha
topics, including youth, Porsches, calabashes, and card games -- and
congratulations and best wishes to the Penn Cigar Club; my alma mater
makes good! -S.


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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994

If Porsche-designed pipes are those weird blue or green metal space ship 
pipes, then John's Pipe Shop in Champaign, Illinois has some. I don't know 
their number, but get it from information and ask for Patrick (he's a state 
cop, and his mother works there during the day).

Re passive smoking: it seems the core of the antismoking argument. If the 
report (is there only one?) on which the argument is based on has been exposed 
as "bad science" then we need more information than simply that bald 
assertion. I would be most appreciative if someone would give a more full 
report than these one or two sentence mentions about the report, what "bad 
science" means in this instance, just what passive smoking is supposed to do 
to people, how its supposed to work, etc. It's no good urging people to 
write in protest without giving them solid information and arguments.

To change the subject--I'm almost out of my last can of Butera's Virginia 
blend. I'm going to reorder, but: have any Virginia-blend smokers tried his 
other two blends? Do you like them? I know their English, and I smoke 
Virginia, but the reviews have been so good...

-Stephen Slottow ????????????????????????


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From: ?????????????????????? (Michael SB Shoshani)
Subject: congrats

a.s.p. is alive and well in Chicago.  I see you've celebrated with a nice new
.signature  :-)

-- 
|  the only man woman or child who wrote    |       Michael SB Shoshani   |
|  a simple declarative sentence with seven |        Chicago IL, USA      |
|  grammatical errors is dead.              |     ??????????????????????  |
|            --e.e. cummings, on the death of Warren G. Harding           |

[ Good news! -S. ]


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From: Tyson F Nuss <???????????????????????>
Subject: Porsche Pipes & American Spirit

Salve', all!

Subject: Porsche Design Pipes
>        Steve:  I am looking for a Porsche designed pipe.  Several years ago
>        I saw one at a local Tinderbox but that store no longer exists.
>        Does anyone out there know anything about these pipes and where I
>        can find a new or pre-smoked one?

	Ah, this was quite the suave unit, designed by "Butzi" Porsche
(designer of the original 904 and 911 models).  Altho' hard to tell,
it *was* made of briar (charred black), and the bowl was enshrouded
in a finned aluminum "cooling tower", looking much like the air-cooled
cylinders of a 911's engine.  The whole shape was smoothly contoured
to look like a wisp of smoke itself.  Damn expensive, too.  If it's
still made, you should be able to get it from any U.S. purveyor of
Porsche Design merchandise; look in some car magazines or upscale
magazines (like "Robb Report") for Porsche Design adverts.

>Subject: American Spirit loose tobacco
	Actually, it's a coarse shag-cut meant for rolling cigarets,
methinks (the pouch comes with papers).  I did try packing my pipe
with it once; while austerely tasty, the nic buzz pinned me to my
chair for a good fifteen minutes afterward, such that I could hardly
even empty the spent bowl into the ashtray next to me!  It goes down
*much* better in a cigaret. %-}  Very clean, leafy flavour.

	Steve, if you would be so kind as to send me the lastest
updates of the resource guide, how-to, and whatever other side-orders
you have... danke schoen!

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| |   {*}     Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire   *and*
| |  __V__    Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobacco Products
|_|o_|%%%|0_  Cigaret brands sampled: 101 import/luxury, 22 handrolling
   |       |  UPDATED SMOKELIST WITH RATINGS AVAILABLE ON FINGER!
   |       |  "A hobby, not a habit - smoke less and enjoy it more!"
   |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?

[ Will do, Laszlo -- please remind me if I forget! -S. ]


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From: "Matthew B. Landry" <????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994

>On the yucky side, this week also marks the first attempt to hose the
>Digest. It wasn't a great attempt (certainly not in the league of the
>Green Card Shyster Bandits :-) and may even be in the category of a
>prank, but it did happen. This is why I keep the membership list
>confidential. Details on request.
	Consider this such a request. I may be able to help deal with the 
person or persons responsible, if I know the details.
>
>any card enthusiasts out there? -S. ] 
	Yes. :)
--
Matthew B. Landry
President of Project SAVE

[ Address sent, Matthew, but the guilty parties haven't returned. -S. ]


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From: "William H. Magill" <?????????????????????>
Subject: not PC - A New cigar club forms at Penn

I have been suffering from Influenza this past week or so, so I missed the
event (of course I didn't know about it until that morning, but that's
normal).  However, I managed to get yesterday's DP with a review of the first
meeting. Apparently co-sponsered by Holt's and Oulette (a French restaurant
in Liberty Place) and SAC sanctioned! They apparently got to somke cigars
in Houston Hall - amazing!

