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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #167 - November 23, 1994

		Pipes Digest #167 - November 23, 1994
		     Circulation this issue: 625

Welcome to new members:

	 David Jerome Lathan		(???????????????????????)
	 David C. Evans III		(???????????????????????????)
	 Paul Baumgartel		(???????????????)
	 Michael Borkon			(??????????????????)
	 Dave Green			(???????????????????)
	 Dan Marner			(??????????????????)
	 Sean Crist			(????????????????????)
	 Thomas G. Smith Jr.		(??????????????????????????)
	 Seth Strichartz, M.D.		(?????????????????????????)
	 Rich Guckel			(???????????????)
	 Ryan D. Ebens			(????????????????????????)
	 John Rinaldi			(???????????????)

The battle against prohibition is not over... it's moving to the state
level. Just this morning, I learned that there is a bill in the New
Jersey state legislature that would deny smokers any public place to
assemble peacefully for the legal purpose of enjoying a smoke, in
violation of the First Amendment. Like the OSHA finding, it would
prohibit all smoking in bars, hotels, restaurants, even tobacco
shops. Everywhere but your (detached, single-family) home -- and that
will be next.

If your state legislature is considering some similar smoker-bashing
bill, please write your elected state representative. It is the
owners' right to decide whether their establishments will permit
tobacco, and the patrons' right to decide, as adults, whether to go
there.

Also in the news: Marvin Shanken of Cigar Aficionado schedules a march
on the White House, (in March, of course!) See my article later in
this Digest, and hope to see you there!

But now, let us take our still-legal-for-the-moment smokes in hand and
move on to lighter (!) topics; on this week's venue, we meander
through magazines, magnolias, Menlo Park, Macedonia, and meerschaum...


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             Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
                        Call -- Write -- Vote
                        Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Delphi Mail cutoff

From:	BOS::SERVICE      "Delphi Internet Services" 20-NOV-1994 14:14:16.89
To:	BOS::SBWYMAN
Subj:	RE: MAIL CUTOFF

Thank you for writing;

I see from your usage that you are using Internav to access Delphi.
There is a 250 line maximum that Internav will recognize in email.
If you navigate to mail through the regular menu system you will be
able to view and download the full message. You will not be able to 
use Internav's mail system to view the full message. This problem is 
known and will be addressed in the next update for Internav.

Please let us know if you have other questions.

Debra Peters Desautels
Delphi Online Support

[ Reprinted for the benefit of our Delphi subscribers. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: 1950 CIRCA FAQ

Steve, the following is from a booklet entitled "The American Smoker,"
October 1950, with a photo of actor Charles Coburn lighting a cigar.
The booklet's contents are especially interesting, given the almost
50 years that have passed since it was written. There's a lengthy
article on Green colored wrappers vs brown - Green stated to be harsh -
many photos of ancient pipes in an article on pipe collecting, an article
on a Sioux Indian "peace pipe" carver with photos of his work, and some
ancient "FAQs" that I have copied herein. There is a lengthy article by a 
Chinese gentleman, Lin Yu Tang of Peiping, China, on "A Smoking Philosophy."
When I have time I will transcribe that probably 10 or so page article 
for the newsgroup. I have finally been able to get net access to FTP via
this BBS. Could you give me an address I can FTP such things to that can
be accessed by those interested, since my E-mail buffer capacity is limited
to rather short messages, 1000 characters or bytes, I think.

"STEEL WOOL FILTER: By taking a small amount of steel wool,
rolling it up into a ball (not too tightly), and placing it at the
bottom of the bowl, you will be creating quite simply one of the most
effective filters I've ever encountered. Do not use too large a ball
of steel wool, since I've found that a large one is no more effective
than the pea-sized one I use. And for best results put in a new ball
with each smoke.R.J. Evans, Van Wert, Ohio."

"COOLING BURNING PIPE: Here's a little trick I learned 14 years
ago from a real old-timer which gives you a cooler smoke. Following
every fifth puff on your pipe, blow out one or two puffs. You'll find
your next few puffs somewhat cooler and more enjoyable.
Robert Ormand, Santa Fe New Mexico."

"REMOVING BROKEN STEMS: Should a stem break while in the shank
of a pipe, insert an ordinary wood screw. With pliars, (sic) execute a slow
twist to the right while simultaneously pulling straight back. A 
straight pull is best to avoid cracking the shank. Should this fail
and it appear that the stem is too tightly wedged, place the whole unit
in the refrigerator freezer for a few hours. Enough contraction
occasioned by cold, will suffice in nearly all cases to make removal
of the broken stem possible.   Miles Minton, Los Angeles, Calif."

"NEW BREAKING IN METHOD: Mix a paste of one teaspoon of 
powdered charcoal with three-quarters of a teaspoon of any type syrup.
Spread a thin coating in your new briar bowl, allow to dry, and then
light up. You'll find that it'll smoke like a well broken-in pipe. The
paste almost immediately provides a protective carbon caking."
Ronald Meyer, University City, St. Louis, Mo."

