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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #142 - May 6, 1994

		   Pipes Digest #142 - May 6, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 341

Welcome to new members:

	Marcelo Sigal		(?????????????????)
	Frank Young		(??????????????????)
	Dan Gray		(????????????????????)
	Drew Lapsley		(????????????????????????)
	Christopher January	(???????????????????????)
	Kalle Romanov		(????????????????????????????)
	Gideon Pollach		(??????????????????????????)
	Andie Rigler		(??????????????????????)
	Lon Nguyen		(????????????????????????)
	Barbara J Duska		([email protected])
	Mark Krawec		(???????????????????)
	Arlyn Asch		(??????????????)
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	Alasdair McAndrew	(???????????????????????)
	Andrew Van Etten	(??????????????????????)
	Maurizio Abate		(??????????????????)

And join us this issue with a reading from Twain on cigar snobbery,
the continuing Battle of the Ages, and research on tobbaconuclear

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ??????????????? (Chris Cochems)
Subject: Pipe Shop for Resource list


The tobaccinist I currently patronize is:

Mission Pipe Shop
812 Town & Country Village Drive
San Jose, CA 95128
(408) 241-8868

They have everything you would expect including a large cigar 
sellection.  They also have a good looking calabash.


[ Weren't they in Hacker's book? The one with the HUGE calabash? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994

I enjoyed Gregory's post, pointing out the positive aesthetics of pipe 
smoking. Today I was listening to the radio: first there was an interview 
with an antiabortion activist, who kept saying to the abortion doctor who 
was also being interviewed "I hope you stop this grisly practice to which 
you have devoted your life" and kept interrupting, saying "abortion is 
murder." Then there was an interview with the lawyer representing the couple
who recently bought into a condominium and are suing the people underneath 
them for smoking--evidently the deadly fumes are permeating their apartment. 
A caller started berating the lawyer for his wishy-washy attitude towards 
stamping out tobacco (the caller was evidentally allergic to tobacco fumes), 
and stated that smokers have no right to smoke in their own apartments 
unless they belonged to an exclusive smokers-only apartment house. He
stated that all smokers should be evicted from their apartments (on that 
ground alone) and that within a decade compulsory housing segregation 
for smokers will be realized.

This man's tone of aggressive outrage was very similar to the abortion 
advocate's tone. I am not advocating abortion (or not advocating it, for 
that matter), but pointing to the similarity in goals and styles. If this 
man was allergic to pollen, or dust, or industrial fumes, or anything else, 
he would never attack it with the same ferocity and self-righteousness. He 
reminded me of someone advocating the extermination of a depraved and 
hopelessly evil race--very much like the Nazi attitude towards Jews. I 
don't think I'm exaggerating at all.

Thanks for the member who posted the book information. I will get in touch 
with him--I'd like to have some hard information.

Re meerschaums v. briar. A while ago, thinking I really should try a 
meerschaum, I bought I very nice uncarved slightly bent billiard shape. After 
4 or 5 smokes, I picked up a briar again, and then smoked another briar... 
it's still languishing in my desk drawer. I just can't get interested. I 
guess that what I really like about pipes is the grain and the blast (and 
the flavor, of course). Meerschaums don't have any grain, and the mild 
flavor lacks the distinctive and stronger character of briar, to my mind. Or 
maybe it all comes down to habit. I also like the durability of briar, the 
sense that I can just put it in my jacket pocket and go out for a walk.

Regarding the burn marks on the top of the bowl. I have gotten into the 
habit of wiping them off with a hankerchief before they dry--this ruins the 
hankerchief but has kept the top of my smooth bowls pretty clean and shiny. 
It won't work if the top of the bowl is blasted.

-Stephen Slottow

[ Stephen, thanks for your comments. Did you call the station and let
them know that persecution is _never_ right? If not, I'd encourage you
to do so next time. Unless we defend our rights, we're going to lose

BTW, I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice the similarity in
tactics between the antismokers and the antiabortionists. The issues
really are the same -- the right to control one's own body. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #141 - April...

I have been smoking cigars for about two and half years now, but as a result
of joining the pipes digest decided to try smoking a pipe.  I purchased an
inexpensive briar, with a straight shank.  I sampled several of my
tobacconists blends and found them most enjoyable.  My only problem is i
can't keep the darn thing lit for more than few minutes.  Also, how long do
you smoke a pipe?  I was told not to smoke the "moist dottle", how do I know
if I am infact smoking said "dottle".  Thanks in advance for any help.       

