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Subject: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994

		  Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 455

Welcome to new members:

	 Freddy				(????????????????)
	 John Mayfield			(?????????????????)
	 Arthur				(????????????????????)
	 Andy Karp			(???????????????????????)
	 John Green			(????????????????????)
	 David Heller			(????????????????)
	 Chris Mah			(???????????????????)
	 Ian Jensen			(???????????????????????????)
	 Ruffin Prevost			(????????????????)

And a special "welcome back" to our founding member, Elias Mazur!
We've come a long way since Elias first proposed rec.pipes, and
started the chain of events that led to the creation of the
Digest. Ten times the original membership, three newsgroups,
distribution on CompuServe... and still rolling along, after five
years. (Gosh, has it been _that_ long?)

But now, step out onto the porch, puff a midsummer bowl alight, and
join us as we discuss muskets, the first-ever controversy over the
Snappy Comeback, tobacco touring, and, er, camel cookies redux...

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			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ?????????????????????????
Subject:      Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994

re: Tours in NC. There are a number of cigarette factories in
Winston-Salem and Richmond(Va) that offer tours of their manufacturing
plants. There is a small tobacco museum out side Kenly NC(I-95) which
will give you some idea of the far ming aspects of the plant. For pure
enjoyment (incl. smell) you might visit our of the local nc tobacco
auctions. The market open yesterday (7/21) on the Eastern
Belt. Wilson, Rocky Mt, Greenville are in the center of the the bright
leaf tobacco belt. Some good places to visit and you can see the
plants growing in the fields and the harvesting taking place. Pipe and
Cigar tobacco is (burley) grown I think in Kentucky and places like
central america and the conn. river v aley not nc and va. Have a nice

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: General questions

     I have a bunch of questions that I hope some readers could help me with.
 Recently I went to a tobacconist in the area that was selling old estate
pipes (a Tinder Box in the mall, if you can believe that).  I happened to
come across a very unusually shaoed pipe that sort fo looks like an old
powder horn for a musket.  Smaller that that obviously but that shape.  It
was made in France by Claude Romain.  Has anyone ever heard of this brand?
 Also, what exactly do they do to clean estate pipes?  The guy mumbled
something about "boiling" the pipe in wax or something like that.  It didnt'
really matter to me becauseI liked the way it looked and it was only $20.00
so I figured What the Hell and bought it.  When I loaded the pipe and smoked
it however (with a blend whose flaover I was familiar with) it tasted REALLY
different.  Not bad, just really different.  I figured whoever the sod was
who owned this pipe smoked some English blends or something.  My question is
that with estate pipes or any pipe, how long does it take for the old taste
of previous tobacco to go out of the bowl.  Should I season the bowl with
brandy or just clean it out with alcohol, or just keep stubbornbly smoking it
until it tastes the way it should.
  One more thing.  At the Cincinnati Tobacconist the other day I was told to
pick up a tin of tobacco called "Bengal Slices" (having also read about it in
the Pipe Smokers Ephemeris) .  So I did.  I did not realize that it was
pressed into cakes (I guess I should have figured that by the name, eh?).
 How do you smoke these?  I like the way it smells in the tin, but I don't
know if I just crumble it into the bowl, or shred it with a knife first, or
even mix it with another tobacco to smoke it.  What do I need to do?
     Does anyone have any information about mixing/blending one's own
tobacco?  It sounds interesting, and I have a few blends that while they
aren't great by themselves, if mixed I think they would taste much better.
 But I heard somewhere that they had to be "married" together somehow.  Any
  I mentioned in a previous issue about a book on Smoking and Society that
attempts to give a balanced view on the smoking controversy.  I have found a
place that has a few more copies available if anyone wants a copy, let me
know.  Only two people asked last time, so I figured everyone may not have
read about it.  If interested let me know and I could get a copy sent to you
for about $8.00 or so.

For the resource guide:
Straus Tobacconist
412 Walnut Street
Cincinnati,  OH  45202
(513) 621 - 3388
They have been around since 1880 and they do a mail order catalog.  They also
have a store in Lexington KY but it is not nearly as large as the one in
Cincy (Walk in Humidor and the whole bit).