"PORTABLE PIPE RACK: By inserting a pipe cleaner into the bit
of a pipe and hooking the bent other end over a horizontal rod, wire,
or string, you have a neat portable pipe rack. the pipe hangs bowl down
very nicely.L.J. Christenson, Minneapolis."

"HOMEMADE PIPE SWEETENER: For the best homemade pipe sweetener
I've ever come across, mix and apply this solution to your pipe. 1 oz.
Karo white syrup, 1 oz. hot (not boiling) water, 1/4 oz. Burnett's
Black Walnut or Rum extract. Swab bowl and shank and run a saturated
cleaner through the pipe.   J. Heller, New Kensington, Pa."

"KEY RING PIPE CLEANER: Always forgetting your cleaner? Well,
you can carry one around with you at all times on your key ring by 
twisting a 5-inch piece of iron wire and hooking it onto your key ring.
These wires do an all-around job and are easily replaceable when they 
become too dirty, bent or worn.Thad Ryan, Evanston, Ill."

(Reprinted from the October 1950 issue of The American Smoker
formerly Pipe Lovers Magazine, Great Neck, N.Y.)

Submitted by ????????????????????????
11/18/94

[ Thanks for the FAQ, Ray! One of these days, I'll cop some back
issues of Pipe Lovers; if any ever come up for sale. :-) -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Sherlock Holmes Pipe Collectors Club

Dear Mr. Braun,

Saw the posting in the Pipes Mailgroup.

Please join us for the next meeting which will be on December 14, 1994 a
Wednesday.  We meet at the Holiday Inn in Mansfield located off rte 140.
(Drive down 95 from Boston, get off at 140 to Mansfield.  Travel on 140 to
second light and take right into Forbes Industrial park.  Holiday Inn is well
marked and at end of Forbes Road.)  The meeting starts at 6:00PM, we order
seperately off the menu at around 7:00PM, eat at 8:00PM, gab and swap stories,
tobacco and pipes until 10.  Casual dress, about 15 of us in a private room,
everyone brings pipes to show off, either recent acquisitions or treasured
favorites.  The group includes a retiring security guard, a college librarian,
a computer whiz, a state worker, insurance agent, machinist, tobaconist, and
all are fun people joined by a fondness for pipes, tobacco and a willingness
to share their stories with others.  Many of the members have collections
exceeding 300 pipes, for which they can recite the date bought, how much paid,
who made it, the weather the day it was made and the location of the briar
when it was harvested. :-{).

Dues are $2.00 per meeting.  Each meeting has a theme this coming one being
Meerchaums so bring yours to show, admire, swap or sell.

EMail back f you want more info.

Steve Wyman

[ Thanks, Steve, and again thanks for the Escudo! I've taken the
liberty of including your address in the Guide as the contact for the
SHPC. -S. ]


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From: ????????????????? (DoctorRay)
Newsgroups: alt.smokers.pipes
Subject: Re: "Rabbit tobacco" and other smokeable plants (was: Youngest PS)

Coffee actually works pretty well as a tobacco substitute (grind whole
beans, but leave them MUCH coarser than you would to make the beverage).

_The Pipe_ by Georges Herment (1957) lists the following tobacco
substitutes:
Magnolia flowers, clover blossoms, lavener petals, rose petals, walnut
leaves, chestnut leaves, birch leaves, pear leaves, cherry leaves, fig
leaves (also suitable for wearing :)), rose leaves, tomato leaves,
artichoke leaves, sage, verbena, wormwood, burdock, and borage (among
others).
For all of these, remove all stems. Soak for 24 hours in water containing
a pinch of carbonate of potash.  Then let dry slowly in a dark place.
    He highly recommends coltsfoot, and describes the preparation for
smoking:
Remove veins from leaves.  Soak for two days in salt water. Cut up and
replace in salt water for two more days. Dry in the sun.
  During the German Occupation of France, French smokers reportedly used
coltsfoot almost exclusively.
  Of course, they smoke tobacco now, which should tell you something.
-Ray [:-?    
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[ Keep this handy, just in case the antis win... -S. ]


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From: Dana Steeves <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #166 - November 18, 1994

Hi Steve

I always look forward to receiving the digest at the end of the week and 
find  some very interesting  information. I read an article by one of our 
briar brothers on Brigham pipes which tend to be my  favourite and here 
is a lilttle update of information that might be helpful and might want 
to add to your resource guide. The Brigham pipes start at Approx. $42.95 
to  the President series of $149.95 and up all in Canadian funds. They 
also  make what they call an unfinished bowl which are of same high 
quality  but bowls are not polished and in time turn a nice color.
Brigham is also famous for their maple wood filter system which clears 
alot of moisture and impurites from the smoke. They do have a catalogue 
and repair service turn around service usually 48 hours from the time 
they receive your pipe. They repair all makes. Brigham also carries a 
line  of tobacco that I'm not to familiar with pipe cleaners, liquid cleaner
etc. They do a great mail order business which I have used several times 
and  reamend them highly. The address is as follows:
Brigham Pipes Limited
25 Ripley Ave.
Toronto, Ontario
M6S 3P2
Canada
PH.416-762-7278
Fax. 416-762-7270
I hope this might be of some help if you want to try a different kind of 
pipe I know that you will be well pleased.
Steve  keep you the good work always look forward to the digest.

