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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994

		Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 505

Welcome to new members:

	 Christopher R. Lee		(?????????????????????)
	 Raymond Muzyka			(???????????????????????????)
	 Hortone			(???????????????)
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	 Ernst A. Meese			(???????????????????????????)
	 Bryan Loofbourrow		(?????????????????????)
	 Arjen Compajnen		(??????????????????????????????????)
	 David Howard			(?????????????????)
	 ???				(???????????????????????)
	 Patrick North			(??????????????)
	 ???				(??????????????)
	 ???				(??????????????)
	 Valts E. Jegermanis		(????????????)
	 Steve Martin			(?????????????????????????)
	 Michael			(?????????????????????????)
	 Gary J. Shultz			(???????????????????)
	 Avalanche			(???????????????????????????????)
	 StogieB			(???????????????)
	 R.D. Eno			(???????????)
	 Robert Inch Jr.		(???????????????????)

As you can see, we broke the half-century mark with this issue!

And we have a lot of traffic this week about Mosaic. MTW, my intention
was just to put the back issues on Mosaic, not to eliminate the
mailings. I've positioned the mostly-Mosaic-related submissions toward
the end of the Digest, because a lot of them recapitulate the same
material. I think the response is generally favorable to putting the
back issues of the Digest on Mosaic, but will let the discussion
continue for a while before making a move to do so.

And also for your smoking enjoyment, join us now as we ruminate on
growing your own, the CORPS, the Civil War, blacksmithing, and

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ????????????
Subject: Pipes

A big HELLO from a pipe smoker, collector, and CORPS (Conclave of Richmond
Pipesmokers) member.

The CORPS is having a EXPO.... A Celebration of pipes and pipe smoking.

PLACE:  Richmond  VA
DATE: 7-9 October 1994

For more information write to:

CORPS   PO Box 34023    Richmond VA 23234

OR....call the HOTLINE   (804) 342 0761

my name:  Valts E. Jegermanis


[ Great hearing from CORPS again, Valts! I enjoyed seeing y'all at the
New York and Alexandria, VA shows. BTW, how did the buttons work out? -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????? (Neil Johnson)
Subject: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

So my tobacco crop is done. I grew White Burley & Shirazi. Just
finish curing some shirazi. Yum, all natural aromatic.

At first i couldn't figure out how to grind/shred it for smoking.
Food processors suck! I tried, I know.

So here's how i processed my tobacco. I pulled the center vein out.
Stacked the deveined leaves, rolled them into a tight "blunt" like
cylinder. Then I shaved off thin disks with a razor blade. Volia fine
confetti like tobacco(each disk unrolled into many long thin strands).
Of course I saved the best whole leaves for rolling some nice blunts.

I'd like to here more info ideas on growing, curing, rolling, etc...
home grown tobacco.

Yes, tobacco seeds are still 100% legal. Buy them while you can. I 
got the Burley from "Gurneys" & the Shrazi from "Seeds of Change".
Don't have the addresses off hand. Check in any gardening magazine
they should have adds for these companies.

There is another company with a net catolog with many varieties.
Haven't tried to order yet though. Here it is.

from Horus Botanicals Catalog.....

