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Subject: Pipes Digest #174 -- January 22, 1995

		Pipes Digest #174 -- January 22, 1995
		     Circulation This Issue: 798

Welcome to new members:

	 Gary R. Graham		(????????????????????)
	 Rex			(??????????????????)
	 Matthew Leingang	(mpl3midway.uchicago.edu)
	 Gary Grimm		(???????????????????)
	 Stephen Geller		(??????????????)
	 Jean-Pierre Merlet	(??????????????????????????????????)
	 Brian Donohue		(????????????????)
	 Brian Tarleton		(???????????????????????????)
	 Ken			(????????????????????)
	 Jeremy Lakey		(????????????????)
	 Sheldon Richman	(???????????????????????)
	 Paul J. Ste. Marie	(???????????????????)
	 Jesse Micek		(??????????????)
	 Hank Tyler		(?????????????????????????)
	 Bill Walsh		(???????????????)
	 ???			(??????????????????????)
	 Louis W. Hammond	(??????????????)
	 Alan Karp		(???????????????)
	 Rik Bourne		(????????????????????????)
	 J.B. Lattimore		(?????????????)
	 Henri de Perignon	(??????????????????)
	 Dr. John Weinstein, NSS (????????????????????????????)
	 ???			(??????????????????)
	 Natasha Bykova		(?????????????????????????????)
	 Kent R. Hanson		(???????????????)
	 Peter Berger		(?????????????????)
	 Lance B. Crawford	(???????????????)
	 Michael D. Sullivan	(????????????????????)
	 Mitchell Rubin		(??????????????)
	 Tommy J. Petros	(?????????????????????????)
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	 Gary Walseth		(?????????????????????)
	 Jeff Fox		(???????????????)
	 Scott Wirth		(??????????????)

Administrativa: Hadden Hoppert (????????????????????????) has set up a
Web cigar page on:


It should be fully operational by now. We also have news of another
Cigar Homepage, set up by Joseph M. Johnston (??????????????????????????):


Web 'em if you got 'em!

We also note that Bill Sempf (????????????????????????????????) is
organizing a smokers' club in Columbus, OH. See his message in this
Digest for details, and contact him if you're interested in joining.

Steve Beaty (?????????????????) notes that he's made some welcome
improvements to the Digest Web page (but that it's down until early
this week.)  Stay tuned...

And join us now as we discuss Gouda, ceramics, Latin conjugation,
nuclear weapons, martial arts, motorcycles, horses, and poetry...

			Fuma in pace,
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                        Call -- Write -- Vote
                        Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ?????????????? (Jeff Skaletsky)
Subject: Wanted: info on So Cal/AZ/NV cigar/pipe stores


Just read your posting to the Pipe Digest.

I've been putting a list together of local Cigar/Pipe stores.  Since I
live in Sylmar, the SFV is a special interest as well.  Is jacobs.com
Jacobs Engineering in Pasadena?  A co-worker tells me there's a new
store right on Lake, down past the Burger Continental; if you go
please tell me what you can.

I personally can't recommend enough going to Edwards' in Reseda.
Roy`s just great, and will help you as much (or as little) as you

I also recommend reading alt.smokers.pipes and alt.smokers.cigars if
you can (if it's not available, the LA Free-Net has a very reasonable
account you can dial into or telnet to - $15 a year ($10 to the end of
this month!).

Hope this helps!!!
Cc'd to Steve Masticola for his info...

If you'd like the Humidor FAQ I'll send it to you...

Happy Smoking,

 Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars
 From: ?????????????? (Jeff Skaletsky)
 Subject: Wanted: info on So Cal/AZ/NV cigar/pipe stores
 I've decided that Southern Cal and the surrounding area is way under-
 represented in Mike Duvall's otherwise excellent humidor faq;
 So, while Mike is on vacation, here's a chance to fill things in.
 I've compiled a list of stores in the area, but don't have all
 the info for a lot of them, and can't afford to call or visit
 them all (but that'd be fun, wouldn't it?).  So, if you have
 first (or even second) hand knowlege of these places, please
 email me and I'll make sure you get credit.  I may also post
 these separately on a Web page I'm working on.
 Need:  Addresses, Proprietor's names, Mail Order y/n, any
 extra details that might be interesting, special brands,
 Inventory and Sales staff details.  If you have any additions,
 corrections, that'd be great!  I'll forward everything to Mike.  Format
 according to Mike's style if you can, or I will.
 I'm including what I have done, both for comments/changes and
 so that you know what's going on even if you haven't read the faq 
 (but why??).
 Here's what I have so far:
 Tinder Box-Santa Monica         
 2729 Wilshire Blvd.                    
 Santa Monica, CA 90403                 Proprietor: Ed Kolpin, Sr.
 (213) 828-2313                         Mailorder: Unknown
 This is the original Tinder Box, (since 1928) the one that spawned the
 national chain.  No longer affiliated, I hear that the owner is very
 unhappy about the way the chain turned out.  No details on that.  This store
 is crammed full of smokers goods and accessories, plus other nicknacks
 (like Bill Clinton Golf Balls - a good lie every time (not my
 Inventory: decent selection - small humidor, usually open with a
 "blasting" humidifier (you'll get a little wet if you stand under it,
 which you have to do to check out the Romeo et Juliettes, Avos, etc.)
 Prices are normal for CA, i.e., highish.  Some cigars by the door
 ("house" brands, unbanded bundles - out of the humidifier but with a few
 large-element elements on the shelf.)  I tried a few of those and the
 cigars were fine - probably helped that they were all in wrappers.
 Salespeople: seemed very knowlegable, helpful, candid.
 Edwards Pipe and Tobacco - Reseda 	Info from: Jeff Skaletsky
 19301-B Saticoy St. (The Village)	Proprietors: Roy and Betty Canada
 Reseda, CA  91355			Mail Order: yes
 (818) 349-2300
 At intersection of Tampa and Saticoy - formerly in shopping center
 just south of the quake-devastated Northridge Mall, was also
 badly damaged.  Took Roy six months to find a suitable new location.
 Roy's a straight-shooter, a cigar fan no question - been in the
 biz for years.  Will take whatever time you need to help you
 select your cigars or pipes.  Usually a few people sitting on
 stools, smoking and yakking.  Great hours - 'till 7pm weekdays, 6pm
 Saturday, 5pm Sundays.
 Inventory: large new humidor, finally well-stocked with Avo, PG, Nat
 Sherman, Romeo et Juliette (local rep said he had more stock than the
 distributor!), Fuente, Ashton, Aliados, Hoyo de Monterrey, Excalibur,
 Joyo de Nicaragua, Punch, Macanudo, H. Upmann, Partegas, Plieades, Te
 Amo, Cruz Real, Don Lino, Santa Rosa, El Sublimado, etc.  Large quantity
 of bundles of "seconds" of very good quality and very good prices.  Also
 puts together "grab bags" of cigars he has extra stock on, with bands
 removed - five or six various sizes for $7.95. No, he won't tell you
 what they are, and won't repeat them.  Prices are as good as you can
 find around LA.
 Salespeople: Roy and Betty.  Know their cigars.  Friendly,
 Cigar Warehouse - Sherman Oaks		Info from: Jeff Skaletsky 
 Ventura Blvd.				
 Sherman Oaks, CA			
 Near intersection of 405 fwy and Ventura Blvd.  Definitely
 a scene on Saturdays.  Lots of inventory, occasional specials.
 Inventory: *very* large humidor, well-stocked.  A Dunhill
 dealer plus most of the regular good stuff.  Decent prices.
 Salespeople: vary. The owner is very enthusiastic, helpful.
 Another guy seems to sometimes have an attitude, might be just
 me. Asks if he can help, but you get the feeling he wants you
 to say "no."
 Gus's Smoke Shop - Sherman Oaks	Info from: Jeff Skaletsky
 13420 Ventura Blvd.			Proprietor: Jim Hurwitz
 Sherman Oaks, CA			Mail Order: ??
 (818) 789-1401
 Friendly, small shop.  Apparently has a regular loyal clientele.
 Just opened "The Back Room" smoking club next door, $500/yr.
 Inventory: very small humidor, but full of higher quality (and priced)
 Salespeople: helpful, friendly, seem knowlegable.
 Red Carpet Wine and Spirits - Glendale		Info from: Jeff Skaletsky
 400 East Glenoaks Blvd.				Proprietor:
 Glendale, CA 						Mail Order: yes
 (818) 247-5544
 (800) 339-0609
 Inventory: not bad for a Wine and Spirits store.
 Feature Michael Butera Cigars, others.  A bit pricey.
 Salespeople: cashier?  did not see anyone else the one time I went.
 [okay, now here's where I *really* need help...]
 Las Vegas Cigar Company - Las Vegas  Info from: Jeff Skaletsky
 3755 So. Las Vegas Blvd. 	Proprietor: ??
 Las Vegas, NV  89109			Mail Order: yes
 (702) 262-6100
 (800) 432-4277
 Their own brand.  Apparently rolled in the store.  Their
 flyer lists two asst. samplers, $52.45 (25 cigars) and
 $27.65 (13 cigars), $4 s/h
 Lou's Tobacco Row - Tarzana 

