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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #177 -- February 12, 1995

		Pipes Digest #177 -- February 12, 1995
		     Circulation this issue: 842

Welcome to new members:

	 John Palmer			(????????????????)
	 Jason C. Helmick		(????????????????????)
	 Dennis Yaremich		(???????????????????)
	 ???				(????????????????)
	 Bill				(??????????????????)
	 David J. Kunath		(????????????????????????????)
	 Mark Rice			(???????????????)
	 James Ehrler			(??????????????)
	 Craig Lewis			(?????????????????????)
	 Vern Turney			(?????????????????????????)
	 Samuel J. Freund		(??????????????????)
	 ???				(???????????????)
	 Larry K. Iwaki			(?????????????????????????)
	 John Thomas DeAtley		(??????????????????)
	 Jeff Coats			(???????????????)
	 Christopher			(???????????????)
	 ???				(????????????????????????)
	 David Lee Thatcher		(????????????????????????????)
	 Ervin E. Baumeyer		(?????????????????)
	 James R. Kobleur		(???????????????????)
	 Steve A. George		(??????????????????)
	 Joop Pieterse			(???????????????????)
	 Eduardo Andre Teixeira Ayrosa	(?????????????????????)
	 Tony Acevedo			(???????????????????????????)
	 Francis Giles			(????????????)
	 ???				(?????????????????)
	 Berwin A. Turlach		(??????????????????????????)
	 ???				(?????????????????)
	 Jim				(????????????)
	 Marc Silver			(???????????????)
	 Ken Rieck			(?????????????????????)
	 Chris Dillard			(????????????????)

Administrative note: A final call on the Big Smoke stickers. On
Tuesday, Feb. 14, I'll be mailing out the ID stickers for the
Washington, DC "Big Smoke." This meeting and demonstration promises to
be a seminal event in cigar history; we hope it will underline to our
leaders that bashing and Prohibition are not acceptable. A lot of
folks from both the alt.smokers.cigars newsgroup and the Pipes
Mailgroup will be in attendance. If you'd like to know what the people
you've been e-puffing with look like, please send me your snailmail
address before Feb. 14, so that we can all recognize each other! (Of
course, if you'd rather come incognito, we can accommodate this too

Also, we have a few items about the mailgroup's advertising policy
below; please let us know how you feel about it. My intent is, of
course, to keep the Digest like kind of a club; but there's no reason
that the club members shouldn't have timely information that can help

And now join us, with favorite tobak in hand, as we take up European
geography, angelic accoutrements, (some of) our nation's capital,
Utah, missing persons, sideburns (they're back!), bubinga trees,
telephone directories, the magazine industry, German adjectives, and
bright mutations...

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             Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
                        Call -- Write -- Vote
                        Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...

Thank you for adding me to the Pipes Digest subscription list!

I am the Catalog Sales Manager for Georgetown Tobacco in Washington,
DC.  I reciently subscribed to AOL because I was curious about the
extent of the interest and exposure that is devoted to cigars and
pipes on the internet. It was gratifying to see the lively exchange of
tobacco related communication on the AOL message boards and to have
found your news group.

I do not intend to launch an aggressive on line marketing campaign.  I was
more interested in finding out that if someone on line was seeking the type
of service that we (Georgetown Tobacco) offer, they would be able to find us.

I was pleased to find Georgetown Tobacco listed on your resource
guide. There is some information I would like to add to that listing:

toll free:  (800) 345-1459
fax:  (202) 338-0008
E-mail:  ??????????????
We currently have three different brochures dedicated to cigars, house
tobaccos and accessories.

I noted that a one time commercial entry to Pipes Digest is available, and
since there was no Pipes Digest issue reference number, I assume that we have
not been listed in the publication.  Georgetown Tobacco's 31st Anniversary
Sale will be coming up in mid March.  I would be interested in announcing
this sale in the near future.

Any advice you could give me regarding placing a commercial listing
--tactfully and within the norms of your group-- would be greatly
appreciated.  If there is any information you need from me, please don't
hesitate to e-mail or call.

Walter Gorski

[ Information amended, Walter! Other members, please see my response
to Walt below. -S. ]

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From: Steve Masticola <?????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...

Hi, Walter,

Re commercial listing, I would suggest setting up an on-line catalog
as a Web page somewhere, especially if you can scan in the color
pictures of pipes and other articles in your catalog. Don't know
whether aol supports Web pages or not; check with your local sysadmin
(or contact other services that support Web pages) If you put up a Web
page, I'd be glad to put its URL in the Resource Guide.

BTW, I'd recommend _against_ accepting orders by email. It is a good
way for customers to get their credit card numbers stolen, and for you
to get forged orders. I personally never send my credit card number
over the net. Maybe someday, when mail security gets better...

Also, there's a "catalog of catalogs" that you might be able to place
your name on. It has a tobacco category. The URL is http://catalog.savvy.com.

Regarding sales, I think a short, tasteful message announcing the sale
would be fine for a Digest submission. After all, the pipe smokers on
the net are looking for a good bargain too! :-) I'll put your message
in the next Digest, and will also post this response.

Smoke in peace,
~\U Steve.

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From: ????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #175 -- Janu...


