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Subject: Pipes Digest #149 -- July 15, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #149 -- July 15, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 434

Welcome to new members:

	Bruce E. Gillespie	(???????????????????)
	Gregory Ray		(???????????????????????)
	Bill Ulicny		(???????????????????????)
	Mark			(???????????????????)
	Richard Hoenes		(?????????????????????????????)
	Stan Suther		(?????????????????????????)
	Bob Birt		(?????????????????????????)
	Eric M. Kleinpaste	(??????????????????????)
	Michael Lehmann		(???????????????)
	Fritz Zimmerman		(???????????????????????????)

BTW, I'm testing out some new software to automate subscriptions and
submissions. If any new member has _not_ received the introductory
package, or if you have any other problems with receiving the Digest,
please let me know.

Also BTW, does anyone have the new address/phone for the Wilke Pipe
Shop, ex of Manhattan, now in Vermont somewhere? I sent them a GBD to
be repaired (in an envelope they sent me gratis), and I haven't heard
back from them in a month and a half. Time for a call...

And join us now as we light our battered briars, rock out on the
porch, and discuss our destiny...


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From: Jeff Pitblado <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #147 - July 8, 1994

> it *is* appropriate!  And, in California, I *have* been hassled while
> smoking outside in the open air.  Please think about it and don't give
> up your freedoms quite so cavalierly.
> 
I don't know where in California Joe lives, but here in Santa Barbara,
I've beenhassled for smoking in my _car_.  The lady was following me
for about 5 or 6 miles before whe finally passed me and held her nose
and made some stupid face.  I was hoping she would pull up to me again
after she passed so I could offer her a cigar.

Jeff
(not the one who has caused so much talk lately)

[ She was one of the mind-yer-own-business-ally challenged, no
doubt... -S. ]


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From: ???????????????? (Jeff Lowell)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #147 - July 8, 1994

Jeff "The Traitor" Lowell checking in. ;)

Rather than try to answer everything, I'll just thank those who agreed with
me, and post a general clarification to others.

I think there are two extremes of thought here, and like most polarizing
debates, people on both extremes are worried that any compromise will
ultimately mean the utter erosion of their rights.

Well, I'm all for compromise, and I sincerely believe that it won't spell
the end of smoking as we know it.  I should be able to smoke outside and in
the privacy of my own home, at the very least.  Some people say that
they've been hassled while smoking outside... well, I've been hassled for a
lot of things that are my right to do, and I simply stand up for myself.
(Memorize a few of the snappy comebacks at the end of every digest.)  If
legislation was introduced that banned me from smoking outside, I would
fight it... however, I really do not believe such legislation will ever be
introduced.

The question of smoking in the house, specifically an apartment, is a
trickier one.  I would fight legislation that said I couldn't smoke in an
apartment, but if someone complained about it in the absence of
legislation... well, the only way someone could know if I were smoking in
my house is if they could smell the smoke.  So, if someone _did_ complain,
I would try to keep my smoke from getting to them, so they had nothing to
complain about.

This actually happened to me at work:  my office is near the intake vent
for the air conditioning.  All winter, I smoked with no problems.  But come
summer, when I smoked, the people in other offices complained about the
smell of my cigars.  Obviously they could smell it -- they wouldn't have
known to complain otherwise.  So, I simply bought a fan for my window
pointed out -- end of complaints.  If I couldn't have stopped the cigar
smell from permeating the building, I wouldn't have liked it, but I would
have respected the other people and stopped smoking.

As Voltaire said, "one must tend one's own garden."  Or something very
close to that -- it's been a few years. ;)

Jeff

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[ Quite a reasonable viewpoint, I'd say, Jeff. And there are no
traitors here; just people with differing opinions. 

But, between our homes and the whole world, there is still some
disputed turf on the issue of where people are allowed to smoke.
Unless the antis are opposed, they will seize it. Personally, I'm of
the libertarian persuasion where this is concerned --- let society do
its own social engineering, and keep the government out of it. -S. ]


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From: "Zac Anderson" <????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest Personal Info and Intro

	Hi Steve and fellow pipers, just dropping a note to introduce
myself and what I think about smoking.  Im 21 years old and i'm 
currently attending Elgin Community College here in Elgin, IL.
Im a CS Major currently finishing up on an Associates Degree. I
plan on transfering to Winona State, MN next spring.

	Okee enuff of that.  I enjoy smoking very much.  I prefer
nice big fat cigars which last a LONG time.  Currently I like the 
A. Fuente Gran Reserva, it's a fatty so you best watch it!
I have been smoking everything I can {:) for the last few years.
I hope we can get this newsletter/mailinglist ROCKIN! Thanks to 
Steve and all of you, now I have found my destiny!

[ The list already _is_ ROCKIN! Out on the front porch, with a cat on
its lap and a faithful briar alight... :-) Welcome to your destiny,
Zac! -S. ]


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From: "Chris Reinhart (303)556-3684" <????????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Introduction