 Ugly Al's - Reseda
 Corbin Ave.
 (not opened yet)

 Cigar Store - Westlake Village
 Inventory: the whole store's a humidor.  Not bad, bit pricey.
 Salespeople: a woman who seemed to know a bit...
 The Tobacco Trader - Marina Del Rey
 Inventory: nice humidor, good selection.
 Salespeople: not when I was there. Just a cashier.
 Briar Rose Tobacco Shop - Carson
 560 Carson Mall		Proprietor: Shane Pappas
 Carson, CA  90746		Mail Order: yes
 Bombay Cigar Society - Redondo Beach 
 Romeo et Juliette - Seal Beach
 1198 Pacific Coast Hwy
 Seal Beach, CA  90740
 Wittner's - Fairfax District (CBS Television City/Farmer's Mkt.)
 169 So. Fairfax Ave.
 LA, CA 90036
 (213) 935-9183
 La Plata - Downtown LA
 1026 So. Grand Ave.
 Los Angeles, CA  90015
 Their own brand, own roller(s)?
 Hilands - Palmdale
 Antelope Valley Mall
 1233 W. Ave. P  #305
 Palmdale, CA  93551
 (805) 538-9620
 Espada Cigars, apparently.
 Hilands - Huntington Beach
 15931 Goldenwest St.
 Huntington Beach, CA  92647
 (714) 897-1172
 Hilands - Long Beach
 5937 Spring St. (Von's Pavilion Ctr.)
 Long Beach, CA  90808
 (310) 425-3258
 (I do have all the addresses and phone numbers from a Hilands' ad, just tired
 of typing right now :-))
 Hilands - Bakersfield
 Hilands - San Bernardino
 Hilands - Victorville
 Hilands - Carlsbad
 Hilands - Las Vegas, NV
 Hilands - Scottsdale, AZ
 Hilands - Mission Viejo
 Dunhill - Beverly Hills
 Davidoff - Beverly Hills
 The Wine Merchant/Thomas Hinds? - Beverly Hills
 Ford and Haig - Scottsdale AZ
 Jeff Skaletsky N6TJO                                Quake Public Access
 modems: (818)362-6092 367-2142                      Sylmar, CA  91342 

[ Jeff, given the number of shops listed, I've taken the liberty of
limiting the Guide entries to only those shops which had at least some
comments attached. Also slight edits to limit lines to 80 columns,
etc. WOW! Thanks for the legwork! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????

Hello all:
I would like say this is a very informative way of communicating ideas about
the fine art of  pipes and cigars.

Also, let me introduce myself.  My first name is Ian and I am a fifth year 
senior at Western Michigan University.   I've been smoking a pipe for about
a year.

I recently acquired four pipes at antique show, and they aren't  in  the  
best of shape.  I would appreciate any advice on how to recondition them,
especially advice on how to fix loose mouth pieces.  I seem to  remember  
hearing somewhere  that  I need to first boil them in alcohol?....

All of these pipes are made of briar.  
The types are as follows:
   1.Jobey  Shellmoor  imported briar number  130
   2. Barnacle  made in France import briar,  D in mouth piece
   3.  Scotsman's Delight  made in England,  Scot in mouth piece
   4.  Tinder Box  Santini

Any information whatsoever on these  makes of pipes would be appreciated.
Thank you,

[ I've heard of Jobey, but not the others. Maybe I ought to update the
How-To to include treatment of used pipes, too... -S. ]

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From: Cort Odekirk <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- January 15, 1995

Been in lurker mode for a while, thought it was time to jump in with a few

I just got a new large bent, wonderful black sandblast that add the
perfect finishing touch to my biker jacket :).  Anyway, I seem to be
having trouble keeping it burning well, it doesn't go out, but the volume
of smoke is fairly weak.  The bowl is larger than any of my other pipes,
but so long as I'm packing it with the same pressure I can't see how that
would make a difference.  Not that I'm size contious or anything
:), but I'd really hate to relegate this pipe to a once in a
while-er.  Suggestions?

Secondus.  Can I get the address of a few good pipe catolgoues from the
net at large.  The pipe shops in Seattle proper are kind of underwelming
and I would like to get an expanded perspective :).

	Lastly, (and not directly tobacco related), in the last issue
Mark Thompson asked what he needed to get WWW access, and I thought it
might help a bit if I expanded a little on Steve's answer, (No
offense, I hope, oh benevolent moderator :).  The access Mark
described is standard for INTERNET and I believe will allow you to
access the Web using Lynx, which is a text only browser, (i.e. no
pictures, and Aunt Bertha rendered in ASCII is somewhat
lackluster). To actually use the Web fully, you need two things, a
good, fast link, (usually Slip or TTP?, or some other arcane
acronym. Your access provider will know what you need if you say you
want to be able to access the Web, but it will probably cost you a
little more a month, exact figures vary but about $15 is what I'm
hearing most often).

	Then you need a browser, a piece of software that knows how to
read the graphic language used by the Web, (HTML), and render it into
picture on your machine, (Aunt Bertha in all of her 256 color,
horrific glory).  Sound and movies are possible as well with some
helper applications, but worry about that later.

	Mosaic is the best known, but the latest version requires you
to install WIN32 additions to your Windows 3.1. (A quick route to the
wonderful world of psychosis).  My suggestion would be to locate
Netscape.  Its an alternate browser that is rapidly becoming as
prevalent as Mosaic, works as well or better, and does not require
modifing windows.  You should be able to find it at any major FTP
site, the 1.0 version is shareware for most people.  (I don't work for
these people, I just like their stuff and support anything that helps
me avoid mental illness.)

	There is a Mosaic for the Mac, but the connecting is very
different and someone else will have to fill in the details.

Eugh, that was long and technical, sorry :)

Cort Odekirk

[ I know that With Pipe and Book and Connoisseur list a few pipes in
their catalogs, as does Thompson's. Any other favorites? Thanks for
the expansion, Cort! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Ted Wagner)
Subject: RE:  PD #173 -- Clay Pipe Question

[ Question on clay pipe taste/strength deleted to save space. -S. ]

        Clay pipes offer a unique, most of the time smooth, smoke IMHO.  The 
clay tends to absorb the tobacco residue on a lot of blends with casings 
(BTW, most of the time that gurgling in your pipe is NOT saliva, it is the 
residue from tobacco which is flavored with 'casings'....sometimes it is 
saliva, but not usually).  Clay pipes also absorb some of the oils and such 
from the tobacco itself.  

        I smoke reproduction clay pipes from the 19th Century as part of my 
hobby as a Civil War reenactor.  Clays are definitely favorites among 
reenactors as they are cheap, easy to take care of, and can easily be 
replaced.  I usually smoke clays with a reed stem.  This helps to absorb 
more oils and moisture including that little bit on the stem end which does 
come from  your mouth.
        As far as cleaning, I am not sure how  you would clean a GOOD clay.  
I personally don't clean my reproduction clays as they are small and 
inexpensive.  My recommendation is to clean out the stem with a dry pipe 
cleaner.  If you try any kind of sweetner or cleaner, the clay will end up 
absorbing some of it.  A good way to clean your bowl is to probably wipe it 
out lightly with a cloth or paper towel.  Special care as in other pipes 
must be taken as not to scratch the bowl...etc.

        Clay pipes develope a 'glazed' character over a long period.  I have 
seen a few clays that some of my 'pards' smoke.  They have a golden brown 
glaze look to them similar to a polished, brown honey look.  This is most 
likely from casings in tobacco.

>[ Interesting! Rick Hacker's book mentioned that he once cleaned a
>clay by throwing it in the fireplace, though I wouldn't recommend such
>treatment myself. BTW, check out Lepeltier's for a different kind of
>clay. -S. ]

        I think Rick was referring to (and making a tongue in cheek 
reference) to inexpensive care and replacement of the clay.  I don't think I 
would put a $60 clay in a fireplace.  But, in all actuality, it is not a bad 
idea to *set* one on a fire, or on or near a bed of coals.  The pipe will 
expand with the heat (it was fired before and should not be hurt by 
another).  Any excessive caking will flake off.  HOWEVER, if you have a lot 
of build up in that pipe, there could be a lot of mositure there too!  Ever 
throw a rock in a fire that had moisture trapped inside?  BOOM!  If you have 
an FINISHED clay (any glazing that would seal the surfaces of the pipe), I 
would not do this.  BUT, if you have clays like I have, I don't think it 
would hurt them.  Mine are cheap, but they do not have finished surfaces.  

