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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #145 - June 3, 1994

		   Pipes Digest #145 - June 3, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 379

Welcome to new members:

	HAGENGRD		(?????????????????)
	Jay Watts		(???????????????)
	Geoffrey and 
	  Alijandra L. Mogilner	(?????????????????????????)
	Bobby D Jones		(???????????????????)
	David Sklar		(???????????????????????)
	Craig Lewis		(???????????????)
	Curt Miller		(??????????????????????)
	Bob Gorman		(?????????????????)
	John Steele		(??????????????)
	James Steven Salibo	(??????????????????????)
	Mark Davidson		(????????????????)
	???			(?????????????????????)
	Antonio A. Prado	(????????????????)
	???			(?????????????????????????)
	Harvey Katzen		(??????????????????)
	Arthur Haigh		(?????????????????????????)
	Gerald Belton		(????????????????)
	Ahmed Sako		(?????????????)
	Pedro Vera		(?????????????????????????)
	Greg Louis		(?????????????)
	???			(???????????????)
	James M. McLaughlin Jr	(???????????????????)
	Mike Simon		(?????????????????)
	Steve			(????????????????)

And join us now as we discuss Paris, the personals, the ceremonial
shattering of clays, and near-neonatal nicotania...

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ?????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May ...

Thanks for the Digest - the first I've seen. Excellent. Keep up the good
work! I noticed the ??? before my address. Sorry. My name: Charles Crawford -
?????????????? Bye and thanks  :-)

[ You're welcome! -S. ]

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From: "Steven Shoopak" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May 20, 1994

Well, now I'm working in NYC.  Not, bad, but a tiring commute.
There's a little place on 42nd and Madison, but I haven't been there when
they're open; however, on the way home I stand on the corner of 42nd and
6th, right next to Nat Sherman.  I walked in, sniffed around...not bad. 
However, what's your opinion of the place?  They >did< have The Ultimate
Pipe and The Ultimate Cigar Book there, and some other items on the Cigar
Afficianado, and a couple of nice pipes.


Steve Shoopak (President, Cybernetc Dynamics Inc.)

[ Glad to hear from you, Steve! Been quite some time. I might have
been there, but I'm not sure. BTW, John David closed here -- forced
out of the Quakerbridge Mall after 22 years as tenants, because the
mall went smoker-hostile. They're trying to make it as a mail-order
shop, I think... -S. ]

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From: JTH <????????????????????>

Thank you for stopping the abortion - smoking routine before it got too 
intense.  I am sure that we all have very strong feelings on both 
matters, however, I enjoy this newsgroup for the same reason that I enjoy 
my pipes (I have purchased another) or a good cigar.  The pipes newsgroup 
is a break from reality; a chance to leave the constant arguments and 
anger outside, where they belong.  I would hate to have to pick through 
the pipes newsgroup to find letters that have to do with cigars and 
pipes, rather than abortion, and politics.

No judgements from me.  Just please, keep the discussion to pipes, 
cigars, and tobacco.

A note to "???????????????": I agree with you 100% I enjoy the break from 
the routine.  I smoke cigars and pipes, I use a shaving brush, and drive 
a '69 Roadrunner.  IMHO, the "old ways" are the best.

BTW I have moved to Victoria, B.C. over the summer for work.  In this 
city at 1116 Government Street, there is a glorious tobacconist called 
Morris'.  If you're in the area (possibly for the `94 Commonwealth Games) 
check this place out.  It is another one of the old classics.

Until the next trip to Vancouver to check up on my e-mail
See Ya.

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From: ???????????????? (Jeff Lowell)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May 20, 1994

Steve:  I love those snappy comebacks at the end of every digest...  is the
book they're from widely available, or are they in the FAQ... I guess what
I'm trying to ask is -- where can I get a list of all of them? ;)
[ and later... ]

>From: "Kenneth R. McLeroy, Ph.D., Fax: 919 334-3248"
> <?????????????????????????>
>Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #143 -- May 13, 1994
>The Nording and 1 of the Savinelli apparently have soft
>spots towards the bottom of the bole, since the pipe has charred through the
>sides a bit. Is this normal, and is there any advice about what to do? 
>        In addition, the BJarne has begun charring on the outside of the bowl.
>I plan on taking it back to the pipe store, since there is an apparent flaw in
>the bowl.
Maybe you're not breaking them in properly.  Before you smoke a pipe the
first time, wet the inside of the bowl _immediately_ before smoking (just
lick your finger and run it inside), then smoke it all the way to the
bottom without stopping.  This will help lay a protective layer in the
bowl... and should take care of your problems.

