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Subject: Pipes Digest #152 -- August 8, 1994

		 Pipes Digest #152 -- August 8, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 468

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As many of our readers noticed, Your Illustrious Moderator pushed the
wrong button and re-sent issue #151 last time. Here, with a profound
scuzeme, is issue #152. Just shows that even the borderline-divine can
occasionally goof... and if they can, so can I. :-)

But now, join us on this goregeous Monday afternoon for a bowl of your
favorite, as we relay Steve Wyman's report on the Boston,
Massachusetts Pipe Show/Swap, and make forays into the library,
geology, Bangaladesh, unholy tobaccos, and Falcons...

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From: ??????????????????????? (Martin Golding)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994

> [ Strange, that... if true, it would tend to negate the antis' "you
> can't smell it that well so you don't know how bad it smells"
> gambit... Any other observations? -S. ]

Old cigar smoke is ghastly, the older the ghastlier. (A three day old butt,
left carelessly lying in the yard, can clear out our entire porch). The
REAL trouble with second hand smoke is that the smoker gets the best part.

My library smells nicely of English pipe tobacco, my cigars get smoked

> I disagree completely with the pipe lighter comment. Every time I've
> tried to light a pipe with a normal cigarette lighter, I've burned my
> thumb. (Of course, this backs up the Zippo comment.) 

My zippo does fine, it just has the bad habit of going slowly dry even
when I'm not using it.

My favorite pipe lighter is a specialized pen-shaped lighter with adjustable
flame size, perfect for pipes. I've given up the cheap butane lighters.

There's no national standard for taste,


Martin Golding    | My opinions, mine, mine mine oh what the heck...
Dod #0236         |  here, you have them too.

[ Kind of agree with you there, Martin... I have an old cigar butt
that's been hanging around my car ashtray for a week, and it never
forgets to let me know it's there... -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Meerschaum=sepiolite

Hi Steve,
     I was reading through your most recent digest and came across a blurb
from someone (don't recall who and am not knocking them anyway) who was
trying to explain what meerschaum is and why it so good as bowl material.
I am within a couple months of receiving a master's in geology and clay
minerals are of some interest to me. Yes, meerschaum is a hydrated magnesium
silicate. No, the magnesium doesn't make it strong and the hydrogen and 
oxygen don't make it cool. It is the crystalline structure; the arrangement
of the magnesium, silicon, oxygen, and hydrogen atoms in a rigid crystalline
structure that makes sepiolite (the clay mineral that is identified by pipe
smokers as meerschaum) so good for smoking. All minerals have some sort of 
crystal structure. Clay minerals are of a class where the constituent atoms
are all arranged in sheets. If you have ever peeled sheets of mica apart, the
crystalline structure really comes home! Sepiolite is of particular interest
because in addition to the normal clay arrangement of sheets of atoms stacked 
up one atop the other, there are holes in each sheet that line up to allow the
formation of channels/tunnels at right angles to the sheets. It is the presence
of these submicroscopic (roughly 10 angstroms or so across) tunnels that allows
draw literally through the bowl material and so keeps a cool pipe. Smoke cigars
myself.              Smoke cheerfully,
                            Mike Leschin

[ Thanks for the geo lesson, Mike! Interesting! -S. ]

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From: Stan Suther <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994

The comments about health effects of pipe smoking are of great
interest to me.  One of the reasons I was interested in joining this
group was to find out if any of you have information about pipes and
health.  Some years ago after taking a stress test for a physical, I
was talking to the doctor, a heart specialist, about the results.  I
mentioned that I was a pipe smoker and asked his thoughts on that.  He
said that given the psychological benefits derived from pipe smoking,
he suggested that I would be no better off if I quit.  I now wish I
had gotten into a more detailed discussion, but I didn't.

I have never seen anything written on this subject but would
appreciate a summary of anything you all may have seen or heard.  I
would like to pass along any good news to my wife, who thinks pipe
smoking is no different from cigarette smoking.

[ Thanks for the anecdote, Stan! There seems to have been some
interest in this topis on alt.smokers.pipes this week, too. -S. ]

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From: Joachim Posegga <??????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994


I realized that I did not get the resource guided quoted in the digest
so far. Would you please mail me a copy of it?

What sort of addresses does it consist of? If you want to include
shops in germany as well, here is one:

	Pfeifen Archiv
	Calwer Passage
	70173 Stuttgart, Germany
	Phone: (++49) (0)711-290701

It is worth seeing: a small shop with sort of a post-modern architecture
inside. Not quite cheap: their pipes start at around 150 US$. Excellent
(but small) choice of pipe tobaccos plus cigars.


PS: Btw, thanks for maintaining the digest -- your are doing a good job!