Your Briar Brother

Dana

[ Thanks for the Guide addition, Dana! -S. ]


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From: "A.W. Donovan-Shead" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Smoke Signal #8

Smoke Signal #8
November 18, 1994
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My commerce with cyberspace and the Internet is limited to Pipes
Digest and one or two forums on CompuServe, so judging from the
several comments in Pipes Digest #165 the Internet sounds as though
it is populated with an irascible crowd of yahoos. I never expected
the Digest to be anything other than civilized. We live in a world
of intolerant people of which the Honorable Company of Pipe and
Cigar smokers is a small reservoir of decorum and civilization.
Long may we persist and may we lead others by our example towards
more harmonious existence.

To the Gentleman preparing to essay the merits of a clay pipe: Do
so gently. Rotate it with your briars, slowly increasing your
frequency of use.

Latakia is heady tobacco, probably responsible for the dizzy spell
reported in #165. I too have had such an experience, which is why
most of my pipes have small bowls; I like the flavour and aroma of
Oriental leaf, but don't have the head for too much of it. As I was
warming up this contribution to the Conversation I was assisted by
a large plug of Trollshaws Flake in a pipe of Charatan's Own Make,
altogether less of a supercharge.

When Carl Ehwa, Junior, wrote his "The Book of Pipes and Tobacco"
in 1974, he resided in Kansas City, Missouri. His book he dedicated
to his grandfather Doctor W. C. McClelland. Agricultural &
Mechanical Gazette carried an advertisement for Ringlow Syrian
Reserve tobacco. Kathy Levin, the widow of Barry Levin, sells a
Personal Reserve Series of pipe tobaccos from her address in Aptos,
California. Her voice came through the telephone sweetly, her
handwriting on her bill of sale was elegant, and the Ringlow Syrian
Reserve tobacco was excellent. With this Ringlow mixture, Kathy
included the Levin Pipe's catalogue for their Personal Reserve
Series of tobaccos, made for them by the McClelland Tobacco
Company. I ordered a tin of their Klenderwood Matured Oriental
Mixture and their Matured Virginia Sampler, Matured Oriental
Sampler, and Fragrant Matured Virginia Blends Sampler. When they
arrived, I noted on the tin of Klenderwood mixture that the
McClelland Tobacco Company is located in Kansas City, Missouri. It
is from this sequence that I deduce Ehwa as being related to 
McClelland Tobacco and as knowing a thing or two about pipes. Of
these tobaccos, I have enjoyed the British Woods and Trollshaws
Flake most. We can talk about McClelland tobacco later, let us
examine Ehwa's book first.

A good coffee table book with plenty of colour plates, line
drawings, and monochrome pictures; sadly, this book is out of
print. It is well balanced between the history of smoking, tobacco,
and the pipe, divided into four parts:

     1.   The Remarkable Evolution of Smoking.
          Despite royal opposition and drastic punishments, smoking
          spread rapidly.

     2.   The Amiable Pipe.
          The beauty and variety of clay, porcelain, softwood,
          hookah, meerschaum, calabash, and briar.

     3.   Tobacco: "The Special Herb".
          The leaf is carefully nurtured, cured, processed, and
          blended.

     4.   Pleasures of the Pipe.
          The art of getting the most from tobacco and pipe.

My copy I borrowed from the library. If you find a used copy for
sale, buy it for I think this to be about the best book I have seen
for a good all round text on the subject. It is frustrating to hear
of a good book only to be denied a copy, but all is not lost if I
bring before you the salient points on tobacco and pipe.

Of tobacco, Ehwa says that: "Oriental tobaccos are present in most
well-conceived luxury mixtures. While the experienced pipe smoker
knows them well for the subtle flavor and aroma they impart, he [or
she] has little or no knowledge of their origin."

"Oriental tobaccos are grown in the picturesque area surrounding
northwestern Mediterranean, the Aegean, and most of the Black Sea.
All these tobaccos became known as 'Turkish' during the Ottoman
Empire (1300-1918). Oriental tobaccos differ considerably from all
other types -- in chemical composition and in plant and leaf size
-- and have a subtle, yet rich, natural taste and aroma when
properly cured. Their flavor and aroma are reminiscent of delicate
spices and herbs."

"Major names of Oriental tobaccos, such as Xanthi and Samsun,
generally represent districts, not unlike the nomenclature of
French wines. Oriental tobaccos vary in flavor, color, and aroma
from district to district, as do the tobaccos of the flue-cured
growing belts of the United States."

"There are two basic classifications: Orientals and semi-Orientals.
While the semi-Orientals possess similarities to the Oriental
tobaccos in taste, they are heavier in body and not so fragrant.
Semi-Orientals are grown in areas bordering Oriental growing
regions. They are not very important in world trade."