        I treat my pipes like babies.  So, I usually take a lot of 
precautions and care.  Some of what I say may sound too 'guarded.' ;-)  

???????????????????                                     Civil War re-enactor
antique pipe collector                           Civil War antique collector
19th century book collector                                             cook
writer                                                      recipe collector
cat lover                                                          book worm
racing enthusiast                                                game player
pipe smoker                                                     cigar smoker
computer enthusiast                                           technology bug
model A car lover                                          
What?  Me, have a life besides hobbies?  Nah, you're
kidding, right?  

[ Perhaps those with access to a kiln might consider using that as a
cleaner. Try with a cheap pipe first. :-) BTW, how hard would it be to
_make_ a clay, using lost wax, again assuming the kiln? -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????? (Hadden M. Hoppert)
Subject: Re: Cigar Homepage

>There was someone on here right before Christmas who said they would have 
>a homepage up immenantly.  Has this happened.  Today I discovered that my 
>univ account will allow a homepage with almost no hassle.  If anyone has 
>a html document ready but no place to put it, let me know.  I have 
>written a very crude cigar home page, but don't really have to knowhow to 
>do a really special job.

That would have been me.  In fact you should be able to access the page at 
www.interaccess.com/users/hhoppert/cigar.html.  If not just write me and I'll 
check out what's wrong, I'm still converting the FAQ to HTML (have had 2 weeks 
vacation in Vegas. Btw:ever hear of Don Pablo cigars?)  I have the (old) 
database, the faq and 101 things to say to people who ask you to put your 
cigar out as well as a number of mail order numbers.

                                   Hadden Hoppert
                                   The Universal Solution Inc.

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From: "Seth D. Strichartz" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- January 15, 1995

Steve: I was just in Menlo Park and had the PLEASURE of trying the
tobacco store attached to the BBC (British Banker's Club)
restaurant. The atmosphere of the store is fabulous (a bit pricey
though), the selection is OK (not great). Any faults are well
compensated for by the fact that the store is attached to the BBC
which now has the "Churchill room"--a cigar friendly upstairs bar with
excellent ambience. Even though Kentucky is a tobacco producing state,
there is nothing here in Louisville that compares.  Sincerely, Seth
D. Strichartz, M.D.  Louisville, KY

[ This is rapidly becoming a must-visit! -S. ]

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From: Matthew Leingang <????????????????????????>
Subject: Hello

Hello to all smokers!

Allow me to introduce myself.  I became a cigar smoker one New Year's eve
about five years ago, and a pipe smoker a few years after that.  My first
pipe was a birthday gift from my best friend, who was actually returning a
favor I had bestowed upon him for his previous birthday.

Last year my grandfather, an avid pipe and cigar smoker until his heart
attack 20 years ago, passed away.  I was lucky enough to emerge with his
collection of pipes (the cigars, being 20 years old, weren't that great) and
parephenalia.  Much of this belonged to his father, my great-grandfather,
including a Meerschaum complete with case that reads "Adler Fulop Es Fia,
Budapest."  I surmise this means my great-grandfather bought this pipe in
Budapest, sometime before he emigrated to the United States in 1900.  The
pipe appears to be in two pieces, but I can't seem to fit them together.  I
guess I'll have to take it to a shop.

I am not the afficianado of brand names and such, but someday I hope to be. 
I simply enjoy a good cigar for a festive occasion or a good pipe for a
reflective one.

Here's an anecdote I would like to share:  I am a member of Delta Kappa
Epsilon international fraternity.  Years ago, the president of the Republic
of Cuba, Mario Garcia Menocal, was an alumnus of this fraternity (he went to
Cornell).  He decided that he wanted to host the annual international
convention in his home country.  Having the coffers of Cuba at his disposal,
he spared no expense.  There are tales of trains starting in Maine, at each
stop picking up more Dekes on the way to Miami, where they boated to Havana. 
Each brother attending the convention was given a box of cigars.

This event is verified in an ancient issue of the University of Chicago

I look forward to moderated (i.e. flameless) discussion!  

Matthew Leingang

PS.  Steve, can you please send the "How to" guide (just to make sure I'm
doing it right :-) and the "101 Ways..."?  Thanks 1000000.

Matthew Leingang 		"We cannot change the country--      
mpl3midway.uchicago.edu		 let us change the subject."  Joyce

[ How-to and 101 Ways sent. BTW, when we run out of 101 Ways, we'll
have to work on 1000001 New Ways. :-) All flameless, of course. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Introducing myself

Hello, everyone.  Since I'm new to this newsletter, I thought I'd introduce
myself.  I've been smoking cigars and occasionally pipes for over twenty years.
 I suspect that I'm like many who would love to smoke nothing but expensive
cigars and tobaccos; however, I have found contentment with less expensive
smokes.  My "regular" cigar is the A&C Grenadier (candela), but I keep a few
boxes of some moderately priced cigars made by Thompson for a switch off.  For
"treats," I'll smoke an Ashton, Larranga La Romana or Dunhill.  My pipe
tobaccos are, again, inexpensive but I enjoy them.  Half & Half for a
"straight" smoke and Borkum Riff if I want an aromatic.  "Treats" are Plumcake
and Escudo.  For quick smokes, I keep a pack of "Between the Acts" with me.  
        Well, that's about it.  

[ Thanks for the intro, Frank! -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????


Thanks for sending me Pipes Digest. Here is a little information about myself.

I am 27 years old, and live in Auburn, GA. I am a computer programmer
(yes COBOL, no wise cracks from C++ programmers). I have been smoking
pipes for about 5 years. Over the years I have collected about 25
pipes, including Stanwells, Savinellis, Petersons and Brebbias.  I
currently smoke something called Optima. I have tried and English
blend, but it tasted about like what I imagine smoking hay would be
like. I am interested in trying new tobaccos. I have read many of the
favorites of the mailgroup, but I am leary of trying another English
blend. Could you suggest, I suppose, a mild English blend to get me

Jim Clark	

[ Ib Fagerlund mentions Dunhill's Standard Mild later in this
issue... any others? -S. ]

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From: ????????????? (Greg Louis)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- January 15, 1995

Hi, Steve:
You echoed, with interest, a contributor's question: how does one go
about aquiring an educated palate?

Without wishing to pose as the owner of such a thing, I'd venture to
suggest the following procedure:

The first step is undirected but broad exploration.  The goal is to
try as much as possible and to learn what seems "good" and what
doesn't, and then to refine one's ability to make distinctions among
degrees of "good"ness.  Afterward, it's pleasing and rewarding to
investigate what's in the things that are "good" and to discover
what's common: what ingredients there are whose presence has a
predictive value of "good"ness or otherwise.  Doing it in that order
is preferable to reading up first: people are awfully suggestible,
and the experimenter wants to know what her/his own palate can do,
not (not at first, anyway) what others' palates have experienced!

What little I know of wine, pipe tobacco, ... I learned this way.  It
isn't swift, and I'm still abysmally ignorant, but at least I've a
long road of pleasurable learning before me.

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From: Ib Fagerlund <?????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest  (PIPE)

Hello fellow smokers,

In reply to C.D.Walborn's question (#173): "So, where do i begin?".

Learning to appreciate English blends, or learn what it is i am
actually tasting, as you phrase it, is a lengthy study.
The only way, as i see it, is to experiment. Try them all i would
say. But some advise on the road is not bad. Rely on your tobacco 
dealer if you feel confident about him, or ask an 'experienced'
friend - there's quite a few around here!

I tell you, some time from now, when you'r fed up with your Captain
Black or whatever, you will suddenly desire the distinct aroma of
Dunhill's Standard. That's the way it works. For me anyway.

If you haven't tried it, you will never know what you missed! Right ?

A little advise about the numerous tins, half full, that tend to pile
up on your shelve, that you could not stand when you smoked them for
the first time - keep them!  Preferable in air tight containers (a
carefully sealed plastic bag will do). A new try will then be
cost-free whenever you feel like it.

One friendly advise - try the milder versions of a specific tobacco
type you would like to try at first.  Dunhill's Standard Mild is a
good example of a light English Mixture.  Another choice in this
category could be MacBaren's Latakia Blend (if it's available in the
US), which is basicly a rather sweet blend with just a touch of

Keep it lit!

Ib FAGERLUND  (?????????????????)