[ Thanks! Pfeifen Archiv added. Hope you got the Guide OK! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994

Re: after the first pipe:
My first pipe was a Falcon. It looks like something a liberal minded
proffessor might have smoked in the 60's. ( looks like you might be smoking
more than just tobacco in it ). It has a regular bit, but two metal pieces in
place of the shaft of the pipe, and one metal tube in the middle ( crimped to
create a pattern ) for drawing thew smoke thru. It has a wooden bowl that
screws on ( YUP!)  and different bowls can be purchased that all fit the
shaft. ( other shafts can be bought also in straight or bent. The metal
bottom it screws onto has a bowl ( trade named " the humidome " ) to catch
any moisture from the bowl. This is , without question, and despite it's
looks ) the BEST, and COOLEST SMOKING, pipe I own!!!   ( and I'm a guy with a
savinelli, and a Comoys among others. )  I got mine at Tinder Box ( no longer
sell them ).. and I couldn't even give you a clue as to where to find one (
they're made in England)  If you want to know the best pipe to get AFTER you
buy that cheap starter pipe... I ( humbly? ) recommend Falcon. :-)

[ Sounds somewhat like a Kirsten... but not really :-) -S. ]

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From: Tom Line <?????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994

	Hey the Bengal Slices are AWESOME!  Is this the stuff smoked over 
Camel crap?  It reminds me of smoking hash (in a former life of course). 
Has a similiar aroma, and taste.  It burns a long time too.  I think it's 
well worth 5 bucks for a tin of the stuff. 
	b.t.w. All you pipe smokers are cool dudes! I've posted on 
various nets and boards and newsgroups and when you say something 
somebody doesn't agree with 100% they go ballastic.  But you guys are 
totally cool.  You all just light your pipe, thinking deeply and 
intelligently about the issue and then offer constructive criticism, real 
facts, and it's just nice to get mail from people who know how to treat 
others with respect. Nobody here has even come close to ragging about 

	I got some really good feed back and really learned a lot from 
everybody who replied after I posted my text file about smoking pipes.
I thank you all, the information was good to learn, and the conversation 
invigorating and though provoking.  

	Why can't I find a Newsgroup for pipe smoking? There's one for 
cigars and they get PISSED if you mention smoking a pipe is better (and 
cheaper too) that really gets them mad!  I can smoke a pipe constantly 
for two weeks for the cost of a good cigar! And it smells better too that 
the cigar!

[ There is alt.smokers.pipes, which doesn't have as much traffic as
.cigars, but seems to be fairly well distributed now. If you ask your
sysadmin nicely, he might put it on for you... :-) Good luck, and
thanks from all of us! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest


It was too many weeks ago when I persuaded you to send me all of the
back issues of the newsletter in exchange for a report on the pipe
swap/show in Boston.  Thanks for the back issues, which I have now
read through from the earliest days of the newsletter up through this
weeks edition which arrived tonight.  My hat is off to you for all the
great effort you have put into keeping this group together and going.
Now the belated report and some thoughts on some of the recent topics
passing by.

Boston Massachusetts Pipe Show/Swap

Bob Hamlin and Nikos Levin came to the Boston area for a swap meet/
pipe show, chance to meet and see people in late June.  Bob is the
President of the Pipe Collectors Club of America, based in Virginia.
Nikos Levin is the son of Barry Levin, who passed away this spring
after introducing many of us to the world collector/estate pipes.
Barry ran Levin Pipes International from Vermont producing wonderful
catalogues about once a month of used/estate pipes.  Nikos had struck
out on his own last year, and has now taken over the business his dad
left behind.

The show took place at the Marriot in Westboro, about thirty miles
west of Boston on Route 9. From materials I have seen in the Pipe
Smokers Ephemeris, and other places, I think this is the site of one
of the original shows/swap meets.  Bob and Nikos had rented one of the
smaller conference rooms o the second floor (right next to a sign
indicating the floor was a non smoking floor, a fact no one in the
room seemed to notice or care about) where they laid out several
tables of their pipes.  Bob seems to go in for the Italian pipes, as
well as Dunhills and Ashtons.  From looking them over, they were for
the serious collector, whether they were new or used.  Prices of the
new items were thirty or more percent off what a normal retail outlet
would offer them for, while used was fifty percent or so.  They used
pipes had been restored so that one could hardly tell they had
provided enjoyment to their first owner.  Very little in the way of
cake, teeth marks, dents or other flaws.  Most were well beyond what I
was prepared to part with, there were some flawless straight grains in
the $400-600 range.  Beautiful to look at, marvelous to hold, too dear
for this man.  Nikos offerings also ran toward the Italians, but he
had a number of older Charatons, Upshalls and the like.  I swapped him
a carved Upshall I had bought from his catalogue a few weeks earlier
which, when it arrived, did nothing for me in the flesh, for another
carved Upshall he had with him that day.  No questions, no fuss.

