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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #179 -- February 26, 1995

		Pipes Digest #179 -- February 26, 1995
		     Circulation this issue: 908

Welcome to new members:

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Administrative note: Last week's Digest (#178) was a test of the
membership's ability to catch moderator booboos. Hey, that's the
ticket... :-) It was sent out with the correct date, etc. but with the
title "Pipes Digest #177." Let's see if I can avoid silly blunders
this week, and make only intelligent, creative ones :-)

Also, I heard of a new San Francisco Cigar Club last week; more info
later. Bay Area members, please stay tuned!

And join us now, in the last Digest before the March 1 Big Smoke, as
we light up our favorites and plumb the depths of cellars (hot and
cold), aging (hey, we all gotta do it sometime!), brokers (and
brokees), contract law, German grammar (weiter), imaging technology,
politics, the Marine Corps, mega-crystals, and suffrage...

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             Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
                        Call -- Write -- Vote
                        Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...

Introduction: Thank you for including me in the mail group. I own a an old
fasioned department store in Plymouth, MA. When I purchased the store four
years ago there was an old cigar humidor. The store had a history of selling
cigars and pipes, but not products of high quality. I hired a person that was
very familiar with cigars and gave him the go ahead to establish a first
quality tobacco department. As kuck would have it, this happened at the
beginning of the cigar boom and it has become a very profitable department.
Since the beginnings of this department four years ago we have built a
walk-in cigar humidor and have become a Dunhill Pipe Dealer.
  I have smoked pipes, but not with regularity. I enjoy cigars, my favorites
are Monte Cristos which I purchase in Bermuda. My favorite legal cigars are
Dunhills from the Dominican Republic.
  The number of pipe smokers seems to have dwindled significantly. We seem to
sell a lot of $50-$80 Parkers etc., but very few Dunhills. This is probably
due to our location in Plymouth, MA which is a blue collar town.
  Being in Plymouth allows us to discuss smoking with people from all over
the world. Many British and French purchase cigars from us because our taxes
are cheap compared to theirs.
  I did not join the group to promote my business. I am fascinated with the
subject and look forward to contributing.
  I hope to here from you.  Sincerely yours,

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[ Some confidential information deleted from this letter at Bob's
request. -S. ]

From: "R.C. Hamlin" <???????????????????????>
Subject: Re: PCCA/Tobacco storage


Just read your Digest #177 after it was posted on Compuserve, and I thought I
might be able to help you with your long term tobacco storage problem. First,
this problem of holding tobacco long term and mold have very little, if
anything, to do with a humidity factor being too high. The fact is that when
tobacco is manufactured into the final product the process runs from hogsheads
at 8% to 12% moisture to almost 100% during the processing of both cased
aromatics and stoved virginias. 

I have personally seen bulk tobacco being processed at Universal Leaf
in Petersburg, Virginia and in the Lane Limited operation with bulk
BCA black cavendish (and Captain Black). Many bulk aromatics, such as
BCA or RPL-6 are shipped with a very high moisture content, and yet no
mold problem. Glycerin & glycol are used in tobacco production,
especially the drug store type, but there are many high grade tobaccos
that do not use these products as either perservatives or leaf

A perfect example would be McClelland Tobacco Company, who makes many
bulk aromatics, bulk flakes, very high grade limited edition blends
and of course their Personal Reserve Trademarked Line (That Barry
marketed for McClelland).  McClelland does not use Glycerin or Glycol
and yet I've never seen mold on any McClelland product, be it bulk or

You will get mold in tobacco if you combine reasonable moisture and
high heat storage. This is the key to long term storage of any
tobacco, including tin products. Regular long term storage conditions
should hold the tobacco at 70 degrees or under. Bulk tobacco will grow
mold faster if stored in high heat, but I've seen lots of tins from
quality manufacturers such a A&C Peterson of Denmark, Balkan Sobranie,
Escudo, etc that are full of mold when opened. Keep the tobacco cool
and it will last 10 or 20 years, even in bulk. Storing tobacco in a
garage in the Summer is begging for ruin - it can get well over 100
degrees in a garage in the Summer, at least in Virginia.

If you want to store bulk tobacco for 10+ years all you have to do is
compress it into "snap lid" jars like canning jars. Glass id better
than plastic, but plastic will do. Coffee shops sell these jars, as do
a lot of kitchen stores.  Even plastic tupperware/rubbermade
containers will work as long as the seal is tight (you can always tape
the lids down). Pack them as tight as possible, keep them cool and
you'll have no problem with mold.

My unfinished basement runs 55-58 degress in the Winter and 62-64
degrees in the heat of the Summer. I store 100 to 300 pounds of Bulk
tobacco and 1,000 to 5,000 tins of tobacco on open shelves with no
mold problem at all. Some of these tins are 5-7 years old and I have
had bulk on had for 4-5 years - no problem at all.  I also store over
1,500 cigars and over 250 bottles of wine, again - perfect conditions,
perfect results.

Long term aging of quality tobacco is something that [...] I worked on
in great detail, both in development of new products and in the study
of the changes that take place over time. I wrote a series of articles
in 1991-92 on tobacco again (calling it cellaring) for The Smoker's
Pipeline Newsletter. The condensed version is in the CIS Smoking
Section LIB, but I'll be glad to post it to you if you like.