Thanks... Enjoying pipe digest....and passing it around the pipe club
(CORPS).  I do this via a disk and a printed version when appropriate.
Thanks for mentioning the CORPS in several of your comments to other

We have had several inquiries on our phone PIPE LINE, and several positive
comments on AOL.......on the WINE and DINE message boards.

Keep up the good work.

May the good fairy of PERIQUE bless all your pipes....... Valts

[ Well, CORPS has done a lot for the hobby, Valts, and I'm glad to
reciprocate! -S. ]

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From: Joachim Posegga <??????????????????>
Subject: German Tobacco & Pipes

???????????????? writes:

> ...  I'm e-mailing my inquiry about the tobacco quality directly to Mr.
> Posegga, but I thought I'd throw it out to all of you in case someone has
> anything to say on the subject.  Anyone with information on either the Dan
> Pipe tobaccos or my Customs question should e-mail it to me,
> ?????????????????  I'll be most grateful for any responses I get!

I did not get the message directly, but saw it in the digest. As my
personal preference is in English mixtures, I am certainly not on expert
when it comes to answering. However, I will try to do my best ...

> The other thing is:  What about the tobaccos themselves?  I
> understand that German tobaccos generally don't enjoy a very good
> reputation over here.

First a short note: likewise to English tobacco, the notion 'German
tobacco' refers to tobacco blended in Germany: there is very little
tobacco grown here and that wee bit that is grown goes into
cigarettes. Thus, we are talking about the quality of blending

The majority of all tobacco sold in Germany was in fact not been blended
here, but is imported from Denmark or England. My local tobacconist once
estimated that 20% of what he sells is Latakia-based English mixtures
and 60% is Danish. Thus, the average taste of the German pipe smoker (I
am excusing in advance for this generalisation!) is clearly oriented
towards Danish-style aromatics. This is in fact also what I picture as
German tobacco.  I cannot say much more, since I haven't smoked aromatic
tobaccos since quite a while and therefore I cannot compare
them. However, I doubt that products blended in Germany (if they exist)
are much worse than the others, since the competition is strong and
prices do not differ significantly.

As to the tobaccos of Dan Pipe: Dan Pipe is actually a subsidy of a
Danish company with the same name. Their selection is quite different
from what you typically find at German tobacconists. This is probably
necessary for them, since there would be little reason to use their mail
order service, otherwise: tobacconists are quite frequent over here,
and a selection of 50+ tobaccos is standard.

I personally tried two out of Dan Pipe's London mixture series, and was
quite satisfied: both in price and quality it was comparable to the
Dunhill products. However, if you have to pay US tax on top of their
prices, the tins might end up being twice as expensive as Dunhill's
mixtures in the US. I certainly would not pay so much extra for them, at
least not for more than one tin out of curiosity.

If you plan to order pipes, be aware that the pipe will come for being
used with 9mm filters, unless stated explicitly otherwise. In my
experience, it results in wet smoke if you smoke such pipes without any
filters. A good compromise for me is to use Savinelly Balsa filters,
although I clearly prefer filterless pipes. Most handmade pipes offered
by Dan Pipe, however, should in fact be available in filterless versions
upon special request.


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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...

     Just got your Pipes Digest info, wow, had to print it all. This is going
to take a couple of bowl fulls to read through. 
     I prefer pre 70`s Dunhills and any Ashton`s. My tobac of choice, at the
moment, is St. Bruno flake ( yum ). But my mood does change from time to
time. As a rule I prefer to stay away from the aromatics and stick to English
     Im gonna go now and start reading the digest and cloud the room up. 
     Thanks again and my you wear a smoke ring for a halo.
                                        Mark ( Red Briar ) Vermillion

[ Thanks, Mark, but St. Nicholas has the only smoke-ring halo (or
wreath) that I know of... -S. ]

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From: "Thomas Allen Hendricks" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re:  PD subscription request

....Just talked to Craig Tarlton of Cornell & Diehl...he said you're one of
his customers (and that Internet people are smarter than his other customers
:-{)>)...a small world keeps getting smaller...

Also, being a poor college student and living so far away, I obviously will
not be able to attend the D.C. Big Smoke with you and other PD'er's and
a.s.c.'ers, but there will be some people there I'd like you to meet...I
have only recently gotten to know them through my letter in Cigar
Afficionado (eek, I'm *still* getting mail and phonecalls)  I have told them
about our wonderful group (with you as our fearless leader, of course :-) )
and they are eager to join...although they are in various stages of
overcoming "Computerphobia"  These people are the following...

Ken Golner--He's from a small town in New Hampshire...actually, his name is
    in CA, too (under "Granite State Cigar Society")
Jim Johnson--He lives in Matthews, North Carolina--he actually sent me a
    package of his favorite cigars without knowing anything about me--after
    speaking with him a number of times, I think he's one of the nicest guys
    you'd ever want to meet...
Rick Palmer--He lives in Jersey City (is that anywhere close to you?--I
    never have been able to figure out exactly where you are...)  He went to
    the trouble of finding my phone number through information and since
    then, he has been calling me about three times a week just to talk...he
    has even begun sending me cigars--his everyday cigar, in fact (a Special
    Jamaican Rey del Rey--9 x 60)  He's glad to know someone, especially my
    age, who likes this size as much as he does!