I've been off the keyboard for a week now, so I have a bit of catching up
to do. I'll send along the text of the DP article when I can as well as try
to track down the folks email addresses if they have any.

T.T.F.N
William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Computing Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: ?????????????????????                   ???????????????????????????
          ???????????????? 

[ Get well, Bill, and congrats on the non-PC PCC! -S. ]


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From: Adam Mindwolf <??????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994

I must admit, though I don't know if there is anyone younger I am also 
18. I guess the "Youngest" position will have to be shared :>
	That's all for today unfortunately... Happy Smoking!

[ So far, 18's rock bottom... -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????? (Neil Murray)
Subject: Hello

I think i have the whole problem figured out.  Your internet address is
being truncated when it comes through here, so that when i do an
automatic reply to your message, it is not going to a valid address.
Now the problem is why the truncation is occurring.  I just noticed this
this morning.  In fact it is onlyu a one letter difference.

Hope all is well with you, I have been putting in long hours, in fact am
at work and this is a saturday.  But with any luck at all the next
gazette issue will be going out in may as planned.

I heard on NPR that soon there is going to be advertising on
internet....this should really make the purists cringe.  Oh well, sooner
or later everything is commercialized.

take care,  Neil

[ NPR is wrong -- if we can help it... on more than one issue. -S. ]


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From: Gregory Pease <??????????????>

Warning.  This article is a bit on the long side.  Light up now!

>From: Bryan Embrey <????????????????????????>
>Subject: new alt group
>[...]
>Turning to cigars for a moment, I read my wife Gregory Pease's note
>from #138 where he cooked dinner for his date and afterwards she
>suggested they share a cigar.  My wife became intrigued and subtly
>suggested that I cook us a nice dinner during the week.  I agreed and
>later that week prepared a nice, though not overly complex, pasta
>dish.  Afterwards, she mentioned that I hadn't had a cigar in quite
>some time.  When I brought out an Avo Pyramide, I was surprised that
>she wanted to share; in fact, after she had had several puffs, she
>didn't want to share much at all.  In the end, we spent a very
>enjoyable evening amid her fragrant cigar smoke and some good wine.  A
>night to remember.
>
>Again, congrats on the newsgroup.
>Bryan Embrey
>
>[ And congrats to you, too, Bryan! You and Gregory could have opened
>up a whole new vista of spousal tobak tolerance... -S. ]
>
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I can't tell you how pleased I am to have inspired Bryan (or his 
wife! ;) and anyone else who may have indulged themselves and their
mates to this most intimate of pleasures.  And a quick thanks to 
everyone who suggested I not let this woman "get away!"  All is
well, I'm happy to say!  (Hell, we've known each other for nearly
four years, though the romance part is still young.  I don't think 
she's going anywhere anytime soon.  We are having a bit of a chat
over whether we want two or three children, if that's any indication!)

And onward...

Last Tuesday I enjoyed my 36th birthday.  During a moment of reflection
over a bowl of Balkan Sobranie from the mid 1960's (in a 1918 Dunhill
Shell "O"...ahh!) I recounted the early days of my relationship to the
briar.  While still an impressionable young thing in middle school,
I had a teacher of sciences who smoked a pipe.  I admired this man,
and tried to emulate everything about him, thinking it would bring
me similar admiration.  I adopted his disheveled appearance, his 
propensity for careful speech, his consideration for the art and 
responsibility of science, and his constant companion, the pipe.  I
was 15 at the time.  

Once I had my first automobile (a 1960 Austin Healy Sprite in British
Racing Green), I abandoned the lab coat and pocket protector for a leather 
jacket, tweed cap and white scarf (still impressionable, after all).  
I suspect I still looked quite the fool, though, I'd like to think, in 
a much more rogueish fashion.  I didn't, however, abandon the pipe.  It's 
not that I really enjoyed the bloody thing, but it had become an integral
part of my costume!  In fact, it tasted dreadful!  (I still have that
pipe, and it still tastes dreadful!)

Once I entered University, I chanced upon the tobacconist from which
my mother had procured my uncle's cigars when I was a wee lad.  The
smell brought back many memories, so I struck up a conversation with
the proprietor.  Once he discovered what sort of pipe I was smoking
(the horror) and what sort of tobacco I dared to fill it with (great
horror of all horrors!) he took me under his wing, convinced that I 
could be cured.  He guided me to a Charatan second, a sandblast 
yachtsman for which I paid about $18, and a tin of a rich, full blend
of Oriental and Virginia tobaccos, with more than a hint of Latakia
for good measure.  I found the roadmap to the sublime on that day.  I
went to work for fellow, restoring pipes, blending tobacco and learning
everything I could from him.  I was able to acquire the beginning
of my collection, and develop an almost spiritual, and quite alchemical 
relationship to fine briars and tobaccos.  