Steve,
	Thanks for signing me on to the Pipes Digest.  I've received 
several now and would appreciate it if you would send me numbers 1 - 
144.  I am enjoying what I've been reading so far.
	As a new member I'll introduce myself.  I'm 40 and have been
smoking pipes (with occasional forays into cigar and cigarette land)
since I was 17.  I've never been able to afford any really good brand
name pipes but enjoy immensely the few middle of the road pipes and 
a couple of slightly better than middle of the road pipes that I have
been given by friends over the years.  As far as tobacco, I lean towards
the English blends with Wally Franks' "Istanbul" being a favorite.
There are few tobacconists here in Denver and the couple that I 
consider worth a visit are quite a long trip across town.  As a result
I usually mail order most of my tobacco - so I much appreciate your
introductory digest with the list of tobacconists, etc.
	I am somewhat of a pariah in my family since I am the only
one who smokes.  My father used to smoke a pipe but gave it up a 
number of years ago (he and I used to go on long car trips through
the Rockies and I inevitably would get violently car sick with the
combination of his smoke, the altitude and the windy mountain 
roads - so I'm sympathetic to those who don't like second hand 
smoke).  My wife grudingly tolerates my smoking so I try to smoke 
outdoors or in the garage only.  So, as can be imagined, I appreciate
and enjoy this forum very much.
	I'll end with a question:  I was given a rather nicely 
grained pipe a number of years back with the name "Marcini" stamped
on the side and "Italy" on the shank.  I've never seen this make 
mentioned in any pipe literature that I've read.  Can anyone out 
there tell me something about this pipe maker?

[ Nobody here but us pariahs, Chris; welcome! And sorry, never heard
of Marcini. Any others? -S. ]


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From: Richard Hoenes <?????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

> From: Neil Flatter <???????????????????????????>
> Subject: smoking in public
> 
> The other extension of this analogy is warning labels.  We are
> required by Federal Law (29CFR1910) to communicate the hazards inside
> a container w/ a warning label.  We are also required to have
> complete information on each of these items in the form of a Material
> Safety Data Sheet (MSDS).  Recent legal actions are trying to
> discount the same type of warning printed on cigarette packages.
> [And I note that I have never seen such a warning on my pipe tobacco
> or on a cigar.]  How will the effect other industries that utilize
> warning labels?  All I'm asking for is consistancy.

I have seen such a warning on some cigars and pipe tobacco from the 
state of California. I don't have it with me but I believe it was
a warning about possible reproductive harm and/or other health
problems. 

Richard

[ I've seen it too, on almost every tinned tobacco product. JR Cigar
even printed it on their invoice, which they mailed to my
cigar-tradin' partner in California. (Didja get the Valverdes yet?) -S. ]


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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your address

[ Personal correspondence deleted... just wanted to pass along a neat
.sig line :-) -S. ]

``A gift of tobacco means respect.'' -- Linda Anfuso, Mowak, Abenaki nation.

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From: ??????????????????? (Mark Landers)
Subject: pipes & cigars

Steve,

Thanks for sending me another copy of #148; there seems to be a
learning curve to using this mail reading software correctly.

To anyone who believes that the second-hand smoke studies *might*
have some basis in fact just think back to a decade ago. If you
lived in a big city do you remember garbage incinerators? There was
one in every apartment building here in New York City belching out
enormous volumes of choking smoke at least once a day. Do you
remember early diesel-powered buses and the clouds of noxious fumes
they expelled? Do you remember burning leaves in the autumn?
Everybody in NY at that time lived in an environment full of the 
smoke from incomplete combustion products. Was it good for us? Of 
course it wasn't, but we didn't all choke to death or get lung 
cancer. What person in his/her right mind could believe that an
occasional whiff of tobacco smoke could be *more* damaging than all
that?

I'd like to recommend a cigar store in Brooklyn I go to
occasionally. Walk-in humidor, nice selection of pipe tobaccos,
will special order for you and reasonable prices. The Cigar
Emporium at 1953 86th St. between 19th & 20th Aves ("B" train to
20th Ave).

      Mark Landers      |     The object of opening the mind,
                        |        as of opening the mouth,
  ???????????????????   | is to close it again on something solid
                        |          - G. K. Chesterton

[ Where I live, trucks and buses, and the cars that manage to hose the
emissions tests, _still_ expel great billows of thick black smoke. And
it ain't even pleasant, like a pipe. And anyway, they'll never let you
into a ball game with a lit Greyhound clenched between your
teeth... -S.]


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From: ????????????????????????? (Robert Birt)
Subject: PIPES TOBAC FINDING OUT WHO IS OUT THERE

STEVE,

I SAW YOUR ADDRESS IN THE JOURNAL AND THOUGHT I WOULD DROP A LINE. I
AM A SMOKER COLLECTOR/ CONSUMER OF THE HERB/BRIAR. MANY NICE PIECES OF WOOD
AND A CELLAR (SMALL) OF OUT OF STOCK TINS. 

I WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF BARRY LEVINE. STILL HURTS TO SAY WAS. SINCE HIS
PASSING I HAVE LOST SOME OF MY INTEREST BUT IT APPEARS TO BE REKINDLING.

PERHAPS WHEN YOU HAVE A MOMENT YOU COULD CHECK IN AND LET ME KNOW IF THERE
IS GROUP OR WHATEVER ON THE NET. IF ANYTHING IT WOULD BE NEAT TO HAVE
SOMEONE TO CONVERSE WITH. OTTAWA, CANADA IS NOT THE CENTER OF BRIAR IT WAS
ONCE...IT IS LONG DRIVE TO JT'S IN VERMONT.

HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU

BOB BIRT
OTTAWA

[ There _is_ a group on the net, and you're on it! I Only met Barry
briefly, just before he passed on, but I liked him too. Feel free to
converse anytime. -S. ]


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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(At a singles bar; the Fool's Bluff:) "I'm an artist. My medium is
smoke."

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,
				  1987. 

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #149 -- July 15, 1994
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #147 - July 8, 1994
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #147 - July 8, 1994
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest Personal Info and Intro
  5. Subject: Introduction
  6. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  7. Subject: Re: Your address
  8. Subject: pipes & cigars
  9. Subject: PIPES TOBAC FINDING OUT WHO IS OUT THERE
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