[ I can send you the "How-To" guide... Dottle is what's left after you
smoke. If it's VERY wet, don't smoke it. -S. ]

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From: INTERNET POLICE <????????????????????>

	Dear Steve:
		I am 12 years old; therefore, I am the youngest pipe smoker.  
	Now, there is no more reason to continue this silly battle of
	the ages, since there is certainly no one able to make war with me.

	In eternal tobak youth,
		Dan Sauder ~\U  

[ OK, let's see a show of hands for this one... :-) Apologies if my
leg is NOT being pulled. -S. ]

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From: JTH <????????????????????>
Subject: My first time

Well I finally broke down and purchased a pipe.  I had resisted the urge for 
this long because I couldn't afford to put out the $40-$50 for a pipe and 
$12-$15 for 50 g. of tobacco.  Yesterday my fast was broken.  I had some 
money in the bank and found a store who was willing to let me part with 
my capital reserves (kind of strange don't you think?).  I found a single 
dot Brigham for $27 and tried a black and brown cavendish mix to 
accompany it ($11.19 for 50g. sorry people my mind has been twisted from 
an early age -metric system- and I have difficulty speaking in standard 
measures).  I was even able to use some of the wealth of knowledge given 
out in a previous pipes digest by Chris (aka. ??????????? I believe it 
was).  My profuse thanks your info. was very helpful and much appreciated.

I probably looked a little foolish trying to figure out the best way to 
hold the pipe when I returned home and tried to start it up but my 
Scottish ancestry forced me to  continue through the fumblings.  I see 
what you mean when you say there is an art to keeping a pipe lit (I went 
through an entire pack of matches).   I packed the top half to loosely and 
the  bottom to tight but after I was finished... one question for 
myself...what was I waiting for?  I sat outside (I am not allowed to 
smoke cigars and/or pipes inside - S.O's rule #225) for about an hour.  

Pure pleasure!

My S.O. checked on me several times to see if I had finished yet.  With 
each of her checks her warnings of impending headaches and upset stomach 
became more dire.  "I used to smoke and my first cigarette made me sick 
to my stomach", was one of her favorites.  I tried to explain that I 
wasn't inhaling the smoke and, therefore, wouldn't suffer the same 
effects as she did when she first started her habit (she has since 
quit).  She knew what she was talking about though so she wouldn't hear 
any of my apologetics.  Apart from the interruptions, I had one of the best 
hours I had ever had the pleasure of living through.  I even was able to 
tempt a friend out of the house to smell the smoke (his father smokes a 
pipe and cigars so he came out to relive some memories).  This of course 
promted remarks about "men" and "male bonding" but we weathered the assault.

I'll end off with a question.  I have smoked many cigars and if I had 
tried to go for an hour long session with one of them, I would be green.  
How is pipe tobacco different from cigar tobacco?

BTW I didn't even get a twinge in my belly from the cavendish.  In fact, 
I wanted to go back for more.  However, I was able to control my 
desires;  you know, too much of a good thing and all that rot.

Thank you one and all for the info.

    an ordinary 24 year old university student                      
    (sorry no age records broken here) 

P.S.  I recently purshased a Dominican "Wassle" the shopkeeper said it 
was similar to a robusto.  It may have been a bad box but I had not even 
got 3/4" off the cigar and I lost the wrapper.  It just came of in my 
hands.  Tastewise, the cigar was acceptable, nothing special but not 
bad.  It was light and cool, coffee-like.  Anyways, I suppose you get 
what you pay for ($3 for a cigar up North is cheap).  Be careful if you 
run across something similar.  Spend the extra dollar or two and get a Punch.

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From: ???????????????????????????? (Steve Masticola)
Subject: Cigar clubs list

[ This is a repost from alt.smokers.cigars. -S. ]

The following is copied shamelessly from the Summer 1994 Cigar
Aficionado, for purposes of greater comradeship. List has been
re-organized, alphabetical by state. Additions appreciated. 

Smoke in peace, ~\U S.

Volunteer Fire Department of Colma Cigar Club

Les Amis du Cigar / George Sand Cigar Society at Remi

Caribou Club

Baccarat Club

Cigar Society at Florida State University

Cigar Connoisseurs of Chicago

Lasalle Grill Club

Great Plains Cigar Club

Cigar Connoisseur Club at San Domenico

Private Smoking Club
513-827-3792 / 321-5070

Blooms Cigar Camp

F.O.G. / Fraternal Order of Gar at Michael's Restaurant

Cigar Club at Town Point

Milwaukee Cigar Society at Edward's Tobacconist

Soccer and Cigar Club

Cigar Club Ltd.