This note is not designed to be included in your Digest, but more so
to be a point of information to your question of long term tobacco
storage. [...] Lest you think my ego is getting out of control here,
I'll cut it off - but hope this helps you out with long term tobacco

Best regards,


[R.C. Hamlin/PCCA]

[ Later... ]

>>P.S. Do you know of a way to seal tobacco in a Ball jar? The normal
method for canning in them is to boil them; this both creates a
partial vacuum and softens the rubber ring around the jar lid. I'd
think this would ruin the tobacco, though. -S.<<

Do not use the standard "canning jars" but use those that have the
"lever snap lid" like Mason jars or Coffee storage jars. Absolutely do
not boil a jar of tobacco to seal it!

I'll get the promised tobacco out to you this week by UPS.


[ BTW, I've posted on rec.food.cooking asking about wire bail jars,
but haven't gotten a useful source yet. And yes, I'd appreciate the
condensed version of the cellaring article. -S.]

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From: Mathias Brandstetter <?????????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

I am a very new member in the Club of Pipe Smokers.
My name is Mathias and i am from germany.
I would like to know if there were other members in germany 
too, because the USA is to far to travel.
I like to know where i can buy a good pipe without
these 9mm filters, in germany they mostly sell this.
I prefer smoking a pipe without filters, because it would taste
What did the other members of the club say to this subjekt.
I hope i will here some news from you.
( I hope my english is not to bad? )

Tabacs i am smoking are
		Dunhill: Early Morning
		Black Luxury
		Orlik Club (Brand new but it tastes very good )
If you know good tabacs please mail them to me.		

With friendly wishes

[Almost any mail-order company that sells pipes in the USA, sells them
without the filters. Check the Resource Guide; "With Pipe and Book"
might be a reasonable bet. Don't know about international shipments,
though. -S. ]

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From: Mark Lautenschlager <??????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request


Thanks for the welcome. I've received the first mailing of the digest 
and I am impressed with the depth of the writing and the manner in 
which this vehicle accomplishes its stated purpose.

I'm a cigar smoker, although I've smoked a pipe in years past (gave it 
up because it seemed too "high maintenance" and I just didn't have the 
time). My favorite cigars are Ashtons, although I also enjoy Don 
Diegos and Macanudos. In my opinion, a good cigar and a good English 
ale are both reasons for one to appreciate drawing breath...

I'm a 35 year old freelance computer consultant, married with one 
child. My wife wishes I didn't smoke, but simply adds it to the long 
list of "things I tolerate about my husband." <grin> (I keep a similar 
list for her...)

Looking forward to reading future issues of the Digest! Thanks!

Mark Lautenschlager (??????????????)

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From: ?????????????????????? (David Malecki)
Subject: Another astute observation

[ Administrativa deleted. -S. ]

P.S. In case you didn't find out what "ruhig" means yet, it means
quiet, calm, still, etc.  The perfect word to describe a half hour
with my pipe!

[Dang shame it's not in my language! But if I might borrow it once in
a while... ruhige Rauchen! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Perfect Humidity???

Hi smokers,
    I'm not sure if this is how i do it, but i wanted to ask you cigar
smokers a question about keeping cigars in perfect condition.  I don't
have a humidor, but i have two humidifier capsuls in a sealed glass
jar with distilled water..  The only problem is, I don't know what the
level is.  IS there some gauge that can read it for a reasonable
price? Thanks alot
Dave Goldstein

[ Radio Shack sells a digital hygrometer in the $20-30 range. This
should work, as long as it's not too humid (which has ruined one of
mine.) -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????


[ Thanks for the letter, JB, and please don't take this week's Snappy
Comeback too seriously! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (POP Mail)
Subject: My Introduction

Fellow PDers:

I have sat back and watched everyone else chat, and I feel that it is my turn. 
 I am a 26 year old ex-broker who has a passion for cigars.  I started in 
Boston at one of the best smoke shops(in my opinion).  Five years and many, 
many cigars later, I am on a quest.  I now live in the Allentown, PA area, and 
I have taken a job at a local smoke shop, so that I can learn more.  I enjoy 
talking to fellow cigar and pipe smokers, and invite anyone who is in the area 
to stop by Collin's Tobacco in the Lehigh Valley Mall.  Newbies are especially 
welcome, I am only a 5 year vet myself.  I am also looking to start a club in 
the Lehigh/Upper Delaware Valley, to host socials and the like.  I have made 
sure that Collin's stocks some of the best cigars, so we can choose and enjoy. 
 If anyone is interested, stop by or email me.

"Every battle is won, before it is ever fought"			Sun-Tzu
Thomas G. Smith, Jr.
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[ _Ex_ broker at 26? Please keep us informed of th eclub status! -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #177 -- Febr...

Hi folks!

I would like to thank everyone who contribute to the Digest. I really enjoyed
reading it today. I must honestly say that I've learned several things about
pipes today.