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From: Donohue <????????????????>
Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco 

hey, steve. great idea.  i've been looking for a group where chatting 
about smoking (cigars, in my case) does not immediately draw fire from 
the rabid anti-smoking folks.  

i've just moved to north carolina from southern california.  would be 
glad to exchange notes with people about smoker nights and so on; those 
abounded in calif., but i've not had luck finding them here in tobacco 
road, which seems strange. the nice thing about living here -- actually, 
it's better than nice, it's GREAT -- is that there's a J&R factory outlet 
not far, which makes for a cheaper hobby, especially since my tastes tend 
to run toward the more expensive smokes. (what can i say -- i got hooked 
on good cigars.)

anyway, enough blathering on.  i hope to hear from you soon.  happy trails.

brian donohue

[ But there are plenty of good mail-order places in NC. I'd suspect
they're moving there to gain some degree of protection from
prohibitionist laws. And, of course, Richmond, VA (and CORPS) are near
_some_ parts of NC... -S. ]

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From: Adam Tate <????????????????>
Subject: Re: Back issues

On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Steve Masticola wrote:

> Coming by separate mail. I'll have to remember the Latin! ~\U S.

Actually, correct that.  I just checked the Latin dictionary and it says 
the correct verb (in the imperative) is "fuma".  Wouldn't want to be 
giving out wrong info!  So...

Fuma in pace,

[ Thanks, Adam! My Latin doesn't go farther than "Illegitimi non
carborundum." Which is still useful :-) -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: New subscriber

Hello. My name is James Akin. I am a native of Fayetteville, Arkansas, but I
currently live in San Diego, California. 

I am 29 and have been a pipe smoker since I was 13, with a three-year hiatus
at one point. My academic training is in philosophy, and I currently work as
an apologist at a ministry known as "Catholic Answers" here in San Diego (I
would explain that an apologist is a person who defends a position, and hence
a Catholic apologist is a person who defends the Catholic faith, but pipe
smokers are far too erudite for me to explain this without insulting them). 

I would be very interested in meeting other Pipes Digest subscribers here in
Souther California. My phone number is (619) 283-9757.  

To give a little more background on me, here is the introduction to an
article I am writing on the anti-smoking crusade and the inversion of
American moral priorities (when the article is completed, I will upload it to
Pipes Digest, though I plan to publish it elsewhere):

"It was almost guaranteed that I would be a pipe smoker. The chief reason is
that my father was a pipe-smoking university professor, and like any son I
wished to emulate my father. But there were other reasons. 

"I was intensely interested in science as a child, and the image of a
pipe-smoking scientist in a lab coat was stamped upon my brain at an early
age. I myself grew up to be a philosophy teacher at the local university, so
the archetype of the pipe-smoking philosopher also played a role. From the
other end of the social spectrum, I happened to grow up in the Ozark
mountains of Arkansas--hillbilly country. In later years I even discovered
that some of my ancestors were been born in Ireland (the rest being from two
other pipe-smoking countries, Scotland and England). 

"Thus as a scientific-philosopher-academic-hillbilly- Irishman, it was
virtually predestined that I would take up a pipe. And I did. 

"I enjoy smoking a pipe. It is very relaxing. I smoke a mild, sweet-smelling
tobacco, and I enjoy its taste and aroma. I am also sensitive to the romance
of pipe-smoking. The image is very appealing to me of being a good,
pipe-smoking Catholic daddy, with a passle of children at my feet, reading
Bible stories by the fireside during 

Unfortunately, I do not currently have such a passle of children, as I was
widowed at the age of 27 (two days after my 27th birthday), and am currently
seeking a devout Catholic wife who wants lots of babies. (Coincidentally, I
became Catholic just four days before being widowed; previously, I had been a
Evangelical and had hoped to teach in an Evangelical seminary.)

The tobacconist I use here in San Diego is Liberty Tobacco (7341 Clairmont
Mesa Blvd. in Independence Square Plaza, [619] 292-1772). 

The store is run by a man name Charlie Hennigan, who has provided chairs for
guys to sit around and talk. He also has a TV set up and a small 'fridge for
beer (& other beverages). Often during the afternoons, Charlie has a "movie
of the day" which he plays on VCR for men who don't have to work during the
afternoon. Several times a year (at least once a quarter, it seems), he has
cook-outs and parties at the store, as well as yearly cigar and pipe smoking
contests, and frequent "golf outings" for the customers.

The atmosphere at Litberty Tobacco is quite pub-like (except for the
prominence of smoke over drink), and I enjoy it a great deal.

Hope to write to you soon, and glad to be a subscriber. 

[ Thanks! And what a great name for the shop! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- Janu...

In PD#173, ?????????????? commented on cigar draw. This issue has become a
pet peeve of mine with Davidoff in particular. I have been complaining for
nearly 3 yrs to no avail. I have even developed my personal test that I
perform in their humidor in NYC--the tightness I'm sure you have noted is
right in the band area--if that spot is hard as a rock, it is a reject. I
should point out that the system is not foolproof and, in fact, sometimes the
harder ones are better in draw.

My concern was similar to Hytest, in that I originally believed the
wetness/dryness had much to do with problem. No my friends, the problem lies
in the rolling process. For this reason I do not purchase in 25/box--I buy
the 5-pack, open every box, squeeze every cigar and dare the sales help to
stop me. As it turns out, I met the store manager who shared my concern and
he lets me spend as much time as I need to make my selection.    

So why do I torture myself in this process and why do I gamble with $7.75 for
a Grand Cru #2, when the possibilty exists too often that I will get a lousy
smoke--nothing worse than a hard ( hot ) draw?  Answer: When a Davidoff is
rolled properly, it is pure joy!!

Best Regards,
Sid Gibson

[ As someone who recently threw most of a badly-rolled Onyx away, I
appreciate your comments! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????????????? (Bill Sempf)
Subject: A Columbus, Ohio smokers' club

        I realize this has limited appeal, but I am starting a Columbus,
Ohio smokers' club.  There are a few cigar friendly restaurants out there,
and with my gift for gab I'm sure I could get on to sponsor us.  All this
talk about area clubs around the US and the world is making me jealous!!
        Respond via EMail to ???????????????, or even here on the Digest.
A few responses might draw a few more, and you never know what you'll get.
        We remain, gentlemen,


 &                           William Sempf is a P roduct      &
 &  Surfing the WorldNet ...                    O f           &
 &            ... one node at a time.           I nnovative   &
 &                                              N ew          &
 &      Finger for public PGP key!!             T echnology   &

[ I've put it in the guide, Sempf. Please keep us appraised! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: The Pipe Palate

How to Develop a Pipe Palate:

Developing a Pipe Palate  is not an easy task. First you have to determine
why you want to develop this sense, will it be for determining the contents
of a pipe tobacco or for description purposes?

Here's what I mean: 

Content: Ahh.. this blend is made up of a Red Virginia leaf, Bright
Burley, Perique, and cased with Rum.  or Descriptive: This blend has a
sweetness derived from the Virginian tobaccos with peppery overtones
of Perique, laced with hint of molasses from the Rum.

This of course is a little bit of an exaggeration but you get the idea. 

The first thing you have to be able to do (and it ain't easy) is to identify
tobacco and it's origin by looking at it. One of the best sources for
pictures regarding this is an out of print book by Carl Ehwa "The History of
Pipes & Tobacco." This book illustrates color and texture of straight tobaccos
 like Burley, Virginian etc. The next step is to find small quantities of the
basic straight (unmixed)  tobaccos. Try these tobaccos to develop a sense for
their characteristics ie. (Virginia-sweet, bright in color, smokes hot &
wet.) Only after you have tried tobaccos in their unadulterated state, can
you pick them out of a crowd. Two things to keep in mind when trying tobacs;
How was the tobac cured, as this will affect flavor. Two, the "cut" of the
tobacco because this will greatly affect the temperature of the smoke.

The more difficult thing to decern in pipe tobacco is the casing agent, (if
it has one.) Casing agents range from just plain sugared water to natural
fruit or herb extracts, liquor, and liquers. To determine this it helps if
you have literature from the tobacco itself. They usually say "Rum,"
"Bourbon," etc. 

One product you might look for (I don't know if it's still made) is a can of
tobacco made by MacBaren's of Denmark. I don't remember the name of it, but
it was about a 250gram can divided into four sections and each section
contained a single tobacco like Burley, Virginian, Cavendish and some kind of
Oriental - I can't remember. It came with a small scoop so that you could
create your own blend. It was a nifty idea, but I haven't seen it for a long
time. When you're trying tobaccos try them with a clean palate, I used to
chew parsley then rinse my mouth with water before trying tobaccos. If you
try tobaccos while drinking port, bourbon, malts, etc., it will affect your
perception of the tobac. Lastly the scent of the tobac burning is critical in
determining characteristics. You have to find a way to burn the tobacco
outside of you pipe in order to "really" smell it. Use a small piece of metal
screen with your tobacco on top of it, light it, let it burn and then wave
the smoke to your nose. Now you'll now more about the tobacco and more
importantly, how other people around you interpret your tobacco.

