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Subject: Pipes Digest #183 -- March 27, 1995

		 Pipes Digest #183 -- March 27, 1995
	     Copyright (C) 1995 by Stephen P. Masticola.
	   All rights reserved. Commercial use prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 1022

Welcome to new members:

	 ???				(???????????????)
	 Martin Eliasson		(???????????????????????)
	 Baruch Gorkin			(????????????????)
	 Bob Curtis			(???????????)
	 Jon Murphy			(????????????????????)
	 Timothy C. Caton		(????????????????????)
	 Matthew E. Renkey		(????????????????????)
	 David Tracy			(???????????????)
	 Markus Wabro			(?????????????????????????????????)
	 Gary				(?????????????????)
	 Jonathon W. Davis		(??????????????????????)
	 Tom Coffin			(????????????????????????????????)
	 Zachary Gomez			(??????????????????)
	 Marc Miller			(????????????)
	 Mike Spain			(???????????????)
	 Erich Deathinstiller		(???????????????????)
	 Chuck Walker Jr.		(????????????????????????????????)
	 Jim Dunne			(?????????????????????????)
	 Roger Hawkins			(???????????????)
	 Dennis H. Congos		(????????????????????????)
	 Karl-Georg Kanjo		(???????????????????)
	 Douglas Friedman		(???????????????????)
	 Dan Leadbetter			(??????????????)
	 Rob Calafell			(????????????????????)
	 Roy Kreusel			(????????????????)
	 Bob Taylor			(?????????????????)
	 David Lonie			(???????????????????)
	 ???				(??????????????)
	 Bob Weiske			(?????????????????????)
	 Fred Millard			(?????????????????)
	 ???				(??????????????????)
	 David R. Hodgert		(????????????????????????)
	 John Wm. Trainer III		(?????????????????)

And, as you can see, we broke a thousand this issue! Congratulations
to Jonathon W. Davis (??????????????????????), who is our Designated
1000th Member. (In all likelihood, we probably broke 1000 sign-ups
some time ago, but this is the first issue in which the active list
has been over 1000. Besides, Yr. Moderator hasn't been counting the

On another note: Sam Alfano (????????????????????) has complied with
my request that he send apologies to the 20-or-so members to whom he
sent his ad.  This convinced me that he probably just made an error in
judgment, and that it won't likely happen again. Therefore, I've
reinstated him in the group and re-listed his humidor business in the
Resource Guide. Let's hope that nothing similar happens for a good
long time!

On a third note: Steve Beaty tells me that Cray Computer has shut down
operations, probably taking the Digest web site with it, sooner or
later. More importantly, Steve, like everyone else at craycos, is
unemployed. If you can help with either problem, please let us know.

And now, please let's forget our troubles for a while, and join in a
bowl or stick of something good, for this millenial issue...

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From: "Kameran Kashani" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #182 -- March 20, 1995


Here's a heads up for everyone on the Pipes list. Next month's
issue of Scientific American (May 95) promises to have an
article on "the world-wide tobacco epidemic." This little
gem appeared in a sidebar ad in the current issue of
the magazine, and there was no further information on what
exactly would be in the article. Your guess is as good as
mine... and my guess is that the word "epidemic" implies
the article will be biased. We'll see.

Kameran Kashani

[ Sorry to hear about that, Kam. I've subscribed to SA for 21 years
now, but have been a pipe smoker even longer. And I'll let 'em know
that if they force me to drop my subscription. I still do not
voluntarily support organizations that persecute me. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????? (Patrick Neil North)
Subject: Smmmmmmmmokin'!!