I began smoking cigars over six years ago, when our daughter was born. My
wife and I were executives on Wall Street. We didn't feel cigars that said
"It's a Girl" were the right type of cigars to pass out to our associates.
All the "old time cigar smokers" were not able to tell us what a good cigar
was as we kept getting the same answer to questions when we inquired what a
good cigar was ("I've been smoking the same stuff for years, I can't tell you
what a good cigar is").

We went to Nat Shermans as we thought they would certainly know. I bought 2
boxes of Partigas 8-9-8s with our daughter's name printed on them ($170.00
six and a half years ago).

Having never smoked anything in my life, I tried one and fell in love!!

I learned quite alot from the J & R color catalog (it explained alot about
cigar making and various tobbaccos). Between trying various cigars and the
catalog (and learning from speaking to various cigar merchants).

After a while, I began to explore pipes. I was unable to find the same
pleasure in pipes as I found in cigars. After trying various tobbaccos for
the pipe, I went to a shop here in New York. The tobbaconist was a female who
smoked pipes. I told her of my problem regarding the lack of pleasure which
the pipe had given me. She sold me several types of tobbaccos for over
$60.00. I tried them all, and put the pipe away for several years. A friend
suggested that I try Dunhill "Royal Yacht". I loved it!! Now I am back
between the pipe and smoking my cigars (Hondurans)! Most of my purchases come
from J&R. I highly suggest and recommend them (their telephone number is

Now I find that I must replace my filtered pipe. I would appreciate any
suggestions from anyone who enjoys smoking filtered pipes. It is now time to
move up to a better pipe.

Once again, thank you for the Digest. Please keep it coming!

Karl Leeds


[ Will do, Karl! Welcome! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #177 -- Febr...

To ??????????????????

Dear Mark,
I have also found the Dunhill people out of New York to be less then
enthusiastic. I have called them with questions and they act like they are
doing you a favor. Alfred Dunhill has a free club which you can join called
the "Fellowship of the White Spot". They generate a newsletter every year and
it is quite entertaining. I may be telling you something that you already
know, but this society might help you identify your humidor. If you or anyone
else would like an application e-mail me address and I will mail you
application. Dunhill does have an Archive Dept. Howard Smith is the Archive
Controller. His address is Alfred Dunhill Ltd., Smoker's Products Division,
32 St. Andrews Rd, London E17 6BQ UK.     Happy smoking,
                                          Peter Ryan
                                          Smith's of Plymouth

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From: ????????????????????????? (Mark Korchinski)
Subject: Re: sad future for pipes????

Was in Melbourne Fla. and in my quest for a good shop, found
one of the last few non-mall stores:
The Pipe Den and Cigars
1426-20th St. Vero Beach FL 32960
1-800-780-PIPE or 407-569-1154
Bob Marshbanks, proprietor

Great place, really friendly fellow. Does mail order. Seems to 
specialize in pipes and tobacco, but has a good walk in humidor
for cigars.

<<< I never let my schooling get in the way of my education>>>
    Mark Twain

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Pipe Smoking

Steve, Just got my new toy machine and found that there are others of like
interest.  I have been a collector for 30 years and was stationed in Ankara,
Turkey so I travelled to Eskishire for meerschaums.  Would like to hear from
you.  Bob 

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From: ????????????? (Antti Kalliokoski)
Subject: A Pipe smoker's agony in the wilderness

(Steve: I have seen some quite long mailings in this list, so I think this 
might fit into the frames of publishing in *the pipes mailing list*. If not, 
it's O.K. for me to leave this out. I do not feel insulted)

