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Subject: Pipes Digest #153 -- August 15, 1994

		 Pipes Digest #153 -- August 15, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 470

Welcome to new members:

	 Helmie Ashiblie		(????????????????)
	 Jeof Bean			(????????????????????????????????)
	 Gerry Hilton			(??????????????????????)
	 Staffan Ulfberg		(????????????????????)

Interesting news: The Sunday, August 14 _Trenton Times_ reported that
OSHA has received over 50,000 letters in opposition to Docket #H-122!
(See Digest #146.) Recall that this docket would unconditionally
prohibit smoking in all "workplaces," including bars and restaurants,
under all conditions. I believe that such a response is unprecedented
for an OSHA docket. Thanks to you who wrote, our legislators now know
that attempts at "backdoor prohibition" will have a political
cost. Keep up the good fight!

More news from the Trenton Times in the first submission. So join us
now for a few contemplative puffs, as we discuss shopkeeping,
cryptography, Denmark, and breaking the bank at Atlantic City...

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: Steve Masticola (????????????????????????)
Subject: A fine cigar can be _very_ worthwhile!

Hi, all,

I clipped the following from the Sunday Trenton Times (August 14,
1994). Enjoy! -S.



ATLANTIC CITY (AP) - A New York surgeon's penchant for cigars paid off
in a big way yesterday.

Shunned from a nonsmoking blackjack table in Bally's Grand Casino
Hotel, Dr. Frank Oliveto moved to a progressive $1 slot machine that
ended up paying out an $8.5 million jackpot, officials said.

Yesterday's Megabucks payout is the largest ever in Atlantic City,
said Pam Sinderbrand, a spokeswoman for International Game Technology,
which manufactures the 186 Megabucks slot machines in the city's 12

The jackpot had been accumulating since the previous $3.9 million
record prize was paid out in November 1992, Sinderbrand said.

"Smoking is bad for your health, but it's good for my pocketbook,"
said Oliveto, of Port Jefferson, N.Y.

Oliveto, 54, received the first of 20 annual checks for $427,275
yesterday, said Sinderbrand.

The orthopedic surgeon went to the Megabucks machine with $100 of
dollar coins. He had played about $80 and won back roughly $35 before
hitting the $8.5 million, said Sinderbrand.

Twelve people have won at Megabucks  since the progressive slots
debuted in the resort's casinos in 1990. Every time someone drops a
dollar in any of the machines, which are linked with the machines in
each of the city's gaming halls, the jackpot increases by a percentage
of that bet.

"To hit the primary jackpot, you have to play three coins, the maximum
bet," she said. The $3 wager landed Oliveto the big bucks when four
Megabucks symbols appeared on the third payline.

Oliveto is a physician at Mather Memorial Hospital and St. Charles
Hospital in Port Jefferson. He says he even joked with his operating
room staff earlier this week that he would win the big jackpot this

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From: Michael Coan <????????????????????????????????>
Subject: First Pipe

	I thought some people might get a laugh out of my experiences
with my first pipe. I'd appreciate advice on doing things better,
given my limited options. (I'm a grad student at age 39.) This summer
has given me time to ponder just why my grandfather and dad always had
a pipe handy.

	I live in a quiet town in a rural state (Maine), and the pipe
smoking options are severely limited. The local pharmacy had only two
pipes in stock, so I wound up with a Dr. Grabow _Savoy_ model. The
thing takes filters, so I purchased a pack of charcoal ones too.
Tobacco was also limited, but I bought two samples: Borkum Riff
(Cherry) and Sir Walter Raleigh. Total cost: $18.45.

	The first thing I did was sand off the black mystery exterior,
and uncovered a pleasantly grained briar. The grain has some
interesting burls, and no putty filling. This bare surface was
promptly oiled with vegetable oil, given 3 coats, until the wood no
longer sucked it up.

	I've been smoking it for a week now, occasionally rubbing the
warm bowl with the side of my nose to oil it after a smoke. I've
been using book matches to light it, and have had great success
keeping it lit. (Don't like the sulphurous cloud from wooden matches.)
My smoking tools are a 20 penny nail and a pocket knife.

	This is about as entry level as it gets! Still, I'm pleased to
have personalised the pipe somewhat, and enjoy seeing the briar
darkening with handling. The filters don't seem to be too much of a
frivolity, either. In fact, they trap the drool very well at the stem
end, and catch all sorts of little nasties before they get into my
mouth. I seem to prefer the Raleigh, now.