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[ Likewise cribbed from alt.smokers.cigars. -S. ]

From: ?????????????????? (Kent Walker)
Subject: Some words from Twain

Well, this certainly is an interesting newsgroup.  Having read it since
the outset, all this talk of Havanas, Macanudos, and the like have made my
head spin.  It seems that Cigar Aficionado (published by the same people
who created instant wine experts via Wine Spectator) has had an extreme
influence on several impressionable new smokers.  Therefore, to strike a
balance and waste a little bandwidth, the following article, written by
one of America's most notorious smokers, is provided for those who have
not yet had an opportunity to read it. 

Please E-mail your protestations; I'm off for Graycliff tomorrow and 
won't be back in time to read them here.


Essays by Mark Twain


As concerns tobacco, there are many superstitions.  And the
chiefest is this--that there is a STANDARD governing the matter,
whereas there is nothing of the kind.  Each man's own preference
is the only standard for him, the only one which he can accept,
the only one which can command him.  A congress of all the
tobacco-lovers in the world could not elect a standard which
would be binding upon you or me, or would even much influence us.

The next superstition is that a man has a standard of his own.
He hasn't.  He thinks he has, but he hasn't.  He thinks he can
tell what he regards as a good cigar from what he regards as a
bad one--but he can't.  He goes by the brand, yet imagines he goes
by the flavor.  One may palm off the worst counterfeit upon him;
if it bears his brand he will smoke it contentedly and never suspect.

Children of twenty-five, who have seven years experience,
try to tell me what is a good cigar and what isn't.
Me, who never learned to smoke, but always smoked;
me, who came into the world asking for a light.

No one can tell me what is a good cigar--for me.  I am the
only judge.  People who claim to know say that I smoke the worst
cigars in the world.  They bring their own cigars when they come
to my house.  They betray an unmanly terror when I offer them
a cigar; they tell lies and hurry away to meet engagements
which they have not made when they are threatened with the
hospitalities of my box.  Now then, observe what superstition,
assisted by a man's reputation, can do.  I was to have twelve
personal friends to supper one night.  One of them was as
notorious for costly and elegant cigars as I was for cheap and
devilish ones.  I called at his house and when no one was looking
borrowed a double handful of his very choicest; cigars which cost
him forty cents apiece and bore red-and-gold labels in sign of
their nobility.  I removed the labels and put the cigars into a
box with my favorite brand on it--a brand which those people all
knew, and which cowed them as men are cowed by an epidemic.  They
took these cigars when offered at the end of the supper, and lit
them and sternly struggled with them--in dreary silence, for
hilarity died when the fell brand came into view and started
around--but their fortitude held for a short time only; then they
made excuses and filed out, treading on one another's heels with
indecent eagerness; and in the morning when I went out to observe
results the cigars lay all between the front door and the gate.
All except one--that one lay in the plate of the man from whom I
had cabbaged the lot.  One or two whiffs was all he could stand.
He told me afterward that some day I would get shot for giving
people that kind of cigars to smoke.

Am I certain of my own standard?  Perfectly; yes, absolutely
--unless somebody fools me by putting my brand on some other kind
of cigar; for no doubt I am like the rest, and know my cigar by
the brand instead of by the flavor.  However, my standard is a
pretty wide one and covers a good deal of territory.  To me,
almost any cigar is good that nobody else will smoke, and to me
almost all cigars are bad that other people consider good.
Nearly any cigar will do me, except a Havana.  People think they
hurt my feelings when then come to my house with their life
preservers on--I mean, with their own cigars in their pockets.
It is an error; I take care of myself in a similar way.  When I
go into danger--that is, into rich people's houses, where, in the
nature of things, they will have high-tariff cigars, red-and-gilt
girded and nested in a rosewood box along with a damp sponge,
cigars which develop a dismal black ash and burn down the side
and smell, and will grow hot to the fingers, and will go on
growing hotter and hotter, and go on smelling more and more
infamously and unendurably the deeper the fire tunnels down
inside below the thimbleful of honest tobacco that is in the
front end, the furnisher of it praising it all the time and
telling you how much the deadly thing cost--yes, when I go into
that sort of peril I carry my own defense along; I carry my own
brand--twenty-seven cents a barrel--and I live to see my family
again.  I may seem to light his red-gartered cigar, but that is
only for courtesy's sake; I smuggle it into my pocket for the
poor, of whom I know many, and light one of my own; and while he
praises it I join in, but when he says it cost forty-five cents I
say nothing, for I know better.