Nicotiana sp.  (Tobacco)  If one wants to smoke real tobacco, then one 
must grow their own.  Commercial leaves are over-cured and filled 
with cuts.  Pure tobacco smoke has an aromatic smell.  Plants figured 
prominently in the religions of many North and South American 
Indians - it was considered a gift of the Gods - being used for 
divination and ceremonial purposes.  Quite a contrast to modern mans 
habitual fixation.  Interestingly, this is one crop grown on very small 
farms as plants must be started and transplanted laboriously by hand. 
Most are family-owned, one can drive through the Carolinas or 
Kentucky hills and see many shacks surrounded by their small 1-2 
acre holdings.  Its the processing and marketing that is industrialized. 
Species available: 
	->alata - grown commonly as an ornamental, with tubular 
star-shaped flowers, white to red, fuchsia, 2' tall.  The alkaloid 
content is less than  other species.  Fragrant at twilight.  Seed pkt. - 
	->antennaria (Coyote tobacco)  Native to S. California, once used 
by Indians there. Small white flowers in panicles.  Rare in modern 
times due to human infestations.  To 6'. Seed pkt. - 2.00 
	->glauca - fairly rare, native to mountains of S.W. and Mexico. 
Excellent specimens are seen in Big Bend.  Favorite of Hopis. Grows 
tree-like to 15' with leaves bluish-green.  Does not contain nicotine, 
but the related alkaloid, anabasine. Seed pkt. - 2.00 
	->langsdorffii - Native to brazil and Chile.  Odd green tubular 
flowers. Grows in hills and mountains, to 3' tall.  Good smoke.  Seed 
pkt. - 2.00 
	->rustica (Indian Tobacco) To 3' with yellow flowers.  Most 
potent species, containing harmine/harmaline.  Much used by many 
tribes, including the Aztecs, and was the choice of shamans.  Often 
mixed with Tagetes. Strains available: Wild type, Panche Mexicana, 
Tarahumara El Cuervo, Santo Domingo, Guarijo Makuchi - please 
specify.  Seed pkt. - 2.00 
	->sylvestris - perennial species that blooms year-round in warm 
climates.  Long slender cream flowers that are very fragrant at night 
to attract their pollinators - sphynx moths.  To 4'.  Seed pkt. - 2.00 
	->tobaccum - main commercial species, cultivated on all 
continents now.  Large plants to 6' with leaves a foot long, pretty pink 
to red flowers.  Best cured slowly in the shade for several weeks. 
The following strains are available, please specify:  Cuban Monte 
Calme Brun, Cuban Monte Calme Yellow, Muscatelle, Shirazi Iranian, 
Virginian, Pipeleaf Dark, Turkish, Blanco, Burley, Perique.  All seed 
pkts. - 2.00 
                            Ordering Information: 
	Please pay by check or money order.  Cash can be safely sent in a 
brown manila envelope via certified or registered mail.  Since this 
costs about $3 extra, if your order is over $25 and you send cash, 
deduct $3 from your order.  Personal checks may take 3-4 weeks to 
	Use a blank sheet of paper as an order form, and please be sure 
your address is legible... 
The following postage should be added for shipping: 
For orders totalling			        Include: 
 Only seeds                                       1.00 
00.00-09.99					  2.50  
10.00-19.99                                       3.50  
20.00-34.99					  4.25  
35.00-54.99                                       5.25  
55.00-79.99			         	  6.50 
Over  80.00					  7.25 
Plants are available in limited quantities in June - Sept.  We cant ship 
during cold weather as many would freeze. 
Overseas shipment is 2 X the amount above.  Plants cannot be shipped 
to other countries due to import restrictions. 
	If we are sold out of any items and you desire substitutes, 
please give an alternative list.  We try to maintain stocks, but 
sometimes run out of an item and it may take a little time to obtain 
or grow new materials. 
		Horus Botanicals-Net
		HCR 82 Box 29 
		Salem, Ark 72576 
		Our method is Science 
			Our Aim is Religion... 
[ Great references! If someone can provide addresses for Seeds of
Change and Gurney's, I'll put them in the Resource Guide. Thanks,
Neil! -S. ] 

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From: ???????????????????????????
Subject: Is this thing 

HI, Steve.

I'm not sure that my message has gotten to you so here is another try.  The 
first issue of the mailgroup that I received is great!  I have already printed 
it and passed it on to my non-E-mail friends.  For us the Mail order section 
is very important because the only tobacconist in Vancouver does not have 
either the style or the selection that many of us prefer.  His weekday manager 
doesn't even smoke a pipe but he sells them.  Explain that.

Please, therefore, send me the complete archive of this mail group.  It will 
have a good set of homes.  (If you already did this, sorry.  I lost two 
messages, that cannot be retrieved, before I could read them.)

Here is my Bio incase it did not arrive.

My name is Ehud but my friends call me Oody.  I have been smoking a pipe for a 
few years now.  When I was in college I still lived at home with mom.  Since I 
could not save for university and live away from home,I had to follow the 
rules.  When she pulled the "not in my house" I had to quit the briar.  In all 
fairness she had gotten cancer from cigarettes.  She was just concerned.

A few years later I was sharing a cabin with some friends and my wife, 
Rebecca, when I borrowed a pipe from one of the guys.  This reminded me of 
what I was missing and it has been love ever since.

I smoke heavy English tobaccos, the kind that will clear a room.  I like the 
taste.  Aromatics are out because I smoke wet.  I used to be the saturday 
tobacconist at the Vancouver Pipe Den but it closed 3 years ago due to tax 
pressure and declining trade (SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POBACCONIST OR THIS WILL 
HAPPEN TO YOU).  The Pipe Den was a club in a way.  There was coffee, a 
tasting bar, chess and other games, and good friends who would spend the day 
talking and smoking.  It was a real loss to many of us.

Finally as to pipes.  Because of my work at the shop I was able to make a good 
collection.  I have mostly firsts with some lesser pipes for fishing and 
hiking.  They are all loved and well used.  My collection ranges from Nordings 
(1) to Dunhills, Radice (the most perfect pipe in the world) and many others.

I think this is enough information at the moment.

More will come out in the future.

Steve, If this is all a repeat, sorry, again.


Ehud Yaniv

PS:  Steve, they now prefer that the address be


I do not know if this works but the old address should still be O.K.

