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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #158 -- September 16, 1994

	       Pipes Digest #158 -- September 16, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 514

Welcome to new members:

	 Stephen Parkes			(????????????????????????????)
	 Andy Miller			(????????????????????????????)
	 Mike H. Syn			(?????????????????)
	 Linnea Brush			(???????????????)
	 Jon Bergstrom			(???????????????????????)
	 Vernon E. Peterson		(??????????????????????????)
	 George Dibos			(????????????????????)
	 Jeff Rients			(?????????????????????????)
	 Courtney M. Evans		(?????????????????)
	 David Price Thompson		(???????????????????)
	 Don Crafton			(???????????????????)
	 Rob C. Morrison		(????????????????????????????????????)

And we have some exciting news: there is now a Web page for back
issues of the Pipes Digest! See later in this issue; and thanks to
Steve Beaty for putting it up, to Bill Magill for sage advice, and to
Richard at the Brookfield Economics Institute for his work on plain
vanilla FTP!

For those who want to check out the alpha version of the Web page,
it's in:


See Steve's letter at the end of this Digest. (BTW, there's usually
nothing significant about the ordering of the letters either; they
usually go out in the order they come in.)

And join us now for a few puffs of the old stress releivers as we
discuss soaking in alcohol %^), lapel buttons, salivary hyperactivity,
Havana comes to Indianapolis, and, Bob help us, MYOB...

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	     Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
			Call -- Write -- Vote
			Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994

+ From: Jim Conforti <????????????????>
+ Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156 -- September 2, 1994
+ ...
+ Does anyone know of a good (read: reasonably priced) mail-order
+ Davidoff source .. we have no Davidoff store in Utah :(
+  Jim Conforti
+  <????????????????>

You can contact Davidoff at:

	535 Madison
	NY, NY, 10022
	(212) 751-9060

Kam Kashani


"Maybe `WWW' includes the word `weird' somewhere." -kozmo (????????????????)

[ Resource Guide updated. Thanxs! -S. ]

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From: Eric McKinney <?????????????>
Subject: Re: alcohol cleaning

>I soaked the bit for a while in alcohol a as my friend advised.
>I then promptly bit a small hole in the bit one of the first times I 
>smoked it. I try not to bite very hard, but I think one area of one
>of the teeth I hold the pipe with is rather sharp. Also, I think the 
>bit on this old one may be brittle.

A warning about alcohol soaking - some forms of plastic will react very
poorly to this.  Many types will discolor, cloud up, crack, or become very
brittle.  You might want to test it out by putting a drop in a
inconspicuous spot on the stem (on either tip, for example).  I think this
may have been what happened in your case.

Eric McKinney <?????????????>

[ Also, although it's getting to be out of season, avoid leaving your
pipe in a hot car. Hard on stems too. -S. ]

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From: ???????????
Subject: Re: #1(2) Your Pipes Digest s...

Thanks for the subscription.  In glancing very briefly over your first
transmissions, I note that, in the resources section of the
above-referenced posting, Pipeworks is still listed at its New York
address.  I understood that Elliot Nachwalter (formerly a neighbor of
mine) had vacated his NY premises and moved the entire operation to
Manchester, VT as of last March. I haven't received any communications
from him since then, to verify that he has abandoned Manhattan, but
you might check.

[ I believe you're correct; does anyone have his current address? -S. ] 

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From: Adam Hecktman <???????????????????>
Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994


Ted Wagner mentioned a cigar club in Indy.  I do not know if this is 
the one he had in mind, but I do know that there is a relatively new 
club in Indy run by the folks at The Pipe Puffer.  Sorry, I don't have 
an address, but information ought to have it for you.


[ More detailed info later... -S. ]

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From: ????????????
Subject: Digest #157


Very delighted with the issue!!!

I did not attend the N>Y> Show this year and had to cancel DC due to an
emergency...therefore, I am not positive about the buttons you mentioned.

George H.  mentioned he had bought some buttons for use in our show in
October...AND, we ordered a batch of 10th Aniversary pins for our
members.  Anyway...both shall be present at our celebration.

Mosaic: I am not very familiar with the system, but from what I have
been reading in the Pipe Digest......  I agree with the people who are
advocating a simple and fast text system.  I have doubts that I will
be able to access it via the AOL gateway.