Sadly, this sort of story is becoming an all but dead artifact of a 
more gentle era.  I was working a couple of years ago at Drucquer and 
Sons, developing a new blend or two, when a woman came back to see what 
I was so obviously happy about.

I was up to my elbows in fragrant Latakia and Virginias, and obviously
experiencing the sort of bliss which causes some to play with snakes
and speak in tongues.  She looked into my eyes and asked if I really
liked doing this.  I tried to tell her of the feeling of connection
it gave me to the land and the skies, of the sensory pleasures of
smelling and touching and tasting the beautifully aged leaf, of the
palette of colours from golden yellow to rich brown and shiny black.
I told her of the delight in filling a bowl with the concoction I 
had created and setting it alight, to fill mouth and air with delicate
smoke, to warm the hand on a cool winter's night, to find solace and
companionship even when no one else heed the call.  She shook her
head and walked away, waving the anti-smoker's salute in front of her
sensorally maladjusted proboscis.  

The war against tobacco is not new.  In 1604, King James I published
the famous "Counterblaste to Tobacco," and banned the cultivation and
use of tobacco in England.   Neither has this war ever been won, and 
all prohibitions have ultimately been overturned through popular
pressures.  We are part of the populace, and as such, must stand up
and be counted.

We are a coterie who must continue our tradition, and celebrate the 
hobby and romance of the weed.  We can never convert the malevolent 
soothsayers of doom to the understanding that ours is not a dastardly 
plot to create havok in their brachea, but a reflection and appreciation 
of the things that life brings us.  If we keep in mind the joy of our
little celebrations, perhaps we can each change a little piece of the 
world.

Smoke in peace,
Gregory

[ And speaking of wars against tobacco, didn't the king of Germany
once try to outlaw it ... and fail badly? -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????????????? (Doug Nelson)
Subject: introduction

first off, let me say steve, this is a wonderful idea.  until i saw that 
there was a pipe smokers internet group it had never dawned on me how much i 
miss the chance to discuss pipes and tobacco.

second, i know this is 'pipes digest' but is there an interactive form (one 
letter at a time)?  not only do i enjoy reading and answering in that 
format, but for some reason my reader chokes when i try to reply to an 
included letter.

ok, on to the personal stuff.
my name is doug nelson (???????????????????????????)
i am 34 years old and an undergraduate at university of missouri-columbia.  
i would normally make a big deal out of how old i was to be an undergrad, or 
how young i was when i started pipe smoking (16), but i see both of these 
areas have been paved.

i own about 15 pipes, with no real pattern, but i guess petersen's are in 
the majority.  i prefer bents, the bigger the better.  currently i am down 
to 3 pipes, with the rest being held for ransom until a divorce is finalized.

i stopped smoking cold turkey when the report on second hand smoke came out. 
 i figured it was a pleasant hobby, but not work endangering other people's 
lives.  after about 5 or so years i find myself living alone (see previous 
paragraph) and have picked it back up again.

i would like to reply to some of the letters in the intro, but as i said, my 
reader choked.  someone mentioned the disadvantages of a petersen bit.  i 
find my palate a little raw myself sometimes, but overall i really enjoy the 
bit.  i like biting down, and its the only one i've found that could take 
it.  (most of my pipes are on their second or even third bit, except for the 
petersens.  well, except for one petersen <G>)

my favorite tobacco is a lane blend that goes by different names depending 
on which shop you go to.  it usually has 'bl' or 'burley light' somewhere in 
the name.  it is a very light aromatic that somehow manages to keep a full 
body.  i can smoke it virtually non-stop with no unpleasant side effects.  
should someone accidentally get a whiff of it (as i said, i try to avoid 
smoking around others) the response is invariably favorable.  btw, if anyone 
has a mail order source for this blend, please let me know.  i've tried many 
catalogs (though by no means everyone listed in the intro) with no success.  
this is a small town, hours away from a larger one, and has only one tobacco 
shop, which is growing smaller and increasingly unreliable.

someone mentioned their pipe keeping them away from the keyboard.  between 
the petersen bit and the light tobacco, i don't have this excuse.  <breaks 
to relight>  actually, i've never had the opportunity to compare pipe 
smoking habits with anyone else (see first paragraph).  i find i smoke about 
a pound of tobacco a month.  how does this stack up with the other readers?

i will break it off here, otherwise no one will even bother reading, let 
alone responding.  i look forward to receiving the digest, and perhaps 
corresponding with others.
******************************************************
Doug Nelson      ???????????????????????????