??????????????????????????? (Ehud Yaniv)

[ OK so far, Oody! Thanks for the intro! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????????? (STEPHENSON)
Subject: introduction(pipe digest)

  Hello, I am Dave Stephenson and I smoke pipes. I also really 
enjoy cigars. I started smoking pipes a couple years ago when
a buddy turned me on to it. I started out with one of those
drugstore pipes and quickly burned holes in the side of it.
I thought that I just smoked to hard, but I took a chance and 
bought a Peterson's Irish Seconds at my local briar shop.
Irish Seconds are still my favorite pipes, nothing I have
seen has beaten their value. I can smoke them a lot and they 
never get pits on the inside or anything. I also love their large
size.  A friend and I also have scoured thrift stores and the  like
to fine used pipes.  I found a Medico Crest, a pipe with a leather(?)
covering around the bowl. It was old but the bowl was in good shape.
I soaked the bit for a while in alcohol a as my friend advised.
I then promptly bit a small hole in the bit one of the first times I 
smoked it. I try not to bite very hard, but I think one area of one
of the teeth I hold the pipe with is rather sharp. Also, I think the 
bit on this old one may be brittle. I got a pack of these little 
rubber black thing that fit over the end of the bit for .35 at
my pipe shop. I call them pipe stem condoms. I put one on the pipe
with the hole in the stem, and it covers the hole although it was
hard to get used to. I do not put them on my other pipes , though.
    As I said, I really enjoy cigars. My favorite is a Nat Sherman
maduro. It is very rich and full bodied. I also like the Ashton
maduo and  the  Hoyo de Monterry excalibur. That excalibur is strong,
and sometimes while smoking it I get a big light headed buzz.
I discovered the Nat Sherman a couple weeks ago, it is quite
yummy. I have never really found a pipe tobacco I liked as much 
as cigars. The ones for pipes always seem to mild, except for one
with a lot of latakey(sp) which was like smoking grass(as in the
kind that grows on your lawn) and I did not care for it either.
Cigars are much better for reading, or when you are to busy 
to pay proper attention to the pipe. Also, on  hot summer days
I find a cigar more fitting than a pipe which I always feel is 
more fall or winter. Nothing beats camping at Indian Cave state
park with my friends and waking up early and strolling down
the trails to the Misouri river while smoking a big ole cigar.
A big one will last all the way down there and back up,
close to an hours walk. 

Smoke up boys,



[ And girls, if I may use the "G-word" without prejudice! Thanks,
 Dave! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Rex Wockner)

To: Pipes Digest Subscribers who smoke cigars ...

Don't forget you can also subscribe to the Usenet newsgroup


which I created in February.

It's quite active.

Rex Wockner

(If you can't find it, ask your Internet provider to add it!)

[ But feel free to submit cigar-related items to the Digest, too! -S. ]

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From: Ted Wagner <?????????????????>
Subject: New to group/introduction

Hello all!  I am somewhat new to this discussion group.  I belonged to 
the group when I was still at Indiana University a little over a year 
ago.  At the time, I had to end my participation in the group until I 
had a very good internet provider.

I am (let's see, I always run out of fingers and toes) 29 years old.  I 
have smoked pipes since I was 22, cigars since I was 17, and cigarettes 
since I was 14.  I currently only smoke cigars and pipes.  I am a Civil 
War reenactor with an artillery group in Indiana and that is about all 
that I can do as it occupies my spare time.  I usually do not smoke one 
brand of cigar or pipe tobacco.  I like to purchase something a little 
different each time I visit local tobacco shops.

Something of interest to all.  There is a cigar club here on the west 
side of Indianapolis.  I don't have all the nitty gritty details at hand, 
but everyone gets together twice a month to smoke their choice, eat, play 
pool, chit-chat, have a few beers, etc. at a pub on the west side of 
Indy.  If I can think about brining back the info from work, I will send 
that in to Steve for you all.

Personally, I'd like to find a pipe carver who is not so damn expensive.  
I need a custom carved pipe from a photo of a pipe used during the Civil 
War.  Although I want the pipe very badly (and want it done correctly) I 
don't want to pay a huge amount of money.  This may be unrealistic to ask 
for something for nothing.  The lowest price I have been quoted is $300.  
It is a figure of a soldier's head wearing a kepi.

Happy smoking!


?????????????????			Indy's BEST Public Internet Gateway!
Civil War Reenactor and Collector

[ I have a small booklet called the "Directory of American
Pipemakers," from PCI several years ago.  If you're really, _really_
nice to me, and send me the address of the Indianapolis club, and your
snail address, I'll copy it for you... Also check with Tom Dunn at
TPSE/TUCOPS for his directory. -S. ]

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From: Andrew Lewis Tepper <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

  It's my understanding that what we're talking about is putting back
issues of the Pipes Digest on Mosaic. That would really be no different
than putting them on an FTP site; it would just be easier to get to. If
this is the whole plan, then I'm in favor. If you intend to distribute
_new_ issues by just updating the web page (and not mailing them out)
I'm against that. I really look forward to receiving the Digest each
Friday. I'm often inspired to go down to my wine cellar (where my
humidor is kept), peruse my assortment of cigars, and select one to
enjoy on the porch.
  Today I'm thinking of having a La Fontana double corona size. I just
discovered these and I really like them. They are quite sweet (not
sweetened though), and have a very fragrant smoke. They have a lot of
character for a lighter flavor cigar (which I usually don't like). Funny
comment on lighter flavor cigars, I think from Cigar Aficianado:
"Macanudos?!? They're like smoking fresh air!"