Dear Steve,

Can't say that the question has been posed more directly in this forum, so
tell us, what _do_ you smoke?  My current (and constant) favorite is
Dunhill #965- the right moment and a bowl of 965 can be almost
transcendental.  Perhaps pouring your heart out over your favorite sources
of puffing pleasure would inspire others lurking about the digest to come
forward and spout their favorites, and why they are so...  Just a thought.
As ever,
Patrick North

~~~Patrick Neil North/ Lyons Hall Room 315/ University Park PA 16802~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~email: ??????????????~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Happiness is everything.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[ Well, while I was editing up this Digest, I finished a bowl of
PCCA's "Dulcet." Other times, it's lately been one of several Macbaren
mixtures, or some of Cornell & Diehl's vanilla cavendish.
Occasionally, Bengal Slices.  And I may call California and make a
foray into Esoterica soon. In two words, it varies... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Re: #1(3) Pipes Digest #181 -...


You were right on with your action w/ Mr. Alfano. Thanks for keeping the
digest clean.

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Re: #3(3) Pipes Digest #181 -...


Thanks for #181. This is my third issue and I "almost" enjoy it as much as my
Cigar Afficionado subscription, which is a big compliment. 

Just wanted to pass on that I was in Citrus Heights, CA (a Sacramento suburb)
this past weekend and found one of the few remaining Tinder Box stores in
Northern California at Sunrise Mall (6144 Sunrise Mall, Citrus Heights,
CA..ph# 916-725-3231). 

I pleasantly found an impressive array of high-end cigars. Fuente Hemingways
of all sizes and Fuente "El Sublimado's" (hope I got that right)  were in
abundance. Partagas Limited Reserve green label were also a find. This is
only a start to their superb walk-in humidor. I was forced to pull out the
credit card.

Mission Pipe Shop in San Jose is my normal tobacconist. They also carry an
excellent variety of cigars including the Dunhill line, Por Larranga, Avo's,
etc. However, they have difficulty in maintaining a consistent supply of the
high-end Fuente's. Demand is too high.

Just base information to anyone traveling through, or living in, Northern
California.  Also:

                      "??????????????"      ......THANK-YOU!!!!

Thanks again Steve.

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From: ????????????? (Antti Kalliokoski)
Subject: About Ronia pipe

-Hi Steve and all the near 1000 readers of this list

Jason Hayes asked in Pipes Digest number 182 about a second hand pipe he had 
bought. He read the name *Ronia*. I think the name is *ROMA*. It is a 
Savinelli clone and is quite popular here in Europe. If you are lucky, you 
can get a very good pipe buing this Savinelli Roma. It is meant to be smoked 
with Savinelli balsa system-stick in it. They recommend to use the stick 
just once. The stick takes the moisture in it and I think that it gives no 
side flavour to your puffs.

I hope that you could get the smell of pot from your Savinelli Roma, Jason.

I have seven different types of Roma-pipes in my collection and I think most 
of them are quite good, but you must use these balsa filters in them because 
the 9 mm hole is too wide without the filter. BTW, I think that we pipe 
smokers are a little conservative and prejudiced with these new innovations. 
Another point of view is of course the enviromentalist. What about cutting 
those balsa forests?

Let's enjoy smoking our pipes and be happy to learn that our estimated 
living age is no shorter than with *the good people*!

Happy puffs!

Antti Kalliokoski (?????????????)

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From: ??????????????????????????????? (Gerald Belton)
Subject: Bright tobacco

In the last Pipes Digest, you ask:

[ Are Bright leaves used much in any blends for pipe of which you're
aware? -S. ]

At least one blend comes to mind.  The Half-and-Half brand, sold in American 
drug stores and supermarkets, claims on the label to be "Burley and Bright." 
 I would guess, based on the name, that it is 50% Bright tobacco.  I haven't 
actually tried smoking the stuff, though.

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From: Cort Odekirk <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #182 -- March 20, 1995


Wandering about the WWW I have run into several people who, like myself,
have created sub-pages of their Homepages dedicated to pipes and cigars. 
It strikes me that perhaps we could create an area in the Pipes WWW site
where these pages could be listed, allowing people to browse the humble
efforts of their fellow enthusiasts.

I havn't said anything to the page maintainer yet, I wanted to bounce the
idea off the 'list and see what the general consensus was first.