Greetings to all the 800 and more readers of this list

I'm writing this in Finland, sitting with my 486-DX2-66-PC, every now and 
then looking at my 20" monitor. I watch words emerging out of nowhere in a  
Word for Windows 6.0a. screen.
Let me tell you about a pipe smoker's agony in the wilderness.
Every summer I pack my rucksack to wander three weeks in the wilderness in 
Lapland and fish mainly trout and grayling. That's the peak of the year to me.
I usually travel by air 1000 km:s (about 600 miles) from home in southern 
Finland to Lapland. First with a DC-9 and then the rest of the way with a 
small, 12 to 18 passengers' Bandeirante prop-plane. After that I still have 
a 50 miles drive in a four-wheeler to get to a small Lapp-village called 
Nakkala. (The name is actually written with two small dots above every 
"a"-character.) I have in front of and around me the biggest wilderness in 
Europe. I can wander 4 - 5 days all the time to the same direction still 
going further away from civilization. Nobody lives there in the summertime. 
A few lapps inhabit the area in the wintertime, but now they have moved with 
their reindeers to the Arctic sea. So I'm on my own. The landscape is  from 
400 - 700 m. over the sea. It is subarctic, no trees but fell birch, willow 
and juniper. There are thousands of chrystal clear, blue lakes. Many small 
brooks and a few rivers are runnining northwards to the Arctic Ocean.
Many exciting species live in the wilderness, and they are quite fearless 
because they haven't met human beings before.
But for me, fish is the most important species because I must catch them for 
food. It's impossible to carry food enough for three weeks in the rucksack. 
I'll try to catch with fly or a small lure mainly Salmo trutta = trout, 
Salvelinus alpinus = char, Thymallus thymallus = grayling, Perca fluviatilis 
= perch, and Esox Lucius = pike. Normally it takes from 15 to 30 minutes to 
get fish enough to feed you for the day.
You understand that when packing the rucksack I must be very careful. 
Usually I make a list of things to take with me, but during the years you 
get accustomed to things so you are beginning to make mistakes. 
At home I had bought 8 packs of 40 grams of Amphora Regular, which had to be 
more than needed, but you know how it is.
I like Amphora Regular (a Cavendish-type mixture in brown package) perhaps 
because the sortiment of pipe tobaccoes here in Finland is so scarce. I 
think it is a quite balanced, neutral mixture of Burley, Oriental, Kentucky 
and Virginia tobaccos, whatever they then might be. Especially the 
*Oriental* part wakes up my curiosity. Could it be *this wonderful Latakia* 
so often mentioned in this list?
Having wandered two days enjoying the scenery and loneliness, overnighting 
in tent listening mosquitoes and beginning to make my third morning Muesli 
and coffee I noticed that the first pack of Amphora is coming to its end. 
O.K: crawl to the "abside" of the tent and look in the backpack to get some 
Ididn't find tobaccoes where I usually keep them. For a moment I played with 
the thought: "what if I couldn't find them at all". The thought made me 
shiver with cold. I continued searching till everything that was in went 
out, *but not the tobaccoes*. Pipe cleaners I had three packs, pipes I had 
five peaces with me, but no tobacco. The only tobacco I had was *the extra 
special* two 40 grams' packs of *Mc Baren Virginia no 1* I had bought in the 
town of Oulu where I changed the plane. The sortiment of pipe tobacco there 
was so small so I couldn't get better.
I had to look reality straight in the eyes. "Nearly three weeks in the 
wilderness with just 80 grams of pipe tobacco." And, you know; nowhere in 
the world you enjoy more smoking pipe than alone in wilderness sitting at 
campfire steaking trout and thinking light blue thoughts.
It was an exceptional summer in other respects, too. The temperature was 
higher than I had experienced in 20 years. The thermometer was showing +20 - 
+30 degrees Celsius day after day. Mosquitoes were really angry; there was a 
flock of thousands and again thousands of them trying to suck your blood 
just in the same second you reached your head out of the tent. During the 
hottest time of the day I had a wet towel above my chest when lying in tent 
and waiting the sun get more down to let me go for the fish. Don't you think 
that a good pipe of unsweetened cavendish had been a real pleasure for me? 
But that was not allowed for me. I had two choices: First, stop smoking, and 
second to begin to regulate smoking. I chose the latter option, which meant 
that I could smoke less than two pipes per day, and still I had to 
anticipate that tobacco doesn't last to the end of the journey.
Day after day passes by. I fish mainly with fly and and get fish. Perhaps it 
was one of the best summers regarding fishing. It was the first time I 
didn't take camera with me and of course I got the biggest trout ever. It 
weighted perhaps 3 kg (6 pounds). That fish I had to eat smoked for three days. 
Oh those blessed moments I had filling my sandblasted Savinelli Porto Cervo 
or Roma #305 with Mc Baren's Virginia no 1.!
Usually I waked up about 8 a'clock, had Muesli, coffee and raw salted trout 
on a rye crisp. After that I expanded the moment to get the first puff of 
the day. The agony was in the fact that the pipe had to last long in the 
afternoon. I had a few puffs, layed pipe aside, had a wet towel on my breast 
and layed in my tent swetting and waiting for the time to get next couple of 
puffs. Then in the afternoon I eat fish and got my puffs again. 
The sun getting a bit lower in the sky I went to fish all the time longing 
for a pipe but without getting one. I got my fish and came back to the tent 
to clean the trout. And again found that something was missing.
O.K. That's how it went. The weather was warm and sunny all the time. 
Fishing was great, but the last three days I was without tobacco. It was 
awful. When I got back to Nakkala, there was a reindeer-owner Lapp, whom I 
got tobacco. It was menthol flavored trash aimed to self rolled cigarettes, 
but I filled my Savinelli with it and enjoyed. Afterwards it took many 
pipefulls to get rid of that wonderful taste.

-Bye, hope to hear about you soon
Antti Kalliokoski (hoanka "at"uta.fi)

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From: "M. Arndt" <????????????????>
Subject: Erinmore flake

I was wondering what was in Erinmore flake (besides the pineapple :-)
And does anyone have a mailorder source for the "Esoterica" line of tobaccos
that have been discussed from time to time?

BTW, Steve, I noticed your post on rec.woodworking about biscuit joinery.  What
joiner do you use?  Myself, I use an Elu 3380 that was "Nahm's" favorite until
he graduated to the $$$ Lamello.

Smoke (and join!) and peace

M. Arndt

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Let me introduce myself.

My name is Joe Greenberg.  I work as a CPA in downtown Los Angeles and live
in Sherman Oaks with my wife and 7 month old daughter (neither of whom
smoke).  I grew up in Omaha, NE (Go Huskers!), went to school in Washington,
DC and have lived in Los Angeles for 11 years.  I started smoking cigars
about 4 months ago on a whim and I've enjoyed it ever since.