	1) Does anyone have evidence or stories concerning pipes and
	   stress? (My cluster migraine headaches have gone away!)
	2) Is there anyone out there with advice on home flavoring?
	   I'd like to try a few things: maple syrup (the real stuff),
	   vanilla, and maybe almond. There has to be a way to flavor
	   some myself.

	Thanks for reading, hope you found it interesting to hear from
the lower end of the spectrum. Peaceful smoking to all.
				Mike Coan (one damn cheap Yankee)

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From: Lynsa <?????????????????????>
Subject: For the Pipes Digest

Hello all--

My fiance and I made the charming discovery that our next-door neighbor
is a cigar smoker; in fact, he's made us presents of a very nice
Dunhill and a couple of Onyxes. We spent a really lovely summer night last
week on his porch, John my fiance and Brian my neighbor smoking the
Onyxes, and I puffing on one of my favorites, a sweet little cigar
called a Frisco from Thompson's of Tampa. What a night. The cool thing
is, Brian's a food services manager at a large hotel here in town; he
organized a cigar night a couple weeks ago and it was such a success
they're going to throw another one.

Request #1: 'd like to surprise my sweetie with a box of really nice
cigars on our wedding day.  I'm not rich. His everyday cigar is a 
Casanova, maduro wrapped, also from Thompsons. Recommendations?

Request #2: I'm still looking for pipe tobacco with a sweet but not sickly
aroma, smooth to the tastebuds and the nose. The closest I've come is
one called Golden Honey from a no-name tobacconist/head shop down the
road. I really don't want to buy there, and they won't tell me who makes

Request #3: John, our friends and I are opening a cafe that will allow
smoking, especially pipe smoking. It'll be the only one in Southeast
Portland that allows smoking of any kind. We'll also be selling tobacco,
starting out with quality cigarettes, tinned tobacco and some cigars,
and eventually want to sell mostly loose and tinned tobacco for pipes
and cigars, with few cigarettes. Actually this is a two-part request. We
also want to have internet access, and are very concerned about smoke
damage to the equipment. So, #3a, what do you smoking computer people
recommend to keep the equipment safe? #3b is, what brands of tobacco
would you suggest we carry in tins to begin with? Whoops #3c, do you
know of wholesalers for loose pipe tobacco?


[ Excellent, Lynsa! Great idea! I wish you the best of luck in your
haven for smokers of taste.

Regarding #3a, the major vulnerable points are the removable media and
the keyboard; just cover them when not in use and try not to spill
ashes. The only damage I ever did to my Macintosh by smoking occurred
when an unlit Ben Wade dropped out of my rack onto the keyboard, stem
down. :-) Broke the stem, too. :-(

Regarding #3b, I'd say definitely go for snob appeal. As Cigar
Aficionado has made clear, it's what sells. Dunhill, Rattray's,
Erinmore, Balkan Sobranie, McClelland's, and McConnell spring to
mind. Also get some American Spirit; technically it's cigarette
tobacco, but the idea will appeal. Smudge grass, too. (Anyone know
where to get Native American willow-bark tobacco?) Flake tobacco might
be good, in the sense that there's a minor skill to show off to
customers in rubbing it out.

I'd also recommend stocking a few pipes for customers who don't have
their own. Clays might be good on the low end (Lepeltier makes a nice
double-walled clay pipe that retails for $15, and is well worth
it). You can go upscale from there, but don't put _too_ much $$$ into
inventory to start. You might even consider running a deal like Keen's
English Chop House, where the customers have their own numbered
long-stemmed clay pipes at the cafe, and you'd hang them as

And, at the risk of pulling a Polonius, two other things. First, don't
be afraid to spend a few bucks to advertise in the restaurant section
of the local city magazine, whatever that is. Snob appeal sells.
Second, it might be wise to incorporate as a "private club" and hand
out free memberships, to thwart potential anti legislation.

Regarding #3c, you might try the following magazine for sources of
loose tobacco (from Digest #150):

	Smokeshop Magazine
	B M T Publications, Inc.
	7 Penn Plaza
	New York, NY 10001-3900
	FAX: 212-714-0514

Or contact:

	Retail Tobacco Dealers' Association
	The Atrium
	55 Maple Avenue
	Rockville Centre, NY 11570
	(516) 766-4100

The address is from the Encyclopedia of Associations [a _very_ handy
reference!], but I only have the 1989 edition here, and the address
may have changed. If you don't get them at that number, try your local
library for a newer edition. Or maybe someone can confirm the address
or provide a new one?