"Most authorities consider true Orientals to be produced in Thrace
and Macedonia, which are now in the northeastern portion of Greece;
peninsular Greece; southern Bulgaria and Yugoslavia; some of the
Aegean islands; the western end of Turkey, centured [sic] around
Izmir; northern Turkey, bordering the Black Sea; Anatolia, the
northeastern portion of Turkey across the Bosphorus; the southern
portion of the Black Sea, principally in the Crimea; and Cyprus."

"The most important regions that supply English and American
manufacturers are Thrace, Macedonia, north-central Turkey, extreme
western Turkey, and Cyprus. Each area's produce has its
distinguishing marks."

"Western Turkey -- Here the famous Smyrna tobacco is grown in the
vicinity of Izmir. It is the most aromatic and full-bodied Oriental
tobacco, but it is rather dark in color and has a tendency to burn
poorly."

"Cyprus -- This island also grows the Smyrna type. The Cypriots
either sell the tobacco in the standard yellow Oriental form or
they fumigate it to make Latakia."

"North-Central Turkey -- Samsun-Bafra tobacco is grown in the
vicinity of these two cities -- a very delicate, lightly colored
tobacco, and the most light-bodied of all Orientals."

"Thrace -- Around the city of Xanthi is grown the very famous
Xanthian leaf, deemed by some to be the finest Oriental tobacco. It
is very light-bodied. The area also produces Yenidje, a somewhat
more full-bodied tobacco."

"Macedonia -- The tobacco-growing industry centers around the
cities of Kavalla, Drama, Salonika, and Katerini, and grows a
medium-bodied type."

"Latakia and Perique, along with light Oriental types, are grouped
as condiment, or flavoring, tobaccos. Latakia probably has the
richest and most pungent aroma of all natural tobaccos used in
blending. Latakia gets its name from the Syrian port of Al
Ladhiqiyah."

"Perique is unique to the St. James Parish of Louisiana. In the
1750s, a French colonist, Pierre Chemot, observed Choctaw and
Chickasaw Indians of Louisiana pressing local tobaccos in hollowed-
out logs. The pressure caused the tobaccos to release their natural
juices and the Indians allowed the leaf to steep in this juice.
Chemot perfected this type of processing and developed the fragrant
tobacco to which he gave his nickname, Perique."

"Today only about twenty growers produce on the average 150,000
pounds of this leaf a year. The seedlings, sown in December and
January, are transplanted in March to the fields. Perique is then
handled much like Burley, except that each Perique plant is topped
to mature only eight to ten leaves. In July, the ripe plants are
stalk-harvested and hung in a curing shed for about fourteen days
until uniformly brown. The tobacco is stemmed and stripped from the
stalk, put into one-pound bundles, and placed in oak barrels and
pressed. After two weeks under heavy pressure, the tobacco is
removed, aired, and cooled, then repacked and repressed. This
procedure is repeated twice. Manufacturers continue processing it
for about ten months. The pressure causes the tobacco to turn
brownish black or black. About eighteen months after planting,
Perique is ready to be aged."

Ehwa defines some terms he uses to describe pipe tobaccos. "_Aroma_
refers to the fragrance of the tobacco, in the can and as it is
being smoked. Unless the smoker has considerable experience with
all types of tobacco and is able to judge what type of leaf has
been used, the aroma when the can is opened is, in most cases, no
more than a gentle advertisement which sometimes proves to be
false. A smoker cannot adequately judge the aroma of a tobacco as
he smokes -- it can only be measured by the comments he receives."

I have heard it said that one aspect of a tobacco can be judged by
smoking a pipe full in a closed room. After smoking the tobacco
leave the room, closing the door behind you. Return in an hour and
smell the room. If the residuals still smell good then the tobacco
is worth pursuing in your pipe.

Ehwa says that: "_Flavor_ refers to the basic taste of the tobacco.
This can be measured in three ways: First, the type or nature of
the flavor, such as 'fruity,' 'nutlike,' 'spicy,' 'natural,' or
'Oriental.' Second, the intensity of the flavor or richness can be
measured by using the terms 'mild' (which refers to tobacco that is
light in flavor), 'medium,' and 'full' (referring to a tobacco with
a great deal of flavor). Third, the flavor of tobacco can be
analyzed with regard to its sweetness. 'Naturally sweet' refers to
a tobacco with the rather subtle sweetness one gets from some
natural leaf to which flavoring has not been added. Then there are 
'lightly sweet,' 'sweet,' and 'very sweet.' These graduated
measurements apply to flavored or aromatic tobaccos."

"_Body_ refers to the feeling one gets from the tobacco as it is
smoked. The fact that a tobacco has an intense flavor does not
necessarily mean it will be full-bodied. For example, very mild,
lightly flavored Burley tobaccos tend to be more full-bodied --
that is, have a more aggressive effect on the palate -- than some
full-flavored types of leaf. Body, then, is directly related to the
strength or depth of the character of tobacco rather than to its
taste."

"Light-bodied tobaccos are gentle; medium-bodied are robust but not
strong; full-bodied are hearty. 'Strong' tobaccos can be classified
as 'gutsy'; there is no delicacy in tobaccos labelled strong."