[ Thanks for all, Lenrd, and I _will_ get to my copy, RSN... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: #2(2) Pipes Digest #150 -...

Hi, Steve;

(Posting 2 weeks in a row for me is a first!)

Many thanks to Tom for his TEXT FILE ABOUT PIPE SMOKING. I really enjoyed it.
While there may be things to debate in it, I'm not going to, because
reasonable people can enjoy their pleasures differently. I did want to point
out one factual issue, however. 

Tom, you refer to "Cavendish or English tobacco".

They are two quite different things. Cavendish is a tobacco flavored with
sugar, Maple, or rum. English tobacco is a blend of unflavored tobaccos (from
an old Brittish law that banned adding anything to tobacco). To add flavor to
tobacco, the English use tobaccos that have strong flavors of their own like
Latakia and Perique. As I recall, Latakia (from Syria) is cured over camel
dung fires, and Perique (from Louisiana) is fermented in its own juice after
pressing. English tobacco is one of the two general types of blended
tobaccos; the other is Aromatic.

Aromatic tobaccos are usually sweet, and can be mild if the flavoring isn't
overpowering. Their "second hand smoke" is frequently appreciated by
non-smokers. English tobaccos tend to have a bitter (but pleasant) taste and
an aroma that non-smokers sometimes find objectionable.

Smoke in peace...


[ There was some discussion on the camel dung issue a few Digests
back... the resolution was, "not anymore if ever..." -S. ]

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From: George Scheer <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994

Comments from a recent contributor caused me to consider pipe lighters. 
I've been smoking pipes regularly for more than twenty years, and I have
used just about every means to ignite them at one time or another, from a
pocket full of wooden kitchen matches -- at twenty-two, it seemed cool to
light them with a thumbnail -- at least until the day the head of a big
old Diamond lodges under the thumbnail and fairly explodes into flame --
to several very elegant pipe lighters given to me as gifts.  Along the
way, I've used book matches, liquid-fuel lighters of the Zippo and other
persuasions, and butane lighters from cheap throwaways to gold lighters
worth more than my first automobile.  I could go on about any of the
various means and methods, but instead I will spare my readers and say
only that I can heartily recommend one particular brand of lighter -- IMCO

This lighter has many virtues -- but basically they all boil down to the
fact that it does the job extremely well and it doesn't cost a nickel more
than it needs to.  The IMCO is Austrian.  It's a refillable plastic butane
lighter made specifically for pipes.  It's adjustable, refillable,
durable, and light.  It doesn't look like junk, but it's not exactly
handsome -- and it won't walk away as I have had some valuable lighters
do.  And if it does, it doesn't represent a week's wages.  I used to buy
them for three bucks; my last one was something like six.  I have enjoyed
a few expensive lighters, but I have come to the point where I don't like
to walk around with anything in my pocket I can't afford to lose.  The
IMCO has a large butane capacity, so even with liberal use it goes weeks
without refilling.  On the other hand, it's light, which is important if
you never get dressed without it in your pocket.  I've had some very
expensive pipe lighters that worked very well but felt like a pair of
brass knuckles in your pants pocket.  The IMCO uses standard flints and
has a place inside to stash a spare one so you never have to drop the
hammer on an empty chamber.  The flame adjusts with a large knurled wheel
on the bottom that, unlike some other lighters, does not require a long
fingernail or a jeweler's screwdriver to adjust.  And even though it's
easy to grasp and turn, the wheel doesn't wander in your pocket.  It stays
adjusted where you leave it.  The adjustment wheel has a clear window so
you can check the butane level.  The butane valve is a standard fitting,
so you can buy cheap butane anywhere to refill it.  This is a humble
instrument -- it's a Timex watch, a Craftsman wrench, a Boston pencil
sharpener.  It won't impress anyone.  The IMCO is just the best tool for
the job that I've found in twenty years of firing pipe tobacco. 

George Scheer
Chapel Hill, North Carolina

[ Thanks! And see below re lighters. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Elias Mazur)
Subject: Hi Steve...


