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Subject: Pipes Digest #181 -- March 12, 1995

		 Pipes Digest #181 -- March 12, 1995
	     Copyright (C) 1995 by Stephen P. Masticola.
	   All rights reserved. Commercial use prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 959

Welcome to new members:

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Again, this Digest has rather sparse punning commentary, but I feel
that our members have more than made up for what Your Moderator has
left out! There are a couple of administrative natterings in this
issue, but I'll leave that for the letters.

One minor question: We will probably break the 1000-member mark in the
next couple of issues. What can we do to celebrate? Any suggestions?
Maybe just light up and enjoy! -S.

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             Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
                        Call -- Write -- Vote
                        Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: John Mitchell <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

Thank you for placing me on the mailing list. 

I am an undergraduate at Harvard University and i enjoy a good pipe or a 
good cigar every now and then.

My tobacconist of choice is Leavitt & Peirce in Harvard Square. It's a 
great store.

I look forward to participating in this mailgroup in the future!

John C. Mitchell 

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From: ??????????????? (Mike Humphrys)
Subject: Thanks for the welcome!

Thanks for welcoming me to the mail list! FIrst off, is the above add. the
correct place to mail stuff for the digest, or to generally yak? (preceeding
sentence can be deleted if desired when publishing).
My name is Mike, I live in Vancouver, BC Canada.  I am a self-employed
chimney sweep, who also does a little DTP on the side. I have been a pipe
smoker for about 25 yrs. I have a small collection of pipes, mostly bents,
and all fiercly guarded from strangers <g>! I prefer the bents (either 1/2
or full) as I am in the bush a lot: hiking, camping, running my whippets.
Keeps me in shape, and allows me time to enjoy "the blue" without haranguing
from others. My wife smokes (cigs), and doesn't mind my pipe one bit (no pun
). As for tobaccos, my pref. seems to run to mediums, with light Latakia or
perique tangs, and Burley/English body. This not only makes for an enjoyable
smoke, but also a reasonably "sociable" one. I have used MacBaren's quite a
bit over the years, but like to blend my own better than store bought. I
tend to not smoke at work (g), but rather once I am in the comfort of
hearth, home, and bouncing canines. There is limited selection of
tobacconists establishments here on the WET coast, RJ Clark (the best in
town), and Sheffield & sons being the major players. Therefore, I have to
resort to "drug store" smoke when I am out of town and don't have a supply
of my regular (I forgot to pack it), or want a different smoke, to round out
my palette (this is what I say, my wife says it is AGAIN because I forgot to
pack it!). I don't like to buy large quantities because I find that it goes
a bit sour on me. This could be storage. I use a glass-lid, bail-wire
closure mason jar, and use a piece of bread or potato once in a while. I
don't leave the moisteners in too long, so that mould might develop. The
storage temperature is around the 60F mark. Even with this, I still find
that the taste suffers if left for more than a month. If I am doing
something wrong, I would like to hear about it.

>From out of "the Blue", 

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest 

Anyone interested in the NEW cigar club in Beverly Hills plese
E- mail me!!

[ Please tell us more! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Thomas Glenn Zimmerman)
Subject: Nat Sherman Cigars

I'm a new member to the Pipes Digest, so I'll give some info about myself 
first.  I'm a senior at Cornell University, majoring in anatomy and 
physiology, and have been smoking pipes and cigars for a couple of years.  I 
prefer mild smokes with both, and would welcome any and all suggestions for 
pipe blends or cigars.

One of my favorite cigars is from Nat Sherman's in NYC, the Host selection 
in the Hunter size.  It is extremely smooth, with a "fruity and nutty" 
flavor.  I was wondering if anyone could recommend a similar type of cigar; 
I've tried a couple of other brands at random and they were a little too 
strong and harsh for me.

My favorite pipe blend (so far) is also from Shermans - the Golden Virginia 
#580.  As with the cigar, I was wondering if anyone could suggest a similar 
blend.  I'm about 250 miles from NYC, and cannot get to their store too 
often.  I also would like to experiment with different smokes.  By the way, 
they have a good cigar catalog, and their phone number is 1-800-MY CIGAR.  
The store is on the corner of Fifth Ave. and 55th St.  If at the store, ask 
for Zeke.  He was an extremely helpful and knowledgeable salesman.

I've enjoyed reading all of the posts in the Digest.  I particularly like 
the how-to's and FAQ's (since I'm a beginner, probably).  Keep up the
good work! 

P.S. This is my first posting to the mailing list, so I'm not sure if this 
is the way to post something :-).