"_Smoothness_ is the result of a fine balance between the flavor
and the body of a tobacco. When a mixture tastes good, is not
overpowering, and is not harsh in any way, it is smooth. Smoothness
is so subject to individual taste it cannot be classified by
degrees."

Ehwa devised a five-class classification system for tobaccos on the
American and European markets. "The five classifications of tobacco
-- American, English, Scottish, Irish, Dutch, and Danish -- are
named for countries. Over the years each nation cited has produced
its own distinctive tobaccos for pipe smokers. Recently [1974],
however, because of the expanding market, various countries have
begun to produce a wider range of types, so that they now overlap
one another."

"Within the group of English-Scottish tobaccos lie virtually all
the mixtures and straight tobaccos that have been held in the
highest esteem by connoisseurs for decades. . . . English-Scottish
straight tobaccos, which are also classified as 'Matured
Virginias,' are made with very few exceptions from high-grade
Virginia. . . . The excellence of Matured Virginias is dependent
upon the basic richness and other fine properties of choice leaf.
Virginia contains the highest quantity of natural sugar of any
tobacco. . . . A fine Matured Virginia is somewhat analogous to an
excellent Cognac. It possesses an alluring initial aroma that is
neither light nor heavy and, although it is not so penetrating as
the aroma of Cognac, it is similar in that both products remind one
of a subtle mixture of rare fruit and spices in which no single
ingredient overpowers another. . . . English-Scottish blends
probably are the most noble of all mixtures made for the pipe. No
flavoring agents or heavy casings are used in their manufacture.
Their aroma, flavor, and softness are derived from the use of the
choicest leaf blended and seasoned skillfully by craftsmen. The
knowledgeable smoker generally favors these fine tobaccos. When
choice, unflavored Virginias, Orientals, and dark condiment
tobaccos are blended and matured, the result is a product that
offers distinct flavor characteristics, smoothness, and an
exceptionally light body. . . . English-Scottish mixtures generally
are marketed under the classifications mild, medium, and full. The
mild mixture has a light, or mild, flavor intensity and is light in
body; it has a tendency, however, to be slightly sharp. The medium
mixture is usually well-balanced. It is not so piquant as the mild
mixture, having a medium flavor intensity and a slightly fuller
body. The full mixture is intense in flavor and aroma owing to the
presence of greater quantities of dark condiment tobaccos. Smokers
tend to believe a full mixture is harshest, but the reverse is
true. Full English-Scottish mixtures are usually the smoothest."

Ehwa recommends the English-Scottish tobaccos to any smoker, ". .as
one can find a variation to suit his taste at any time of day. The
most expensive tobaccos are found in this group yet they are well
worth the price. These high-quality tobaccos contain no harsh
flavorings and are low in moisture content. Two ounces of an
English-Scottish mixture generally will go further than two ounces
of another type. Also, because of the natural richness of English-
Scottish blends, it usually takes fewer bowls to satisfy."

We will take a break here. In my next puff I will quote from Ehwa's
chapter "Pleasures of the Pipe" and consider his advice: for "The
New Pipe Smoker", on "Filling and Lighting the Pipe", on "Care of
the Pipe", and look at "Some Problems and Solutions."

Andrew
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[ As always, your excerpts are appreciated, Andrew! Looking forward to
the next. -S. ]


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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #166 - November 18, 1994

I take exception to the idea that meerschaum pipes are "superior" to briar. 
A good meerschaum may be superior to a cheap briar, certainly. You can't get 
a good briar for $20-30. You can get a first-class briar from J.T. & Deb 
Cooke for $150.00 A good Upshall, Dunhill, Ashton, Castello, etc. will cost 
far more.

I'm a briar person. Some folks are meerschaum people, some like both. I just 
can't get interested in meerschaum. To me, the taste lacks character, and, 
since I'm a sandblast freak, meerschaum pipes, carved or smooth, just don't 
look interesting. I bought a meerschaum out of a sense of obligation and 
fairplay about a year ago--a pretty good one, I think--but I just don't 
smoke it.

-Stephen Slottow


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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #166 - November 18, 1994

A quick plug. I've lived in Urbana, Illinois, Rochester NY, Louisville, and 
now in New York City, but I've never come across a pipe store to match Jon's 
Pipe Shop in Urbana (even with the fine NYC stores). I got my first pipe 
there in 1965--a Saseini 4-dot Victoria dublin. The store is still going 
strong, and has a first-rate collection of Dunhills, Ser Jacopos, Petersons, 
ect., ect It also has a whole cabinet of second-hand pipes, ranked by 
quality and price. The man who runs it, Patrick, is a tall rakish 
Irish-American, very lively, helpful, and knowledgeable. He's a state cop, 
and since his income is not dependent on the store, he is less susceptible 
to the ebbs and flows of pipe/cigar sales. His mother runs the store when 
he's out being a policeman, and she's quite a charter, and knows all the 
customers by name. It's the best pipe store I've ever been to.