Remember me, Elias, the first guy ever to suggest a pipes newsgroup.  I'm
sure you do.  How are you ?  After a long period in net-darkness I finally
got back.  I see you are now working at Siemens ( I assume from your
address) so I also assume you got your Phd.  Congrats!

I've been peeking at .pipes and .cigars newsgroups and I am really happy we
are finally getting somewhere.  I've only got back to the net a few weeks
ago so I'm still rusty.  Soon will be more active :-)

Well, I now work for a software company called Uniface which is located in
San Francisco, but since my job is to provide tech support for clients in
South America, I can pretty much live anywhere with an airport.  So I now
live in Wahington DC.  I've been going to Mexico very often, and of course
have enjoyed many Cuban cigars available there.

Well, good to get in touch again.  Please add my name to our good old pipes

             Elias Mazur
             4601 Connecticut Ave NW #306
             Washington, DC  20008
             e-mail: <????????????????>

- Elias

PS: Are you still enjoying that 'grande' pipe you got when we visited the
Connoiseur Pipe Shop in NYC ?

[ Yes, indeed, I am Elias! And welcome back! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????? (Omer Benli)
Subject: On Meerschaum Pipes


Meerschaum, contrary to popular belief, is not fossilized remains of
sea creatures, but a mineral called Hydrous Magnesium Silicate.
Among other places in the world, it is found from 30 to 450 feet
below the surface of the earth near the town of Eskisehir, Turkey.


Meerschaum's magnesium content provides strength while the hydrogen
and oxygen contribute porosity. As one of the nature's lightest and
most porous substances, Meerschaum is a natural filter. This natural
absorbency causes the pipe to slowly change color, eventually
turning a rich brown color. In addition to providing you with a
cool, full-flavor smoke, your Meerschaum pipe will provide you with
the esthetic pleasure of watching its color change as it matures.


After being mined, the stone is kept moist until it is carved by
master craftsmen into a standard shape smooth finish pipe, or with
some geometric design, or some figure. The pipe bowl is then
immersed in a solution of molten bees-wax which when absorbed seals
the Meerschaum, providing with an ivory-like glass and contributing
to the eventual coloring process. The pipe is then fitted with
custom-made amberoid stem and hand polished.


Unlike briar, Meerschaum does not burn. Hence there is no need to
"break-in" a Meerschaum pipe. But it will smoke cooler and mellowed
with time. Although not as fragile as it appears, Meerschaum will
scratch and care should be given not to drop. 


Most of the above is adapted from a small booklet prepared by "SULTAN
Meerschaum Pipes", an excellent shop in Ankara for Meerschaum pipes.
If interested ask for their mail-order catalog:

	SULTAN Meerschaum PIPES
	P. O. Box 177, Kucukesat
	TR-06663 ANKARA

	TEL: +90-312-436-5871
	FAX: +90-312-436-9955

"... AS YOUR Meerschaum pipe turns from cinnamon to amber and
mellows over the years, you will understand why for so many pipe
smokers' favorite is Meerschaum!...'

Omer Benli                                    E-mail: ????????????????????

[ I've entered the catalog into the Resource Guide, Omer! Thanks! -S. ]

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From: Stan Suther <?????????????????????????>
Subject: New Member

Pardon me if I'm not addressing this correctly.  I'm still new to this
internet mailing list business.

I'm very pleased to subscribe to your list.  It's nice to be
associated with a group of folks who appreciate pipe smoking (as well
as cigar smoking).  In this day and time, such people are few and far
between.  I sure don't get much more than grief from most people I'm

I've been a pipe smoker since I was 18.  I'm now 44.  Things have
changed so much over that time in regard to smoking.  Yes, I
understand the health concerns of many.  I don't personally like to
smell cigarette smoke.  But it seems that the intolerance of all types
of smoking has gotten ridiculous.  At my workplace, there are only two
options for smoking during the day.  One is to go outside.  The other
is to do it in a room with inadequate ventilation.  So, now what used
to be something I did in my office during the day to make work not so
bleak now is a no-no.  With that, my opportunities to smoke are very
limited since my family also gives me crap about it at home.  So I'm
left to smoking in the car to and from work, while sitting on my porch
(not so great in winter), and while working on this and that in my
garage.  I do sneak in a bowl once in a while when the family has gone
to bed!