Hope This helps,
Steve Banks

[ Thanks for the discussion, Steve! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Paul J. Ste. Marie)
Subject: Re: Pipe Digest

Let's see.  I generally smoke a blend of Lane cavendishes, that I have
made at the Tobacco Wharf in Beavercreek, OH.  Mostly I smoke
meerschaums (I have about ten, mostly SMS's), but I also have a few
briars.  That's really about it.

    --Paul J. Ste. Marie
      ??????????????????????, ???????????????????

[ Thanks, Paul, and welcome! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: P.D.

Dear Steve, I have been reading the issues of the Digest that you send,
faithfully, for however long I have been subscribing and really enjoy the
forum.  I too have refrained from sending in a bio, as it *is* listed as a
Pipes digest, but, since there are many other subscribers I can identify
with, here goes.: My name is J. Mark Craib; I am 26 years of age; I work
*many* jobs, but for the most part, I am in a Human Services career.  I work
with multiply handicapped kids in a school setting, although I am sometimes
more of a bouncer than a Paraeducator.  Beyond this, I also tend bar, work as
a Counselor at a runaway shelter, and plow snow in the winter.  As I live in
Rochester NY, this can sometimes be a full time job as well.  (I'm almost
done...)  Now in my "spare" time, I volunteer as a Paramedic, Firefighter,
and keep busy with my local Masonic Lodge.  Now after all this, you may ask
where I get the time to enjoy myself, or worse yet that "R" word, relax ??
The answer is, whenever I can.  There are quiet times on the ambulance, when
one of my partners and I can enjoy a good smoke, or with my pipe, one of the
convieniences is it holds up in my pocket better than a 1/2 smoked A.F.
Hemmingway.  The Fire Dept. allows smoking in the truck bays only, but I can
make do, put my feet up, and enjoy a smoke without too much
interruption-usually.  There are only 1 or 2 cigar friendly establishments
around me.  The bar I work in does NOT like me to smoke cigars, but it's OK
if the "patrons" do, because " there's nothing we can do about it ".  ( This
was said to me by one of the managers, who smokes ciggaretts - even while he
is tending bar !! )  I really hate double standards !!  I am also working mr
way through college (slowly, but still going...)  I have found that I really
enjoy both my cigars, and my pipe.  There are times when I prefer one over
the other, for whatever reason... but my knowledge base is very limited when
it comes to pipeing.  Personally, I have always preferred pipe and cigar
"smell" over cigaretts (however you spell that damn word).  I would love to
hear more about both pipes and cigars, as there is no *real* club or league
around me.  There is a smoker usually once every 2-3 months, and has ha
dattendance from k65 to 175 people.  These are predominantly cigar smokers,
but as of late, there have been both Pipes, and women in attendance.  The
women that are there, are avidly smoking cigars.  
Well I have said more than enough, but one of my most pleasurable moments, is
when I have Jimmy Buffett on the radio, and a Cohiba Siglo V in my hand and
the stars above me.  
" If we couldn't laugh, we'd all go insane "
--------Buffett, James (Poet Extrordinaire) 

Thanks for the Digest, it's a nice touch of sanity in an otherwise unsane

Happy Smoking, and as for second hand smoke, I guess if I can't get it first

J. Mark

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From: ????????????????????????????? (natalia bykova)
Subject: to join pipes mailgroup

i'd like to join this group, just tell me what you guys do there and
does it oblige me to do anything.  if i join, can i apply for
information about smoking trends, tobacco advertising, marketing
strategies and so on? i'm writing a paper and need some info.


p.s. i'm "unapologetic" smoker, but i prefer filter cigarettes,
nothing else.

[ Natasha, I'm reprinting your letter so that our other members can
contact you. Good luck on your paper! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Don Shuwarger, M.D., F.A.C.O.G.)
Subject: Where do I get one?


Don Shuwarger, M.D. 
A Rural American Ob/Gyn Physician         "May the FORCEPS be with you!"
E-mail: ????????????????

[ Thanks, Don! Milan Bros. was already mentioned in Digest #165. BTW,
you should treat that .sig with a can of Pun Bomb :-) -S. ]

So...do you have a PD entry that sells Pun Bomb?  I supose I have to leave
the room :-) <g>

[ Not yet, but someone should market it. It's a dynamite idea. Sales
should be explosive. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????? (Rik Bourne)
Subject: New Member -  Response


This is my first post to this mail group, and I have to say after reading my
first mailing I really love it so far.  I am a cigar smoker myself although
I did smoke a pipe while I was in college.  I really don't know how most
people started smoking cigars, for me it was just something to do during
parties.  A friend of mine would bring some cigars with him to the party and
we would stand out on the roof and puff away.  I really can't say that I
loved them, they were cheap Philly Blunts or something like that, but it did
keep the girlfriends away and give the guys time for some good quality male
bonding.  It really wasn't until I went on my honymoon to Bermuda that I had
my first quality premium cigar, a Cuban H. Upmann,  I was in heaven.  That
was the point that my fasination with cigars started.

Well I look forward to being a active participant in the group and I promise
I will give reviews of all cigars that I try.  Like tonight I will trying a
Davidoff Special R.  I'll let you know what I think

Rik Bourne

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From: ???????????????? (Ad van Bever)
Subject: pipes from Gouda

I would like to send you a little article about a part of Dutch folklore,
the clay pipe from Gouda.

Gouda is a small city , known for its pottery and even more so for its
clay pipes. People don't smoke them ofter nowadays, but they are
lovely to collect.

It all started in the early 17th century. In England bitter political
fights went on and a lot of Britans fled to the continent. Among them
a great deal of gifted pipemakers, who found a new home in the city of
Gouda.  They started the triumph of the "Gouwenaars" as the clay pipe
was called.  For three centuries it was the most used smoking

A man called William Baernelts alledgedly was the first to arrive in
Gouda.  According to the legend this man was in fact the famous writer
William Shakespeare, who fled from people he owned money and a scorned
wife.  On his tombstone in Gouda is written that anyone who would open
the grave would be cursed.

Anyway, by making the white claypipes Gouda prospored. Halfway the Golden
Age some 10.000 inhabitant of Gouda earned a living in the pipemaking
industry. Millions of pipes were made every year.

One of the oldest traditions on clay pipes is the so-called "getting a
Gouda clay pipe".  During winter when the rivers and lakes were
frozen, many men went ice skating to Gouda. When the arrived they
bought a clay pipe which was sewn on their back. The first one to
arrive back in the village was welcomed like a hero. The real
proffesionals took a so-called office-pipe, which was over 50
centimeter long .  To bring it back undamaged was an act of true
heroism.  Until this day people ice skate to get their clay pipe. The
only difference is that they go back by car or train and that women
and children also join.

Today there are only two pipemakers left which jointly produce some
13.000 pipes a year. If anyone of you will visit the Netherlands,
don't miss Gouda. Don't forget to buy a pipe and some plain
tobacco. If you smoke it with caution it will last a long time and
gives a cool and dry smoking pleasure.

See you in Gouda!

Ad van Bever

E-MAIL :  ????????????????
Post address: P.O. Box 9310, 3007 AH  Rotterdam
                            The Netherlands

" An illiterate king is like a crowned donkey".  ( John of Salisbury)

[ Thanks, Ad! Lots of attention to clays this issue. -S. ]

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From: Andy Miller <????????????????????????????>
Subject:      Pipes in the movies

Pipes Digest people:

I don't know if anyone has talked much about pipes in movies (if so, I'd
appreciate being directed to the appropriate source). I've done some thinking
about it myself-- as with most pipe themes, I'm fascinated. Can anyone
suggest films I should see with some sort of pipe angle? I've got a few
in mind already, both old and new:

"Meet Me in St. Louis"-- the mythical "boy next door," frequently gazed
upon  by a voyeuristic Judy Garland, is at one point fiddling with what I
take to be his first pipe on the lawn: a moment of self-creation, private
but in this context a form of performance.  Also, Garland's grandfather's
pipe tends to suggest stability-- when things are up in the air, the pipe
is less evident.

"Through a Glass Darkly" (Bergman)-- In this film, both adult males smoke a
pipe... interestingly, their pipe duties (getting tobacco, filling, cleaning,
lighting) all appear very awkward and are even touched with the growing
neurotic flavor of the film as a whole.

"Wild Strawberrries" (also Bergman)-- in contrast, here we have a teenage
girl whose pipe is a sort of refusal to adhere to traditional structures...
she and her friends are the "free spirit" personified.