At first I basically selected my cigars at random.  This got to be
overwhelming given the wide variety available.  So I went to the library
andfound the Davidoff and Bahti?? books which were quite informative (I
recommend them to anyone new to cigars).  I now have a little better grasp on
which cigars to select.  I have not settled on any one cigar to smoke, but I
have tried and liked some from Arturo Fuente, H. Upmann, Matacan, Macanudo.
 I even found the La Plata store near my office where I was able to watch
cigars being made.  It was quite interesting, especially after having read
about the process.

Before I go, I have several questions:

What is the difference between cigars of varying sizes and ring guages made
by the same manufacturer (other than size and ring guage)?

What is the best, inexpensive, way to store my cigars?  I currently keep them
in an air-tight glass jar with a damp sponge on the bottom.

How do I download Pipes Digest onto my computer?

I would love to meet other cigar smokers in the Los Angeles area.  I look
forward to future issues of Pipes Digest and participating in the group.


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From: ?????????????????????????????
Subject: Follow up

Steve, et al.,
	Back in Digest 169 I sent in a message titled "Carey's and Jerri's.
There I had complained of the service I received from Carey's Smokeshop
in Ohio when I tried to mail order a Savinelli from them and had given
up waiting for it to arrive after 7 weeks so canceled my order.  I had
written a *SECOND* letter of complaint to Bill Miller on 17 January
before I finally got any response (I received an apolegetic letter on 
26 January from their Manager of Customer Relations with a $20 gift
certificate).  In this second letter I included a copy of my original
letter to Digest 169 and made a point of saying that approximately 
800 people (at that time) were reading this on a weekly basis.  Maybe
that's what got their attention! (altho there is no mention of this 
in their letter).  Anyway, not to belabor this, but I thought I should
report back as to what happened.  (But I haven't changed my mind - I
still will not order from Carey's ever again - too much hassle).
	Anyway, time to fill a favorite pipe with a favorite blend,
light it up, lean back, enjoy and forget lifes' little aggravations.

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...

Steve,  So nice to review the resources.  I plan to travel in May so I want
some shops to visit.  I have been a pipe enthusiat for about 30  years.
 Perhaps the most interesting thing I ever did was start the Anatolian
Fraternal Pipe Society in Ankara Turkey in the early 70s.  We had people from
all nations attend meeting and we went frequently to Eskishehir to buy
meerschaums.  I like heavy British tobaccos and Balkan blends.  But,
unfortunately I am quite a ways from a good shop up here in North Texas.  God
Bless, Bob

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From: ??????????????????? (Gord Ferguson)
Subject: Toronto Tobacco Shop

Steve, and all......
Just an update for those of you who find themselves in Toronto, Ontario
and are looking for a decent shop of Smokers Requisites.
*Winston & Holmes*, have 3 such shops located around town.
        *  138 Cumberland St. (Old York Lane-Yorkville)
            Toronto  M5R 1A6    (416) 968-1290

        *  207 Queen's Quay West (Queen's Quay Terminal - Harbourfront)
            P.O.Box 16, Toronto  M5J 1A7   (416) 203-0344

        *  2 First Canadian Place (Stock Exchange Tower)
            P.O.Box 28, Toronto   M5X 1A9    (416) 363-7575

They also have a Mail Order Service available 1-800-465-2035 and a 
Fax (416) 968-2201.
They have a great collection of Pipe and Cigar books, Havana Cigars 
(I'm not sure if that's a big problem for our US friends or not...), Private
Stock Tobacco Blends, Pipes, Cigars, and Smoker's Accessories. I found a
signed copy of Ben Rapaport's Antique Pipe Book and I've been looking
for a copy for over a year. They also have shops in which one still may
smoke and feel comfortable. (Toronto has an anti-smoking By-Law..)
For our British and European friends..they still stock Cope's Escudo....
So, if you are in Toronto on business (or pleasure), two of the shops are
within walking distance of the CN Tower and SkyDome.
Cheers from Toronto, eh ?

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From: ?????????????????? (Sami Mikhail)
Subject: Re: Another FAQ request

You wrote:
>?????????????????? (Poggenpohl) writes:
>>We need FAQ!
>We need maintainer!
>~\U S.

How do you feel about me starting from the Pipes Digest FAQ to create a
a.s.p FAQ. I wouldn't mind being the maintainer, if no one objects.

#Sami Mikhail                     |Ask Me about _WinWin Solutions_      #
#(??????????????????)             |Makers of WinFind and WinInstall.    #
#         ^^^^^^^^^^_NEW_ADDRESS_ |Custom MS-Windows Solution Providers.#

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From: "Johnson, Bill" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: The Cigar Company


     I wrote a couple weeks ago and mentioned The Cigar Company in Pasadena, 
CA.  At that time I didn't have an address or phone number for the resource 
list.  I'm now sending those along:

Karl Kolpin
The Cigar Company
380 S. Lake Avenue
Pasadena, CA  91101

     To repeat my earlier comments, this is a cigar-only store (though Karl 
tells me he's thinking of adding pipes to his inventory).  Karl has been 
most helpful in answering questions and in helping me to educate myself 
concerning better-quality cigars.  For those not terribly familiar with 
Pasadena, exit the 210 Freeway at Lake Avenue.  Go south 3-1/2 blocks past 
Colorado Blvd.  Park somewhere near the Bullocks Department Store.  The Pipe 
Company is in the arcade across the street from Bullocks.