*        Just send your e-mail to          *
*      ????????????????, and by some       *
*  rigorous combination of faith, machine  *
*      and credit card, Jeff Lowell        *
*               will get it.               *

[ Sent, Jeff! For those in our home audience who want to see the
answer, write & request... -S. ]

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From: Jason christen <?????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest Hello.

My name is Jason Christen and I have been receiving the pipes digest for
about a month or so, and I finally got time to write.  I am 20 years old
and am currently attending Bowling Green State University.  I have been
smoking cigars for about 3 years and every once in a while I smoke a pipe,
but cigars are my main thing.  I have found Pipes Digest very enjoyable
and I like to hear eveybodys stories.  If you do not mind I want to tell a
little story about my cigar smoking experience.
	I really did not get into smoking cigars until my freshman year in
college, but I would have to say it was one of the best things that have
ever happened to me.  Durring my first year I lived with my best friend of
18 years in one of the dorms on campus.  We started smoking cigars
together and we found that it brought us closer together.  Since Bowling
Green State University's buildings are non-smoking my best friend and I
had to find a place to smoke our new found treasures.  We tried different
benches and steps outside of buildings, but these did not seem to suit our
needs.  Finally we  found a little hallway that was between two of the
older buildings on campus, it was perfect.  This hallway soon became a
temple for Ben and I.  We spent many nights smoking our cigars and
discussing our plans for the future.  The smoking hall was great, it was a
place where we could unwind and forget about the cares of the world.  I
think that cigars are the greatest gift to man, and to have a special
place to smoke them makes it even more wonderful.
	Oh, one more thing, I am looking for a woman who does not mind
cigar smoking.  I almost asked a total stranger to mary me once because
she told me that my cigar sure smelled nice.
	Enjoy your smokes, and forget about the worries of the world.
		Jason Christen<?????????????????????>

[ Don't give up, Jason! Ever consider a personal ad: "Self-descriptive
adjectives male seeks non-boring SF for mutual pampering. Must
appreciate honesty, Lamborghinis, and the aroma of a good cigar."
Well, it's a thought... -S. ]

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From: Steve Weinberg/HQ/3Com

(From May 13th Pipes Digest) " An understanding tobacconist, to whom I
confided my plight, put me onto Villiger cigars, a box of which I'm
currently enjoying.  And here's my question -- what other cheap type
cigars are worth my trying?  I like (as far as I can tell) a
relatively mild cigar, but one with a bit of flavour.  I don't like
cigars that taste like the after-effects of a bushfire; that is to
say, I like the cigar to have a "refined" sort of taste."

I have smoked Villagers for several years now.  I usually take them
traveling because I was told by several knowledgeable people that it
was a "dry" cigar and would therefore not have to be kept in a
humidified environment.  I am not sure about that, can others confirm?
I smoke Uppman's Churchill's at home.  What I do know about the
Villiger is that they are from Switzerland where they are relatively
low priced there about $3.50 for 5 pack.  That was the only bargain I
ever found in Switzerland other than some good chocolate. They come in
square and round or "rund" shapes and the ones in Switzerland are made
from real Havana tobacco.  There are the other Villager cigars, the
"Export" stuff, which is sent over to the US and supposedly is made
from Dominican leaf Havana seed tobacco.  In the US, the back of the
five pack boxes are crossed over where they used to say "Made from
Havana Tobacco".  The ones in Switzerland are a bit stronger and
different shapes are available compared to the US versions where I've
only seen two square sizes.  I found that several of the airport duty
free shops in Germany, England and Ireland sold the Swiss version of
them in larger boxes of 25 "to go."  Steve Weinberg

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From: Mark Korchinski <???????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May 20, 1994

Hi Steve. I just happened to be in Rochester for the Hamfest last weekend
and we stayed in Geneva. Very nice area. Will have to come back
and explore the lakes region better.  We saw the signs to be wineries-
and just what/how good are NY wines? A bottle of red with a Montecristo
would gone together very well.

Mark K.

BTW, the hamfest was excellent. In some ways I find the flea market
better than Dayton.