I offered Nikos a chance to look at some of my collection (things I
bought and thought I would like, but which never gave the satisfaction
I thought they would) He offered to take them off my hands, leaving me
with one he had no use for, at a fairly low price.  Had he offered to
swap wholesale to wholesale, maybe we could have done some business.
Along the way. I looked at the pipes someone else had brought in but
which Nikos offered him too little for.  This gentleman came over to
me later and suggested that I join he and some friends downstairs.

Sure enough, downstairs there was a competing group of people sitting
around in one of the rooms.  Knowing that Bob and Nikos were coming
they had opened their own mini-show on the first floor selling their
own goods.  I decided to try a Caminetto when the offer was $75 each,
two for $100, and picked out an Oom Paul and a straight pot.  These
were the first Caminettos I had tried and I must admit they smoke
well, much drier than other pipes I have.  I also was able to make the
gentleman from upstairs happy by buying a 1978 Dunhill (Group 6) from
him for $150, way below retail and well above what Nikos offered him.
Why I bought it is beyond me, as I have never had a Dunhill, but since
it was unsmoked, in the original box, and nice I said to myself, go
ahead self.  In any event that is what makes these swaps fun.

Bengal Slices

LenrdZelig asked in the last digest (151) about how to smoke Bengal
Slices.  I have used this brand in the past, liked it, and never found
a way to truly enjoy it until I learned that it has to really be
rubbed out to break up the slices before you can use it.  I used to
rub several slices between my hands thinking I had rubbed it up
enough, but the slices still stayed together too much.  That makes it
hard to keep the pipe lit.  One must really rub it out so that it
looks like loose tobacco, or put it through a food processor (don't
laugh, it works). Once it is rubbed out enough you will find it smokes
well.  If you like, try Escudo as well.


Welcome back from those of us who read the back issues from day one.  

More in later issues.

Steve Wyman

[ Thanks for the trip report, Steve! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994

Dear Steve et al.,

	I hazve submitted to 'the digest' I think maybe once before and 
have been faithfully reading for about four or five months.  As I may or 
may not have mentioned previously, I am a college student who enjoys the 
freedoms and liberties college affords to smoke.  It being the summer, I 
am home from school and have not had the opportunity to enjoy a good 
bowlful in peace for about two months (going on a third ever-lenghtening 
month).  I would like you to know how much I enjoy the voyeuristic 
pleasures of the digest.  While I am unable to smoke it is good to 
know that the rest of the world goes right on puffing.  I am writing know 
to voice my two cents about the "text article on Pipe smoking".
	I noticed in the last digest that the cavendish mistake was 
cleared up.  Being a proud smoker of English tobaccos I hate to see the 
unholy cavendish grouped within English.  As well, I disliked the tone of 
the artivcle.  It is my belief that an article, even that article, is 
meant to enlighten objectively. (although some newspaper critics may 
object to that) The text file was not written objectively at all.  The 
suggestions and opinions expressed are not views that I think the 
majority of pipe smokers hold and some of the "facts", as exposed 
earlier, are erroneous.  
	Thank you for providing a forum for my little soapbox tirade and 
may all who can, enjoy the last of the summer smoking.

				Smoke one for me,

				Gideon K. Pollach
				(Normally of Trinity College)

[ "Unholy"? Cavendish definitely isn't English, but most of our
readers do not view it as the work of the Antibak... I'll view this as
a debate, not a flame, and let it pass. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????
Subject: Pipe Shop in San Jose


It's good to be part of the group.  I'm a relative new comer, only been
smoking a pipe for a year.  I perfer straight pipes over bents.  In the
newest digest, I noticed another pipe shop you might want to add to the

   Mission Pipe Shop
   812 Town & Country Village Drive
   San Jose, California 95128

They have a very good selection of cigars, pipes and tobacco (of which they
blend themselves).  It's a very friendly atmosphere (aren't all shops?).
One thing that some of the female readers might be interested is the shop
is owned by a woman, Donna.  She's very knowledgable and (don't take this
the wrong way) she has a great nose.  I brought in some tobacco a friend
bought for me from Canada.  I wanted to get something similiar, but I had
no idea what was in the blend.  Donna sniffed, then said (something like)
"white burly, black, and vanilla.  I don't have anything like that, but we
can try and blend you up something like it ..."

Anyway, I'm still trying to find that elusive blend, but my friend is going
back to Canada.  I'll ask if she won't bring back some more of that "Judges
Mix" for me.  (I'll also get the street address of the shop in Canada.)


[ Tried Paul's yet for the Judge's? -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July ...