My introductory "BIO" shall be my next transmission.  Just wanted to
respond about the buttons and let you know that the mail is arriving
without any problems.


[ Thanks! Glad to see that the buttons are doing someone some good... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Brookfield Economics Institute (U.S.A.) Limited)
Subject: pipes digest

We all love the Pipes Digest. I personally wrote in the last issue and
explained how I went from cigars to pipes mostly due to your Digest...I
write this while breaking in a Peterson Sherlock Holmes Dr. Watson I
acquired recently at Edwards Pipe Shop in Northridge, California.

Well, lately, one more convert to pipes...he got a new Barling and is
enjoying it a lot. We each have private offices which makes it a lot easier
to smoke during work. What a civilized, enjoyable pleasure it is to puff
away while on the phones, in meetings or working on your PC.

Can you please please please send us past issues or let us know where they
are available via anon ftp? We'd really appreciate it and we will continue
to contribute as much as possible. Thank you very much.


[ Back issues sent... and glad to hear about the convert! Also, thanks
for your work on the plaintext FTP site. -S. ]

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From: "Bruce E. Gillespie" <???????????????????>
Subject: Digest # 156 

Dear Steve:

Thanks for the digests.  I  have been enjoying them.  In the 
last digest a contributer listed a personal Dunhill blend that 
interested me, but I inadvertantly erased the digest.  It was a 
Dunhill blend of 965, London Mixture and Bengal Slices, he 
said.  He also said it could be ordered from Dunhill in 
Chicago.  I need to know the exact # of the tobacco and the 
address in Chicago.  Could you supply such?

I think you list the old address for Connoisseur Pipe Shop, 
Ltd. in NYC.  Their address for the last couple of years is:  
1285 Avenue of the Americas(Paine Webber Building at 51st), New 
York, NY  10019, Concourse level.   (212) 247-6054.


Bruce Gillespie

[ From the Resource Guide:

Alfred Dunhill of London		(Smoking accessories and
60 E. 56th Street			 related leather items. 
New York, NY 10022			 AE, Visa, MC. Annual brochure
212-888-4000				 available.)

Can't personally supply the Chicago address, but Dunhill 965 is a
pretty common blend. Should be available in lots of places. Thanks for
the update on Connoisseur. -S. ]

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From: Mark Brush <???????????????>
Subject: Cigars

I've read about your newsgroup in several different places. Right off, I 
should say that I'm a woman who smokes fine cigars (Fuente Hemingway 
Signatures and 8-5-8 naturals and maduros are my cigars of choice). I 
hope this is not a problem for the (predominantly male) cigar smokers out 
there. I've always believed that smoking good tobacco was (1) cultural, 
and (2) a matter of taste. I was not raised to believe that cigars were a 
"male domain." Yet, in the latest issue of Cigar Aficionado magazine, 
there is a letter that quite vehemently opposes women smoking cigars. 
What is the general reaction of men to this? Do most male cigar smokers 
feel this way?

Smoker bashing is a big issue out here in California. My boss (who 
introduced me to the pleasures of cigars) said that he was in a public 
park with his kids and had just lighted up one of his favorite cigars. A 
woman sitting quite a distance from him (and therefore not likely to be 
bothered by the smoke) came over and told him that he was setting a 
terrible example for the children in the park! This was from a total 
stranger in an outdoor public place. I was in New York recently and got 
the impression that cigars and pipes and much more accepted (in the lobby 
of the Algonquin Hotel, I saw a man smoking a cigar and a woman smoking a 
pipe -- something you would never see here in the L.A. area).

Just a last note of interest: I hate machine-made cigars, but I was 
introduced to a pretty good one not too long ago: Marsh Wheelings. These 
are produced in the United States and go back to the 1860s. They are 
inexpensive and taste quite good. Since Fuentes (and many other 
cigars) are in shorter supply these days, someone looking for a cheaper 
alternative might give these a try.

Anyway, consider me signed up for your cigar and pipe group. This may be 
a longer "subscribe" message than most, but I'm just happy to find a 
group that deals with cigars, pipes, and fine tobacco!