In any case, please keep us informed, and I'll stop in the next time
I'm in Portland. Do you have a name for the place yet? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: MAIL

Steve, many thanks for the D/L. When you say "mail" I assume you mean
via internet not USSnail. Yes, I'd like the past issues assuming 
it is somewhat shorter than the Internet mail list :)

As to my bio: 63 years old, started on cigarettes at age 14, 
quit cold-turkey in 1969 at age 38, ended up in the hospital
with ulcerative colitis in 1970, placed on Prednisone, gained
from 190 normal weight to 260, got into amateur rodeo for
exercise, picked up tobac chew habit wife said love life
would end thereby, started chewing cigars, then lit them,
this about 1972, was able to get off drug - didn't relate
it to tobac use at the time - started running 2 12min miles
2x a week, lost desire to smoke, started to bleed again,
by this time wife talked me into a pipe - loved it - got
back to both pipe & cigar, bleeding quit. Curious, started
experimenting and inquiring with friendly doc. Found info
in NE Journal of Medicine, original study in Sweden:

"20% of longterm smokers who quit develop 
ulcerative colitis, rheumatoid arthritis,"

and named some other"psychosomatic" illnesses.
Amazing. I do not inhale either pipe or cigar, so
sufficient nicotine enters via saliva. Great. Because
I really enjoy both: smoke 3 to 4 cigars a day and
several pipes. My major smokes are bundle cigars from
local or J.R., spending from $13 for Macatans, a heavy
full bodied Mexican Rothchild size, or some of J.R.'s
seconds, or Whitehalls - not too bad a cigar - and
also keep on hand Punch Rothchilds, Cuba Aliados,
Don Diego Grande, H.Uppman Corsarios and Columbos,
Macanudo Hyde Park, Montecruz 201. My favorites are
Aliados & the H.Uppmans.

Pipe tobac is mainly 5100, also their light English,
Never recall the number, 2020 or 2025 - anyhow, I get
that locally at retail. I own 10 pre 1987 Dunhills,
Several Preben Holmes, a few Charatans, a Costello,
a Caminetto a Ferndown, a pretransition Barling, 
several Petersons post Free-State, a Stanwell, 
and quite a few seconds of major brands marked 
as shop pipes with the retailer's name.

My favorites are a matched pair of 1987 Dunhills,
marked with the silver band for the Dunhill 
Centennial, 2 Dunhill Bent Cumberlands. 
But the best smoke I have is an ancient 
Thornycroft I bought used in 1972 for $7.00. 
It is always outstanding. 

I'm NOT a serious collector, I just enjoy a good
pipe. Having spent 5 years in the USMC 1948/53,
I couldn't resist a Meerschaum by Bechler, a JAO
distributed pipe, with a carving of the USMC
emblem on the forward face. That one I have
never smoked. I have one other Meerschaum from
JAO I do smoke on occasion - don't think much
of it. I do trade pipes at times. Fortunately,
we have two very good retailers who deal in
good used pipes: The Arcade Smoke Shop in
downtown Nashville, TN; and the Three-Ten
Pipe Shop in Murfreesboro, TN. The latter
deals ONLY in Dunhills as used pipes, also
carries a full line of other brands, and
new Dunhills - they ain't the same as the
oldies, believe me, just the same high price.

My wife is an ex-cigarette smoker - thank God -
and very tolerant of my habit. I bought a huge
room air filter that takes care of the cigar
smoke in the front room, though I do most
of my cigars while upstairs in my office while
on the computer.

My hobbies are fly fishing and computer cryptography
programs - just got PGP and am fascinated with the
possibilities. I have been a free-lance court reporter
since 1962; previously a District Sales Manager for
Hunt Foods, and before that a Los Angeles cop, and
before that a BARman in the USMC, Korea, etc.
Born in San Francisco, married an Arkansas gal,
settled in the South and think Nashville is great
even though I do not like Country Music.