[ Interesting stuff deleted to protect a nonmember from possible
harassment, as I explained to Tom in a separate email. Tom, I hope
you'll pass my concerns on to the parties involved. But I still hope
to meet with the missing men... -S. ]

Anyway, I don't have addresses or phone numbers with me at the moment, but I
just wanted to let you know (off the record) that there are several people
out there who would like to communicate via computer and meet you in D.C...

Thomas Allen Hendricks           "...and at his funeral, all his
413 Carter Street                 friends stood around, looking sad...
Stanford, IL 61774                But they were really thinking about
(309) 379-4491 or (309) 828-7025  all the ham and cheese sandwiches
Cogito igitur sum; itaque non es. in the next room"--Laurie Anderson

[ Looking forward to meeting them, Tom! I know that at least one on
the list will be sporting the PD badge. Looking forward to meeting as
many of the others as I can manage... it's shaping up to be a heckuva
night! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- Febr...


Regarding this note in the Digest:

>>Administrative note: Some of the folx on alt.smokers.cigars (including
myself) are arranging a get-together and group picture at the
Washington, DC "Big Smoke" on March 1. If you'd like to join in,
please send me your snailmail address so that I can send you an ID
sticker. We'll have two: one for a.s.c., and one for the Pipes Digest.<<

In case you forgot, I was the one who suggested 2 stickers. As a devotee of
both passions and a participant of both groups, I would be honored to bear
the cybernames, with pride and dignity<g>.


[ Let it not be forgotten... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (Brookfield Economics Institute (U.S.A.) Limited)

Regarding ????????????????, who shops at Cigar Warehouse in Sherman Oaks,
but is more interested in pipes.

Try Gus' Smoke Shop, which is further East on Ventura Boulevard and also in
Sherman Oaks. This is a great pipe store. A picture of it is in Hacker's
Pipe book, in fact.

Their house blends are quite good, too. Notable is Jolly Whaler, a 40%
latakia blend (!).  They stock some interesting tinned tobaks, such as Copes
Escudo, the major Dunhill blends, 3 Nuns, and some nice aromatics made by
Stokebye and Erik Larson which are really good. Highly recommended. Their
new and estate pipe selection is very nice, as well. Very high quality.
Great, friendly staff.

Their cigar selection is small and expensive, but decent. You can get
Partagas #10s, for instance, although two cigars I bought there recently
were rather dry and not entirely pleasent.

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From: Robert J Silverman <??????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- February 5, 1995 

Last week Kevin Cook noted that he had purchased a Tim West pipe in Buffalo and
noted his interest in receiving a catalog from this pipe maker. Tim has been 
making pipes in Columbus since 1967 and also does pipe repairs.  His address is
1588 Grayling Court, Columbus, Ohio 43235  (614) 761-3465.  I have seen Tim's 
work at craft shows here in Columbus and for a time he had his own shop. 
Recently I purchased a most interesting piece, made of Grecian briar.  It is a
deep needle carved surface (hand carved) in a Canadian shape.  It smokes
exceedingly well.  This line of his runs from about 70 to 125 dollars.  When I
spoke with him at a craft show recently he told me that he enjoys working off
of customer-generated designs. His work has a special character-- a kind of 
American Primitive.  I do not mean by this that it is not expertly crafted but 
that it has an aesthetic feel to it that will remind you of this genre.
Bob Silverman

[ Thanks, Bob! I have a Tim West original large egg-shaped bent that
he did on special order for me a while back. It's nice work, but I'm
afraid we talked each other into making the tobacco hole impractically
large, so it doesn't really smoke well. Not Tim's fault. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- Febr...

For your resource guide, please add Jeanie's Smoke Shop in Salt Lake City,
156 South State Street, 84111 [(801)-322-2817].  Jeanie's has been around a
very long time, and is quite well-stocked for its size (and for the town).
They do phone orders, as far as I know.

[ Thanks for the addition! I didn't have any tobacconists in
Utah. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: How To Evaluate Fine Tobaccos--Barry Levin

Date: Wednesday, February 8, 1995
Time: 12:29 AM

Perusing through the Winter-Spring 1994 issue of the Pipes Smoker's Ephemeris
I came upon an interesting article sent in by the late Barry Levin. The
article was a guide to evaluating fine tobaccos. It covers the topics of
aroma, appearance, moisture, flavor, burning, and aging.
                  How To Evaluate Fine Tobaccos

I was having dinner the other night with a respected friend and client,
caught up in a lively discussion about the particular properties of quality
tobaccos. During the conversation, my friend suggested that I share some of
the background of what goes into the development of our tobaccos.

Although I'm what corporate America might label "marketing-driven", I
realized my experiences in developing out products have given me some pretty
intense knowledge of tobacco. I've smoked and sampled thousands of blends,
ranging from the old-time classics to experimental mixtures that never
survived past the first bowlful!

My friend suggested that many, if not most enthusiasts don't have a clear
picture of just what is involved in creating pipe tobacco blends. It occurred
to me that by sharing the process, my experiences could also serve as a guide
to evaluating all tobaccos. I've decided to comment on the key
characteristics that blenders consider critical to developing a harmonious
blend to satisfy all of the senses.