[ You understand correctly, Andy. I'll keep the mail system as it is.
At least until someone in management here complains... -S. ]

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From: ttyson <?????????????????>
Subject: I also have to ask???

I've heard the term "MOSAIC" used in several different groups, but still 
don't know enough (read anything) about it to be able to even offer an 
educated reply of yea or nay. Is the mosaic simple enough to be used by 
us (me) semi-computer-ignorant dummies? I really enjoy the weekly 
newsletter and would hate to miss an issue because it changed and I 
couldn't figure out how to access it.

BTW: Still searching for that one of a kind female. You know, the one 
that enjoys cigars as much as I do.


[ From recent traffic on a.s.c., a lot of male types are... Re
MOSAIC, see below. -S. ]

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

Two things:

	- Pipe smoking contest at Mission Pipe Shop,
	  San Jose, Calif., Sept. 10th., 1:00pm

	- Mosaic: yay or nay? (LONG)


There will be a pipe smoking contest held at the Mission Pipe
Shop, located in the Town and Country Village on Steven's Creek
Blvd and Winchester, in San Jose, Saturday Sept. 10th.
The store will provide the pipe and the tobacco (presumably a measured amount
for each contestant). All contestants keep their pipes as
a souvenir. FREE. No entry fee at all (at least that's what
I was told).

The contest is to see who can keep the pipe lit for the longest
amount of time. Contestants are given two matches with which
to light the pipe and keep it lit.

You must sign up for the contest in advance. (Although their
flyer doesn't say what "advance" means."

For more info, contact the Mission Pipe Shop, 812 Town and
Country Village Dr. (use the Winchester Blvd entrance, across from
the Century 21 Theater), (408) 241-8868 or (800) 779-8868.

(DISCLAIMER: I have no affiliation with Mission Pipe Shop
except as a regular customer.)


Web (Mosaic)? Yes! Which is *not* to say that we should
eliminate the mailing list. No, we should use the
World-Wide Web to archive the best of the list, relevant
pictures, and relevant information.

To answer Steve's request for info on Mosaic and the Web,
the World-Wide Web (or W3, or WWW as it is abbreviated), is
a protocol for making information available. You can think
of it as a graphical version of FTP.

In order to find information on the World-Wide Web (WWW)
you need a browser. There are several different kinds of
browsers available, but Mosaic appears to be the most
popular. (Mosaic was created at NCSA and has been ported to
Macintosh, Windows, and the X Window System running on just
about every computer made.) If your system does not have
graphics, you can use a text-based browser, such as Lynx.
Both Mosaic and Lynx browsers are available compiled and in
source code free of charge from a variety of FTP sites.

The chief advantage of WWW over other information
distribution systems (such as e-mail, gopher, and FTP) is
hyperlinks. Links can be imbedded in documents so that the
user has merely to select the link to "go" to the new
information. This is especially useful and easy with
graphical browsers, such as Mosaic.

Another advantage of WWW over other information systems is
the ability to display graphics and movies, and play sound
files using the hyperlink paradigm. Of course, all this is
possible only if your system has audio, movie, and graphics
display capabilities.

Which brings us to the disadvantages of WWW. The primary
disadvantage is the complexity of the whole system. In
order to browse the Web you have to install a browser. That
gets you the basic browsing capabilities and the ability to
display GIF and XBM images. In order to display other
images, you need a viewer (such as xv) and have to be sure
the browser knows where to find the viewer. In order to
listen to audio files you need audio capabilities on your
system, and have to have a tool for playing the particular
audio files you encounter.

Another disadvantage is speed (or lack thereof). Many
people, especially the thoughtless or those who use fast,
well-connected sites, overlook the fact that many people
are not so well connected. These thoughtless publishers
create pages with large images that take forever to
download and are a general nuisance.

Finally, the collective "we" are still getting a handle on
how to use all these new publishing systems. My own
personal musing are that:

	- e-mail is like a newspaper or magazine that you want
	  delivered to your doorstep; you don't want to have to
	  do anything for the news to arrive - it should just

	- the WWW (Mosaic) is like shopping, where you want to actively
	  browse, and want to inspect the merchandise before
	  buying; it is like a library or information kiosk where
	  you initiate the search at the time of your choosing

E-mail is a less-than-ideal way to distribute pictures and
sound (at least until everyone gets MIME-compliant mailers
and terabytes of disk space). Because we are not all using
mailers that handle "multimedia" (Lord, I detest that
word), images and sound are cumbersome to manage. Also, one
may not wish to receive a 5 Mbyte mailing just at this
moment - unless disk space is never an issue - because you
might be 4 Mbytes away from overflowing your filesystem.