Best Regards,


[ Welcome, Ray! And keep that PGP handy -- if ciphers are outlawed,
only outlaws will have privacy. :-) -S. ]

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From: Helmie Ashiblie <????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

Thanks for approving my request. I've been a cigar smoker for years now 
and have yet to try smoking pipes. I was at a little gathering over the 
weekend when I met this really interesting chap from Wales who was an 
ardent pipeist. He spent a good deal of time enlightening me on the world 
of pipe smoking. By the end of the evening, boy, I was hooked on the idea 
of pipe smoking. Such a shame that no tobacconist was open at that time 
of the night 'cos I was all psyched-up and ready to get my first pipe. 
Anyway, it was a good thing I did rush right into buying one. Spent the 
next few days reading back issues of Cigar Aficionados trying to get a 
better idea about being a pipeist. I finally decided that I'm going to 
buy a second-hand pipe instead of a new one, especially a good one 'cos I 
know that good new briar pipes run into the hundreds or even thousands of 

So, I'm going to spend the next few days checking out the city's 
tobacconists for good second-hand briar pipes. If anyone's got a good 
idea where I should be looking in New York City, I'm all ears.

Good to be on-board. Thanks.

[ Glad to have you! Definitely check out Connoisseur. -S. ]

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From: Jeff Pitblado <?????????????????????>
Subject: Proper cigar humidification


I've always thought that the proper humidity was somewhere around 70%, but 
the shop I buy from normally has it up around 75-80%.  It doesn't seem to do 
any damage to the cigars.  In fact I think they actually smoke better.

Just my $.02


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From: ?????????????????????? (Gerry Hilton)
Subject: Moderated Mailgroup for Pipes, Cigars ,Etc,

Hi Steve.
Im new to the "net". I've been smoking a pipe since I was 14 and I'm now 58 
with seemingly no ill effects. I'm also from Canada and our tobacco prices 
are sky high ($12.50 for 50grms) so I grow my own. Can anyone out there tell 
me anything about curing tobacco? I'm not having very good luck with it .
If somone wants to send me some info my address is ??????????????????????
Thankx     Gerry Hilton

[ Later... -S. ]

Subject: reply and general

Hello Steve;
        Received your mail reply today for my query. Thank you.I'm rather 
astounded at the amount of interest in pipe smoking out there. I was 
starting to feel paranoid that I was the only one left. :-)
        Here's a brief history of myself... I'm 58 yrs. old, married to a 
really great lady who is also my best friend and I'm supposed to be retired 
but I can't quite get the hang of it. I've been smoking a pipe since I was 
14 and never did smoke cigarettes or cigars etc. I'm a creature of habit I 
        My wife and I live in Nova Scotia (Canada eh ) and I own and operate 
a small sawmill as well as a few other little projects (lumber kiln). 
Basicly thats about it -- typical boring Canadian.
        In the last few years, there has been such an anti-smoking campain 
here that the price of tobacco has gone out of sight and made a very 
lucrative smuggling trade for some of the more adventursome. Some of us like 
myself said to hell with the goverment an we grow our own from seed when we 
can get them. I say when we can get them because Canada Post has a habit of 
opening mail if they think there's anything fuzzy about it. Their quite 
determined to keep us healthy.
        Anyhow, for the last two years I've managed to grow my own fairly 
successfully but I have problems curing it and storing it. We can't get any 
information on this type of thing here so if any of your readers can advise 
me a little on it I'd really appreciate it.
        I won't take up anymore of your time so thankx once again for the 
reply. My best to you,

[ Got a whole series of articles on it from Bill Thacker, Gerry! Will
send. Other comment appreciated. BTW, Bill's mail has been bouncing
from att; does anyone know what's up? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Robert Birt)
Subject: Journal Guidelines

      I am really enjoying being part of the group. I have heard from
someone in Ottawa and also have told a couple of my friends that you are
on the net, which I think will stimulate them to get hooked up to a line

I have a question regarding whether it is appropriate to offer
pipes for trade or sale. I have a small collection of about 90 pipes. It
probably looks like a collection of four or five hundred that had been
cherry picked leaving pipes like: pat. dunhill bowling ball dr's, charatan
supremes, blue ribbands, gbd pedigree..etc. What I tried to do was put
togeter a sample of the bestof the english pipes that my grandfather or
father would have liked and represented a time where quality had a
different meaning.  

For everyday, I smoke JT Cooke or Bob Peretti's ( some
which were actually made by his grandfater ) along with a group of
briarcrafts that Ves made very early in his career, which he collected for
me from some of his old customers. So I have another 36 or so neat briars
which are the faithful survants to cope with my more intense overworked
moods and the other group for those more relaxing and contemplative times. 

It is very hard to swap pipes here in Ottawa where there is no real shop.. 
and the border can be trickey but I have established a bit of a network
through the US.  So, after the long preamble...is it appropriate to make
offers to people in the group if it is not a commercial business?  