However, to say true, my tastes are so catholic that I have
never seen any cigars that I really could not smoke, except those
that cost a dollar apiece.  I have examined those and know that
they are made of dog-hair, and not good dog-hair at that.

I have a thoroughly satisfactory time in Europe, for all
over the Continent one finds cigars which not even the most
hardened newsboys in New York would smoke.  I brought cigars with
me, the last time; I will not do that any more.  In Italy, as in
France, the Government is the only cigar-peddler.  Italy has
three or four domestic brands:  the Minghetti, the Trabuco, the
Virginia, and a very coarse one which is a modification of the
Virginia.  The Minghettis are large and comely, and cost three
dollars and sixty cents a hundred; I can smoke a hundred in seven
days and enjoy every one of them.  The Trabucos suit me, too; I
don't remember the price.  But one has to learn to like the
Virginia, nobody is born friendly to it.  It looks like a rat-
tail file, but smokes better, some think.  It has a straw through
it; you pull this out, and it leaves a flue, otherwise there
would be no draught, not even as much as there is to a nail.
Some prefer a nail at first.  However, I like all the French,
Swiss, German, and Italian domestic cigars, and have never cared
to inquire what they are made of; and nobody would know, anyhow,
perhaps.  There is even a brand of European smoking-tobacco that
I like.  It is a brand used by the Italian peasants.  It is loose
and dry and black, and looks like tea-grounds.  When the fire is
applied it expands, and climbs up and towers above the pipe, and
presently tumbles off inside of one's vest.  The tobacco itself
is cheap, but it raises the insurance.  It is as I remarked in
the beginning--the taste for tobacco is a matter of superstition.
There are no standards--no real standards.  Each man's preference
is the only standard for him, the only one which he can accept,
the only one which can command him.

Kent Walker  ?????????????????? ????????????????????????????

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From: "Brian R. Zimmerman" <???????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest comments

Well, it's not about the Pipes Digest exactly.  It has to do with
the anti-smoking initiatives.  I hope it's not too far off the
subject, but I've noticed a marked similarity in the arguments
both for and against smoking compared to the arguments concerning
gun control.  Does it make you suspect (as it does to me) that
the anti-smoking crowd has seen some success against the Bill of
Rights and thus concludes (correctly) that if the Constitution
can be assaulted, wouldn't the same tactics be effective against
smoking, which does not have near the same level of guarantee
as the right to keep and bear arms?

Now, I think that commercial American cigarettes stink, but I
still can't bring myself to support banning them because I don't
like them.  Hell, I don't like oysters either.  And they can
harm folks as well as anything.  Go for it, if you want.  It's
your choice.

On the other hand, I appreciate a good cigar and a rare pipe of
quality tobacco.  But lots of people don't, so I'm careful of
the smoke, including wind direction.  I'll do my best to look
out for your space if you agree to do the same for me.

OK, OK, I'm probably preaching to the choir.  But check out for
yourself how similar are the tactics.  Am I just seeing things?
Brian R. Zimmerman [???????????] Standard disclaimers apply.
"But would you walk a mile for the Bill of Rights?"

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From: ????????????????????? (Ben Frank)
Subject: mailing list

Steve, you might as well keep me on the list with original address. What I
wondered was if you ever received my lenthy letter in which I told of my pipe
smoking experiences and likes. I was 69 in February and have been smoking a
pipe since I was 17, and cigars also. While in high school, I worked after
school in the train years of the New Haven railroad in Stamford, Conn. and
there was no smoking in the shops, and since I wasn't about to chew tobacco, I
chewed on cigars instead, and then began smoking them on my breaks and after
work. Since those days, I have come to appreciate good pipes, cigars, and
tobacco. One of the sources you didn't list was Fader's of Baltimore, whose
shop in Annapolis I shop at. Great walk-in cigar humidor with greater cigars. I
have been smoking a mixture of Fader's called Barrister, which has both Perique
and Latakia but not to an overwhelming amount. I also used to shop in another
great pipe store in Annapolis, The Smoke Shop, which has a tobacco called Black
and Gold which is a heavier perique/latakia mixture. I rarely go there anymore,
I'm sad to say, because it is downtown where parking is very difficult. I'll
have to go back soon, but as long as my tobacco and cigars last, no trip for a
while. Meanwhile, keep up the list and the news. I enjoy them both, and let's
confound the antismoking zealots, who are worse than the worst Puritans in our
history. Ben Frank