On the other hand, WWW is a rotten way to publish regular
information. The user must initiate the search for
information - initiate the connection to the particular WWW
server - and until that happens the information is not
distributed. Also, WWW does not provide the same sense of
local community and provide the same mechanisms for
discussion. It is a more one-directional medium (although
it is certainly possible to create feedback mechanisms).

Each method (e-mail and Web) has advantages and
disadvantages.  I don't think that a Web Pipes page should
or could replace the Pipes mailing list.

However, as Joachim so much more succinctly put it, a Web
page with general pipe and tobacco information would be an
excellent resource - an archive of back issues of Pipes,
and reference information on pipes and tobacco.



"Maybe `WWW' includes the word `weird' somewhere." -kozmo (????????????????)

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From: ???????????????????????? (Russ McClay)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

Thanks for including me on the list...keep me there...and keep them coming.

In re: Mosaic...it is an interface developed by NCSA (National Center for
Supercomputing Applications - University of Illinois) that provides a point
and click environment (I use the Windows version) for navigating w3,
gophers, wais servers and other net services.  It has the ability to display
graphics (24 bit!), sound, and video files.  Very excellent development. 

One address I have is for the developers: ????????????????????????

All the best, 
Russ McClay

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From: Joachim Posegga <??????????????????>
Subject: Information on Mosaic and a question on clay pipes

The first part of this contribution has little to do with pipes, but I
think it is useful at the current point of the discussion about putting
back issues of the digest under Mosaic.  To avoid misunderstandings,
here is some information on Mosaic, written from my point of view. (It
might contain errors in some technical details -- I am not an expert on
the field)

First, as I understand it, it was not proposed to replace the digest
in its current form by Mosaic. What was proposed is to put back issues
in a place where that they can be accessed with Mosaic. The effect of
this would be that everyone connected to the Internet could read the
issues (provided they have Mosaic, or another program of this kind --
see below).

Mosaic is a program to access the Word Wide Web. Thus, you must know
first what the WWW is; I quote from the documentation:

 "The WorldWideWeb (W3) is the universe of network-accessible
 information, an embodiment of human knowledge. It is an initiative
 started at CERN , now with many participants. It has a body of
 software, and a set of protocols and conventions. W3 uses hypertext
 and multimedia techniques to make the web easy for anyone to roam,
 browse, and contribute to."

Putting this a bit less dramatically: WWW is the attempt to have common
way of accessing all Information on the Internet.  A simple Example: if
I want to have a look at the Meteosat image of Europe to find out about
the current weather conditions, I do not
	- have to find out where this picture is stored,
	- ftp to corresponding  host and retrieve the image file,
	- uncompress the file, and
	- start a program on my machine to view the picture. Instead, I
just click on a button and all this is done for me.

Mosaic is the program that does this (and many other things). As far as
I know, it requires a full, online Internet connection. Mosaic has, in
first instance, nothing to do with DOS, Windows, Unix, Macintoshes or
whatever your preferred operating system is. It is just a program that
handles the Internet protocol for you.  It allows you to transfer files,
look at pictures or maps, play audio files, read documents, etc within
one program. You do not need to know anything about the actual location
of these resources, file formats, transfer methods, etc.  Versions of
Mosaic exist for DOS, Windows, Unix, Macintoshes, and probably for some
other machines/operating systems.

When I first heard about Mosaic (not too long ago), I thought that it is
just another crap I don't need. After I first used it, I was convinced
that it is the best thing since sliced bread. You can use it as a toy,
but it can also help you a lot with serious things.

If you have access to it and have not used it yet, give it a try. It's
worth looking at it. (I case you are curious: my page (containing
scientific stuff) is on http://emmy.ira.uka.de/~posegga)

OK, back to the topic: I recently bought a clay pipe (white,
churchwarden style) and I smoked it about 5 or 6 times. As I expected,
it is getting very hot. Unexpectedly, it is also very hard to light up,
keep lit, and the taste is not very exciting (ie: very strong and the
smoke bites a lot). Could anyone comment on smoking clay pipes vs briar?
Do you fill it in the same way, or more loosely? I have the impression
that its taste is becoming better, will this continue?  Otherwise, I
will probably give it up.


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From: ?????????????????????? (Gerry Hilton)
Subject: digest 155 & 156

Good Morning Steve.....
        I really look forward to the weekends when your digest comes 
through. Its one of the highlights of the week. 
        In digest 155, you were asking for input on changing over to Mosaic. 
As far as I'm concerned-- don't bother. I have found Mosaic to be really 
slow and clumsy. I've lost an awful lot of files and info with it. I like 
the digest the way it is now and I can put everything on a floppy and 
catalogue it.
        Someone gave me a small bottle of Dr. Greybow Pipe Sweetener a while 
ago and I haven't used it yet. It's got a small sign on it that says it's 
not to be taken internally... I'm supposed to smoke my pipes after I"ve 
swabbed  them out with this stuff? Has anybody used this before? Until now 
I've just been using pipe cleaners and when I'm around my shop I use 
compressed air.
Crude, but effective. I guess some of us are a little closer to the tree 
than others.
        Anyway, thanks for your time and effort on this digest.
   Gerry Hilton         ??????????????????????