--Linnea Brush
[ Thanks, Linnea, and welcome! Personally, I think it's great to share
the hobby with any women who enjoy it. Re bashing, your letter
inspired me to post a minor polemic to alt.smokers.cigars and .pipes,
which is reproduced here, with minor mods. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????

Hello, thanks for the warm welcome and information. Its going to be
refreshing to have people to talk to about pipes and cigars for a change. I
guess I'll begin by apologizing for the "faux pas" of not including my real
name when I subscribed. My name is Bill Powers and I am 37 years old. I have
been smoking pipes/cigars for 20 years. I was introduced to pipe smoking by a
fellow "barracks rat" at the tender age of 17 when I entered the Air Force. I
found the aroma of pipe tobacco irresistible and he gave me my first pipe,
which I still enjoy today. Luckily, there was a Tinder Box store in town
which I, of course, began to frequent. I began moonlighting there about a
year later and it was then I developed a taste for cigars; we were allowed to
smoke ALL the Tinder Box brand cigars we wanted while on shift, as well as
any two imported cigars. Additionally, we could smoke as much pipe tobacco as
we wanted while working. I worked a lot.
 I have about 36 pipes in my collection now, about half of what I once had;
movers "lost" some and I gave a few away to friends over the years. I have at
least one from most of the major manufactures: Dunhill, Charatan, Butz
Choquin, Comoy, etc. Standards as well as freehands, meerschaums, calabashes,
porcelain, clay; a fairly well rounded collection. For tobacco, I generally
enjoy something light like Troost in the morning and an english mixture in
the evening, I have a particular weakness for Bengal Slices and Rattray's
 In cigars I generally like the larger ring gauges in a variety of shapes but
if I had to pick one favorite it would be a rothschild. Like pipe tobacco, I
enjoy something light such as Royal Jamaica or Arturo Fuente in the morning
and a little more body in the evening, Cuba Aliados or El Rey Del Mundos. For
anyone wanting to try cigars I like and highly recommend Connecticut Valley
 Enough about me. I would like to put my two cents in on a couple of notes I
To Joachim: Clay pipes don't season much, if at all. The "earthy" taste is a
trait of clays, as is smoking hot and wet (Even though a churchwarden has a
fairly long stem, it isn't long enough if your blend is heavily cased). About
all you can do is modify your current blend or switch blends when you smoke
the clay. If you let me know what you smoke, I may be able to let you know
how to "fix" it without changing the taste too much. Also, don't let a cake
build up on the inside of the bowl, it will crack it.
Cleaning a meerschaum: Meerschaum scratches easily and you have to be
careful, both on the outside of the bowl and when using a pipe cleaner. I
would let a professional do it. If you like the character of a meerschaum
pipe but it seems too much trouble, I suggest you try African meerschaum. It
is denser and generally stained on the outside so you can hold it like a
briar. It can also take more abuse than Turkish meerschaum.
 Well, thanks again, and I look forward to "seeing" everyone around.

[ Thanks, Bill! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Robert Inch Jr)
Subject: Greetings!

	Wow! This is nicer than I had hoped. I have recently begun
working at Edwards Pipe & Tobbaco in Los Altos, CA USA, and I've
been having trouble finding information about tobbaco, so this is
very exciting for me. I find it frustrating that tobbaco is largely
classified by brand name, with reference often to it's content.
As a cigarrette smoker, I have developed my own assumtions about
things, such as the distinction between virginia tobbaco, and
the dark tobbaco in french cigarettees. I would like to be able
to classify tobbaco similarly to the way coffee is now classified
in specialty shops. My favorite cigarette tobbaco right now
is Old Holborn. I like "virginia bright" tobbaco when I can
stomach the high acidity, for cigarettes. My favorite cigars so
far (after three weeks), are Canaria D'Oro coronas, Joya de Nicaragua
Consul, and H. Uppman Coronas, as well as AVO XO (No. I?) though
I don't like their price. I have had problems recommending cigars
to people, because I use analogies to food flavors, which usually
just gets an amused glance. I hope to learn a new set of analogies,
or any thoughts on what the deal is that makes food analogies
seem rediculous to people. Not spophisticated enough sounding?!
As far as pipe tobbaco, I'm still trying to find pipe tobbaco
that has a...bolder quality, (like leather or olives, rather than
Vanilla...) and I'm still not sure that I know which tobbacos
are "base" tobbacos, and which are mixtures in the shop.