Good Ol' BillyBob
Rebel Without A Clue

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From: "E. John Graham" <??????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: New Subscriber

Dear Steve:

Thank you for your prompt response to my request for a subscription to
Pipe Digest.  I started pipe smoking in college (can it be 25 years ago?)
but since graduation I have never lived in close proximity to a quality 
tobacconist.  Therefore I have missed participating in the community of
pipe smokers which I always found so enjoyable during my college years.
Being able to connect via the internet is wonderful.  Thank you, Steve.

I was interested in your conversation with Craig Tarler of Cornell and
Diehl, specifically as it relates to glycerol.  I had heard previously
that it was used as a short-cut method for flavoring tobacco and as a
preservative.  I had also heard that glycerol does not completely burn 
in the bowl and therefore contributes to a "wet heel."  I'd be interested in
hearing if these stories are fact or fiction.  If they are factual I'd be
interested in finding reliable sources of glycerol-free blends.

Thanks again,

John Graham

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From: John Palmer <????????????????>
Subject: New acquisitions...

Steve... just a quick note.... a couple new additions to my collection.. 
a Castello bent bulldog with sea rock finish.... Castello GG sea rock 
billiard w/ saddle bit (large! but comfortable)... an old Comoy 
"Extraordinaire" 3/4 bent apple with drain plug... about 30? years old...

Wish I had a scanner... I'd send you pics.....

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From: ????????????????? (Arthur Greenwald)
Subject: Recent Pipes Digest


I really enjoy Pipes Digest and appreciate your consistent efforts
to assemble and distribute it. At its best, the Digest is like a
pleasant gathering and converation among fellow Pipe and cigar

However, I'm distressed by the increasingly frequent and strident
articles urging political action to combat anti-smoking activists.
I certainly agree that the anti-smoking crowd includes no shortage
of busy-bodies for whom controlling the habits of others transports
them to the brink of orgasm. Although I try to always be courteous
about when and where I smoke, I have had more than a few run-ins
with some incredibly rude nutcakes. Arguing against rudeness and
in favor of accomodating smokers and non-smokers in ventillated
public areas seems only reasonable.

However, it's worse than futile to argue against the idea that smoking
and second-hand smoke are potentially damaging to people's health.
First of all, the basic scientific evidence is quite consistent and
scientifically compelling. Anyone who smokes and thinks otherwise is
fooling him or herself. Compelling evidence is the very reason that
CONVERVATIVE Surgeon Generals Koop and Novello, appointed by Reagan
and Bush, oppose smoking in the first place.

Secondly, any meaningful discussion about methodological "problems"
with that huge body of research must be highly detailed and technical.
I sympathize with many of the points in Stephen Johnson's recent article,
but his criticisms and charges about the EPA and the studies it accepts
or rejects don't offer nearly enough information to evaluate. Even if
Johnson possesses that information, does it really have any place
here? Would a gourmet cooking newsletter devote regular space to cover
methodology in cholesterol testing?

I have no problem with BRIEF news items about restrictive legislation,
or suggestions about where to send letters or petitions, but I hope that
98% of the time we'll stay focused on the enjoyment appreciation of
the things that unite us.

Arthur Greenwald

[ Your point about brevity is well-taken. I would encourage submitters
to limit the length of their postings, or to divide them into weekly
installments, as appropriate. 

I'll let Steve answer your criticisms of his article for himself. I do
have a long technical criticism of the statistical analysis in the
Trichopoulos et. al. article on ETS that appeared in the JAMA, one of
the principal sources cited by the EPA in their finding. This
criticism is available from me upon request, and I'll put it up for
FTP and Web browsing too (site maintainers willing).

Regarding political action, it's being taken against us by the
busybodies you mentioned. Their goals are clear, and are not to our
benefit.  If we don't defend our right to the enjoyment and
appreciation of the things that unite us, we will certainly lose it. -S. ]

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From: Sheldon Richman <???????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest

Pipe Digest has rekindled (pun intended) my interest in pipe smoking. I've been
experimenting with varioius tobaccos but could really use a primer on the
different types and some of the prominent (or less so) brands in each category.
Have you published such a thing before?  I've read so much about Bengal Slices
(I always want to say bagel slices) that I feel I must try it.  A friend has
recommended Dunhill's Royal Yacht.  What's the low-down on that?

I'm still mainly smoking corncobs because I don't want to rush into
buying a briar and I don't have time now to do a proper search.  I do
have an old briar that I like. I am partial to bent pipes and expect
that the briar I buy will be a full bent or close to it.