I used to smoke a few good cigars now and then.  I really enjoyed
them.  Now, though with things they way they are, I have no
opportunities to do so.  I miss them.

I've tried some fairly decent pipes and tobaccos over the years.  Now,
since I've moved to a small town, the options are limited.  So I
pretty much rely on a small stable of old favorite pipes accumulated
over the years and keep a stock of Sir Walter Raleigh (after all, I am
a native North Carolinian).  The good part about smoking less now is
that I've found that even a common tobacco such as Sir Walter tastes
good when it's been a while since you've had a bowl.

Once again, glad to be here.  I look forward to future issues.

[ Thanks for the intro, Stan! And I'm sure that you could find some
opportunities to enjoy your cigars in peace, if you look hard enough.
-S. ]

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: In the Mail!

I tried one of the Valverdes almost as soon as they
arrived (which I normally don't do; normally they sit in the
humidor, unwrapped for at least a week).

However, they arrived on our Big Move Day (on which my wife and
I, with the help of 6 other friends, moved all of our junk from
the 10'x30' storage locker into our new home). Although we'd
been living in the house for a couple of weeks prior, we were
and still are, concentrating on cosmetic improvements to the
interior -- painting, stripping cabinets, new kitchen tile, new
vinyl flooring in bathrooms, new fixtures, replacing paneling
with sheetrock, replacing light fixtures, etc.

When the cigars arrived, one of my smoking friends who was
helping us schlepp boxes asked about them. I couldn't not offer
him one, and so I lit up as well. We sat around the edge of
my pickup truck bed puffing away, perfuming the suburban air.
My wife took a puff and proclaimed them acceptable. (The Arturo
Fuente 8-5-8s unfortunately do not pass this test).

I like the Valverdes quite a bit. My tastes range all the way
from mild to very strong, pungent smokes. The Valverdes seem to
fall into the category of mild yet with a lot of flavor. (By
contrast, Macanudos strike me as mild but without as much
flavor). The Valverdes seem very refined with a wonderful aroma.
Easy draw, great flavors, but not overpowering.

I'm currently looking for a strong, oily smoke (in a cigar).
I'm going to try a Te-Amo Palarides (I think that's the name)
in a maduro wrapper and a Hoyo de Monterey in a claro wrapper.
The Honduran and Mexican tobaccos are supposed to be stronger
than the Dominican tobaccos.

BTW, on the subject of pipe tobacco I recently puffed a bowl
of straight Virginia. My! It was reminicent of cigarette
smoke. I understand the Virginia pipe tobacco is press-cured --
pressed into cakes, then sliced and (usually rubbed).

BTBTW,I've heard a lot of things -- mostly neutral to negative --
about tinned tobacco. However, I must say that Dunhill Standard
Mixture Medium turns my crank. (Hm, another Dunhill product;
perhaps they are on my wavelength, or vice versa). Have you
ever tried that blend?


E-Mail:                   ????????????
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[ Wasn't sure whether this was a submission; hope you don't mind! In
any case, re tinned tobacco, I've found MacBaren's to be quite
enjoyable, but so far I'm not crazy about any of the Dunhill blends.
Glad you're enjoying the Valverdes! -S. ]

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From: JOSEPH MAXIMILLIAN MURPHY <???????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994

I'm sure we'll have some responses about the file on pipe smoking from
the last issue; here are my 2 cents.

I tend to agree that a good first pipe should be inexpensive, but not
quite to the level Tom suggests. When you get into composition pipes,
you're also buying something which will eventually burn through on
you. (This is why I _very_ rarely smoke my first pipe anymore.) I'd
also suggest a small-sized bowl for the first time out; it's a little
easier to handle. (If anyone knows how I can keep my "first love" from
splitting, please let me know.)