Anyway, thank you thank you thank you. I have not finished reading
this stuff, but I expect to finally get the guidance I've been
looking for. Thanks again.

??????????????????? (Actually kendall shaw, not robert inch)

[ There are some interesting discussions on taste differences and
descriptions in alt.smokers.cigars, if you can receive it. -S. ]

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[ Originally posted to alt.smokers.cigars; thought it might be of
interest to our San Francisco-based clientele. -S. ]

From: ??????????????? (THOR NYC)
Subject: Cigar events during Leather Week in S.F.

Cigar events, co-sponsored by Hot Ash and EBC, to be held in San Francisco
during Leather Week, have been announced:

Thursday, September 22 - informal bar night at Lone Star Saloon, 1354
Harrison Street, starting at about 9:00 p.m. or so.

Friday, September 23 - cigar dinner.  Details to be announced (I believe
they are still searching for a moderate/inexpensive restaurant with a
private room--if you have any suggestions, please post.)

Saturday, September 24 - poker & cigars party.  Because of space
limitations, by invitation only.

Sunday, September 25 - cigar smokers hospitality suite after the Folsom
Street Fair.  Details t.b.a.

For more information, e-mail ??????????????? or call Tony Shenton (Hot
Ash) at 718-789-6147.

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From: Andy Miller <????????????????????????????>
Subject:      I'm new to the list

Greetings. I should introduce myself, I suppose. I'm an English grad student
here at the University of Missouri-Columbia, right in the middle of the state,
and far from any serious pipe resources. That's a shame, since I'm basically
new at this, even after 3 years of smoking pipes. The problem has always been
information: brands, styles, technique, etc-- one of the main reasons I jumped
onto this list. I hope that here I can get beyond what I've learned mostly on
my own. I'd appreciate some reccomendations on all fronts, keeping in mind that
 I'm on a grad student budget. My other interest is in the "cultural analysis"
of the pipe phenomenon: I've seen that the pipe is almost always linked to
questions of identity formation, and I'm curious about observations on this
front from more experienced pipe smokers (and members of the pipe community).
Thanks, from Andy Miller <c621598.mizzou1.missouri.edu>

[ Interesting! Could you explain further? -S. ]

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From: Steve Masticola (????????????????????????)
Subject: The Miracle of MYOB

[ Minorly edited version of posting to alt.smokers.cigars and
alt.smokers.pipes. -S. ]

Hi, all,

Warning, polemic ahead... But I hope it'll provide some defensive
armament for we who need it. 

I've been hearing quite a bit lately about people who go to a public
park, light up... and then get hassled by some total stranger who was
sitting fifty feet upwind. Face it, folks, smoker-bashing is in vogue
among the political correctoids. To them, your cigar or pipe is
EVERYBODY's business.

Now, note that I'm not talking about situations where the smoker has
been deliberately rude, or even inadvertently careless. I'm talking
about situations where you _have_ made every possible effort to be
polite, and are still getting bashed without any real reason.

For these times, I offer an unhumble suggestion on dealing with
bashers. Put THEM on the defensive. Look 'em straight in the eye, and
in your best no-nonsense, line-in-the-sand command voice, tell 'em:

                      "MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS."

Say it loud and clear, so that everyone around will hear. Embarras 'em

Then ignore 'em. Do not engage them in conversation. As long as you're
not bothering anybody, your smoke is _not_ their business, there is no
issue which requires further discussion, and they are behaving
offensively if they persist in interfering with you.

If they do so, get right in their face, look 'em square in the eye
again, and remind 'em,


99 times out of 100, they'll back down. Bullies only bully people when
they think they can get away with it. 

Practice this so that you'll have it ready when it's needed.

I emphasize that this should be used only as a defense against
bashing, not as a substitute for consideration. 

Hope this helps! Other suggestions welcome.

                                Smoke in peace,
                                ~\U Steve (????????????????????????).

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From: ????????????????????????? (Joe Bowman)
Subject: Saliva build-up

Hi all!