Ideally, there should be some relationship between the pouch aroma and the
smoking aroma. This is not to suggest that it should smell the same in the
pouch as in the smoke, but the aromas should be consistent; harmonious. There
should not be a shocking discrepancy between what's _expected_ from the smoke
and what is actually delivered.

When smoking the tobacco, we carefully consider the 'nose' off the bowl when
the pipe is warm. We judge the nose when the bowl is warm and not really
putting off smoke. Try it! To gently draw a warm bowl past your nose can be
one of the great and seldom appreciated pleasures of pipe smoking. The aromas
can be so rich and wonderful, adding immense pleasures to the overall aroma.
Not doing this leaves an entire dimensio out of the picture.

With English or Balkan blends (Turkish, Latakia predominant), the aroma will
be delightfully pungent. Virginias will yield a sweet aroma, which comes, in
part, from the caramelizing of the sugars.


Generally speaking, tobaccos darken with age. It is my opinion that extremely
bright tobaccos tend to smoke hot. Many of these "bright" tobaccos have high
sugar content, but without sufficient curing they will never give up their
sugars to the smoker.

I suppose this is the one reason I'm particularly fond of "stoving" Virginia
tobaccos. Beginning with a golden leaf, the proces of stoving with heat and
pressure accelerates the conversion of starches in the leaf to rich sugars.
The dark color is a combination of caramelizing sugars combining with the
oils in the leaf.

We also look for sugar crystals on the finished product to develop over time
in the tin. We're talking years, here, so you must be patient. Crystalization
is usually a good indicator of advancing age and a well-cured tobacco.

Don't mistake mold for sugar and vice versa! Moldy tobacco will have a
distinct musty odor and the white flecks on the tobacco are powdery. An
examination in sunlight will bring out the sparkle of sugar crystals. It's
best to view all tobaccos in natural sunlight so you can observe the color
and crystal development. A blend's aesthetic appearance is an important added
pleasure. Beautiful colors and contrasts, different cuts and presentations
really enhance the experience.


This is one of the truly misunderstood aspects of tobacco. A pipe tobacco
with too much moisture will exude this as steam during smoking, making it hot
and irritating to the mouth. Part of this heat is caused by the extra puffing
that must be done to counteract the moisture and keep the tobacco burning.
Your puffing acts like a bellows on a fire--great for a fire, but not for a

Overly dry tobacco will tend to crumble to powder when packed in the bowl. It
will burn so quickly that the flavor has no time to develop. What's the best
condition for smoking? Slightly dry, rather than slightly moist is best. The
tobacco should be elastic, but never spongy. If a piece crumbles between your
thumb and forefinger when pressed, it's too dry. If you press a few bits of
the tobacco together and they give, but stick together for only a moment, the
tobacco's just about right.

When you open a tin, you must assess the condition of the tobacco and act
accordingly. Vintage tobaccos in older tins may be dry when opened. There are
many opinions abot the best way to re-humidify dry tobaccos. I feel the best
is to carefully remove the tobacco to a zip-close bag and lightly mist the
tobacco using bottled water. Close the bag and test the tobacco in a few days
for moisture. Continue doing this until it's just right.

Putting dry tobacco in a container with a humidification element seldom
imparts enough moisture to the blend to render it smokeable. Some enthusiasts
say that water should never directly contact dry tobacco because it can
promote mold. My feeling is if mold has already permeated tobacco but isn't
visible, the tobacco is already ruined.

If the tobacco is a bit too moist, spread it on a large plate and let it dry
under your diligent observation. If it has no added humectants, it will
quickly reach the right moisture content in all but the most humid weather
and should be placed back in the tin immediately, if a tight fitting lid is
available. Without a tight-sealing tin, your best bet may be a zip-close bag.


This is what most people key on when picking a tobacco. It's also the
trickiest element. Flavor is predominantly made up of aroma and these two
aspects are really inseparable. Witness the fact of how little you taste with
a stuffed nose! Chances are if you like the aroma (if it's an uncased
tobacco), you'll like the taste.

Most blends are evaluated based on consistency of smoking qualities from the
first puff to the bottom of the bowl. However, this is somewhat unfair, as
_all_ tobaccos will change substantially during smoking. The tobaccos below
the burning level will collect condensed oils and moisture from above,
concentrating as the tobacco burns down. The key is whether the flavor is
pleasant all the way down--not necessarily the same.

The wetter the tobacco, the more moisture will condense as you smoke, usually
creating an unpleasant flavor. Drier tobaccos tend to smoke cleaner, which is
why a slightly dry tobacco is recommended for smoking. Flavor should be
judged within a band, and neither end should be unpleasant. Most blends have
a "peak zone," which yields the best smoke of the bowl. But you shouldn't
have to endure a foul beginning to get to the good part, nor should you
suffer in order to smoke all the way to the bottom.


Not only will moisture affect burning, but also the density of the cut.
Straight pressed flake will be quite dense and will burn unevenly, which is
why you must either rub it out in your hands or whiz it in a food processor.
A rougher cut will generally burn more slowly than a fine cut, changing the
temperature as well as the flavors that develop. A fine cut tobacco should be
slightly more moist to counteract this tendency to burn hot and fast.

A combination of rough and fine cuts will also affedt the burning rate.
Careful blenders spend a lot of time determining not only the mix of leaf,
but the various cuts utilized. The same tobaccos, cut differently, can taste,
smell and smoke very differently. With pressed flake, you the smoker perform
this function, deciding how fine the final blends will be.