"Of Human Bondage" (with Leslie Howard)-- watch for the way the pipe is an
almost fetishistic 'male' object. When women want to act on the hero Philip,
one way to do it is to manipulate his pipe-- that is, fill it for him. He
accepts one, refuses the other.

"Never Cry Wolf"-- Pipe as comforter, as friend in a lonely place... compare
that to the pipe in Lindsay Anderson's "If. . ." (a source, along with "Zero
for Conduct", for Weir's "Dead Poet's Society").  In "If..." the pipe smoking
Latin teacher is the enemy establishment. While in "Dead Poet's Society" it
works both ways-- instrument of the oppressor AND avenue of identity
exploration, though in "DPS" there is a strong conformist element that isn't
at all visible in "If...".

One last interesting example: Jack Nicholson in the recent "Wolf" is a pipe
smoker earlier in the film, in the scenes where he is represented as being
basically good but old/slow/sedentary.

There's a lot more out there.
Andy Miller

[ And don't forget "The Dead Poets' Society" and its pipe-initiation
scene... and "Sommersby," the only tobak-positive movie I've seen in
quite a while. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????????? (natalia bykova)
Subject: subscription request 

dear steve!

i've read the whole file (lots of tough work, as i've got smth as hangover
after yesterday's farwell party), and i think it's fun and informative, but,
indeed, mostly about cigars and pipes.

actually, for the record, here in vienna they have a small and cosy tobacco
and pipes museum, which many would find also fun. i've been there - ther's
rather big pipes collection, also pictures, snuff-boxes so on. if this is
interesting, i can find out their address and more info.
but, to tell the truth, i'm not fond of pipes and cigars and i think this is
not the right... decision to participate in these discussions, as i can't
tell the members anything useful about the subject they know much better
then me.

my e-mail address will be valid till the beginning of february, and i'm
actually leaving for home (to kiev, ukraine) somewhere the same time. i'll
try to keep on writing you guys about everything that might be useful
whether from here or from home, each time i have an access to e-mail or www.

thank you for the info anyway and stay in touch!


[ Later... -S. ]

dear steve!

i've read the whole file (lots of tough work, as i've got smth as hangover
after yesterday's farwell party), and i think it's fun and informative, but,
indeed, mostly about cigars and pipes.

actually, for the record, here in vienna they have a small and cosy tobacco
and pipes museum, which many would find also fun. i've been there - ther's
rather big pipes collection, also pictures, snuff-boxes so on. if this is
interesting, i can find out their address and more info.
but, to tell the truth, i'm not fond of pipes and cigars and i think this is
not the right... decision to participate in these discussions, as i can't
tell the members anything useful about the subject they know much better
then me.

my e-mail address will be valid till the beginning of february, and i'm
actually leaving for home (to kiev, ukraine) somewhere the same time. i'll
try to keep on writing you guys about everything that might be useful
whether from here or from home, each time i have an access to e-mail or www.

thank you for the info anyway and stay in touch!


[ Looking forward to it, and you're welcome to stay, if you wish! We
have a few cigarette connoisseurs here; perhaps you'd like to direct
your messages to them. But, could you please send us the address of
the museum? Welcome! -S. ]

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From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: for the digest

Dear Steve,

     {Thanks for putting me on the distribution list for the Digest.  I very 
much enjoyed the copy you sent and would like to receive the last three or 
four issues as well.  Also, if possible, would you retransmit the current 
issue as well?  I printed it as a hard copy and then erased the file. 
 Unfortunately, after it was printed, someone took it off the printer and 
dropped it, scattering pages everywhere.  It was fun reading it last night 
but it would be more enlightening to read the pages in the intended order! 
 Also, when you send the document, would you affix ".doc" to its title?}

     I am happy to be a new member of the Digest's supporters.  I am 44 
years old and have been smoking pipes for 27 years and cigars for about 15. 
 I prefer straight pipes, especially ODA-sized canadians, lumbermen and 
stacked billiards, although I also own quite a few pipes in other shapes.  I 
have a nice collection of English pipes.  A Charatan Supreme canadian with 
an egg-shaped bowl and stamped M.T.O. (made to order, I think) is the jewel 
of my collection.  I also enjoy my Caminettos, Ascortis, and Ser Jacs.  I 
smoke a heavy blend of Red Virginia, Latakia, Perique, and Yenidje which I 
blend for myself at John B. Hayes Tobacconist (Fairfax, VA) where I work one 
night per week.  On occasion, I'll buy a tin of Sobranie, Bengal Slices, etc 
for a change.  I used to enjoy Dunhill's Standard Mixture Full and Dark 
Flake.  If any of the Digest's subscribers have any of these tobaccos and 
are willing to part with them, I'd love to get a message 

     My other hobbies include martial arts, motorcycle riding (1981 Honda 
CB750K), and amateur radio (N4PKL).  I would enjoy hearing from anyone with 
similar interests.

     When not smoking my pipe (alas, my office has gone smoke free), I work 
for the Dept. of Defense in the area of nuclear weapons command and control. 
 Fortunately, business is not booming these days.  My academic training is 
in the area of Russian studies, specifically, Soviet nuclear forces and 

     I hope this brief introduction will serve to put me in touch with the 
many interesting individuals who still find respite and harmony in a 
peaceful pipe in these hurried times.


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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Appreciation

Date: Friday, January 20, 1995
Time: 1:19 PM

I just want to take the time to thank Mr. Donovan-Shead for sharing the
plethora of information that he has titled "Smoke Signals". As a fairly new
smoker and, indeed, an ignorant one I have greatly appreciated and benefited
from this information. It is mostly he who has convinced me to turn to the
English-Scottish blends of tobacco.

Mr. Donovan-Shead, you are the exact type of gentleman that turned me towards
pipe smoking in the first place. It is wonderful to know that men like you do

And to the pipe smoking community in general: You are a wonderful bunch of
people. I cannot duly express my gratitude for the friendly sharing of
information that I have experienced among you.

Over-sentimentally yours,
  Christopher D. Walborn              ~  ~          
  ?????????????????               ~    ~   ~        
  2533 SW 31st Terrace                   ~  ~       
  Cape Coral FL 33914                      ~        
  (813) 549-8060                           U______  

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: New Subscriber Bio


Thanks a lot for the latest issue of Pipes Digest.  From what I have seen 
it is a wonderful publication.  I've enjoyed every min. of reading.  In 
fact I've FTP'd several back issues and enjoyed them as well.

As for your request for a short backgrounder on myself.

I am 43 years old, live on a small horse farm in Southwestern 
Pennsylvania, and am a software engineer by trade.  I've been smoking 
pipes for a while now and find it to be one very enjoyable and relaxing 
passtime. (esp. sitting out in an old blue ridge rocker, just daydreaming 
and watching the forest grow.)

As for my favorite pipes, I have a few, but those that come to mind more 
often than not are an original issue Sherlock Holmes from Petersons, a 
churchwarden from Savanelli, and one of unknown origin that is a kind of 
full bent, large hand carved bowl, and of an overall gnarly appearance 
that smokes quite well.

My favorite tobacco(s) are: for every day use - Sherlock's Choice, 
Dunhill's Medium Standard, and Balkan Sobranie,  for night time relaxing I 
like a churchwarden full of Dunhill's Nightcap or Bengal Slices, a good 
book,perhaps some nice Mozzart, and something nice to sip, and for a change 
now and again I enjoy MacBaren's Latika, Dunhill's Elizabethan Blend, or 
Erinmore Mixture.

Given the preferences that I mentioned above I would very much like to 
hear from any other members about any favorite of theirs they think I 
might like. Always interested in discovering a new favorite.

Once again thanks for the fine work you are doing with the digest.  I 
like the www pages also, and I am looking forward to participating in 
this group.


Gary R. Graham           | "I dont think we're in Kansas anymore .... 
????????????????????     |

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From: ????????????????? (Boaz Rahat)
Subject: The Smoker's Own Book Of Poetry


I have an old book of poetry for smokers! It is called: "Pipe and
Pouch, the Smoker's Own Book of Poetry". Compiled by Joseph Knight,
of the Joseph Knight Company, Boston, 1895. The copyright is dated
1894. The publisher: University Press, John Wilson and Son, Cambridge,

Perhaps the first story is how I came about this book ... There is, or
used to be, a very large used book company in the small town of
Hay-on-Wye, in England, on the Welsh border. I had once hitch-hiked
and walked my way through that town, but found out about the used book
operation only months after returning from my trip. Apparently the
'store' takes up several buildings in that town, and may be the
largest used book store(s) in the world. Later on my brother passed
through Hay-on-Wye, knowing perfectly well what treasure lies there,
and this book is the souvenir he brought me. (The price was only 1.50
British Pounds, and the year approximately 1982 ...)