Danke sehr, Auf Wiedersehen! (Meine Unterschrift)

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Chicagoland Pipe Collectors Club

Valts:  the above Club is not new and has been active for several years, even
longer if you consider than many of the current active members participated
in the former and prestigious "All Pipe Smoking Chinese Gourmet and Large
Foot Society" during the 1980's, which was organized by Dennis DiPiazza. As
you correctly noted, Mike Reschke (708) 620-5033, is the
President-by-Default. He and Mike Hipwell have been organizing the meetings
for the past several years. What is new about this Club is the latest in what
seems to be temporary meeting places: Ramada (soon to be Radisson) Northbrook
(northern Chicago suburb); and we have our first newsletter! It features:
updates on event s around the country, spotlight on a collection (this last
one was the over one hundred of previous ly unseen Buteras owned by John
Goldberg), regular columns on books, other literature and antiques. Another
special in the last issue was a directory of Online pipe connections. As the
temporary Editor-by-Default, you can contact me: Rex Poggenpohl
at<??????????????????> to arrange the exchange of newsletters. Since I am
copying this to the Pipes Digest, the same offer is extended to other Club
Officials. Hope to make this years Corps Annual myself. Regards,.....Rex

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From: ???????????????? (Antonio A. Prado)
Subject: Maryland Law

Here in California, A.B.13, by Democratic Assemblyman Terry Friedman of
Hollywood, has banned smoking in enclosed workplaces since Jan. 1 of this
year. I don't think that includes bars, etc. I knew there was a more
restrictive smoking law passed here recently, but it came to light at the
Chino City Council meeting tonight. I cover the city for a regional
newspaper, and the council voted on a plan to enforce the law. All cities
are required to designate an agency to enforce it, under the state law.
Yes, another unfunded mandate for those who have that ax to grind. The city
apparently gets part of the fines, probably in the same forumla as speeding
and other moving violations, according to the city attorney.

I went to a restaurant recently where I asked if we were in the smoking
section, because we weren't asked "smoking or non" when we came in. The
hostess said it's only allowed at the bar.

The city attorney in Chino was unclear about the scope of restaurant
restrictions, but it definitely includes most businesses.

I suppose a restriction would be OK in common areas, like our newsroom, but
this includes private offices and everything.

Does the Maryland law include bars? If so that is pretty damn restrictive.
In any case, here in California it's a misdomeanor offense, but the smoker
isn't the one punished. It's the establishment which fails to ban smoking
inside. Not sure however, if California includes smoke shops. Anyone?

Antonio A. Prado

"It's all my fault ... I'm with the media"

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From: Bill Unger <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: My Pipes Digest Subscription

	Thank you, Steve, for adding me to the Pipes Digest subscription
list.  It is a grand thing you are doing.
	A bit about me.  I'm 52 years old and have been a fulltime
freelance writer and editor most of the time since I graduated from Ohio
State with an English Ph.D. in the mid-70s--the depth of the academic
depression.  I have been smoking a pipe since 1964, when I entered my M.A.
program.  (Visions of being a pipe-smoking English professor.  Oh well,
I'm batting .500.)  I smoke mostly large pipes and have been upgrading my
collection over the years so that the 30 or so pipes I smoke are mostly
the higher-grade Italians as well as some Charatons and Ashtons.  I
addition, I have taken up pipe restoration (not repair!) as a
therapeutic hobby, so I have about 300 like-new (sterilized, waxed, etc.)
pipes sitting in cases in my basement that I attempt to sell or swap from
time to time.  If anybody is looking for something special, I might just
have.  Having discovered that burly bites my tongue, I smoke Windsor from
Barclay Pipe and Tobacco here in Columbus.  It is an aged Virginia with a
bit of Perique.
	I am also the secretary/treasurer/newsletter editor (old fashioned
paper and the U.S. mails) of the Ohio Pipe Collectors.  I produce our
quarterly newsletter, which I attempt to fill with good information.  We
are in our third year now, and, for the past two, we have put on a one-day
swap/sell pipe show in Columbus.  We hope to continue doing so, although
we're trying to figure out how to do so on the cheap, since our dues are
only $12 per year, pro-rated for the month someone joins.  If any Digest
readers, especially from Ohio, think they might be interested in joining
the OPC, please E-mail me your name and mailing address, and I will get a comp
copy of the last newsletter into the mail.
	That's more than enough for now, I guess.  It's really great to be
hooked up to you, Steve, and all the others who share in our hobby.
Bill Unger

[ Thanks, Bill, and thanks for the sample issue! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Don Shuwarger, M.D., F.A.C.O.G.)
Subject: Hygrometer? Phooey!

Steve, much has been written about humidity in Pipes Digest and elsewhere.
I've often read recommendations for the use of digital
thermometer/humiditiy devices sold by Radio Shack and others.  I want to
report the result of some recent experiments to assess the usefulness of
these devices.

These experiments were conducted by Mr. Fred Dickens, a physicist retired
from Bell Laboratories.  To do these studies he used the commercially
available digital thermometer/hygrometer mentioned above.  As his reference
standard he used a wet/dry dual bulb cyclometer.  The thermometers were
Bell Laboratory grade.  This is the laboratory standard for all
measurements of relative humidity.  The cyclometer was slung for at least
2.5 minutes.  The comparison was done indoors and outdoors (in shade).

Multiple measurements in multiple locations on multiple days showed that
the digital thermometer was highly accurate.  The digital hygrometer was 20
- 25% inaccurate at all times.  The error was not uniform.  Sometimes it
read higher, other times lower.

Fred reports, anecdotally, that Bell Labs tried to use "precision" guages
and found them to have poor accuracy too.

Perhaps the compulsion to measure relative humidity in our humidors should
be moderated.  A device that is this inaccurate does not provide any useful
information. Let's skip the digital hygrometers and use the savings to buy
some first rate stogies!

Don Shuwarger, M.D., F.A.C.O.G.
A Rural America Ob/Gyn Physician           "May the FORCEPS be with you"
E-mail: ????????????????