I disagree completely with the pipe lighter comment. Every time I've
tried to light a pipe with a normal cigarette lighter, I've burned my
thumb. (Of course, this backs up the Zippo comment.) I think it's
Thompson's that makes a lighter that blows its flame at about a 45
degree angle; no more charred thumbs. It's refillable, and only costs
$3 to $5. Mine's held up quite well; I consider it a good investment.
I'll also step up to defend the Tinder Box chain, or at least my local
branch.  I've had very good luck with both pipe sales and tobacco from
them. Of course, my local one is run by one of the "old guys who know
pipes;" the problem with chains is that your milage may vary. Tom's
right on the mark about the drug store garbage, though. You're better
off going without than smoking that.

I expect that new smokers may prefer the sweeter blends to the more
bitter cavendish-types. The most important thing, to me, is to figure
out what you like and _remember the name!_

It also seems to me that biting a zip lock bag kind of defeats the
purpose. If it lets air out, doesn't it let air back in?

Anyway, my 2 cents.
-Joe Murphy              "It's always business. Never personal."
???????????????           	-"New Jack City"

[ Thanks, Joe! I have a "Corona" butane pipe lighter, with a built-in
tamper, and find it works quite well. I use it outside, when it's too
windy to light with matches. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????
Subject: Anecdote on pipe smoking

I had triple by-pass surgery last summer.  I had, at that time, been a
pipe smoker since 1955.  Prior to the surgery, my cardiologist said to
me, "Give up the pipe".  After the surgery, in a conversation with the
heart surgeon, I mentioned what my cardiologist had said.  The surgeon
said," Pipe smoking is definitely NOT a risk factor for you".

So, I am still smoking pipes and enjoying them as much as I use to.

Do you know anyone with a similar story?

Henry Katz

[ We'll find out! I remember Koop himself saying that pipe and cigar
smoking had not been found to be a risk in heart disease. We have a
few MDs on the group; opinions? -S. ]

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From: Victor Reijs <???????????????????????>
Subject: quartz pebble and smoking pipe

Hello all of you,

During my very fine holidyas in Ireland, I read during the good
weather some books. One of them was the book 'White goats &
black bees' from Donald Grant, who imigrated during his
retirement from US to Ireland (he was/is a journalist).
He describes the live in the south-western part of Ireland
(Cork), where is living in a small community. From the local
folks overthere he got the advice for smoking a cool pipe: put
a quartz pebble in the bottom of the pipe. According to his
experince this seems to work.

Does anybody else have the experience? Or could someone try it?

All the best,


[ Heard about that; never tried it. What could it hurt, though? -S. ]

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From: Neil Flatter <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150's Snappy Comeback

>(At a singles bar; the Cut Indirect:) "Doctors say people with
>sensitive noses are sexually repressed. Kiss me."

Actually, I found smoking a cigar helped increase the sensitivity of
my nose.  Many of the differences between brands require detecting
differences in aromas.  Instead of smokey, how about woody, burnt,
nutty, floral, etc.?  I understand the intent of the joke, but I
don't inhale because I like to taste the aroma.
Neil Flatter                 Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
Chemistry - Math (CMA)       Department of Chemistry Stockroom Manager
Novell Supervisor            5500 Wabash Avenue 73
(812) 877 - 8316             Terre Haute, IN 47803-3999
  FAX 877 - 3198             ???????????????????????????

[ Strange, that... if true, it would tend to negate the antis' "you
can't smell it that well so you don't know how bad it smells"
gambit... Any other observations? -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(At a singles bar, for a female jerk:) "I'm sorry. I mistook you for a
woman in her prime."
				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994
  3. Subject: General questions
  4. Subject: Re: #2(2) Pipes Digest #150 -...
  5. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994
  6. Subject: Hi Steve...
  7. Subject: On Meerschaum Pipes
  8. Subject: New Member
  9. Subject: Re: In the Mail!
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994
  11. Subject: Anecdote on pipe smoking
  12. Subject: quartz pebble and smoking pipe
  13. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150's Snappy Comeback
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