The last aspect I'll cover in this overview is one of the most important.
Leaf is aged before processing to prepare the blend and set the oils and
sugars in the leaf. If the processing is done correctly, the real magic
happens in the tin.

Over years, quality tobaccos will begin to mellow and develop complexities
not found earlier on. The aromas and flavors intensify, and the smoke
softens. This is not a controllable process. Some tins will change only a
little. This is especially true for leaf with lower sugar content, such as
burley or Turkish, which is also the base leaf for Latakia. Virginias tend to
change quite a bit with age.

I find that aging generally takes one of three directions: fruity, musty, or
sour. Sugars intensify, flavors marry, and you often end up with a tobacco
that tastes dramatically different than it did when it was originally tinned.
I have tasted tobaccos that were delicious when tenned 25 years ago and have
become even grander with age.

A fine wine is always good, but it too can improve with years in the bottle.
tHis is also true for tobacco, which is why I recommend cellaring a portion
of your favorite tobaccos. All wine, however, will go bad with too much age
unless it's fortified with alcohol, like port, which can improve for a
century or more. There is less chance, however, that a tobacco will turn bad
after several years--as long as the tin's seal isn't damaged.

Predominantly Virginia blends, if they change at all, will either turn
slightly sour or fruity. English blends with Virginia leaf may turn a bit
fruity, sour or musty with aging, which can yield an interesting complexity.
Chances are, however, if a good natural product is properly tinned, it will
change for the better. There is simply no substitute for aging to achieve the
charactersitics of a fine, old tobacco. Aging is one of the beautiful
mysteries of tobacco cellaring. Seriously aged tobaccos are generally much
darker than when originally tinned and have developed visible sugar crystals.
The aroma from the tin is almost transcendental!

Ultimately, there is one rule of thumb: if you like the tobacco when it's
freshly tined, you'll like it after years of aging. It may be different, but
equally delightful and possibly superior.

I hope you don't mind the length. I first tried paraphrasing to shorten, but
the information was already pretty densely written.

Perhaps next week you shall read what Mr. Levin had to say about Oriental
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  ______U                    comrades inseparable.  

[ Thanks, Chris! I had Mr. Levin's pamphlet, but I'm glad you found
the time to type it in. One of these days, I'm going to excerpt the
material on acquiring an educated palate and put it in the FAQ. (Yes,
there is one; I think it's on the Web site.) -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????

        I have been receiving the newsletter for several months now, and I 
     suppose it is time to introduce myself as another reader.  I am 20 
     years old and currently attending Illinois Wesleyan University in 
     Bloomington, Illinois.  I do have a pipe, but tend to smoke cigars 
     more frequently.  Unfortunately, I often have to make a trip into 
     Chicago to either Iwan Reis or Up Down Tobacco to get the good stuff.  
     I tend to frequent Iwan Reis more often because the salesmen are more 
     my type.  However, the atmosphere of Up Down is far better.  Plus, Up 
     Down has Partagas Limited Reserve, a wonderful full flavored cigar.
        Along with the studying that comes along with college, I try to 
     sneak time in here and there to do woodworking.  This is the whole 
     reason I chose to write in.  I have a friend who I am indebted to for 
     all of the favors he has done for me in the past.  I thought it would 
     be a nice gesture to make him a humidor since he has been wanting one 
     for awhile.  I was wondering what kind of wood would be best suited 
     for the moisture retention.  I have seen that the expensive ones in 
     the tobacco shops are made of Rosewood, which is imported from several 
     countries.  However, the humidors I have examined look more like 
     African Rosewood, which is formerly called Bubinga.  If anyone has an 
     idea or suggestion on this, I would be interested to know the 
     Dax Young

[ Have you tried the Humidor FAQ, Dax? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re:Pipes and Cigar Digest...

Steve, I wanted to comment on the good professors' question regarding
"un-evenly" burning cigars.  I am sure that everyone has their own reason for
this phenonema however, a personal observation is that especially with
"larger" cigars, (ie: LGC Maduro Double Corona) I have found that they can
burn un-evenly, but tend to finish well.  Some things that work for me
include: rotating cigars during lighting; turning cigar so that the longer /
slower burning area is on top; and sometimes, even re-lighting the are not
burning well.  As I said these are some of the tricks I use, I am sure there
are other ways, or even better ways, but if it aint broke, .....  

Keep up the good work, and as I am hoping to make D.C., I look foreward to
meeting you.  


J. Mark Craib
aka Conch GOP

[ My own trick is to moisten the area at the base of the burn; this
usually works for me. For yet other tricks, see below. Looking forward
to meeting you too - just look for the group of guys with the artful
name tags! :-) -S. ]

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From: "Lawrence K. Iwaki" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: subscription to pipes newsgroup

    I was reading some of the older issues of your pipes forum and was 
greatly impressed. I am a graduate student at the University of Illinois 
and started smoking the pipe about 4 months ago. I currently have a small 
collection which includes Petersons, a Charatan, two churchwardens, and a 
gourd calabash. I would like to subscribe to your group if at all 
possible. Also, for the past month I have been attempting to call Kathy 
Levin at 1-408-477-0104 as listed in the resource guide but have been 
unsuccessful so far; I just get some kind of "busy signal" tone. I did 
actually get through once and talked to Kathy about sending me a catalog 
of the McClelland varieties that she sells but I still have yet to 
receive said item. Thanks.