[ I really suspected as much... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????? (John Ellis Perry Jr.)
Subject: Paul's Pipe Shop/Flint, MI

	I saw mention of Paul's Pipe Shop in Flint, Michigan, and was
reminded of my visit to it last summer.  I promised Mr. Spanioli to
write to you of his wonderful shop, and I now realize, with shame,
that I never did so.
	I first read of Paul's Pipe Shop and Pipe Hospital in this 
list.  I live in Ann Arbor, about 50 miles from Flint, and since I 
had heard of the pipe museum there, and never seen one, I decided to 
	I'm unfamiliar with Flint, so it took me a long time to wend my
way around Flint until I got to the downtown.  I haven't the foresight
to take directions... but finally I turned down a cobblestone street 
called Saginaw Street, and, quite by surprise, saw a sign: "Paul's
Pipe Shop and Pipe Hospital".  I wasn't sure I'd found the right place,
but I was ready for a stop, and so I went in.  It was the right place,
all right.
	The shop was empty except for an elderly man and what seemed to
be his assistant.  I browsed for a little while, then finally asked
the elderly man about his museum.
	"I'm Paul Spanioli," he introduced himself (the name meant
nothing to me), and I gave him my name.  It turns out you can't just 
traipse through the museum, you have to take the guided tour.
	Which he gave himself, for my exclusive benefit.
	I asked him about pipe smoking contests, and it was the right
question; he beamed, and explained that he was the world record holder
for world pipe smoking contests.  He proved it, too.  His museum
includes the pipes of all of the world record holders, and sure
enough, his name was under 6 of the pipes.  The first of his victories
was in 1951, the last in 1992.  He also designed the "official
tobacco", he told me.  He invented the concept of a contest to see how
long you can keep 3 grams of tobacco lit, using at most 2 matches.
	He showed me pictures and pipes used by Susan Hayworth, who
needed to smoke a pipe for a movie, and Harry S Truman, and many of
his personal star and long time friend, Mr. Charles S. Mott, auto 
executive and philanthropist, founder of the C S Mott Children's
Hospital, which is here in Ann Arbor at the University of Michigan.
	He showed me a pipe made for him with a compass embedded "so I
wouldn't get lost", he said.  He had granite pipes, cherry,
sandalwood, clay, metal (ouch!) and of course briar and meershaum 
	He has many carved pipes, one in the image of President Truman
that I remember.
	The guided tour is necessary.  His museum is not very organized;
it is packed far tighter than it deserves, with many of the best
displays in drawers.  There is nothing of security.  I would shudder
to think of people walking away with souvenirs, to later forget or
sell for low prices at garage sales.  Also, a personal guided tour
from such a knowledgeable and interesting pipe smoker is not to be
disdained!  I listened, spellbound as a child, to this man's
reminiscinces.  There was no fee, there were no souvenirs, he's
written no books (which disappointed me, as I couldn't even buy one
and ask for an autograph), just an amazing hour or so of a remarkable
education.  I'm sure he would have talked for much longer, but he is
an old man, and he was growing tired.
	Not too tired, though, he sent me to my car for my pipe, and
filled it for me, making sure I saw how he was doing it (little bit at
a time, tap and fill and tap and fill, then drill a hole through the
center with a pipe tool).  I bought a couple of half pounds of vanilla
blends (which were very good), thanked him sincerely, and departed.
	My apologies for not relating this earlier, when it was fresher
in my memory.  Instead I've relied on a few notes I took, and missed
much of what was so interesting about the tour.
	It was a wonderful experience.  If you are ever in Michigan, be
sure to stop by.  I will certainly return some day.

	I know the address is in the resource guide, but here it is again
just so you don't have to look it up:

	Paul's Pipe Shop and Pipe Hospital
	547 S. Saginaw St.
	Flint, MI 48502
	ph (313) 235-0581
John Ellis Perry, Jr. |  Internet: ??????????????????
                      |  UUCP    : ..!destroyer!netmeg!ohriman!jep

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From: Paul Baumgartel <???????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

Dear Steve,

[Administrativa deleted. -S. ]

I thought I would pass along a pleasant cigar-smoking surprise in the form of 
the Bering Cazadores.  These are quite inexpensive, and don't have the most 
elegant-looking wrapper, but they have a nice draw, burn evenly, and taste 
pretty good (outstanding...and, they are mild!).  

Also, for anyone who is in or near midtown Manhattan, the JR Tobacco retail 
store is a great place to buy singles to try.  The prices are lower than in 
most shops, and they often have in stock brands that are out of stock in the 
catalog warehouse in North Carolina.  The store is on 45th between Madison and
5th.  I'm fortunate enough to be on a consulting assignment on 45th just a 
couple of blocks away.

There were a few postings on alt.smokers.cigars over the last couple of 
weeks regarding tobacco farms in Connecticut.  I wonder if there's anyone 
else on the net who worked on those farms, as I did.  When I was growing 
up in a town in the Farmington River valley, there were many more 
independent shade tobacco farms than there are now, and they employed 14- 
and 15-year-old boys and girls each summer.  The boys picked the leaves and 
packed them into canvas baskets; the girls worked in the sheds, stringing the 
leaves onto laths which were then hung from beams.  I will always remember 
the aroma emanating from sheds while the natural-gas heaters on the shed floor 
warmed the air to aid in drying the leaves...wonderful!  Maybe that's why I 
took up cigars 25 years later! 