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: MOSAIC

Steve, re Mosaic, it is of no use to me. I use Windows for PageMaker, but
otherwise avoid it like the plague. Graphic interfaces I find annoying. As long
as I can get the news-ltr as I do now, it is of no concern to me.
I have yet to find a Windows program that works as well as my DOS programs,
but then I have little interest in the gifs and bmp files. It sounds like
Mosaic would require that I adapt to other add-ons to use. I'm a simple
meat and potatoes (with an e) kind of guy. Except for cigars, I do like the
pricey ones. On occasion. And Radice and Dunhill pipes. 

In any event, put me down as neutral. If a majority want, it go for it.

I've edited the August news letter to remove most of the modem language and
printed for a friend/ trying to get him on line and interested. Fred Rosenberg
is his name, just in case he shows up someday you'll know from whence he came.

Best regards,


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From: "Mark D. Lamoree" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

	I am a pipe smoking college student who is spending some time in 
the Washington DC area.(At Catholic University)  My question to 
afficianados in the area is, where can I find a good tobacconist easily 
accessible by the metro?  Any help (Via digest or e-mail) would be 
Mark D. Lamoree			    :	"I am not a Number, I am a Free Man"
????????????????????????            :                        #6

[ The Resource Guide lists the Georgetown Tobacco And Pipe Store and
W. Curtis Draper Tobacconist, both in Washington, DC. Any others? -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Re: #2(2) Pipes Digest #156 -...

Sorry to hear about your back problems!!!  Hope you're back on your feet
soon! Seeing as how I'm on a ship that deploys alot I've not gotten around to
introducing myself to the group yet.  I'll try to rectify that at a later

Smoke in peace!!

John Mayfield

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Don't Boil !!! Plus, Seattle Club!

First to Tom Line:

To clean a badly abused pipe, or estate pipe. You do NOT immerse the entire
pipe in boiling alcohol! "Boiling" a bowl is just a term!  Buy some Isopropyl
 "Rubbing" alcohol at a drugstore, second, buy a crap load of bristled pipe
cleaners and a crap load of regular pipe cleaners (preferably thick tapered
ones.) First prepare the pipe by removing all excess carbon from the inside
of the bowl and remove the stem.  What I do is pour some of the RA in a
container with a handle on it, (a small ceramic creamer with a pour spout is
perfect)  and bring this to a boil in the microwave (doesn't take long, a few
seconds), then carefully pour this into the bowl of the pipe while holding
the pipe at an angle so that it doesn't spill out of the shank end. Also be
careful NOT to get the RA on the outside of the bowl as it will strip the
polish right off. Let this sit for a while, (real dirty bowl 1 hour.) Pour
out the liquid through the shank end and wipe off any dribbles. Use a rag to
twist in the bowl to dry it up and remove the tars.  Then start to clean
shank with the bristle cleaners and last with the regular cleaners until they
come out of the pipe almost as white as they went in. That's why you need a
CRAP load! Let it dry out for a day or two. 

Now for the stem! If it's a black vulcanite stem, just soak them in straight
household bleach for a few hours. You'll see them start to fizz when you plop
them in. If the pipe has a logo stamped in it and painted, just paint a
little vaseline or chapstick over the logo to protect it. This bleaching will
not only sanitize them but will remove the oxidation that turns them yellow,
brown, and ugly.  Next, run a crap load of cleaners trough them along with a
good long warm rinse of water.  To polish the stem, I use a polish found in
motorcycle shops called Simichrome. Comes in a small yellow and red box and
tube. Use this to bring the stem back to showroom lustre!

This REALLY works and this is what the pros use! If it makes you feel better,
I do this to my Dunhills all the time (about every three months.)

To: Cort Odekirk

Yes I have a newsletter that I started to try to get pipe and cigar smokers
here in Seattle interested in a club. I distributed the newsletter to a few
smoke shops, however none in the UW district. If you're interested in helping
me form this club, I 've been waiting! All we need is a few members to get
started, I've got restuarants taht'll make us feel welcome, and can probably
get some smokeshop backing to get started.


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From: Joachim Posegga <??????????????????>
Subject: Questions on Meerschaum pipe

Can someone propose a way for cleaning a used meeschaum pipe? I bought
one yesterday for about $15, basically to find out if I like smoking
meerschaums (I still can't imagine that I will enjoy smoking a pipe
without touching the bowl). The pipe has been used a lot and it smells
like it needs basic cleaning.

As it seems not worth to invest in professional cleaning of it, I'd
prefer to try it by myself. Hacker describes in his book a procedure for
cleaning briar by salt and alcohol, but it is not clear to me if this
can be applied to meerschaums as well. Does anyone have experience
with this, or can propose another method? 