Keep up this very good work. I'm having a ball.  Thanks.
Sheldon Richman

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Greetings fellow smokers

Hi fellow pipe & cigar smokers,

I'm new to this list, but I've been a pipe & cigar smoker now for about 11
years.  I'm a 36-year-old active duty Marine.  Besides smoking pipes &
cigars, my hobbies are dogs & dog training and homebrewing.   I usually smoke
Petersons and Charatans, with Dunhill "My Mixture" 965 and Balkan Sobranie
being my preferred tobaccos.  As far as cigars go, I enjoy most of the
premium brand cigars, but I seem to smoke Upmann 100's the most.  
Like many of you, I suppose, my wife is tolerant of my smoking up to a point,
as long as I don't "stink up" the house.  Therefore, I do most of my pipe &
cigar smoking while driving (I commute an hour each way to work), or while
sitting in my makeshift den in the garage, or while taking the dog for a walk
(he gets lots of walks).  
Someone please let me know if this e-mail gets through.  Not only am I new to
the list, but I've only been an on-line subscriber for a month now so I
wouldn't be too surprised if I somehow make a mistake.  
I'm looking forward to many issues of the Digest!
Adios & good smoking,
CWO2 Joe Hurley, USMC
Baltimore, Md.   

[ Interesting email address, Joe! Welcome! -S. ]

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From: Victor Reijs <????????????????????????????????>
Subject: some reactions to several digests

to ?????????????????????

Hello all of you,

While reading some digest from severals week I have some things in relations to

- like I have said some issues back; using a saturated salts/water
solution gives a humidity of some 70% in a humidor. Because water is
messy;-), I was thinking of some absorbant. Of course oasis works
greet, and I still think that it is the best.  But I saw something new
on the market that perhaps could do as well. It sucks water (but it
does not suck salts water:-(, so the humidy control is around some
90%. The stuff is called in the Netherlands: Mega-Crystals. In dried
form it are small things (some milimeters big), when water is putten
in contact, it sucks it up and the crystals become some tens
milimeters (the stuff is used for soaking plants for a long period of
time). I tried thus this stuff with salt water (to get 70% humidity),
but that does not work. The crystals don't suck this salt water. Do
people have similar alternatives?

- I have been in Virginia some months ago, and in the book "Virginia,
off the beaten path" (Third edition 1993) I saw a tabacco and textile
museum in Danville. I drove a lot of miles (from Wasthinton) to see
this museum, but it is not there anymore:-( But I heard that in future
they are thinking of recreating the meseum, so that is good news in
this tabacco country!  The trip was not entirely for nothing. I have
visited some some 10 wineries, so I bought some bottle of good
Virginia wine!

- the uneven burning of cigars could be caused because of uneven filling (to
much air or tabacco with big stems in it) in the inner side of the cigar.

- a good cigar/pipe shops in the Netherlnds (I have no financial relation with
it, other that I sometimes buy there;-):

P.G.C. Hajenius
Rokin 92-96
tel: +31 20 237494

It is a shop with a big walk in humidor full of good cigars. The shop is close
to the tram, so when you are in Amsterdam it should be easy to find (ask for

- when being in Ireland, I saw a nice tabacco shop opposite Trinity College in
Dublin (which is worth a visit due to the Book of Celts):

J.J. Fox,
119 Grafton STreet
tel.: +353 1 677 0533

- humidity of cigars depends on the country where you live (this
refers to a mail from ??????????????). In the Netherlands the cigars
(which are short filler cigars) are smoked in a less humid way (some
50%), only the import cigars (havana, Dom. Republic, etc.) are smoked
at a humidity of 70%.  In the case of 50% one will hear the crakling
of the cigars (that seems be the sound for a Dutch/short filler
cigar).  My one opinion is that all cigars are smoke better on 70%, it
is a more melow taste in my opinion.

- Mark Thomson, said that he somewhere heard, that the ratings in Cigar
Aficionado where based on advertising. Is this true??? I can image that rating
cigars will influence the advertising and the market within the USA, but I
really don't hope that 'prodcers' with lot of money get the highest points. I
really expect that it is just a rumor!

- I find it a pity that Cigar Aficionado is so related to the Carrebian cigar
making industry. Being from the Netherlands (which produce some 80% of the
ciagrs in the world), I really find it a pity that Cigar Aficionado does not
look at other markets. There are lots of other countries that produce fine
cigars (Holland;-), Germany, Brazil, Indonsia, etc.). Hope they will change
sometime there view!

That was it for now.

All the best,


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From: ????????????????
Subject: General blatherings

Dear Steve -

Thanks very much for your appreciative comments concerning my EPA
article.  I've received similar comments by e-mail from some
individual members of our group, and I'm glad I was able to provide
some information that can make for substantive arguments in our
defense.  I was particularly gratified to hear from Sheldon Richman,
who is the senior editor at the Cato Institute.  Mr.  Richman informs
me that Cato is about to publish more damaging information on the EPA
report.  BTW - my next project is to scan Tom Bliley's report and turn
it into an ASCII file so that it can be uploaded onto the Net.  I'm
hoping to do this next weekend.

Your comment regarding the persistence of the anti-smoking movement is
well taken.  I don't mean to suggest that our present Congress has
ended our problems.  It's one thing to overturn smoking bans, but
there is still the larger problem of undoing many years of
brainwashing by the anti-smoking activists.  My argument is that we
now have a unique opportunity to see the activists lose their power
over legislation.  When this happens I think we'll find that social
attitudes will start becoming more tolerant.  Bottom line is that we
are no longer alone in our fight, and make no mistake - the
conservative shift which took place on November 8th is the best things
that could've happened to us.  Anti-smokers will always be with us as
long as there's smoking.  I don't think they'll ever disappear (and I
don't think we will either), but whether or not they have any major
influence is another matter.  As empires rise and fall so will theirs,
and I'm very optimistic that we may be witness to their fall from
power.  If so, then perhaps we can also leave behind some weapons that
will be used by a future generation when it's faced with the same
battle we've had to fight.