Many thanks for your help.  Keep up the great work!

Yours in the smokers' brotherhood,


| Paul Baumgartel                                                 |
| Principal Consultant                 Internet:  ??????????????? |
| Adept Computer Associates, Inc.      Phone/Fax:  (203) 735-3524 |

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From: ???????????????????

Steve Masticola, Moderator
Pipes Digest

Dear Steve,
	I was looking over the last digest and your reaction to the
"spamming" problem, where someone send a subscriber of the digest an
advertisement via e-mail. I appreciate that the digest is your idea
and you do most of the work, however, I feel your reac tion was
	Since this seems to be the first offense, wouldn't a slap on
the hand be enough? It appears that you are an "old-timer" on the
'net. Like it or not, commercial ventures are now paying for most of
the net operations. What started as a way for professors and others to
share ideas has become a world-wide communications network. I think we
are all going to have to get used to advertising. We don't control
what the postman puts in our box in front of our house. Don't get me
wrong, I don't want a huge amount
 of junk e-mail waiting for me, but like the old song goes..."The
times they are a-changin'." Please don't take this as a "flame," just
a difference of opinion. Keep up the good work on the digest.


Bruce Perrussel


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From: Steve Masticola <?????????????????????????????>
Subject: Advertising

Hi, Bruce,

There are several problems with the approach you have suggested.

First of all, one of my primary concerns in running the Digest is to
protect the privacy of the mailing list. I don't think the members
would like the consequences if, say, the antismokers got hold of

Mr. Alfano found a way to invade the privacy of the members.  Because
of his spamming, another member seemed concerned that I was _selling_
the list. In order to maintain the trust and respect of the members, I
felt that I must send a message to future spammers that their actions
would not be tolerated.

Second, Mr. Alfano had the option to send me a brief, tasteful message
on his humidor kits, which I would have happily put in the Digest and
circulated to the full membership. I have done this before with other
product announcements. Instead, Mr. Alfano chose to capture part of
the membership list and spam it. He could have done it the right way,
but he chose instead to do it the wrong way.

Third, there is some background information of which you are probably
not aware. Mr. Alfano sent me an apology, which at first appeared
sincere. I replied with a list of conditions under which I would
reinstate him and withdraw my objections to ???????????????????
Basically, these conditions amounted to issuing an apology copied to
myself, ??????????????????, and all the people he spammed. I believe
these were fair. However, he did not do this; I must therefore assume
that he was not as contrite as he had seemed.

Fourth, while there is a place for advertising on the net, I do not
believe that it should be in the form of unsolicited junk mail. Web
pages and FTP sites do just fine for that sort of thing, and only
those who want the advertising see it. A lot of people pay per byte
for their mail, and do not want junk email cluttering up their
feeds. The people who own and operate the facilities also pay for the
junk mail, as well as the wanted information.

Fifth, I do not agree that junk email must be inevitable.  I have
personally had to take an unlisted number to prevent junk phone calls
from distracting me at home. Radio, TV, and snailmail are full of
junk. Must we also submit this new medium to the will of the

Finally, what sort of "slap on the wrist" would you suggest? And how
would it deter others who want to capture the mailing list and spam

I regret that Mr. Alfano forced me to take a rather distasteful
action, but I believe that I have done the right thing.

I'll post your letter, and this reply, in the Digest. If some member
can suggest a better way to handle this sort of thing in the future,
I'd be glad to take it under advisement.

- Steve.

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From: ???????????????????
Subject: Additional discussions

     Thank you for your prompt reply. I agree, this is a difficult
situation and we all know that "hard cases make bad law." My reading
of the letter in the digest suggested that the offender may have send
his "ad" to a few people, but it appears he may have really "spammed"
the mailing list.  I didn't receive anything, but I've only been
published once almost a year ago. One man's junk mail may be another's
gold. I know that some services pay by the byte, so that is always an
issue.  I'm sure that e-mail list will be bought and sold in the near
future as are snail mail addresses.  In my business dealings I can
call a "list broker" and receive snail mail lists for pipe smokers to
believers in the occult. Its what we call capitalism. Alot of what I
get as junk mail goes into the recycle bag, but if you send me
something on ham radio, say, I'll be sure to open it. (BTW, Ham Call
Signs, names and addresses are public information through the FCC.)
     If I were in your shoes, I may have taken the same action. I just
thought a full discussion of the issue was needed. It will be
interesting to see the reaction of the membership to receiving ads via
e-mail vs ads in the digest. Keep up the good work on the digest.


Bruce Perrussel, B.A. Communication/Washington State University

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From: nelson steven d <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Personal Bio for Pipes Digest

Hi, Steve,

Sorry it's taken me so long to get this personal info out, but this is my 
first free time in quite a while (thank gawd for spring break!:))  
Anyway, thanks for adding me to the mailing list.  I've really enjoyed 
the two issues I've received so far.  Here's the requested info:

I'm a graduate student at the University of Illinois, going for my 
master's in the teaching of chemistry.  Yep, I want to be a high school 
chemistry teacher (ooo, scary).  I've been smoking a pipe since my senior 
year of high school, when my mother, of all people, gave me my first pipe 
before my senior prom.  I started collecting pipes, but from the 
perspective of gathering pipes that I personally like to smoke, rather 
than any conscious effort to develop any sort of complete collection.  
Currently I have a moderate number of pipes (about 15 or so) and have 
only recently become interested in the more serious aspects of 
collecting.  I also smoke cigars, and my tastes run a little towards the 
more expensive brands.  My current favorite cigar is an Arturo Fuente 
Hemingway, although I like to try other types, and often ask the 
knowledgeable staff at Jon's Pipe Shop in Champaign (a truly outstanding 
place) for recommendations.  Smoke in peace!