Also, I havesome interesting dating/numbering questions with some
pat.dunhills .. are there collectors in the group?  I really enjoy the sense
of being connected to the briar. Thanks for being a volunteer facilitator. 

Bob Birt 

PS My new mail reader deleated a file from someone in Ottawa who was
nice enough to contact me. If they are reading this or if you could post
the notice, I would be grateful*****

[ I'd be glad to publish private pipe sale/swap/wants information
here, Bob! Hope the other party in Ottawa contacts you. -S. ]

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From: "David Malecki" <?????????????????????????????????>
Subject: I'm back!

Subject:I'm back!
Hi Steve.

I'm back from my European vacation and have a new email address.

I think I left off somewhere around digest #130 and would appreciate the
back issues if you get a chance.

Denmark is a pipe smoker's dream.  Along the pedestrian mall, there are
many pipe shops and tobacconists to browse through, and pipe smoking seems
to be much more prevelant than here (Canada or USA).  I didn't feel wierd
at all being the youngest person in the shop because I was surrounded with
people my age (24).  I picked up a Stanwell pipe and a can of W.O. Larson's
tobacco for a souvenir.

To anyone visiting northern Europe, I suggest a detour to Copenhagen to
pick  up a pipe or two and some nice Danish tobacco.  The pipe museum at W.
O. Larson's pipe shop is an interesting stop too.

Talk to you later.

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From: ?????????????? (Jeff Skaletsky)
Subject: Cigar Monthly

[ Reposted from alt.smokers.cigars. -S. ]

I just made a Sunday afternoon trip to Edwards Pipe and Tobacco Shop in
Reseda; he's just getting set up, has only been at this location (Tampa
and Saticoy) six weeks; the earthquake destroyed the old location (just
one block south of the Northridge mall, which everyone saw in the news
reports, I'm sure); Roy Canada said that it's been very hard to get
product lately, but the upcoming RTDA show in Chicago should help.  Not
too full a humidor, but not terrible, and decent prices from what I saw.

While there, picked up Aug '94 copy of The Cigar Monthly (TCM) I've been
looking but CA is nowhere to be found, local newsstands say it'll be out 
next week. not a bad newsletter; I say newsletter because it's a fairly 
simple non-glossy beige paper, some illustrations, ads, etc.

TCM had a good interview with Richard DiMeola, COO of Consolidated
Cigar (Dunhill, H. Upmann, Don Diego, Primo del Rey, Montecruz, Royal
Jamaica (now made in the Dominican Republic), Cabanas, Henry Clay, Don
Miguel, Santa Damiana, Montecristo; then of course the mass market ones,
Antonio & Cleopatra, El Producto, Dutch Masters, Murial, Dutch Treats, 

Some interesting statistics: in the mass market cigar lines that
Consolidated carries, in 1993 they shipped 2 billion cigars.  Their
banner year was 1964, when 9 billion cigars were bought; people were
trying to change to cigars from cigarettes since the Surgeon General had
reported on the link between cigarettes and cancer.  In the deluxe
lines, they shipped 24 million cigars, 20 million to the U.S.; they were
also backordered 3.1 million; he said they could probably sell 40
million, but that the quality would drop too much.  The premium cigars
come out of La Romana, Dominican Republic, where they employ 1,200
people; they also have 300 in Danli, Honduras.

This issue included a calendar of cigar smoking events; I'll list them
in a separate posting.

Oh, and TCM mentioned that there are only twelve shops in the U.S. carrying
the new Consoldated Montecristo brand; supposed to be very good, if you
can find them.  Anyone?

TCM 's address:

SCCM Publications, 
1223 Wilshire Blvd., #241,
Santa Monica, CA 90403.

$12/year U.S., $18/year outside.

Jeff Skaletsky N6TJO                                Quake Public Access
(818)362-6092 367-2142                              Sylmar, CA  91342											

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(At a class reunion:) "Does the smoke bother your nose job?"

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #153 -- August 15, 1994
  2. Subject: A fine cigar can be _very_ worthwhile!
  3. Subject: First Pipe
  4. Subject: For the Pipes Digest
  5. Subject: MAIL
  6. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  7. Subject: Proper cigar humidification
  8. Subject: Moderated Mailgroup for Pipes, Cigars ,Etc,
  9. Subject: reply and general
  10. Subject: Journal Guidelines
  11. Subject: I'm back!
  12. Subject:I'm back!
  13. Subject: Cigar Monthly
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