Well, I smoked my first pipe on Friday night (Sept. 9).  And I have a
major question.  I had to spit constantly.  There was no way that I could
keep my mouth dry.  What causes this?  What am I doing wrong?

Nonetheless, I'm not going to get discouraged too easily.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


*  Joe Bowman -- aw ???????????????????????                           *
* "I've got two brains.  One is lost, the other's out looking for it! *

[ Think about the Sahara? Seriously, if your mouth gets too moist,
breathe through your mouth to dry it out. With training, you'll notice
less of a problem after a while. -S. ]

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From: Ted Wagner <?????????????????>
Subject: Indy West side Cigar Club

Fellow Smokers!

I have the info  to share regarding the Indianapolis Cigar Club on the 
west side of town...love to hear about other clubs out here in 

The club is called "Havana Daydreamin' Cigar Club of Central Indiana."  
They hold meetings at Dealer's Choice Pub at 3970 Georgetown road 
(between 38th street and Lafayette as it makes a curve).  They meet each 
2nd and 4th Tuesday of each month from 8pm to 10pm.  Complimentary cigars 
are sometimes provided by "The Tobacco Shop, Your Personal Tobacconist" 
in Lafayette Square Mall (just blocks away).

Contacts for the club are: John Rice, 317-442-7957, Chris Owens, 
317-484-1639, and Randy Biggs, 317-299-6010 (Randy is the propietor of 
The Tobacco Shop...I believe..same phone number).

Here is a quote  from the flyer:

"Havana Daydreamin' Cigar Club of Central Indiana is open to all cigar 
lovers and their friends who enjoy cigars, pipes, and tobacco."

They have black tie affairs at a very good eatery off of Rockville Road 
here in Indianapolis.  They also publish an "establishment friendly" list 
for us smokers who enjoy a meal and a smoke of our "choice."  They also 
hold other affairs and events including dart games, billiards, longest 
ash contest, etc.  

Membership for 6 months is $25.   1 year is $40 and includes a one year 
subscription to "Cigar Aficionado."  For more information, please call:

The Tobacco Shop (at Lafayette Square)

I have not met Randy Biggs, although I have visited his establishment a 
few times when I get the courage to go to Lafayette Square mall.  I must 
confess, I buy most of my cigars from either JR or the Smoke Shop.  There 
is a local two store tobacconist called "Hardwicks" but at times I have 
found them a little "high" in price.  Although, all of the tobacco stores 
I have visited in Indianapolis tend to be of the friendly folk.  I have 
enjoyed the Pipe Puffers in the Keystone Fashion Mall for some time 

That is all!  Hope this was of some help!  If anybody out there is a 
member of the club, I would appreciate a little review or just drop me 
some email!  

Ciao!  Happy SMoking!


(Oh, BTW, if anyone sees a pipe that is dated from the Civil War, please, 
please, give zap me some email, I would be very interested in purchasing 
it possibly)
?????????????????			Indy's BEST Public Internet Gateway!
Civil War Reenactor and Collector

[ Thanks for the terrific info! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????

Sorry I came in on the tail end of your discussion on tobaccos, its one of my
favorite subjects. I just want to add a bit about Perique, please forgive me
if this is a repeat of something already discussed.
 Tobacco is a fairly labor intensive product, with Perique this is doubly so.
Named for the Frenchman Pierre Chenet who perfected its production (it was
first made by the Choctaw and Chicasaw Indians), Perique is first hung for
eight to fourteen days in a curing barn. When the leaves are wilted and
yellowed, they are stripped from the stalk, formed into small twists and
packed in casks under pressure until they turn black. Over the next nine
months the tobacco is taken out of the cask,loosened, and repacked. It is
cured in its own juice, fermenting, until its ready for sale. We will serve
no Perique before its time.
 Most "English" blends are roughly 80% Virginia, 15% Turkish, and 5% Latikia
or Perique. Anyone who likes to experiment might try the following blend, it
cuts way down on the Virginia and increases the Perique and Latakia (this is
a Nat Sherman blend).