Steve Nelson               |  "It is easier for a man to be loyal to his club
?????????????????????????  |   than to his planet; the bylaws are shorter, 
			   |   and he is previously acquainted with the other
			   |   members."     --  E.B. White    

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From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: capital area pipe smokers (caps)

     a quick note to relate events at the last caps meeting, held 8 march in 
fairfax, va.  fifteen hardy souls braved a driving rainstorm (2 inches in 5 
hours) which turned into a driving snow/sleet storm to attend the meeting. 
 in light of the conditions, the turnout was very gratifying since as a new 
club (formed last october), we only have 33 members.  george riddile brought 
his outstanding collection of dunhills and talked about dating these 
collectibles.  some of the members who attended the 1 march big smoke gave 
their impressions of what was obviously a very successful event.  john 
hayes, a local pipeshop owner, provided larsen tobaccos and centennial *v* 
cigars to sample.  caps has been very fortunate to receive support from john 
and from gary pesh, owner of the tobacco barns in northern virginia, who 
provided goodies at our january meeting.  an added benefit of the meeting, 
apart from the tons of wonderful blue smoke we put in the air, was finding 
out that 4 other members besides myself are avid motorcyclists.  we are 
eagerly awaiting the onset of spring so we can ride together.
     caps is planning a  15 april trek (i was going to say outting but even 
this word has taken on unfortunate connotations) to pennsylvania to visit 
the shop of pipe carver james boswell (no relation to samuel) and a cookout 
1 june.  we invite those pipe smokers residing in the area as well as any pd 
subscribers who may be visiting to join us for either of these events. 
 please contact me for further information. sk


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From: ????????????????? (Wayne Baker)
Subject: Pipes Digest

Hi Steve,

Thank you for getting the Pipe Digest to me so quickly.  When I found you on
the WWW I was amazed at the extent of the service and it popularity.  It is
good to see as the anti-smoking attitudes are taking its toll on the
smokeshops and enthusiests alike.

My Smokin' History.

I started smoking a pipe in tech school(15 years ago).  Since then my pipe
collection has grown from a single briar pipe to a collection of 18 pipes
consisting of briar, meerschuam and clay pipes.  I don't smoke cigars mainly
because my wife despises the aroma.  She loves the smell of a good aromatic
blend from my pipe so I am happy with that.  

Like I said I like aromatic blends.  Tinder Box used to sell a blend called
Chocolate Treat but has discontinued it.  Any idea of a similar blend out
there?  I live in Iowa, yes Iowa not Idaho.  Soybeans, corn and pork are our
trademarks not potatos!  There are few smokeshops around in this area.  The
one shop (Tinderbox in DesMoines, 50miles away) is not the shop it used to
be.  It used to be ran by a great guy, who moved to Michigan  to open a
store there.  Since he left the shop just isn't as friendly.  The stock of
pipes is smaller and less quality and higher prices.  The blends I have
purchased lately have been dry and somewhat stale. 

SO, I am looking for a good mail order supplier for my tobacco!  

Some of my favorite smokeshops;
My first;       Town Crier 
                Nichols Parkway Mall
                Kansas City MO
They got me off to a good start.  If I have any advice for beginning or
future pipe smokers is find a good pipe shop who will sell you a quality
pipe, let you sample blends and instruct you on the correct way to load and
smoke your pipe. 

"Yes you can smoke a pipe without tonge bite, Dimestore Cowboy!"

Favorite Shops!
        Diebels of Kansas City (Plaze Shop)
I see they are in your directory as the Crown Center Shop but their Plaza
store has a wonderful atmosphere.  They used to have a carver working full
time.  I have one of their custom pipes.  It's great!.  They are a full
service smokeshop.  
        Up in Smoke, Galleria Mall, Dallas TX
This is another very friendly shop.  Great selection of everything!  Great

I try and check out smokeshops whenever/wherever I can.  It's a hobby.

A great book for Smokers is The Ultimate Pipe Book by Richard Hacker.  I
would recommend it to anyone.  I understand he has written one about cigars
also.  If any of you have a book or know where I can get it, I am looking
for a book called "The Collectible Pipe" by Benjamin Rappaport.  I can't
find it anywhere.  

Well that's me.  Thanks for the information and I look forward to reading
more of Pipes Digest!

Thanks, I wish all a long cool smoke!

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From: "Weinstein, John, Dr, NSS" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: new at pipe smoking

hello david and welcome to the past time of contemplation.

here are a few hints to cool down the raging inferno in your mouth:

     -  re. type of pipe:
          o get a pipe with a long shank, thick walls, a large bowl and one 
without  a varnish coating.  unfortunately, inexpensive pipes generally lack 
most if not all of the above.
          o  you may want to try a corn cob pipe.  they are very porous and 
do a good job of diffusing the heat and absorbing the wetness that 
accompanies the smoking of many aromatic tobaccos (which smell like they 
should be eaten rather than smoked).  also consider buying a reconditioned 
(used but cleaned up) estate pipe.  for a little more than the price of a 
drugstore pipe, you can get a quality piece of wood that will give you a 
lifetime of good smoking.