-Stephen Slottow

[ Heard many things about Jon's, and I'm sorry I didn't visit a few
years ago when I had the chance. -S. ]


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From: ??????????????????????
Subject: Re: "Rabbit tobacco" and other smokeable plants (was: Youngest PS)

Actually tea is a pretty decent smoke for hand rolled cigarettes.
Really neat caffeine experience.
-- 
"Fight for your limitations and they shall be yours" 
>From _Illusions:_Adventures_of_a_Reluctant_Messiah_
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http://www2.ncsu.edu/eos/users/c/cddukes/mosaic


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From: "Thomas A. Hendricks" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: Youth...Sincerity...

Steve,
      I thought I would share this incident with fellow PDers...

As some of you know by now, I had a letter published in the most recent
issue of Cigar Aficionado.  Looking through my back issues (btw I'm missing
# 4 and # 6 can anyone help me find them?) I noticed that mine was the only
letter to include a full address.  I did not know what sort of impact the
inclusion of my address would have.
Late Saturday night, I was visiting a friend I had not seen for months.  I
received a phone call from a man who said he was from Atlanta, Georgia.  He
introduced himself and told me he was a 35-year-old information systems
analyst and he had a 13-year-old nephew who read my letter, in which I
stated that I began smoking cigars at the age of 13.  This man, who I will
call "Jeff" (I cannot remember his name!) asked me if it was all right for
his nephew Patrick to write me a letter.
    It seems that over the summer, Jeff caught Patrick, who was then 12,
smoking a maduro Hoyo Excalibur #1.  Jeff said that Patrick looked as if he
had been doing this for years, not like some kid sneaking off behind the
garage for the first time with one of his grandfather's White Owls <g>
Jeff also told me that he began smoking cigars at age 11 using his paper
route money to buy a box of cigars once a month.  He didn't want to hide it
from his parents any more, so, one evening, at age 16, he took a Hoyo de
Monterrey Sultan out of his sock and lit up right after dinner, totally
shocking and upsetting his parents, both avid cigarette smokers.  He said he
used to receive the most unusual stares from people and felt like an
outcast because he appeared to be even younger than he was at the time.

We talked for over two hours on the phone (I won't tell any more of his
stories--I'll let him tell them when he joins the Digest group)

Jeff's main concern, though, was for Patrick, who, at age 13, enjoys 3-4
cigars a day (double coronas--esp La Gloria Cubana Charlemagnes) as well as
a pipeful or two of various English blends (I'm told that he immediately
developed a taste for Balkan Sobranie)

Patrick would very much like to meet other pipe and cigar smokers, but Jeff
feels that Patrick is afraid he will not be taken seriously.  I suggested
that Patrick start by joining the Digest group.  I know that several of us
were only his age when we started (or at least had a curiosity :-{)>  )
I am simply wondering if he can expect the same level of cameraderie the
rest of us feel.
I, for one, would like to think he can!

[Steve, do you think this subject is too sensitive to be discussed here?
Please let me know how you think this should be handled.  Jeff's description
of Patrick was that of a youthful, yet extremely mature 13-year-old with a
sincere passion for pipes and fine cigars.]

         Thank you everyone for taking the time to consider this request

[btw, this is *not* the story I promised last week, I just thought it was
much more interesting than the story I was going to send in...that can wait,
though...]

[ Patrick is welcome to join us here, Thomas, and I hope our other
members will join me in welcoming him. If he's concerned, I'll
withhold his email address (or that of any other member). But I don't
think he'll have any problems. BTW, great letter in CA, and
congratulations on the print! -S. ]


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From: ????????????????? (MarkH)
Subject: Anyone interested in forming pipe/cigar group in Menlo Park??

As people who read this letter or group (posted in both places) might know,
there is a new pipe/cigar store in Menlo Park. Knickerbockers is somewhat
unique, since it is owned by and part of the British Bankers Club (BBC). In
fact, when I visited the pipe store was stocked with port and sherry - you
could purchase a cigar, a glass of port, and sit in an easy chair and smoke
your port and drink your cigar, approximately. More to the point, the
fellow in the pipe store stated that smoking in the bar was "ok". I did'nt
really test this out, and don't know what the legalities are.

What I was thinking about was the posting about the pipe club that meets in
Schmidt's in the East Bay (copied below). How much interest is there in a
similar (very informal) event at Knickerbockers/BBC, in the South
Bay/Penninsula area. I have no idea if the owner of both has any interest,
or if the law will allow this (I believe that Schmidts may be a special
case, since they sell tobacco and may be classed as a tobacco store - at
least they did the last time I was in there, which was several years ago).,
but it seemed an interesting idea - at least to me. The combination of
bar/pipe store seems like a perfect arrangement for this.

Just an idea. Any comments??

MarkH

========= Original motivating post is copied below =======

From: ?????????????? (Gregory Pease)
Newsgroups: alt.smokers.pipes
Subject: Pipe club meeting...

I know it might be a bit far for *some* of you, but...