[ If anyone has a new phone number for Kathy Levin, or information on
the status of that branch of LPI, please send it along! -S. ]

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From: "Timothy J. Haggerty" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- February 5, 1995

On Sideburns:

Duane Kight

wrote in the last digest about cigars that burn less than evenly around
their sides.  I've had a lot of cigars that do this, and, in my
contemplative moments, have decided that there are several explanations
for this behavior --

First, cigars burn at different rates.  The center of a cigar,
particularly if one is smoking quickly, will burn slower than the
outside edges, leaving the enber with a characteristic curve.  I'm sure
the physicists among us can explain this better than me.  In a
sideburning cigar, one of the edges had just gotten out of hand. 
Usually, (and if one catches it quick enough) putting the cigar down for
a while will equalize the behavior.  Also, smoking the cigar so the
slower burning edge is at the top of the cigar seems to help in a
just-beginning sideburn.  This is one of the practical advantages to
rotating the cigar in your mouth as you smoke it, rather than clamping
onto one spot for dear life.

Secondly, the way a cigar has been humidified effects the rate and way
it burns.  Anyone who has ever had a soggy cigar will know what I'm
talking about -- besides running the risk of the cigar splitting from
the water inside it, frequently the burn is v. uneven.  If you have a
series of bad cigars from the same bundle (particularly in a brand
you've been previously  happy with) think about equalizing their
humidification. If they're cello wrapped, unwrap them (I find cello
keeps moisture at the edge of the cigar); stick them in a veggie bag or
in your humidor and leave them alone for a couple of days. 

The construction of a cigar has something to do with this, as well.
Large ringed cigars seem to have more trouble with this than smaller
sizes; longer cigars than robustos.  I guess this is just the nature of
the beast -- there is more material, and more surface area to burn
unevenly.  I also have less problem with this occurring with Maduros
then EMS cigars, I have no idea why.  If putting the cigar down isn't
really an option (say you're driving), then (particularly with a big
cigar) I say fire it up -- Relight the cigar with a flamethrower and
burn the end even.  Not particularly elegant, but a lot of fun.  Also,
since you've gone this far, you can just chew on the thing and give up
on your Sean Connery imitation.

Finally, if the sideburn is _really_ bad, put it out and clip it flush. 
This is the advantage, by the way, of having a guillotine or scissor
cutter; you can cut the end straight.    

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From: ???????????????? (Jeremy Lakey)
Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars
Subject: Toll Fre Mail Order Cigars

I was browsing around in AT&T's homepage and found that their 800 directory
was to be found online!  I did a search on 'cigar' and found quite a few
mail order companies that have 800 #'s (I'm sure this will be very cool
for those who do not have good in-town sources.)  anyway, the list is
long, I don't know how many of these are or aren't in the directory that's
being kept on the net, but here goes.. (oh, sorry about the 80 column thing)

Adeline Smoke Shop,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Plummer, ID
800 2278296 

Alps Distributors ; Specialties Inc,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco
Dealers, Cerritos, CA 800 3282577 

American Tobacco Co The,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Chester,
VA 800 8432826 

American Tobacco Company, The,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers
Wholesale ; Manufacturers, Chester, VA 800 8482826 

Andreas Inc,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Kenosha, WI 800 8311684

Arango Cigar Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Skokie, IL 800 2224427

B ; W Cigar ; Tobacco,  Tobacco ; Tobacco Products, Murfreesboro, TN
800 8434604 

Brick Hanauer Co., Inc,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Waltham,
MA 800 2555556 

Camacho Cigars Inc,  Tobacco ; Tobacco Products, Miami, FL 800 3277705

Campa Import ; Export,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Miami, FL
800 6377964 

Chief Strike Ax Trading,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Pawhuska, OK 800 6828773 

Cigar Club, The,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Melrose Park, IL
800 6724427 

Cigar Humidors By Tomway Corp.,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Ft Lauderdale, FL 800 6790185 

Cigarette House The,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Kenly, NC 800 8420849

Cigarette Lighter Sales,  Advertising Specialties, Green Bay, WI 800 3262550

Consolidated Cigar Corp,  Tobacco ; Tobacco Products, Secaucus, NJ 800 2226644

Country Squire,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Jackson, MS 800 2228976

Cuba Aliados Cigars,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Miami, FL 800 9924427

Cuban Aliados Cigars Inc,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Union
City, NJ 800 3481412 

Davidoff Of Geneva,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Stamford, CT
800 3284365 

Don Pablo Cigar Co.,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Las Vegas,
NV 800 5374957 

E.A. Carey,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, N Canton, OH 800 9927427

Edward's Pipe ; Tobacco,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Richardson, TX 800 8519020 

Eli Witt Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Tampa, FL 800 2823539

Famous Smoke Shop Inc.,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, New York,
NY 800 6725544 

Fanco International, Inc.,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers
Wholesale ; Manufacturers, Tampa, FL 800 2377215 

Finck Cigar Company,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, San Antonio,
TX 800 2924427 