                                25% Virginia
                                20% Burley (no casings)
                                20% Perique
                                20% Latakia
                                15% Smyrna 

This blend is quite good if you smoke English mixtures. For someone trying an
English blend for the first time, it might be a bit too heavy, particularly
around your wife/girlfriend.
 For anyone who likes to collect and/or read books on pipes and tobaccos I
highly recommend the following:

          All About Tobacco by Nat Sherman 
          The Book of Pipes & Tobacco by Carl Ehwa (Random House)
           ISBN 0-394-47000-1

 Ehwa's book has some of the best photos and art work concerning the history
of smoking I have ever seen. 

And now a question: In the late 70's CAO Meerschaum issued pipes of the
"great composers". There were 50 of each composer carved by  Bekler, their
top carver at the time. I have a Beethoven but would like to find some others
of the set or just any information I can about it. Does anyone out there know
anything about these pipes?  I have drawn a blank.
 Well, thanks for listening to me ramble and I appreciate any information
anyone can give me. 

[ I have Ehwa's book, and I agree. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Bio

Does your address mean you work for Siemens? Anyway, hereUs my smoking bio. 

My name is Dave and I smoke cigars (sounds like an intro at an AA
meeting). I smoked my first cigar when I was 15, a fat, cheap El
Producto. It was pre-drilled, of course, but I bit it anyway, leaving
me with a mouthful of dry tobacco. I still loved it. I canUt imagine
what anybody thought when they saw me and my friend, also age 15,
walking around town puffing on those massive stogies.  I smoked my
first decent cigar when I was about 18, a Macanudo Portofino. Now that
IUve found Cigar Aficionado, which has given me a detailed guide to
purchasing and smoking good cigars, I regularly smoke Arturo Fuentes,
Hoyos and Partagas.  The best cigar IUve ever had was a big, fat Oscar
that my brother gave me on my last birthday. They go for about $6 each
and theyUre worth it. Ashtons and Macanudo Hyde Park Cafes are close
seconds. There are some very good shops in CT, like the Tabagerie in
Westport (complete with a bar for smoking) and Chief Catoonahs in
Ridgefield, a very friendly shop with chairs and coffee. Both have
extensive pipe selections, FYI.  So I like cigars, and smoke about one
a week. My wife wonUt let me fire one up in the house, so I usually do
the deed in my car or on my front porch. I hear all these stories
about cigar smokers being harassed on the street, in bars etc. when
they light up, but I think I might have the ultimate anti-cigar
story. I got a major tongue lashing in my office (IUm a journalist)
when I came back from lunch one day after smoking a VERY fragrant 4
1/2 inch long Arturo Fuente that came in a cedar wrapper (these are
great). The art director started yelling about how bad I stink. Then
about four other people gathered their courage, rallied around the
peeved art director and began harassing me. Yeesh.  I still smoke at
lunch. Better to hear it from the ladies at work than the lady at
home, know what I mean? ThatUs about it. If there are any friendly
people out there who would like to donate a box or two of genuine
Cohibas please go right ahead. I like the digest, and I hope to see
more on cigar smoking.  Alt.smokers.cigars is also fun.  Dave Savona
Stamford, CT (IUm new to this net thing, so I donUt have a flashy sign
off pattern)

[ See the MYOB atricle above; maybe you'd like to try that approach;
this week's Snappy Comeback might also be appropriate. But welcome to
a friendlier place! -S. ]

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From: "David Malecki" <?????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

Hi Steve!

This time I'm not asking for anything (surprise ;-)!

I managed to read through the first 25 issues last night.  It was great
reading, like a novel that you can't put down.  There were some topics that
I wish I'd been around for.  Would you mind if I dredged up some old
memories from past issues and posted to the digest?  Things like "how did
you start smoking pipes?" for instance sounds like a few great stories
waiting to happen.  I imagine that for many of us, we didn't just wake up
one morning at age 30 (I'm not even there yet!) and declair, "Today, I am a
pipe smoker".

In general, these back issues are gold for beginners (there's even a few
mentions that would make me think you were one once :o ).  Thanks again for
all the time you've put into the digest.


P.S.  About blowing smoke out your nose, is this something you do all the
time, or just for variety.  I've done this a few times unintentionally, and
found that it wasn't too pleasant.  Do tell.