     - re. tobacco:
          o  avoid long, ribbon cut ("shag") tobaccos.  they burn quickly 
and tend to produce more heat.
          o be careful of aromatic drugstore tobaccos.  some contain 
additives that smoke hot.  also, the sweeter smelling tobaccos tend, in my 
opinion, to burn wetter and hotter.  go to a tobacconist and ask for a 
natural or very light aromatic.
          o  i would further suggest that you look for a tobacco with a good 
amount of burley (vice virginia) tobacco.  the latter burns hotter than the 
former.  also, ask for a burley that is cube cut.  this cut burns slower and 
therefore cooler.

     - re. technique:
          o  don't puff too quickly.  this produces a hot smoke.
          o  a tobacco packed too loosely will smoke hot while one packed 
too tightly will be impossible to draw.  don't worry, though, in time, 
you'll get the hang of it all.

pipe smoking is a wonderful and relaxing past time.  it was a bit tough 
going for me when i started 27 years ago.  i stayed with it and i'm glad i 
did.  i'm also glad you asked the questions on the net rather than give up 
after a few bad experiences.  if i can be of further help, let me know.


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From: ?????????????
Subject: cigars

[ Several letters concatenated. -S. ]

1-800-JR-CIGAR  phone#

best prices on cigars in the country. The new El Rey Del Mundo
line smoke like the cuban montecristo !

Subject: pipe tobacco

very hard to find good custom blended tobaccos these days
most shops are selling bulk tobaccos and giving them fancy

Subject: Re: #5(6) Your Pipes Digest subscription request

the new ElRey Del Mundo line being sold by J.R tobacco is as close as you can
come in flavor as well as construction to the
cuban montecristo. Rosado wrapper, honduran filler and binder
creamy smooth and nutty........

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From: Bill Unger <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Your London Request, Pipe Digest 180

	As editor of the Ohio Pipe Collectors newsletter, I received in
the mail a while back a flyer from Birchall's Pipe Shop.  The address is
The Pipe Shop, 14 Talbot Rd, Blackpool FY1 1 LF, telephone (0253 24218,
fax (0253 291659.  I don't think this is London, but it might be close. 
The flyer shows part of their selection of Ferndown pipes.  I own two
Ferdown Barks and believe they are an excellent English-made pipe.
	If you want to send me your mailing address, I will forward the
flyer to you.  I told our members about it in our last newsletter and have
no further use for it.  I wish your girlfriend good hunting and hope that
you intend to educate her extensively and quiz her deeply before she
leaves.  Good luck.
Bill Unger

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From: ????????????????? (Arthur Greenwald)
Subject: Reply to replies

Dear Steve,

In the March 6th Pipes Digest, Ray Bromley and Steve J.(Briar Man)
replied to my previous letter complaining about the increasing
frequency and vehemence of posts railing against the anti-smoking

I have no doubt that both Ray and Steve know more than I do
about the scientific literature on second-hand smoke. My quarrel
isn't with their facts, but whether this stuff is the kind of thing
most readers expect or want in Pipes Digest. It's not "ironic" that
I site Dr. Koop as a voice opposed to smoking. As Republican
appointees Drs. Koop and Novello are good examples that anti-smoking
attitudes are not merely the provence of "liberal do-gooders." Any
battle for "smoker's rights" must be fought on the field of public
relations more than statistics.

I expect that Ray, Steve and I may have to agree to disagree on this
matter, and that's fine with me.

I think it's worth noting that while obviously irritated, Ray and Steve
managed to criticize my letter without resorting to insult or even much
sarcasm. Steve was even kind enough to e-mail me privately to politely
forewarn me of his impassioned response.

It's nice to know that the Pipes Digest community saves it's flames
for the tobacco!


[ Thanks for your comments, Arthur! I have the feeling that both sides
on this debate have good reasons for feeling the way they do. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Trying Tobacco

I have been smoking the same tobacco blend exclusively for about five 
years. It is Fader Flake from Faders in Baltimore. When you find 
something you like you may as well stick with it, right. But,the 
discussion in Pipes Digest made me start thinking about variety and 
trying something different. I also wanted to try out some of the new 
resources I found in the list and anyway I was getting annoyed with 
Faders. I had ordered a kg. a week earlier and it hadn't arrived. I 
was running out of tobacco. With a phone call I learned that they 
were also out. I didn't get it until almost a month later. I like 
their tobacco but I do not like their attitude or service. I needed 
to find a new source.

I first tried Cornell & Diehl and got a sample of six of their 
English blends. They are all very good tobacco. The best IMO is 531 
Yale Mixture which I believe is a copy of Cravens. It is excellent 
and I plan to get some more. The 965 is also quite good. Prices are 

Next stop was J.R. Tobacco for some Bengal Slices which I had never 
tried before. I liked this a lot also and will keep some around for 
occasional an treat or change of pace. Still not as good as Fader 
Flake and a bit expensive at about $33 a pound plus shipping. I burn 
1.5-2 lb. per month. The Fader's is not cheap either, With shipping 
it gets to about $23 a pound.