Fomseca Cigars,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Miami, FL 800 2382234

Fred Stoker ; Sons, Inc,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Dresden,
TN 800 2439377 

General Cigar Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Dothan, AL 800 8434058

Grave F D ; Son,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers  Wholesale ;
Manufacturers, New Haven, CT 800 8524427 

H J Bailey Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Neptune, NJ 800 4244277

House Of OPM Distributors,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers
Wholesale ; Manufacturers, Huntingdon Valley, PA 800 5224427 

Indianhead Sales A Northstar Import Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco
Dealers  Wholesale ; Manufacturers, Minneapolis, MN 800 9224858 

Iwan Ries Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Chicago, IL 800 6211457

J R Tobacco,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Fairfield, NJ 800 5724427

Las Vegas Cigar Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Las Vegas, NV
800 4324277 

Life's A Drag Cigar Club,  Mail Order ; Catalog Shopping, Downers
Grove, IL 800 8678331 

Luis Martinez Cigar Co.,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Tampa,
FL 800 8224427 

M ; N Cigar Manufacturers, Inc.,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers
Wholesale ; Manufacturers, Tampa, FL 800 4771884 

MVM Dental Lab,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Miami, FL 800 2229930

Magic Herbal Cigarettes Retail ; Wholesale (T.A. Inc),  Cigar,
Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Buffalo, NY 800 2251838 

MagicNicotine Free Cigarettes,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Buffalo, NY 800 8796244 

Maison Edwards Tobacconist,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Ann
Arbor, MI 800 6624145 

Male Order Enterprises,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Auburndale, MA 800 6624427 

Marks Cigars,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers 800 2578645

Mikes Cigar Distributors Inc,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Miami Beach, FL 800 9624427 

Mom's Cigar,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, New York, NY 800 8318893

Moore ; Bode Cigars,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Miami, FL 800 3687301

Nat Sherman,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, New York, NY 800 6924427

National Cigar,  Tobacco ; Tobacco Products, Los Angeles, CA 800 3689392

New Tradition Pipe Co,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Pinellas
Park, FL 800 4327473 

Radney Cigarette Service,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Akron,
OH 800 2311126 

Rizla Cigarette Paper Caribbean Sales,  Manufacturers Agents ;
Representatives, Miami, FL 800 2727372 

Rubovits Cigars,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Chicago, IL 800 7828499

Tabaceria,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Merritt Island, FL 800 5518750

Tampa Orlando Cigar,  Tobacco ; Tobacco Products, Saunderstown, RI 800 3278482

Tobacco Barn Pipe Shop,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Lake
Forest, CA 800 9342424 

Tropical Tobacco,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers  Wholesale ;
Manufacturers, Miami, FL 800 8267930 

Tuttle's,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, Grand Rapids, MI 800 4515656

Valley Blends Tobacco ; Coffee,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Mt Vernon, WA 800 8211668 

Wally Frank,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers, San Antonio, TX 800 2210638

Zigzag Handrolling Specialists,  Cigar, Cigarette ; Tobacco Dealers,
Tacoma, WA 800 5512005 
 __ ________
(???????????|||(what brand is that anyway?)

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Pipe Friendly newsletter


	[(administratia)  Please print the following if it doesn't
violate your publishing policy].
[ I don't believe so. -S. ]

	During this past week I sent out 530 promotional pieces to US
smoke shops. My plan is to give them cheap advertising in a large
quarterly (printed) newsletter for 10,000 - 25,000 pipe smokers. Aside
from a nominal registration fee, I want the newsletter to go out in
the mail at no cost to the reader.
   	The newsletter would contain articles, opinions, interviews,
and lots of other pipe stuff that I believe you would find enjoyable.
It would also contain advertisements for smoke shops and other
	I would welcome diversity from other retailers.  I will not
promote porn, but I wouldn't stand on a 'Politically Correct' soap
box.  If you know someone who might be interested, have them give me a
call at (310) 549-0439 or via E-Mail.
	Historically the tobacco industry has done almost nothing to
promote itself on a retail level.  Perhaps the winds have shifted, but
I don't want to count solely on this.  I would appreciate support from
this group.  Bottom line..  If it isn't supported by advertisers (or a
white knight - not likely), it won't happen.
             I believe it can fly, and I've already put some money
where my mouth is.  Now I need you.  Please contact your local
tobacconist and express an opinion.  Thanks!

Smoke in Peace,
Joel Farr

[ Joel, I'd talk to the editors of "The Compleat Smoker" and "Pipe
Smoker and Tobacciana Trader," who tried similar things in the
past. At least find out what they did wrong. I don't think you could
launch another CA without _major_ backing, but maybe there's a formula
that would work for the retailers as well as the customers. Best of
luck, and please keep us informed! -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????? (Gerry Hilton)
Subject: Casing

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen....

         Perhaps someone could enlighten me. In issue # 174 of the Digest, a 
reference was made to "casings" or "cased tobacco". I've seen this referred 
to before but nobody has ever said what it is. Also the term "bright" as in 
a bright tobacco. I've been smoking a pipe for over forty years and in all 
that time I've never seen a definition of these terms. It's time to further 
my education. Another small problem I have is where to buy tobacco seeds. My 
Canadian supplier seems to have gone out of business due to Gov. regulations.
Thank you for the Digest Steve, it's one of the bright spots of my week.