The monthly meeting of the Greater (San Francisco) Bay Area Pipe Club
will be meeting next Sunday at 2pm.  Show up, and you're a member!  We
meet on the third Sunday of each month at Schmidt's Pub, 142 Solano
Avenue, Albany CA.  A good time rarely so inexpensive.  Lots of tobacco
and pipe lore, trading is often fast and furious, much gorgeous briar to
see and touch, and fine cameraderie to boot!  (Add to that the decent
selection of micro-brewery beers, plus a few tasty draughts from England,
and you've got a nice way to spend an afternoon! ;)

So, if you're planning a soujourn to California (or you just happen to
live nearby...) come on by!  I know at least one other net fellow will be
there!

Cheers,
Gregory
--
| Gregory Pease         |
| ??????????????        |
| 510/234-2830          |

[ Sounds good, Gregory! Even though California is a hardship state for
smokers, I wish I could go. -S. ]

===============================================================================

Mark Helfen   ?????????????????

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Pipe Stems

The best way to get rid of that ugly brown oxidation on fine vulcanite stems
is as follows:

Prior to this method please note the following: If your pipe stem has any
logo with paint stamped into the bit, cover the stamp with a little vaseline
or Chapstick type of wax. This will protect the stamp. Then soak your stems
in undiluted household bleach for about an hour or so. They will bubble a
little bit, but that's O.K. After they have soaked, remove them and rinse
extremely well with lots of pipe cleaners. Them buff the stem with a good
polish, I use a metal polish found in motorcycle shops called Simichrome.
Comes in a yellow and red box or tube. Your stem will have that brand new
deep black gloss you've missed.

NOTE: I have found on older vulcanite (like pipes from the 50's) this
treatment will roughen and slightly pit the surface. This is O.K., but you
have to be prepared to spend a lot more time in polishing the stem. Out of my
50 some odd pipes this happened to only two of them. But nothing a buffing
whell couldn't handle. 

FYI: If you can't find a tobacconist that has a buffing wheel, it might be
worth the investment of a Dremel Hand Tool. This little drill like appliance
for hobbyists has several attachments, one of them being a small cloth wheel
to which polish can be applied.

Steve Banks

[ A small bench grinder will work better and cost less than a Dremel.
I think Delta's goes for about $50. -S. ] 


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From: Dan Marner <??????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

   Please sign me up for the Pipes Digest! Looks like a great bunch of
folks; I can't wait to join in. I just read (or at least skimmed) all
the issues via the WWW page, and I feel like I have known you since
1989!
   A quick question, if you will. Feel free to toss this into the
digest if it suits you. Do you know if the Hacker book is still in print?
The local bookstores don't carry it and aren't sure that they can order
it.  Thanks and happy smoking,       Dan
-- 
Dan Marner                             ??????????????????
Network Weasel                         Finger for PGP 2.6 key including the
National University                    words "GMAAAEEAK", "god" and "JAAUR"

[ I saw it in an ad for something else in the latest issue of CA, so
it probably can still be obtained. From Hacker himself, if nowhere
else. -S. ]


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Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars,alt.smokers.pipes
Subject: Washington Smoke-In

Did anyone else catch Marvin Shanken's editorial in the last (Winter
94/95) CA? He's organizing a smoke-in March 1 on the White House lawn
in support of the right to enjoy tobacco in public places whose owners
permit it, including restaurants and bars.

Bill Clinton is invited. (Anyone want to give odds on his showing up? :-) 

I'll be there if at all possible. Anyone else from here going?

Also in the same issue, someone asked whether CA had an email address.
(The answer was, "No, but we're thinking about it. I'd written Mr.
Shanken some time ago to let him know about the Pipes Digest and the
newsgroups; no response, but hey, he's busy.)

Also two new book announcements: cigar rating guide (already discussed
here) and a list of cigar-friendly restaurants.

CA just keeps getting better. Can't wait to read the whole issue.

                                Smoke in peace,

                                (__(@)______||| Steve.

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Pipe Clip Art

I have been trying, as yet unsuccessfully, to find pipe computer graphics.
I'm interested in anything you can offer: full-color, clip art, whatever, of
any format. If any of the AOL members has availability to such a thing I
would appreciate being sent a copy via E-mail or being told where to find it.
I've looked on AOL.The only graphics devoted to smoking seem to be graphics
devoted to "No Smoking!".

Thanks,
Christopher D. Walborn

[ I've been wondering if someone has a list of pipe logos in
postscript or GIF form that we could put up on the Web and FTP
sites... Please let me know if you have a contribution to make. -S. ] 


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From: ??????????????????? (Mark Korchinski)
Subject: Re: Washington Smoke-In

Lucky dog. We up here in the Land of Ice and Snow have not yet had the 
dog teams arrive with the bundles of CA's and our winter's supply of 
beef jerky. But then, I can buy a Cuban cigar here and you can't. Seems 
like a fair exchange.

Good luck on the smoke-in. I wonder if he will be able to pull in any 
big names like Swartzenegger.