[ Some of the NY wines can be quite good, IMHO. Tnx 4 QSL de /2. -S. ]

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From: CRAIG HAAS 703-308-8682 <??????????????????????????>
Subject: General babble

          Just some random thoughts here:
               I rarely smoke more than a bowlful every other day.  That 
          probably puts me a the low end of the spectrum, but I find I have 
          a delicate mouth, and my enjoyment diminishes greatly if I exceed 
          this.  (I have trouble sleeping on mattresses with peas in them, 
          too....)  Besides, I enjoy the aftertaste that can last for a day 
          sometimes, and if I smoke more than every other day, I don't get 
          that same effect.
               As a result, I probably haven't built up any decent chars on 
          my pipes (I have four, two of which I use most of the time.)  The 
          two I smoke most are both medium to low priced pipes.  I have a 
          Nording freehand that I bought in a fit of self indulgence that 
          I'm slowly getting the hang of.  Any words of advice?
               It is also taking me some time to develop a discriminating 
          palate, so my knowledge of tobaccos is very limited.  One that I 
          have found that I like a lot is Orkney, from John Crouch at the 
          Scottish Merchant in Alexandria, Virginia.  It's an aromatic with 
          a bit of Latakia for some oomph.
               Given the state of the world, I'm also a closet puffer.  
          Neither of my housemates appreciates the art, so I've been forced 
          into the great outdoors.  And since I don't have any pipe-smoking 
          friends I can't seek comfort in another person's home.  What a 
          lonely existence!!!  Anybody out there in the Washington, DC 
               Thanks for your valuable service to mankind by keeping these 
          digests coming!

[ Will do, Craig! And it might be wise to consider trolling for new
housemates... -S. ]

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From: Kenneth Suh <????????????????>
Subject: Cigar Directory

So far, I have compiled addresses/telephone numbers for stores in the
following states:

(STATE: No. of stores)
CA: 2
CT: 1
DC: 1
FL: 2
GA: 2
IL: 3
NV: 1
NJ: 1
NM: 1
NY: 8
NC: 1
OH: 1
PA: 1
UT: 1
VA: 1

Plus, there is one listing in Canada.
Canada: 1

Cigar Shop Directory

Grant's Tobacconist
562 Market St.
San Francisco, CA  94104
(415) 981-1000
Probably the best tobacconists in San Francisco proper (in the
Financial District, of course)

Downtown Tobacco & News
70 East Santa Clara St.
San Jose, CA  95113

Peter's Smoke Shop
Main Street
Sharon, CT  06069

Georgetown Tobacco And Pipe Store
3144 M Street NW
Washington, DC 20007
Tobacco, cigars, pipes, and smoking accessories.

Mike's Cigars
465 41st Street
Miami Beach, FL  33140
Great place.  Only Cigars.  Been around for ages!

Thompson Cigar Co.
5401 Hanger Court
Tampa, FL  33601
Free brochure available.

Royal Cigar Co.
1776 Peachtree St. NE
Atlanta, GA

Ye Ole Tobacco Shop
131 West River Street 
Savannah, GA  31401
Great Cigar and Pipe Selection, Ship anywhere.

Iwan Ries & Co.
17 South Wabash
Chicago, IL 60603
312-372-1416 (fax)
Free brochure available.

Old Chicago Smoke Shop
169 N. Clark St.
Chicago, IL
Free brochure.

Old Chicago Smoke Shop
Mail Order Division
3300 West Devon
Lincolnwood, IL  60659
They have a good selection.

Las Vegas Cigar Co.
3665 S. Las Vegas Bl.
Las Vegas, NV  89109

Joseph Orman
1636 Kings Hwy.
Cherry Hill, NJ  08034
Free brochure.

Tinder Box
In Coronado Center
Albuquerque, NM
(505) 883-6636
It is in my opinion that the only place worth trying in Albuquerque, NM is
the Tinder Box at the Coronado Center Mall.

Wally Frank, Ltd.
63-25 69th Street
Middle Village, NY  11379

Alfred Dunhill of London
60 E. 56th Street
New York, NY  10022
Smoking accessories and related leather items.  Annual brochure available.

Arnold Tobacco Shop, Inc.
323 Madison Ave.
New York, NY

Barclay-Rex Pipe Shop
70 E. 42nd St.
New York, NY
Right next to Grand Central Station.