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From: ??????????????? (Jon Baker)
Subject: The War

> The war against tobacco is not new.  In 1604, King James I published
> the famous "Counterblaste to Tobacco," and banned the cultivation and
> use of tobacco in England.   Neither has this war ever been won, and 
> all prohibitions have ultimately been overturned through popular
> pressures.  We are part of the populace, and as such, must stand up
> and be counted.

In my brief studies of the history of anti-smoking movements over the
last 150 years in this country, all have ultimately been overturned
by the onset of a major (civil or world) war.

Jon Baker

[ On the other hand, the last prohibition was overturned in peacetime. -S. ]

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From: Mark Korchinski <???????????????????>
Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest

Hi Steve.
Well I got a couple of replies on my suggestion, but no turn out
at Dayton. I think the short notice and crummy weather (warm and wet 
Friday; cold and wet Saturday; cold and wet and windy Sunday) might
have been a factor. Saw a fair number of cigar 'totin hams, though.
Maybe next year I'll see if I can get the two cigar shops in town to
throw in some freebies. THEN there will be some interest, I bet.

BTW, there is a TinderBox in the Dayton Mall, and a nice little
tobacconist on Main Street about 3rd Ave. downtown (which unfortunately
was closed on Saturday).


[ Sorry there wasn't a meeting of the Smoked Hams, Mark! BTW, re
Tinder Boxes and the Resource Guide, I put all reco-ed shops in the
RG. Nothing against Tinder Boxes. In fact, I'm glad for _any_
tobacconist who manages to stay open these days, esp. those who tough
it out in the malls... -S. ]

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From: Adam Mindwolf <??????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994

Greetings, On the subject of American Spirit Tobacco I believe it is a 
cigarette variety. I was turned on to it on the last day of one of my 
computer classes. I was speaking with the assistant about the class and 
maybe ways of improving it when he pulls out this pouch and rolls himself 
a cigarette, I asked him what he smoked and he showed me the American 
Spirit label. We started talking about tobaccos and I decided to try a 
puff on his cigarette which he offered. I found it very tasty and 
needless to say I keep some with me when I don't have time to smoke my 
pipe. (I use a rolling machine by the way, my skills at hand rolling are 
poor to say the least:>)

Also, This man offered me a job as a computer consultant. So I guess 
smoking can lead to good things :>

[ As I've always asserted, Adam! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????????? (Adrian Gold)
Subject: Cigar > Davidoff Zino "Mouton Cadet"

It has been a while since I last contributed, I am happy to share with my
fellow cigar smokers a true gem... The Zino Mouton Cadet.

I found this thin, solidly packed Zino at the Davidoff shoppe on Montreal's
Sherbrooke Street West. What a fabulous, full bodied taste! Not a touch of acidity (unlike a awful dannemann that I also tried). That after-taste reminds me of
delicious black forest cake, though less aggresive, the taste lingers rather
than invade your palate. I can not recommend this cigar more highly.

Now that bad part... The cigar was 'on special', reduced from $Can 15- to
$Can 8-.... Add our 15.6% vat and your looking at about $Can 9.20 for a
6 inch by 3/8 inch cigar. Such price, heaven!

The Dannemann was equal in proportion, but at $Can 2.75, a cheap smoke, imagine
sucking on the exhaust of a diesel bus... But in terms of sheer annoyance power
("Whaddya mean i can't smoke seegars here, god dammit.. Puff puff ack ack ack)
it is hiroshima in a leaf.

Adrian Gold

[ Time for the Atomic Snappy Comeback, Adrian! -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

"No one said anything about my cigar when I was raising the flag on
Iwo Jima." [Or liberating Kuwait City.] 

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #142 - May 6, 1994
  2. Subject: Pipe Shop for Resource list
  3. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #141 - April...
  6. Subject: My first time
  7. Subject: Cigar clubs list
  8. Subject: Some words from Twain
  9. Subject: Pipes Digest comments
  10. Subject: mailing list
  11. Subject: The War
  12. Subject: Re: Dayton Hamfest
  13. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #141 - April 29, 1994
  14. Subject: Cigar > Davidoff Zino "Mouton Cadet"
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