         Gerry Hilton
         Nova Scotia             ??????????????????????
         Canada                   Ph / Fax 902-682-3194  

[ From Ehwa's "The Book of Pipes and Tobacco," p. 168: "... The next
step is casing. The tobacco is submerged in a tank containing the
flavoring mixture or sprayed with it. The tobacco is then put into a
drying machine." As for the exact meaning of "bright," I have only a
vague clue; I'd always thought it was a variety of plant, and Ehwa
does make reference to the "white Burley" mutation My copy of Hacker's
book is first edition, and so lacks an index. Does anyone know for
sure? -S. ]

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From: Mark Lathem <??????????????????>

I want to offer my sincere thanks to all the contributors to this
mailing list.  I *thought* I was a pipe smoker.  I *thought* pipe
tobacco was something you purchased from quaint little mall shops that
was "colored" with sprayed-on fruit flavorings (rather like a snow cone
To paraphrase the philosopher, "I now know what I don't know."
After reading alt.smokers.pipes for several weeks and subscribing to
this list I decided to try some "English blends."  I placed a phone call
to Craig Tarler of Cornell and Diehl and asked him to send me some
samples.  Craig was very patient in helping me make my selections
and immediately shipped his wares.
I have spent the last several days positively enthralled.  I have now
experienced the rich taste of latakia (Who said this stuff stinks?  
the odor is definitely distinctive, but even my wife does not find it
unpleasant.), the piquant bite of perique, and the unequalled pleasure
of smoking pure, unadulterated tobacco that leaves ash in the heel 
instead of a clump of gunk.  I am a complete convert, and Craig is 
definitely on my Christmas card list <g>.
I am particularly fond of his #965 mixture, which is apparently similar 
to Dunhill 965.  I do find this to be just a bit heavy for my first 
morning smoke, however.  I was thinking that a blend composed primarily 
of Virginia with some latakia and a hint of perique might be just the 
thing.  I would love to hear some suggestions from more experienced 
smokers.  What is the ideal morning smoke?
     -= Mark Lathem  -=-  ??????????????????  -=-  ?????????????????? =-
"Like me, this pipe so fragrant burning is made of naught but earth
and clay" .

[ Dang, I gotta get Craig my updated snailmail addr... and I'll put in
an order for the 965 and Escudo duplicates too! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Bliley fax [PIPES]
Dear Steve:

Thanks much for sending me a cc. of your fax to Tom Bliley - simply
and elegantly expressed.  I would encourage everyone in our group to
do the same, if for nothing else than to say "thanks for the work
you're doing, we're glad to have you where you are".  Of course I'll
be faxing him about much more than that, but we need to show our
support for his work - which is much more of a public service than
anything the anti's have ever done.

My EPA article is almost finished.  The only thing barring its
completion is that it's Saturday p.m., and my friend (and former
roommate) has come over for some weekend carousing.  Work?  Forget it!
BTW - my friend is a fellow pipe & cigar smoker and my computer guru -
I've nicknamed him "Baba ROM DOS".  Anyway, I'll send the article to
you next week.

While we're on the subject I want to relate to you an incident that
happened today.  My friend Jerry Lustig and I were at work this
morning, and we had a little donut-and-coffee break with some
coworkers and our boss.  The subject of smoking came up (I think I
started it), and our boss - who is rabidly anti -became angry about
what Jerry and I had to say about ETS and pipes/cigars vs. cigarettes.
All I will say that he displayed a thin-lipped, snarling autocratic
attitutude that exemplified the "I know I'm right, don't confuse me
with the facts" mentality which pervades the anti-smoking mentality.
Given my prediliction towards the factual approach I did what I always
do - use reasoned argument.  This went over like a lead balloon, with
one coworker actually accusing me of being an "apologist"!  Frankly,
we don't have to take this c**p, and the incident has made me even
more resolved (if such a thing is possible!) to arm my fellow
enthusiasts with as much FACTUAL information as possible.  Naturally
time and resources are a limitation, but there's more to come and all
I can hope is that I make some small contribution to our fight.

Thanks for doing what you're doing.  I appreciate what we have more every
day!  In closing I want to thank Joachim Posegga for giving me much useful
information towards doing some business with Dan Pipe.  You guys are great!!

Best Regards und ruhig Rauchen!

Steve J. (Briar Man)

[ Thanks, Steve! I'd also urge our other U.S. members to send
Congressman Bliley a fax at (202) 225-0011. BTW, wie heisst "ruhig"
auf Englisch? -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #177 -- February 12, 1995
  2. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...
  3. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #175 -- Janu...
  5. Subject: German Tobacco & Pipes
  6. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...
  7. Subject: Re: PD subscription request
  8. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- Febr...
  9. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- February 5, 1995
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- Febr...
  11. Subject: How To Evaluate Fine Tobaccos--Barry Levin
  12. Subject: Re:Pipes and Cigar Digest...
  13. Subject: subscription to pipes newsgroup
  14. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #176 -- February 5, 1995
  15. Subject: Toll Fre Mail Order Cigars
  16. Subject: Pipe Friendly newsletter
  17. Subject: Casing
  18. Subject: Bliley fax [PIPES]
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