73,
Mark VA3ZU/VE5ZU

[ My guess is he'll get every celebrity he can, and he can pull
plenty. -S. ]


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From: Ebens Ryan Daniel <????????????????????????>
Subject: Cigars

        Dear Steve,

Hi.  My name is Ryan Ebens.  I talked to Tom Hendricks on the phone
tonight, andhe gave me your address.  I am interested in getting into
your club on e-mail for cigars.  First, I'll tell you a little about
myself.  I'm 19 years old and am a sophomore at the University of
Illinois.  I'm not sure right now what my major is, but I am thinking
about majoring in astronomy or maybe even physics.  I have been
smoking cigars since about the age 15.  At first, I smoked the
cheapmachine-made cigars like Swisher Sweet Perfectos or El Productos.
But after I smoked those for a few years, I tried some Macanudos, and
never went back.  I smoked Macanudos for about a year, but then I got
tired of their mild taste, so I moved on to bigger and better cigars.
I now enjoy Hoyo De Monterrey ExcaliburNo. 1, Partagas No. 10, Arturo
Fuente Hemingway Masterpiece, Ashton No. 60 maduro, and Punch
Rothschild.  These are the best ones I smoke now.  But I also like
good cigars like the Henry Clay Brevas, or even any Te-Amo that's
large.  The experiences I have with cigars just keep getting better.
I no longer like mild cigars, like Dunhills, but I will enjoy a
Macanudo Vintage No. 1 if I can find one.  Even though they're mild,
they are an excellent cigar.  I think I might have one tomorrow,
actually, since they just got them in at the local shopwhich I'm sure
you've heard of, Jon's Pipe Shop.  Tom also told me that they just got
some La Gloria Cubanas in, so I think that I'll have to get some of
those, too.  I saw Tom's article in Cigar Aficionado, which I have a
three-year subscription to.  The reason I wrote to him is because I
wanted some informationon forming a cigar club, because I would like
to get one started here at U of I.He gave me a lot of useful
information, like the catalogs called Famous and JR, which I will call
to get subscriptions to.  Before now, I didn't even know that these
things existed.  Also, he gave me your e-mail address, and also how to
subscribe to the cigar thing on internet.  I haven't even used it
before, even though I have had it for two years.  I wish I'd have
known about it before now, but Tom tells me it's alright because I'm
only a sophomore.  He wishes he'd have started his club befor now,
since he's a senior.  So I'd appreciate it if you wrote back and told
me about this club you have, and whether or not I could get in on it.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Ryan D. Ebens

[ Welcome, Ryan! Tom's letter, which I just read last night, certainly
seems to have generated a lot of interest! -S. ]


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From: ?????????????????????????? (Jeremy Martinson)
Newsgroups: alt.smokers.pipes
Subject: Rejoice! New pipe store opens in Oxford

After the dreadful news of the closure of Savory's, Oxford's only specialist 
pipe shop earlier this year, I can now report that the manager has opened a 
new store in a different location. It's called Avery's (geddit?) and is at 37 
High Street (across the road from University College, next door to Queen's 
College). Apparently, Peter Cross, the manager of Savory's, was made redundant 
when the owner went bust (owing 2.5 million pounds!) but has now rented this 
new shop on a long lease. He and his wife are running it between them. 

They have a pretty extensive range of tins and pouches of tobacco, and they've 
now started stocking loose tobacco as well. I bought 25 grams (bloody 
metrication) of an English blend today but, idiot that I am, I forgot to note 
the name. I'm sure I'll be back for more though. The range of pipes is pretty 
good too, mainly towards the medium-low and of the price range, but with a few 
premium ones as well. There is even now a dinky little walk-in humidor the 
size of a telephone box. So now there's yet another reason to come and visit 
Oxford, should any more be needed.

Oh, while I was in there I picked up a copy of the 1994 Pipesmokers Welcome 
guide to the UK. It contains a listing of specialist tobacconists and pipe 
shops in Britain: if anyone's interested I'll type it in and upload it. It may 
take me a while though, it's not a short list.

Jeremy

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(The Diner's Club:) "Put out that food. I'm trying to smoke."

                                - From "101 Ways to Answer the
                                  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
                                  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,
                                  1987. 

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #167 - November 23, 1994
  2. Subject: Delphi Mail cutoff
  3. Subject: 1950 CIRCA FAQ
  4. Subject: Sherlock Holmes Pipe Collectors Club
  5. Subject: Re: "Rabbit tobacco" and other smokeable plants (was: Youngest PS)
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #166 - November 18, 1994
  7. Subject: Smoke Signal #8
  8. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #166 - November 18, 1994
  9. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #166 - November 18, 1994
  10. Subject: Re: "Rabbit tobacco" and other smokeable plants (was: Youngest PS)
  11. Subject: Youth...Sincerity...
  12. Subject: Anyone interested in forming pipe/cigar group in Menlo Park??
  13. Subject: Pipe club meeting...
  14. Subject: Pipe Stems
  15. Subject: Pipes Digest
  16. Subject: Washington Smoke-In
  17. Subject: Pipe Clip Art
  18. Subject: Re: Washington Smoke-In
  19. Subject: Cigars
  20. Subject: Rejoice! New pipe store opens in Oxford
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