Btw, do people use any liquids for regular cleaning of meerschaums?
Hacker says you should not, but a German book I have says a little bit
of pure alcohol now and then does not hurt. Any opinions?

Maybe someone can help me with identifying the pipe: it is a London
style pipe with an amber mouthpiece. From looking at the box it came
with, I would guess it is at least 30 years old. Inside the box is
Anyone heard of this?

Thanks in advance,


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From: ????????????????????????????? (Mike Coan)
Subject: WWW Pipe Page Proposal

Hello fellow smokers:

        I'm probably more familiar with Mosaic than pipes at this time. For
those who haven't used it, Mosaic is a cross-platform (Mac, Unix, Windows)
tool for net surfing. Other, similar tools exist, but Mosaic is pretty much
a standard. Mosaic defines itself:

>What is NCSA Mosaic? Mosaic is an Internet-based global hypermedia
>browser that allows you to discover, retrieve, and display documents
>and data from all over the Internet.
>Mosaic is part of the World Wide Web project, a distributed
>hypermedia environment originated at CERN and collaborated upon by a
>large, informal, and international design and development team.
>Mosaic helps you explore a huge and rapidly expanding universe of
>information and gives you powerful new capabilities for interacting
>with information.

        Maybe I'm wrong: I understand the proposed Web access page would be
"as well as" than an "instead of" situation: that the newsletter would
still be posted to members, but certain informative articles and graphics
would be available for general net access. The past newsletters would be
available by ftp from the same server, too.

        Frankly, this sounds like a great idea for those with access to
such Web software. Graphics of different pipes, with descriptions and
distinctions would be a wonderful resource. What are "Canadians and Bulldog
shaped bowls"? (I frankly don't know the meaning of most of the descriptive
words the knowledgeable members use, and have no nearby tobacco shop to go
ask. Neither do I want to parade my ignorance in the mailings.) A central
depository of such terms would be very useful for beginners, compiled by
you experts.

        The same could be done with tobacco descriptions. What is Latakia?
What do all these numbers (#759, and so on) mean?

        This sort of web page could keep annoying entry-level questions
from occupying much of the members mailboxes, and would also serve to
educate the casual net surfers.

        So, count me as a vote "yea" for a WWW access page.

        Meanwhile, I've invested in a Peterson's, along with (4) 7oz
packages of tobacco from Iwan Ries & Co.! (Thank heavens for mailorder.)
Solid massive pipe and smooooooth smokes. I figured my computer could do
without one less  program for a while longer.

        Major differences from my First Pipe, the "customized" Dr. Grabow
drugstore special. This one travels in my shirt pocket on hikes and canoe
trips. Actually smokes cool with a quartz pebble in the bowl.

        Time for another bowl...
                                        Mike Coan

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From: ??????????????????????????
Subject: Introduction

Dear Steve,

it's about the time to introduce myself; I'm more a silent reader
than an active writer and therefore didn't jump on the 'soap box' for
the last few month. Oh by the way, please excuse my poor English,
I'm a native C speaker (computer scientist's joke ;-). Well, I'm
a 24 year old student of computer sciences and mathematics living
in Kaiserslautern, Germany.

When I bought my first pipe about three years ago it was the beginning
of a new passion -- you'll hardly meet me without a pipe in my
mouth/hand/pocket in these days. I prefer English blends (Dunhill 965,
McConnell's Scottish Blend) and traditional shapes.

Regarding Mosaic, I'm not sure. It might be a fancy add-on but not
a substitute. Just my 2 cents ;-)

Okay, that's all for now. My best wishes to everyone on the list; I'm
anxiously awaiting every future issue of the digest. It's great!

Best, Thorsten

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From: Ib Fagerlund <???????????????????>
Subject: Mosaic ?

The Pipers Digest
Re: Mosaic

Joachim's posting last week made me reconsider if the Digest really should
go on WWW. My first reaction was - yes, off cause. Mosaic is a lovely tool
for exploring "the world". And why should pipe/cigar smokers not have online
information of this kind available ?
But, but, but... Remember what is happening in the alt.smokers(.pipes/cigars).
All the anti-smokers seems to be very concerned about our health.
We will be overloaded with flaming replys to whatever is posted in the
Digest. Is this worth it ? I say not.
An information page (on WWW) would be much more appropriate.
A place where you can request the subscription of the Digest and maybe reveal
information about related activities.
If the issue was to gain easyer access to back issues of the Digest, i go
for a ftp site. Much easyer to administrate.