Davidoff of Geneva
535 Madison Ave.
New York, NY  10022
Great selection.  Pricey.  Helpful to a novice like me.

De La Concha
1390 Ave. of the Americas (Betw. 56th & 57th Streets)
New York, NY  10019
Very wide selection of Cigars.  Not as stuffy as Davidoff, Dunhill, or
Nat Sherman.  Authorized Davidoff dealer.  Open until 8:30 p.m. weekdays
and 8:00 p.m. on Saturdays.

Famous Smoke Shop
55 W. 39th Street
New York, NY  10018-3895
Free brochure available.  They have excellent service, a good selection,
and good prices. They also have a free catalog.

Nat Sherman
500 Fifth Ave.
New York, NY  10110
212-246-8639 (fax)
Good selection.  Not as pricey as Davidoff's, but not cheap either.
Helpful to novices.  Semi-annual brochure available.

J R Tobacco
"Right on I-95"
Selma, NC

Name: Jungle Jims Supermarket Cigar Shoppe
Address: Route 4 (Dixie Highway)
Phone Number: Fairfield, Ohio
Great Selection.  This supermarket is a trip. They have talking animals
that sing Elvis songs. They have the best selection of ethnic foods
in the midwest.  Half the people shopping at Jungle Jims don't speak
English. They have THE best fruits and vegetables around. Their tobacco
shop is small, but their humidor is jammed full of tons of different 
cigars. You can handle the cigar and prowl through the humidor without
being hassled by anybody. They also have a wine shop that's GIANT!

Holt's Tobacconist
114 S. 16th St.
Philadelphia, PA  19103

Jeanne's Smoke Shop
153 S. State St.
Salt Lake City, UT  
Only halfway decent cigar shop in Utah. Friendly service. Nice 
wooden Indian.

H. Uppman
P.O. Box 24146W
Richmond, VA  23224

Havana House
Cumberland St.
Toronto, ONT

If you have any suggestions, please E-Mail them to me.  If you would
like to add your favorite tabacconist to the directory, please try and
follow the format I have used.


[ Ken isn't a Digest member, but I thought the membership would
appreciate his efforts. Someone should really set up a database of the
remaining smoke shops... -S. ]

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From: "DON HAGENGRUBER ORAU/ORISE [email protected] 615-576-3054 575-3054"
Subject: New user appreciates the welcome

Steve, thank you for the introductory material and the welcome.  And, so I
don't forget, I would appreciate any of the older digests you could pull out
of your archieve and send my way.

As with one of your most recent new members, I too have been smoking a pipe
for about 30 plus years.  Since I am but a few months shy of my 45th birthday,
it's plain I started young.  My grandfather gave me a corn cob pipe one time
when we went fishing one time near where I was born in northern Wisconsin.  And
since it was his wish to fish most of the lakes in that area, I had plenty of
time to use it.  I am not sure what tobacco he used, and since my recollection
was that it looked like something scraped off the bottom of a table in a diner,
maybe it's just as well to forget it.  But I do remember the corn cobs he gave
me since they always had the six inch bamboo stem and the mouthpiece was one
of the "knuckles" or joints on the bamboo.  Even after I started collected
some better pipes, I would always keep a few of those corn cobs around.  Still
do, but I have been unable to find the old ones with just the cob and just the
bamboo stem.  Does anyone have a source of supply of those old ones?  As for
smoking, I mostly smoke around the house now that we have limited smoking at
work to a little gulag outside each building where folks huddle around while
smoking.  Public pillory I guess.  And, since I had an office with a door, I
enjoyed smoking a pipe or two during the day.  But that was then and this is
now.  As for home now, East Tennessee is home and we have a excellent pipe and
cigar shop in Knoxville called Smokey's, and Smokey's son is very good at
repairing pipes.  I brought about a dozen and a half pipes with broken bits
with me when I moved from Washington DC to here, and since I haven't suffered
a broken bit in the five years I have lived here, I think I have good proof
that one can break out of the tension and stress of DC and lead a better life.
Well, even though pipe smokers probably have good wind from not smoking
cigarettes, I think I ought not prove how long winded I can be with much more
of a message.  I look forward to corresponding with you and others who
appreciate pipes and who understand just how much smoke is being blown about
by those who would stick us outside our place of work or favorite restaurant.
Don Hagengruber   ?????????????????