Before I started with Fader Flake I had generally smoked McClelland's 
tobaccos. The switch was made for economy. Five years ago the 
McClelland tobacco was approaching $20 per pound, at that time the 
Faders was $12. I guess we can talk about the good old days. Anyway, 
I placed a call to John B. Hayes and got a pound of 2015-$26. The 
McClellands bulk tobacco are IMO the best available. I was wishing it 
wasn't so expensive when I spotted an old friend who I hadn't talked 
to in several years--Bob Hamlin at PCCA.

I called Bob to check his price. His offer was $100 for five pounds 
including shipping. At $20 a pound this is a bargain. I have found a 
new steady smoke and one which will allow some variety. I like all 
the McClelland 2000 series blends. 2015 and 2035 I like best. Bob had 
told me five years ago that Ashton tobaccos were no longer 
manufactured so I had quit looking for them. At that time Ashton 
Black Parrot was the best tobacco I had ever smoked. I smoked it 
occasionally when I wanted to be nice to myself. At $30 a pound it 
was an occasional treat. Now Bob tells me that Ashton tobacco went 
away when McConnel the manufacturer went out of business but came 
back and was now manufactured by Kolehaus in Germany and that it was 
distributed by David Field. After exchanging email with Mr. Field to 
find a source, I was off to Holt's in Philidelphia.

Yes, they had Ashton Black Parrot and I got a couple of cans. Now it 
is $50 a pound. I still like it but not as much as I remember. My 
guess is it is a matter of aging. I think the McConnel version was 
better than five years old when I smoked it. It is still worth 
trying. Another thing I learned from Bob was that Ashton was looking 
for a new manufacturer and that soon their tobacco may be made by 
McClellands. I am looking forward to this.

The last Digest had an article by Bob Hamlin which mentioned some 
limited edition tobacco he carried. Bob had not mentioned these when 
we talked so I had to call him to find out what this is about. I 
ordered some of three varieties. They arrived yesterday. The can that 
caught my eye was the Equinox. Quoting from the label, "A delicately 
balanced blend of the finest tobaccos grown in the universe. Smoked 
Latakia from Syria, the spicy Basma of Greece's Macedonian region, 
our own supreme flue-cured Virginias, all aged over two years in the 
tin. Incomparable." Off with the lid and into the pipe. The label did 
not exagerate in fact it was conservative. It should have said 
incredible. The bad news is that only 250 cans were manufactured, 
worse was that Bob limited buyers to 20 cans. At $7.50 for 50gms, it 
is not cheap, but I would still call it a bargain. Bob gets a call 
Monday for my 20 tin order if I can't talk him into more. I'm going 
to hate to see my Amex bill this month.

Most decent tobacco stores carry McClelland tobaccos, but as with all 
bulk tobacco they give it their own name. If you would like to try 
some just ask for a couple of ounces of 2035 or 2015 or any number by 
fives between 2000 and 2050. You will like it.

Till later

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From: ??????????????
Subject: An unfortunate experience

Hi Steve & fellow smokers,
Thanks for the back issues of the Digest you sent me, Steve.  They make for
very enjoyable and relaxed reading.  
An unfortunate thing happened to me recently that I thought I'd share with
other members of the group.  Hopefully this hasn't happened to too many
While making my usual one-hour morning commute from Baltimore to D.C. on
I-95, I was trying to shake out the last of the ashes from the bowl of my
Charatan bent bulldog out the car window prior to loading up another bowl,
just as I've done thousands of other times.  However, this particular morning
(I must not have had enough coffee or something) I lost my grip on my pipe
and watched in the rear-view mirror in horror as my Charatan went scittering
along the asphalt until it was lost from view when it disappeared under the
wheels of the 18-wheeler that was following me.   I considered pulling over
and going back to look for it but decided that would be both foolish &
dangerous, as all four southbound lanes of I-95 were packed at the time with
high-speed rush hour traffic.  Besides, even if I were fortunate enough to
find my pipe, it most likely would have been ruined and/or covered with road
rash.  Not only did I lose one of my favorite pipes (although it wasn't
terribly expensive, it had a lot of sentimental value because I bought it in
'86 the same week that my oldest son was born and I've always associated that
pipe with that particular event), but because I didn't have any cigars or
other pipes with me I ended up not being able to smoke at all that day.
The only silver lining in all this is that now I can justify buying  another
pipe.  I haven't found a suitable replacement yet, but I've spent a lot of
time looking so far.  I'd really like to get an Ashton or Tilshead (I've
never had either one before), but realistically I'll probably settle for a
nice straight-grain Peterson or maybe another Charatan if I can find one that
I like.  Oh well, like I said, I hope this hasn't happened to any of the rest
of you.  Good smoking, and remember to "hang on tight"  to your pipe near an
open window!
Joe H.        

[ The horror! The horror! My condolences. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Glycerol in tobacco

Dear Steve -

I have been interested by the comments flying back and forth in recent
Digests concerning the addition of glycerol to pipe tobaccos.  I thought I'd
weigh in with my 2-cents' worth (and everyone here in the group now knows how
I can't keep my big mouth shut!).