Why don't you ever see menthol pipe tobacco?  Of all the stores I've
ever gone to I never seem to see this offered.  It's not that I want
it (I'd try it sure for the experience) but since menthol is a popular
flavor in cigarettes and some cigars, I figured you could get
mentholated pipe blends. Do they exist?

[ Thought "Holiday" was mentholated... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????? (Marc Dashevsky)
Subject: Re: Hygrometer from Radio Shack

In article <??????????????????????????> you write:
>?????????????????? (Marc Dashevsky) writes:
>>I just bought one in Cambridge, Massachusetts.  The spec sheet says
>>it is only accurate +/- 5 pts. WRT relative humidity.  :-(
>5% accuracy is also typical for analog hygrometers. Unless you want to
>spend hundreds of $$$ on meterological instruments. (Which wouldn't
>fit in the humidor anyway. :-)


According to my newly-purchased Radio Shack hygrometer, the Creo humidifier
is keeping my 4" x 4" x 10" Rubbermaid _humidor_ at 79 RH.  Of course, the
outside RH is probably about 80.  Am I damaging my cigars?


P.S.  Thanks for running the Pipes mailing list.

[ As I replied by mail, I'd be very surprised if cigars couldn't
tolerate 10% over the purported optimum humidity. Other opinions? And
you're welcome! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????? (Jeff C. Nichols)
Subject: Intro

Hi Steve.  I assume that messages are first sent to you, then to the 
pipe digest.  If not, I probably missed where exactly to send messages.

I just recently started smoking a pipe, and I still occasionaly smoke a 
cigar or two.  What's surprising to me is that I never even smoked a 
cigarette when I was growing up (I'm 28 now)--not even sneaking one with 
some friends because it was "cool".  I got started with some fellow friends 
here at Rice when one of them had their second baby.  Since we always seem 
to hear about 'handing out cigars', we decided we should get some and smoke 
them with the new dad.  We all got some Swischer Sweets (sp?) and lit up on 
afternoon.  Well, I'm sorry if I offend someone, but they were BAD!  Some 
people might like the taste, but to me it was nauseous.  So, we decided to 
get some "better" cigars.  I don't recall the brand, but at that point, our 
idea of "better" was something like $0.75 cigars ;-)  Well, compared to the 
Swischer's they were better--relatively speaking.

We finally decided to actual go to a tobacco shop and get a "real" cigar.
(For an addition to the tabacco shop list, this is where I go to get cigars 
and pipe tobacco--The Brair Shoppe in the Village near Rice University--I 
can get the number and address if anyone wants it, otherwise anyone in Houston
can get in touch with me and I can direct them to where it is).  

We started out with a Fonseca maduro.  It was very pleasant and not very 
harsh (compared, say, to an Onyx).  So we were hooked.  Well, my wife didn't 
exactly like the smell of the cigars (although I'll give her credit that she 
didn't really mind that I smoked them--albeit not in the house ;-) so she 
suggested I smoke a pipe.  Well, I decided why not, and bought a pipe with 
helpful suggestions from the people at the Brair Shoppe.  It was hard getting 
started as I constantly had to relight it, but now I can pack it pretty well
and keep it lit (as long as I continue to puff on it).  

Well, that's my introduction.  Hope I didn't bore anyone too bad.  For anyone 
who is in Houston or the Houston area, the Briar Shoppe is organizing a 
cigar dinner for sometime in October or September.  Sounds pretty good as I 
think they are getting the Rainbow Lodge, a pretty nice place.

*  Jeff Nichols                 |   I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. *   * 
*  It's a dog-eat-dog world out there, and I'm wearing milkbone    *  * *
*  underwear--  Norm Peterson					   * *   *
*  Don't jump without the video.				   *  * *
*  I used to be tolerant; now I'm actively tolerant.--Tom Hanks    * *   *

[ Hope you get some takers for the cigar dinner, Jeff! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July ...

I don't know whether you would consider this a "proper" subject for inclusion
in the digest, but a hard-copy, snail-mail newsletter devoted to the smoking
fetish (for people who are aroused by watching others smoke) is now
available---and since I know there ARE readers of the pipes digest who may be
interested, I thought I'd at least pass this along to you.  Full details are
available by email from ??????????????????



[ Long as it ain't flamage, it's of interest! -S. ]

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(At the track:) "If I can't smoke near lowlife like you, where can I
				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #152 -- August 8, 1994
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
  3. Subject: Meerschaum=sepiolite
  4. Subject: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
  5. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
  7. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July 29, 1994
  8. Subject: Pipes Digest
  9. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #150 -- July 22, 1994
  10. Subject: Pipe Shop in San Jose
  11. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July ...
  12. Subject: Re: Hygrometer from Radio Shack
  13. Subject: Intro
  14. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #151 - July ...
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