Ib Fagerlund

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From: ???????????????????????????? (Dave Beedle)
Subject: Re: PIPES DIGEST #155

In a recent message ???????????????????????? wrote:
> sorry to be in the dark, but what's "Mosaic"?
> [ From what I know of it, it's a large distributed database with some
> hypertext capability. Anyone have a better definition? -S. ]

   Mosaic is a hypertext/multimedia client to the World Wide Web.  It is
graphic based and runs on Macintosh, Windows and X.  I think a number of folks
get things confused when speaking of Mosaic...the system is not Mosaic, rather,
Mosaic is only a client to access the World Wide Web (WWW).  It is not the only
one that can do this nor do you need a high powered machine or even windows or
X to access the web.  I guess the next question is what is the Web...the World
Wide Web is a distributed information system.  It's competition is the Internet
gopher.  The web though is a hypertext interface rather than the gopher "menu"
   I think the more basic question here has nothing to do with Mosaic or the
web.  I think the question might be do we, the members of the digest, wish to
make the information in the digest more accessible to the world at large and
through channels other than email?  I would not like to see the digest not be
distributed through email but thing all types of access can coexist. I
personally would like ready access to the shop directory and mail order
directory rather than emailing Steve M. each time I delete the thing!

   No pipe or tobac content in there...I'll see what I can do next time though!

  Dave Beedle  - Unix Support Manager - ????????????????? -  Network Services
       http://www.ilstu.edu/~dbeedle/               Illinois State University
 "It is better to think of church in the ale-house than      136A Julian Hall
  to think of the ale-house in church." - Martin Luther     Normal, IL  61761

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From: Jim Conforti <????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994

On Mosaic .. sounds like a good idea, making the info available by
such means should also increase access to our "cause"

I even volunteer to provide GIF scans of various (south of FL) cigar
boxes and bands :)

For the list:

Does anyone know of a good (read: reasonably priced) mail-order Davidoff
source .. we have no Davidoff store in Utah :(

 Jim Conforti

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From: ???????????????????
Subject: Mosaic, et al

HI! My name is Bruce Perrussel and I've reading your newsletter for
a couple of months. Great work. I'm one of those "terrible cigarette
smokers" that almose everyone loves to hate. (except the taxman)
I really enjoy hearing about the pipe shops both past and present.
Olympia Washington lost its only pipe shop a few years ago. I also
enjoy learning about different tobaccos.
On the subject of mosaic, I've never seen it. I have an "old"
8088 computer, which works great for the internet, word processing
and keeping my wife's business records. If you went to mosaic I
would have to drop your newsletter. I'm sure there are others out
there like me. Lets leave the newsletter alone. Maybe putting all
*the past issues on an ftp sight would be the answer.
Keep up the great work!

Bruce Perrussel
Olympia, WA


[ Thanks for the intro, and welcome to the gang of "terrible tobacco
users!" But we wouldn't "go to Mosaic;" rather, we'd just use it as an
additional way to distribute back issues. -S. ]

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From: JOSEPH MAXIMILLIAN MURPHY <???????????????>
Subject: Mosaic and Peace Pipes

First of all, I'd like to throw a vote in favor of archiving old issues of the
digest, one way or another. Mosaic's hypertext links seem potentially useful
for this. Face it, folks, we're a resource! I'd like to suggest, though, that
only the old editions be available; the current week (or two, or month?)
should go out to the members first, and the general public later. I think this
strikes a happy medium.

I also found something I've been meaning to ask the group about. Last October,
at the Kenyon Folk Festival in Gambier, OH (on the campus of Kenyon College), I
met a blacksmith who makes pipes! He says that they're designed like Indian
peace pipes, and although he doesn't generally smoke, he says they smoke pretty
well (although they're primarily designed as collectors' items). They run about
$100. The best part is this: he makes them from old rifle barrels! Being an
artsy type and something of a liberal, I just love the symbolism. My question,
though, is this. Is it really a good idea to smoke out of a metal pipe? At the
minimum, wouldn't there be a heat problem? Any comments or experience? Anyway,
if you're interested, the address is: Norman Wendell, 180 Marks Ave,
Lancaster, OH, 43130. Phone # 614-654-2040.

-Joe Murphy                        "Slimy--yet satisfying!"
???????????????                         -"The Lion King"

[ Strange! Thanks for the note! -S. ]

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(At a wrestling match:) "Why? Is it interfering with your enjoyment of
mindless violence?" 

[Also suitable for football, hockey, or most TV.] 

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994
  2. Subject: Pipes
  3. Subject: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  4. Subject: Is this thing
  5. Subject: introduction(pipe digest)
  7. Subject: New to group/introduction
  8. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  9. Subject: I also have to ask???
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  11. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  12. Subject: Information on Mosaic and a question on clay pipes
  13. Subject: digest 155 & 156
  14. Subject: MOSAIC
  15. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  16. Subject: Re: #2(2) Pipes Digest #156 -...
  17. Subject: Don't Boil !!! Plus, Seattle Club!
  18. Subject: Questions on Meerschaum pipe
  19. Subject: WWW Pipe Page Proposal
  20. Subject: Introduction
  21. Subject: Mosaic ?
  22. Subject: Re: PIPES DIGEST #155
  23. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
  24. Subject: Mosaic, et al
  25. Subject: Mosaic and Peace Pipes
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