If you want to know whether or not a certain tobacco contains glycerol
there's an easy way to find out.  Just take a little bit, put it on a paper
towel and let it sit out to dry.  If it dries out
to a crispy, crackly crunch it, then the tobacco is pure.  If, however after
sitting out for a week or two it's still just as moist as when it came out of
the pouch (or can or whatever), then it has been treated with glycerol.  A
shortcut test would be to put it in the oven (minus paper towel, of course)
on a low heat.

I've had a fair amount of experience with this.  For a few years I was under
the influence of someone who believed that the only proper way to smoke a
pipe was with bone dry tobacco.
During this time I religiously dried out my tobacco before smoking it.  I
have thankfully given up this practice, although it did give me some insight
concerning the glycerol issue.  Being a fan of variety, I have always
included aromatics in my smoking repertoire, and during my "dry" period I did
find that some aromatics would dry out more or less completely.  One of those
was an aromatic blend that's still one of my favorites - a blend called
"Continental", available only from the original Tinder Box in Santa Monica.
 Similar experiences have led me to wonder about just how universal the
process of casing really is when it comes to the making of aromatics.

Concerning Cope's Escudo and Murray's Erinmore flake I can state that without
doubt they are NOT treated with glycerol.  I don't know what might cause the
"soapy" taste being experienced by some folks when they smoke these tobacs,
but I've never experienced it.  It might be coming from interactions with
residues from earlier smokes, but it certainly isn't coming from glycerol.
 In fact, tobacco manufacturers in the U.K. are prohibited by law from adding
glycerol to their products.  This law goes back to the 17th century, and was
enacted by King James I (yes - the same guy who authored the infamous
"Counterblaste to Tobacco").  The law forbids the adulteration of tobacco in
any way.  In general the vacuum sealing of tins makes the use of humectants
unnecessary, although some manufacturers outside the U.K. do it any way.  For
example, I used to find that many MacBaren's tobaccos 
were virtually impossible to dry out - most likely due to glycerol.  I don't
know why they felt they had to do it.  It's been quite a while since I've
smoked MacBaren's blends, so for all I know they might have stopped using it.

The ultimate glycerol test is in the smoking.  The ash at the bottom of the
bowl tells the story.  A fine light gray ash, and the tobacco is
unadulterated.  A medium to dark gray ash, and I would have my suspicions.
 Black, sticky clumps and the answer is obvious.  With all due respect to Mr.
Tarler of C & D, his comment about how "everybody does it" just simply isn't

That's it for now.  Keep up the good work, Steve!  And I'm glad to see that
we're about to pass the 1,000 mark with our subscribers!

Best Regards,

Steve J. (Briar Man)

[ Thanks for the note! But I'm not sure about the test, never having
found a tobacco that _wouldn't_ dry out... Do you have an example? -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Elias Mazur)
Subject: Re: Any good American-made pipes?

>From: ??????????????
>Hi Steve,
>I have a pipe-related question that hopefully will elicit some responses.
>Does anyone know of a high-quality, American-made pipe in the $100-130 price

[ Most of previously published letter deleted. -S. ]

>Joe Hurley (??????????????)


There is a very good pipe maker in NYC called Connoisseur Pipe Shop.
The name of the owner/pipe maker is Burak.  He makes all his pipes.
He has a wide range of good to very high quality pipes.  He also makes
some one-of-a-kind pipes with special designed shapes.  If you get to
go to New York City it is a great idea to visit the shop.  They also
do mail order both on pipes and tobacco (good tobacco by the way).
I've bought several of their pipes including some high quality ($100)
ones, and am very satisfied with them.  Great smokes.  He claims all
the briar he buys is good quality and only the best goes into the
higher grades.  Here is the address:

Connoisseur Pipe Shop
1285 Avenue of Americas (at 51st), Concourse level.
New York, NY  10019 (in the Paine Weber Bldg.)

Quick directios:
Go to the corner of Ave of Americas and 51st St.  Go into the Paine
Weber building.  Find the escalator in the back of the lobby and go
down to the concourse level.  It is right there.

Store hours: Mon-Fri 8AM-6PM
Tel: (212) 247-6054

Give them a call and ask for their catalog.

Smoke in peace.

- Elias Mazur

[ As Elias knows, I agree on the reco for Connoisseur! -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #181 -- March 12, 1995
  2. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  3. Subject: Thanks for the welcome!
  4. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest
  5. Subject: Nat Sherman Cigars
  6. Subject: Chicagoland Pipe Collectors Club
  7. Subject: Maryland Law
  8. Subject: My Pipes Digest Subscription
  9. Subject: Hygrometer? Phooey!
  10. Subject: Paul's Pipe Shop/Flint, MI
  11. Subject: Pipes Digest
  12. Subject: Advertising
  13. Subject: Additional discussions
  14. Subject: Personal Bio for Pipes Digest
  15. Subject: capital area pipe smokers (caps)
  16. Subject: Pipes Digest
  17. Subject: new at pipe smoking
  18. Subject: cigars
  19. Subject: pipe tobacco
  20. Subject: Re: #5(6) Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  21. Subject: Your London Request, Pipe Digest 180
  22. Subject: Reply to replies
  23. Subject: Trying Tobacco
  24. Subject: An unfortunate experience
  25. Subject: Glycerol in tobacco
  26. Subject: Re: Any good American-made pipes?
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