To underscore my point about our improved political fortunes here's a
bit of news.  Congress recently declared a moratorium on all further
anti-tobacco legislation (this moratorium also includes environmental
legislation as well).  It will remain in effect indefinitely, or at
least until lawmakers can enact reforms which will impose strict
scientific standards on the process of proposing, reviewing and
debating such legislation.  These reforms will include the requirement
that the same standards be applied to the cost/benefit evaluations
made on proposed laws.  In other words the anti-smoking and
environmental activists (who are often one in the same) will no longer
have "carte blanche" in pursuing their agendas through Congress.

Also - even though OSHA started conducting public hearings on its
proposed Federal workplace smoking ban, it is highly unlikely that the
ban will actually go through.  In addition to overwhelming opposition
from the general public, there is also very strong opposition from the
labor unions.  The Department of Energy has issued a report seriously
challenging not only the misuse of science with ETS, but also OSHA's
estimates of the cost/benefit aspect of the ban.  If OSHA does go
through with the ban it is certain to have serious consequences for
the Agency.

In other news, a class action lawsuit was filed against the tobacco
companies in the District Court of Louisiana.  The suit was filed by 3
smokers and the widow of a smoker who charge that the tobacco
companies knew nicotine is addictive, and that they intentionally
manipulate the nicotine content of cigarettes to keep smokers hooked
(hmm, now where have we heard that one before?).  The suit was filed
on behalf of all U.S. smokers.  And get this - the only qualification
for being a part of this class action is if a smoker has been told by
his/her doctor that smoking is hazardous, and the smoker still hasn't
quit.  A note from the doctor is not required, just the individual's

Apparently since the antis are not getting their way through the government
they've decided to try bankrupting the tobacco industry instead.  These
lawsuits are about as frivolous as they get, and they are a gross affront to
reasonable thinking (not to mention concepts like individual responsibility).
 I mention this because the Republicans' Contract with America includes a
clause dealing with liability reform.  Specifically this reform entails
putting in place a British-style "loser pays" system, along with a provision
specifically prohibiting the use of junk science in prosecuting product
liability cases.

In light of these and other proposed suits against the tobacco companies I
suggest that we write to our elected officials in Washington and urge them to
expedite the liability reforms.  We should also recommend that such reforms
include a "grandfather" clause that would apply the new law (if it passes) to
the cases that have been filed since the new Congress was sworn in.  I know
that "grandfather" clauses are typically difficult to get, but I think this
new lawsuit in Louisiana is so outrageous that such action is warranted.  I
personally find these suits offensive simply on the matter of principle,
although some of you may feel they're justified because they attack
cigarettes.  But herein lies a caution:  Regardless of
anyone's feelings about cigarettes we would do well to remember that whatever
hurts the cigarette companies will sooner or later hurt us.

Well, that's it for now.  Thanks for your continuing efforts, Steve, and keep
up the good work!

Best Regards,

Steve J. (Briar Man)

Thought for the day:  "Today is tomorrow's past."
	                        - from "Wit for the Witless" by Knott A. Clew

[ Thanks for your comments, Steve! BTW, there are some reader
comments, both pro and con your last article, this issue.

And, in the spirit of Arthur Greenwald's request above, I'll just say
that I always vote in my own best interest. And that doesn't mean any
particular party. So, the party that supports my interests the best,
gets my vote. Yeah, I'm egocentric :-) -S. ]

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                       Today's Snappy Comeback:

(To a lawyer:) "I hope you're not singling me out. You get paid good
money to torment people." [Also works with doctors and dentists.] 

[I KNOW I'm gonna hear back about this one... :-]

                                - From "101 Ways to Answer the
                                  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
                                  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #179 -- February 26, 1995
  2. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...
  3. Subject: Re: PCCA/Tobacco storage
  4. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  5. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  6. Subject: Another astute observation
  7. Subject: Perfect Humidity???
  8. Subject: SMOKING IN PEACE
  9. Subject: My Introduction
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #177 -- Febr...
  11. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #177 -- Febr...
  12. Subject: Re: sad future for pipes????
  13. Subject: Pipe Smoking
  14. Subject: A Pipe smoker's agony in the wilderness
  15. Subject: Erinmore flake
  16. Subject: Let me introduce myself.
  17. Subject: Follow up
  18. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscri...
  19. Subject: Toronto Tobacco Shop
  20. Subject: Re: Another FAQ request
  21. Subject: The Cigar Company
  22. Subject: Re: New Subscriber
  23. Subject: New acquisitions...
  24. Subject: Recent Pipes Digest
  25. Subject: Pipe Digest
  26. Subject: Greetings fellow smokers
  27. Subject: some reactions to several digests
  28. Subject: General blatherings
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