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From: Sag <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco

I hope this is the right address.  I'm a long time pipe smoker, who once 
worked in a pipe shop when younger.  I enjoy the English tobaccos, and
tend to add a bit of extra perique and Latakia, and if in the mood, a
bit of very strong slice.

Also, I am selling off part of my pipe collection, some of which are very
high quality.  I'll send a list to anyone who asks (I left it off to save
bandwidth).  I'm not purely selling it, I'll consider trades for Mac soft-
ware or hardware (noted on the list).

Al Handa

[ Please send me a copy, Al... -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????? (Neil Murray)
Subject: Hello

I talked with Steve Johnson, he said it is ok for you to reprint his
article on the clinton health plan in the pipes newsletter.  He recently
got AOL so he will be soon sending you a note to receive the mailing.
He is currently writing a second article for the may issue of the
gazette.  Which you will probably also want to circulate in this forum.

BTW, what was happening, the SME bullitin board apparently was
truncating the "M" from siemens.com.  So when ever i would do an
automatic reply, or reference the address as i was seeing it, the thing
would bounce back to me as undeliverable.

Taske care,  Neil

[ So far, no letter... but thanks for forwarding the request! Glad
your comm problems have been cleared. -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????? (Brian Everitt)
Subject: Seconds

Hi Steve,
	Just wanted to comment on the quality of some of the seconds o
out there. I have always used the same Irish Second with a very light
finish. It has only one slight imperfection and smokes very cool and smooth.
Just wanted to let anyone know that if they're looking for a good pipe 
for under $50, they shouldn't dismiss a good second just by word of mouth
(it seems some people hate them). Also had a question....how does a good
Meershaum (sp?) smoke compared to a briar? I looked into this before I 
bought my briar but have since forgotten. 

Thanks!


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From: ????????????? (Eric McKinney)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994

Steve Masticola allegedly said:
 > And, it seems, that now we're in kind of a Who's the Youngest on the
 > Digest contest... so far, the winner is 18. Any contenders for the
 > spot?

Well, whoever that is, I've got them tied...

--
Eric McKinney (?????????????)
Matrix Information and Directory Services
Department of Dirty Work

[ Multiple ways... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: The book I Read

Just thought I would write to mention a book I thought all of you may be
interested in.  It is called "Smoking and Society:  Toward a More Balanced
Assessment" Robert Tollison, ed.  (Lexington Books  1986.  ISBN
0-669-11603-3)  The book is a series of essays written by various people in
relation to smoking and the social ramifications related to it.  Hans Eysenck
(the famous psychologist, which really impressed me since I am a psychology
major) presents the first essay about smoking and health, concluding that the
grounds the AMA and other medical establishments have made on the basis of
smoking and disease are not as strong as they would have you believe.  Other
essays focus on the Health Issues and Passive Smoking, The Social Role of
Smoking, Smoking, Human Rights, and Civil Liberties, The Incidence of Taxes
on Tobacco, and A Sociological View of the Antismoking Phenomenon.  The book
itself is not "light" reading by any stretch, but in consideration of the
activites taken against smokers in modern society it might prove to be useful
for counterattacks.  I happened to find a copy ofthis book for only 5
dollars, and if anyone would be interested in getting a copy, let me know and
I would be happy to try and get a copy for you at the store I obtained it
from.  I would send it cost + shipping, which would put it around 10 dollars
or so (which is sill less than the cover price of any hard bound books
today).  Just thought you might be interested.
     I was wondering if anyone knew of a good cleaner for the outside of
pipes.  The rim of some of mine have become stained through smoking, and I
would like to clean that off if it is possible without ruining the finish or
the pipe.  Any suggestions?
      Also, does anyone know a good place to obtain a calabash pipe?  I can't
seem to find them in any of the stores around here.  I thought it would make
an interesting addition to the collection I have currently.

[ Thanks for the book info, Lenrd! I remember seeing calabashes for
sale, but not where I saw them... any info, readers? -S. ]


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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(Among Trivial Pursuers:) "Wait! Don't tell me! `Put out that #(!&!$
cigar!' Bogey. _Casablanca_. 1943. And Ingrid Bergman replies, `Why do
I only get that from guys who are lousy in bed?'"  

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,
				  1987. 

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994
  2. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994
  3. Subject: congrats
  4. Subject: Porsche Pipes & American Spirit
  5. Subject: Porsche Design Pipes
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994
  7. Subject: not PC - A New cigar club forms at Penn
  8. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994
  9. Subject: Hello
  10. Subject: introduction
  11. Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco
  12. Subject: Hello
  13. Subject: Seconds
  14. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #140 - April 22, 1994
  15. Subject: The book I Read
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