[ Dredge away, Dave! I do it maybe once or twice a bowl at most. Not
oftener, and never with cigars. Love the draconian effect :-) -S. ]

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From: ????????????????? (Steve Beaty)
Subject: Re: Digest back issues

> Hi, Steve,


> I'll send you the back issues as a uuencoded tar file, split via mime.

	well, i've got a rudimentary page set up, it's in:


	i'll be working on making it better over the next couple of

Steve "When in doubt, logout" Beaty                         ?????????????????
Cray Computer Corporation                     ???????????????????????????????
1110 Bayfield Drive                  http://www.craycos.com/~beaty/steve.html
Colorado Springs, Colorado, 80906       tel (719) 540-4129 fax (719) 540-4028 

[ Mega-kudos! -S. ]

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From: "William H. Magill" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156/157 = WWW & Mosaic

It seems to have vanished in a puff of orange smoke....
Could you perchance re-send it to me.

I note that you apparently asked some question about Mosaic/WWW.
Not knowing what you asked I would only say...

WWW is often used to refer to the HTTP protocol which is used by any fully 
connected machine in the same fashion as telnet or ftp.  You run a web
server on some machine which answers requests to a socket and speaks the
HTTP protocol. 

"The WEB" (or generic usage of www) refers to the collection of WWW servers
"worldwide." Their growth has been truly amazing since NCSA (National
Center for Super Computing Activities) released MOSAIC for the Macintosh
around thanksgiving last year. Prior to that the web had been in existance
for about 3 years, but Mosaic was the fan to the spark.

Mosaic is simply an "interpreter." WWW data can be in many formats -
gif/tif/Jpeg/Mpeg/Mime/ascii and I forget what all else. On most systems it
is rediculous to contemplate one program which could deal with them all.
Especially since these wheels were already invented. All that was necessary
was to mount the existing wheels on a box and viola - a wagon. A truly
elegant and simple concept, and therefore a truly stimulating breaktrhough
event. (Just read upon on the Backbone Traffic stats if you want to see HOW
amazing the growth of WWW has been.)

Mosaic retrieves the data from the WWW server, determines from the HTML
(Hyper Text Markup Language, based upon SGML - standardized generalized
markup language) what the format of the file to be/being retrieved is,
checks that "type" against the list of "helper applications" you have
configured and bingo.... pops up the quicktime viewer to show you the

There are pre-compiled versions of Mosaic available for major platforms
DEC (MIPS and AXP) HP, IBM, SUN, Macintosh and now MS-Windows (althought
the MS-Windows implentation is dependent upon using the NCSA TCP/IP drivers
(it won't work with FTP software, for instance.)
These can be gotten via anonymous ftp from 

That's a "URL" Uniform Resource Locator - used as part of the HTML 
code to point you to "something."

Feel free to visit Penn's server:
        Note that most web servers are called "www.<domain>"

My own home page is:

I've done a good bit with HTML and various HTTP/gopher servers so don't
hesitate to ask any questions you might have.

William H. Magill                         Manager, PennNet Computing Services
Data Communications and Computing Services (DCCS)  University of Pennsylvania
Internet: ?????????????????????                   ???????????????????????????

[ Re-sent, Bill, and thanks for the advice on late 20th century
technology! -S. ]

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		       Today's Snappy Comeback:

"If I do, what will it leave you to whine about?"

				- From "101 Ways to Answer the
				  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
				  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #158 -- September 16, 1994
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994
  3. Subject: Re: alcohol cleaning
  4. Subject: Re: #1(2) Your Pipes Digest s...
  5. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #157 -- September 9, 1994
  6. Subject: Digest #157
  7. Subject: pipes digest
  8. Subject: Digest # 156
  9. Subject: Cigars
  11. Subject: Greetings!
  12. Subject: Cigar events during Leather Week in S.F.
  13. Subject: I'm new to the list
  14. Subject: The Miracle of MYOB
  15. Subject: Saliva build-up
  16. Subject: Indy West side Cigar Club
  17. Subject: PIPE TOBACCO
  18. Subject: Bio
  19. Subject: Pipes Digest
  20. Subject: Re: Digest back issues
  21. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #156/157 = WWW & Mosaic
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