The book must have about 100 poems. Rudyard Kipling's "The Betrothed"
is there (I've seen that copied onto one of the smoking newsgroups
already). I hope I may find the time to type some of them for the
Pipe Digest. Here comes the first, notice the writer seems to be a
woman pipe-lover.


I have a little comforter,
   I carry in my pocket:
It is not any woman's face
   Set in a golden locket;
It is not any kind of purse;
   It is not book or letter,
But yet at times I really think
   That it is something better.

Oh, my pipe, my little brown pipe!
   How oft, at morning early,
When vexed with thoughts of coming toil,
   And just a little surly,
I sit with thee till things get clear,
   And all my plans grow steady,
And I can face the strife of life
   With all my senses steady.

No matter if my temper stands
   At stormy, fair, or clearing,
My pipe has not for any mood
   A word of angry sneering.
I always find it just the same,
   In care, or joy, or sorrow,
And what it is to-day I know
   It's sure to be tomorrow.

It helps me through the stress of life;
   It balances my losses;
It adds a charm to all my joys,
   And lightens all my crosses.
For through the wreathing, misty veil
   Joy has a softer splendor,
And life grows sweetly possible,
   And love more truly tender.

Oh, I have many richer joys!
   I do not underrate them,
And every man knows what I mean,
   I do not need to state them.
But this I say, - I'd rather miss
   A deal of what's called pleasure,
Than lose my little comforter,
   My little smoky treasure.

		Amelia E. Barr




[ I read the book years and years ago. Thanks for bringing back those
memories! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????? (Steve Beaty)
Subject: good news and bad news...


	the good news is i've done some improvements on the WWW page
	that should make things easier to browse.  i've also added
	some more pictures that were donated.  the bad news is that
	all of this won't be available over the weekend due to a
	shutdown...  all should be fine by Monday or Tuesday...


Steve "When in doubt, logout" Beaty                         ?????????????????
Cray Computer Corporation                     ???????????????????????????????
1110 Bayfield Drive                  http://www.craycos.com/~beaty/steve.html
Colorado Springs, Colorado, 80906       tel (719) 540-4129 fax (719) 540-4028 

[ Thank you for supporting us on the Web! I'll look forward to reading
the new improved page. -S. ]

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From: Alan Karp <???????????????>
Subject: New Member

I have smoked a pipe for over 20 years. My favorites are Dunhills, some of 
which I bought new and others used. For many years I got my tobacco from 
A.Garfinkel in Washington D.C. and although I live in California Mr. Garfinkel 
would ship me tobacco 3 times year. He has gone out of business and I have 
just smoked my last bowl of an old friend, an English tobacco Called 
"SHOTERY". Has anybody enjoyed this heavenly delight? Perhaps somebody could 
help me locate it.
Alan Karp                 " Take risks: if you win, you
                            will be happy; if you lose,    
                            you will be wise. "                          

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From: Sheldon Richman <???????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest

Thanks for the material you sent.  I found it very interesting and look forwrd
to future issues.

My father was a pipe and cigar smoker.  I have smoked both on and off
for years.  But for some reason I went into a hiatus in the early
'80s. I resumed my love affair with the cigar a few months ago.  I
smoke a pipe occasionally.  I have a good briar pipe my father bought
me years ago, but I also like corn cobs.  Lately I've smoked tobacco
604 from W. Curtis Draper in Washington D.C.

But I am more interested in cigars now.  My budget does not allow me
to indulge too often in the premium stuff.  But I've recently has an
Arturo Fuente, Punch, Vueltabajo, Bauza, Don Diego, Canaria D'Oro, La
Primadora, and others.  My mainstays have been Cuesta-Rey, Bering, and
Muniemakers.  I recently bought a bunch of Georgetown Zombies
(robustos and Lonsdales) from Georgetown Tobacco and some J*R
Alternatives to Cohiba robustos.  I've never had a Cohiba, so I can't
vouch for any similarity.  But they're pretty good and 20 cost $20.  I
don't know what I'll try next.  I'm tempted to buy a big H. Uppman.  I
am partial right now to robustos because I usually don't have time to
smoke a longer cigar; my office is in a no-smoking building.  I like
the big girth and have lost my interest in thin cigars.  I like strong
cigars and enjoy smoking early in the morning (really, anytime).

I wish the Cuban embargo would end so someone besides politicians and
those who travel could get some good Havanas.

I made my own humidor using a Rubbermaid box, a sponge soaked in
distilled water and stuffed into a vented Bering Imperial tube, and a
Radio Shack hygrometer.  So far so good.

What I especially like about cigar smoking is the camaraderie among cigar and
pipe smokers.  There's nothing like it.

Thanks for the good work of you and your colleagues.

Sheldon Richman

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Several items.....

  This evening BRIARMAN & I smoked a blend of tobacco reported to be a match
of Escudo (# 966 - Merlin's Choice).  I received it from Cornell & Diehl.  It
is a fine English blend and may become a regular in my rotation, but it is
not Cope's Escudo.  It is not pressed and seems to lack the perique
influences that set Escudo apart.  

   All of Mr. Craig Tarler's blends are priced right (by California
standards) at a reasonable $12.75 / LB.  He sells by the pound, but has a
sampler (5 pouches - 2 Oz. each - your choice) for $15.00.  There are hundreds
 of blends to choose from including a nice (mellower) 965 clone.  His claim
is to match any sample you provide.  I give him points for the effort even if
it's slightly off.  Briarman & I are planning to test many other blends.

   Cornell & Diehl
   (800) 433 - 0080
   Morganton, NC

   On another matter:  Many readers ask ' I'm visiting _____.  Does anyone
know of a smoke shop?'  

   Add a copy of Cigar Aficionado's BUYING GUIDE TO PREMIUM CIGARS.  Aside
from cigar info, ratings, and articles, this book has an extensive listing of
national cigar / pipe stores.  It doesn't rate the shops, but it covers the
US pretty well (name, address, phone) and has a few foreigh outlets.  

   CA also has a book covering cigar friendly restaurants.  I haven't gotten
to the second volume yet, but both books can be obtained by calling CA at
(800) 992 - 2442.  Each costs $10.  Well worth it I think
PS: These volumes won't fit into regular pockets, but should take up almost
no space in an overnight bag.  The cigar book is particularly good reading on
'smoke free'  fleights.  Especially when displayed prominently!

   All for now.   Smoke in peace.

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Cigars

Hi STeve,
Thanks for letting me join the club!! I did not see my name listed in the new
members directory, I hope it will be.

Anyway, I went to Dunhill's today and smoked a terrific Monte Cristo Cigar
and am about to purchase a humidor from the store.  I just started smoking
cigars and I live in Beverly Hills and there is a new cigar club opening.  It
will be a private Cigar room promoted by Arnold Schwartzanager and Milton
Berle.  I can't wait!!1
I hope someone will E-mail me so I can make contact with other Cigar smokers
in Los Angeles.

Thanks, Bardene

[ We'd love to have your word on this club when it opens! -S. ]

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From: "Joseph M. Johnston" <??????????????????????????>
Subject: Doing the same for Cigars.


     I just tinkered around and put up a Cigar Homepage (http://
astro.ocis.temple.edu/~joejohn/cigar.html).  I was wondering how
complicated it would be to do threaded digests of alt.smokers.cigars??

      Thought you might be the person to ask.  My unix computer knowledge
is limited, but I assume all it takez is the right program.

      Can it be done with newsgroups??

      I'd appreciate any advice (even if it's you don't know what you are
getting yourself into).


[ Without going into detail, something like what you want is possible,
and probably not too much work. But I'm not wuite sure what you mean
by "threaded" (hypertext, or just followup threads?) -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Southwest Pipe and Cigar League

Dear Steve -

Just finished the latest newsletter for our club, the Southwest Pipe & Cigar
League.  I'm passing it along to you in the event that you might find it
worth putting in the next digest.  Thought it would be a good way to give
everyone an idea of what our club's about.  I'm hoping it also might spark
some interest on the part of any members of our Net group who live in So.
California.  This piece is rather long, so please feel free to edit out
anything you think necessary.  If you feel the whole thing's just not worth
taking up the space with, then I'll abide by your decision.

Also - if you have a smokers' rights category in the resource guide I'd
appreciate it if you could add this entry:

Californians for Smokers' Rights
P.O. Box 19022
Sacramento, CA  95819

Membership is $10/year - and please see what I have to say about this
organization in my newsletter!

Thanks, Steve - and keep up the good work!

Best Regards and Peaceful Puffing,

Steve J. (aka Briar Man)



It's newsletter time yet again, so here we go...