[ It's kind of interesting how may peoples' fathers or grandfathers
started them on pipes... welcome! -S. ]

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From: SYSTEM ADMIN <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: cigar postage

Could you tell me the current price for a box of 25 Monte Cristo No.1's in 
the USA ?

Do you know what the regulations are concerning the actual postage of cigars
to the USA from the UK ?

Would you know of any interested buyers ?

Thanks for your previous reply.


[ Any of our readers know the answers? -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????????
Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco

>If you are interested in joining the Pipes Mailgroup, please reply to
>this message, and give your preferred mailpath. Thanks!

I smoke cigars.  I live in the no-smoking town of Davis, CA.  I need all
the friends I can get...

Curt Miller


[ Anyone else in Davis, CA or environs want to drop Curt a line and
hang out? I like to think the Pipes Mailgroup is friendly, but there's
nothing like the personal approach... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????? (David Sklar)
Subject: Introduction to y'all.

Hi folks.  I'm quite a newcomer to the exciting world of pipes [and 
I smoke the occasional cigar] so I hope to learn a lot.
	I'm a sophomore at Yale University in New Haven, CT, who
will probably major in Computer Science and Philosophy, or just
Computer Science.
	May 23rd was commencement here, and I learned of a nice
tradition here:  all the seniors get little clay pipes and some
tobacco. Apparently, they are supposed to smoke the pipes and then
crush them, symbolizing their graduation.
	That's not the nice part, however. :)  It is that I have
lots of friends who just graduated but don't smoke, so I got
them to give me their tobacco. Heh heh. :)

Looking forward to some informative and friendly discourse,
Dave Sklar

[ Never knew of that tradition, Dave! Thanks for the line! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Brad Williams)
Subject: Youngest Smoker.

Perhaps I'm a bit behind on the youngest smoker contest, but I just got 
this story recently.

I was smoking a cigar with my sister's boyfriend last weekend and we 
started talking about how we got started smoking.  He told me that his 
grandmother (!) had taught him how to smoke a cigar at age 6.  It seems 
that her husband (who had died) had been a cigar smoker and she really 
missed the smell of it in the house.  When he was 6 she told him that he 
was old enough to learn how to smoke, so she taught him to cut it, get it 
lit, and come by the ashtray every so often to take a puff so it didn't 
burn out.

Well, it's not a pipe, but 6?  That, IMHO, takes it.

-- BW

|Brad Williams   |"Personally, I believe a hammock, a cigar and a gin and   |
|????????????????|tonic is the best way to save the planet." - P.J. O'Rourke|

[ There was a kid in England, many years back, named Lee Goult, who
was smoking a pipe at age 2. Laugh-In did a short bit on him, which
gives you an idea of the time frame. I think that'll probably take
it... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????
Subject: Intro reciprocated

Occasional pipe smoker since 1972 -- 12 to 40 bowls per *year*.  But
when the urge comes, it's a wonderful pleasure that brings a peace
"that passeth understanding."

I own just four pipes; two bent; and two straight, one with a
meerschaum block lining; the other a traditional apple-shaped briar.
The bents are both el cheapo mass-production items; one, though, is
an anti-lemon: very very pleasant smoking, cool and not too wet
(unless I get hasty!!).  Cavendish, black or otherwise, is my
preferred twaway to prepare of tobacco.  As for tobacconists, I'found
two favourites in the 22 years (both are still there): Sherlock's
Haven in "the city" (San Francisco), and Au Caid on the Boul'Mich in

Ben voyons... thinking of Au Caid makes me want to go light one...
Greg Louis         | "'Minime aberrasti,' dixit Pu,
?????????????      | 'sed aberrasti a folliculo!'"
finger for pgp key |

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(The Clint Eastwood:) "Think of me as a grenade. This cigar is my pin.
I might be a dud of a grenade. Well, punk, do you feel lucky today? Is
he a dud or a live grenade? Go ahead, pull my pin."  

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #145 - June 3, 1994
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May ...
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May 20, 1994
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May 20, 1994
  5. Subject: Pipes Digest Hello.
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #144 -- May 20, 1994
  7. Subject: General babble
  8. Subject: Cigar Directory
  9. Subject: New user appreciates the welcome
  10. Subject: Re: cigar postage
  11. Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco
  12. Subject: Introduction to y'all.
  13. Subject: Youngest Smoker.
  14. Subject: Intro reciprocated
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