	The January meeting saw us back at Fratello's.  It was a
small, but cozy gathering this time, and it was good to be back with
you again.  Thanks go to Roy Fazalare for bringing in some premium
tinned tobaccos, which gave some of us the chance to acquire additions
to our 'backy collections.  Incidentally, Roy has operated off and on
as V.S.O.P. Tobacco & Gifts.  This business activity at one time
included his own hand-blended tobaccos.  He's getting back into doing
this, and he should have his blends available again soon.  I
understand that he has made some very decent stuff, and I, for one am
looking forward to sampling the results of his skill.  We'll let you
know as soon as he's ready to start selling.

	Our February meeting will be at new location - and this one I
think you'll really like.  The place is called Scotland Yard, and it's
an authentic English pub (details are on the flyer).  Our
secretary/treasurer Jerry Lustig discovered it a couple of weeks ago,
and we both had lunch there recently.
 And a delightful place it is, too.  They feature a full bar with some great
things on tap (including their own microbrewery ale), a nice menu of
pub-style food - and they're pipe and cigar friendly to boot !  In short, it
should make for quite a convivial meeting place, so I hope we'll have a good

	As all of you know, finding places that will allow pipe and
cigar smoking is difficult (and even more so now that we have the AB
13 smoking ban).  This being the case, his discovery of Scotland Yard
has given Jerry an idea I thought would be worth passing on.  The idea
is this: To find similar locations in L.A. and Orange counties.  And
here's where we could use some help from our members who're willing to
do some scouting around.  Here are the requirements.  Firstly, the
place should be owned/run by someone from the U.K. - reason being that
they will be open to pipe and cigar smoking, whereas in most bars it's
a no-no.  Secondly, it should serve food.  Thirdly, there needs to be
adequate space for us (enough for about 20-25 additional bodies),
including some table tops that can be taken up by those who bring
stuff for sale and/or trade.  And last (but not least), we must be
able to hold our meetings on Sunday afternoons.  Anyone finding such a
location should get in touch with either myself or Jerry, and we'll be
more than happy to give the place a try.  Given the fact that our
membership is spread out all over the place it makes sense for us to
have a number of different locations to meet at.  Your assistance in
this would therefore be in everyone's best interests, and it will be
very much appreciated!

	And now on to Expo news.  We now have the dates secured for
our '95 Pipe and Cigar Expo, which means that I can officially
announce that it will be held on the weekend of September 9th and
10th.  Unfortunately the Marriott had nothing available in October and
November, but at least we'll be able to keep our show at the same
hotel.  And I have it on good authority that the weekend after Labor
Day ain't a bad time to have a show, so I expect that we'll do very
well - especially with the help we'll be getting from Jack
Ehrmantraut. I talked with Jack the other day (for one thing, I needed
to thank him for the very positive writeup he did on the '94 Expo in
the PCI newsletter).  He told me about what he'll be doing to help us
promote the Expo throughout the year, and also what kind of effect it
might have on table sales and attendance.  All I can say is that
Jack's help will be a major asset, and we can expect some major
improvements in '95 as a result.

	I have also been in contact with Linwood Hines, who's active
with the Conclave of Richmond Pipe Smokers (CORPS).  I have discussed
this year's Expo with him, and he's in agreement with me about getting
some of the CORPS membership involved with the L.A. show.  Linwood
told me that he'll be bringing this issue up at their meeting on
January 24th.  I also want to mention that our new friend, Chicago
pipe collector Ed Lehmann has indicated that he'll be bringing some
other collectors in the Chicago club with him to the show.  Bottom
line is this - Messrs. Ehrmantraut, Hines and Lehmann are helping us
build a national reputation for the L.A. Expo.  This is very important
because we have the potential for becoming a major national event in
the world of pipes and cigars.  Since it is the aim of our club to
defend and promote pipe and cigar smoking (as well as pipe
collecting), it behooves us realize that potential.  Now that we have
some assistance from other quarters, I feel confident we're now on the
road to doing so.

	In a previous newsletter I mentioned that we need more help
from our membership in terms of organizing and running the '95 Expo.
I want to remind everyone about this.  Also, all of you need to know
that the next two shows ('95 and '96) will be a buildup to '97, when
we'll be hosting the PCI National convention.  This show will probably
be the biggest pipe and cigar event we'll ever have on the west coast.
We must be well-prepared, and this makes it even more important for us
to function as a team in putting on our annual shows.

	The Expo is, among other things, a showcase event for our club
- our chance to show the rest of the country what we're capable of
accomplishing.  And those of us dedicated to maintaining a future for
pipe and cigar smoking understand the absolute importance of having
these events take place - that's why we go to the trouble of doing it
to begin with.  I know that the '95 Expo is still over 7 months away,
but I would like you to give some thought as to what you can do to
help us out.  I'll be putting periodic reminders in this newsletter
over the coming months, and in the meantime I'd like to hear from
those of you who want to be a part of the effort we'll be making with
this year's Expo.  Those of you wanting to get in touch with me can
call me at home - (310)820-9706.


	Well, yours truly finally joined Californians for Smokers'
Rights.  I'd been putting it off for awhile, but after the statewide
smoking ban went into effect on the 1st I decided it was about time.
After I joined up I received a very nice phone call from CSR Vice
President Otto Mueksch, who lives in North Hollywood.  We talked for a
good time, and in the course of our conversation I found out just how
well-informed he (and the CSR leadership in general) is.  In a word -
these people know their stuff, and I was quite impressed with how much
they know, about the scientific/medical aspects of the secondhand
smoke debate, as well as who our opposition is.  CSR is in every sense
of the word a grass-roots organization.  After getting to know CSR
through Mr. Mueksch I feel strongly that it is well able to put up an
effective fight.  I therefore urge ALL of you to join if you haven't
already. Membership is $10/year, and you can write to CSR at: P.O. Box
19022, Sacramento, CA 95819.

	Incidentally, a letter I sent with my CSR membership prompted
its President, Bob Merrill to send me a couple of very interesting
documents.  One I already had, but the other one was new to me - and
what an eye-opener!  It is a 69-page report by congressman Thomas
J. Bliley, Jr. consisting of his testimony before congress made in
July, 1993 on the EPA's work concerning secondhand smoke.  I won't go
into detail here, but I will say that his report is a powerful
indictment, not only of the EPA, but also of the people who have
corrupted science to further their social agenda.  At the time
Mr. Bliley gave his testimony his efforts were being blocked by Henry
Waxman.  Now that Waxman's out and Bliley is in power it is very
likely that we'll see some great things taking place.  And one thing's
for sure - after reading his report I now understand the full
signficance of having Mr. Bliley in his current congressional
position.  Watch out, folks - the fight ain't over yet!

That's it for now.  See you in February!

Steve Johnson

[ There are a few entries in the Guide for smokers' rights
organizations, and a grass-roots group such as CSR is a welcome
addition. Coincidence Dept: Last week's Snappy Comeback featured the
California approach; now we get to do New York (which also enacted
smoker-hostile legislation immediately after the election was over.)
Keep up the good work too, Steve! -S. ]

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                       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(The Hell's Kitchen Kiss-off:) "What difference does it make? You'll
still be ugly." 
                                - From "101 Ways to Answer the
                                  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
                                  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #174 -- January 22, 1995
  2. Subject: Wanted: info on So Cal/AZ/NV cigar/pipe stores
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- January 15, 1995
  4. Subject: RE: PD #173 -- Clay Pipe Question
  5. Subject: Re: Cigar Homepage
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- January 15, 1995
  7. Subject: Hello
  8. Subject: Introducing myself
  9. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- January 15, 1995
  10. Subject: Pipes Digest (PIPE)
  11. Subject: Re: Moderated mailgroup for cigars, pipes, fine tobacco
  12. Subject: Re: Back issues
  13. Subject: New subscriber
  14. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #173 -- Janu...
  15. Subject: A Columbus, Ohio smokers' club
  16. Subject: The Pipe Palate
  17. Subject: Re: Pipe Digest
  18. Subject: Re: P.D.
  19. Subject: to join pipes mailgroup
  20. Subject: Where do I get one?
  21. Subject: New Member - Response
  22. Subject: pipes from Gouda
  23. Subject: Pipes in the movies
  24. Subject: subscription request
  25. Subject: for the digest
  26. Subject: Appreciation
  27. Subject: New Subscriber Bio
  28. Subject: The Smoker's Own Book Of Poetry
  29. Subject: good news and bad news...
  30. Subject: New Member
  31. Subject: Pipe Digest
  32. Subject: Several items.....
  33. Subject: Cigars
  34. Subject: Doing the same for Cigars.
  35. Subject: Southwest Pipe and Cigar League
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