Cort Odekirk            http://www.halcyon.com/maelstrm/homepage.html
I am Porky Pig of the Borg.  
You will be asi-asi-asi-asi-asi, you will join us.

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From: Bob Curtis <???????????>
Subject: P.D. request, submission

I _think_ I recently sent you a request to add my name to your Pipes 
Mailgroup list - If not, please add me now.

I received the following forward from a reader of your group. He suggests 
I send you a re-print of several of my recent posts to asc for inclusion 
in response to a request on that mlist....

BTW, I've gotton a lot of good feedback on this series of posts - So far 
everyone who's responded is delighted with being able to callibrate their 
hygrometers. Feel free to edit/editorialize on this material - just don't 
change it's "technical" content!

>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:54:31 -0500
>From: Marc Dashevsky <??????????????????>
>To: ???????????
>Subject: Pipes Digest Needs Your Help
>I think I recall you mentioning in a post that you don't get Steve 
>Pipes Digest.  Anyway, the latest issue contains the following:
>| From: ????????????????
>| Subject: Prylene Glycol???
>| Hi All,
>|   I have heard alot of things about "Oasis" and Glycol to make a good
>| homemade humidors for cigars.  I have bought them both, and now don't know
>| how much of the glycol i should use with what amount of distilled 
>| water.. I
>| have heard 50-50. 20-80. but i don;t know.. If you could suggest 
>| something i | would appreciate it.. Thanks alot
>| David G.
>| (Please reply e-mail because i don't know how to get it otherwise)
>| [ To whoever replies: I'd appreciate a copy for the next Digest, too!
>| -S. ]
>If you have the time, you might drop Steve a note at 
>containing your Propylene Glycol and Radio Shack hygrometer calibration
>posts to a.s.c.
[submissions follow...]

Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars
Subject: Re: Buying propylene glycol
Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:06:52 -0500

Any solution with a fixed composition has a fixed vapor pressure at a
given temperature and total pressure.  If the solution has only one
volatile component (water), then the vapor pressure is caused by that
component only (i.e., you won't find PG in the vapor phase). By 
coincidence, the vapor pressure of a saturated solution of PG is about 

To put it more simply, PG is a hydroscopic substance - It absorbs moisture
from the enviroment (like a salt shaker does in humid weather). The
distilled water evaporates until the ambient humidity approaches 70%. At
that point the PG won't allow any more moisture in the air. This is called
"Vapor pressure". Conversly, if there is too much moisture in the air, the
PG solution absorbs the excess, bringing the system _down_ to 70% as well. 

PG is certainly not the only solution with a suitable vapor pressure for
cigar storage. As several posters have pointed out, a glycerine solution
will also work in a credo. Being a thicker substance, I feel that
glycerine solutions ultimately "plug-up" the pores of your medium,
reducing it's effective surface area. Both are non-toxic, but PG actually
has anti-bacterial properties, which means you may use it alone, where
glycerine should be mixed with some sort of inhibitor to prevent "nasties"
from growing inside your credo. (this is the "secret formula" in some 
glycerine based solutions).

Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars
Subject: Re: Propylene glycol and distilled water?????
Date: 8 Mar 1995 23:07:34 -0500

> I have a few questions about this substance.. 
>I read a FAQ about humidors and this chemical came up alot.. Supposedly it
>is to be mixed with water and used to hydrate an "Oasis" foam.. Does the
>Propylene Glycon help make it so it will only humidify to 70%???

Yes, 71% specifically. PG is fairly hydroscopic. it will only allow water 
to evaporate till the ambient stabilizes at that level. It will also 
actually absorb moisture from a too-humid enviroment to stabilize at 71% 
as well. This makes it ideal for regulating a humidor.

>  I called the Pharmacy and it seems to be a big deal to get.. They said
>they would specially order it for me, and i have to sigh it out because it
>is not labeled for customers...  But they said they would get me a pint
>for 7.00.. is that good???

Hehehe. If you buy it mixed with water at a smoke shop, you'll pay 
upwards of $10/oz. Yes, I'd say $7/ pint is excellent! :-)

>How much distilled water do i mix with it??? 

50/50 to start.  It's not that critical, as the water evaporates
eventually anyway - the proportions are constantly changing because of
this. Don't forget to use distilled water to replentish is as needed. 

> Should i use the whole thing at once and hold onto the solution???  

It doesn't matter. Pre-mixed or not, it's a stable compound - It'll keep 
well for years. 

Good luck!

Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars
Subject: Re: how oft. to add H2O to credo w. PG?
Date: 18 Mar 1995 15:25:22 -0500

??????????????? (ZARNOTT) writes:

>>I was fortunate enough to get a pint of propylene glycol from my local
>>pharmacy (after I explained what it was for) for $8.00.

>Why would you get the third degree about buying propylene glycol...do
>people use it in illegal drug production or something?

Pharmicologically (sp?), it's used as a solvent for oral and injectible 
drugs.... It also has many uses as a chemical solvent, as well as being 
used in many cosmetics.

And oh yea, it's also mixed with some pipe tobaccos and _cheap_ 
drug-store cigars so they won't require humidification (YUCK!!!).

Newsgroups: alt.smokers.cigars
Subject: RS Hygrometer Calibration
Date: 19 Mar 1995 02:36:59 GMT

Well, here it is as promised - the long lost home callibration procedure
for the Radio Shack 63-855 Hygrometer, (also known as the "Airguide"
Hygrometer). Please read these instructions _very_ _carefully_ before
proceding - If you don't feel comfortable tinkering with sensitive
circutry, DON'T DO IT! 

Let's start with the safe part, checking it's callibration... Even if you
don't want to open it's case and adjust your hygrometer, you would be well
advised to check it's callibration. These are not the precision
instruments that some people think... The factory tolerance (given in it's
tech spec's) is plus or minus 5 points of humidity through the range
40-80%. That means your unit could read anywhere from 65 to 75% while in a
70% enviroment and _still_be_considered_in_spec!!! I've personally seen up
to an 8 percentage point difference between units before callibration. 

For a calibration source, we're going to use salt - NaCl - plain table
salt... Why salt? The following is a brief explanation of the chemistry,
originally posted to asc by Peter Shenkin of Columbia University. Don't
worry too much about the technical details - the point is that plain salt
will, when used properly will maintain an exact 75% humidity in a sealed

>From Peter Shanken's original post:

"A saturated solution at constant temperature & pressure has a fixed
composition.  [[ Explanation in terms of the Gibbs Phase Rule omitted. ]]
Therefore, such a solution has a fixed vapor pressure. Thus, at constant
temperature, no matter how much solid NaCl and how much water are present,
the concentration of the NaCl in the water is fixed, just as long as both
the solution and the solid phase are present. Therefore such a solution
has a fixed vapor pressure. 

Now, it just happens to turn out that the vapor pressure of a saturated
solution of NaCl in H20 is about 75% of the vapor pressure of pure water
at any temperature close to room temperature.  This means that at
equililibrium, if there were nothing present except this solution and a
vapor phase in contact with it (no air), the pressure above the solution
would be about 15 mm_Hg, in round numbers, using 20 mm_Hg as the vapor
pressure of water near room temperature, again in round numbers.  As
mentioned earlier, the only gas providing the pressure abover the solution
would be water vapor."

OK, class dismissed - you've got it now, right? :-) Now to procedures.
You'll need a zip-lock baggie or other see-through container, about a
teaspoon of salt, and a small, shallow open container for that salt (a
shot-glass would be good) Gee, I love this high-tech lab gear.... ;-)

Place a teaspoon or so of salt in it's container and add a few drops of
water to get it wet. You don't want to disolve it, just get a good wet
pile of salt in your shot-glass. As the technical explanation above says,
you want the salt present in both a liquid _and_ solid phase - salt mush.
Place it in the baggie, along with your hygrometer. CAUTION - DON'T SPILL
ANY SALT ON YOUR INSTRUMENT! Be sure the Hygrometer isn't in it's "min" or
"max" mode, BTW. 

Seal the baggie with some air trapped inside (so it's not tight against
the hygrometer) and let it sit. Allow this to stabilize for _at_least_ 6
hours. (don't rush it!). After the internal "system" has stabilized, check
your reading WITHOUT OPENING THE BAGGIE. It should be _exactly_ 75%. If
not, note the deviation - this is how much your hygrometer is out.  Don't
be surprised if your reading up to 5 points out - unfortunately, that's
the factory tolerence of this instrument. 

Now that you know how far your instrument is out, you _might_ want to
adjust your hygrometer. CAUTION! Mess-up here, and you could ruin it!!!
There is no simple callibration knob to turn. To adjust this instrument,
you'll be re-adjusting the bias current of the sensor, then comparing it
to your callibration reference - the salt in the baggie. 

Remove the battery door, the batteries, and finally the back of the unit.
along the top edge of the PC board inside, you'll see two round, flattish
metal disks (micro-potentiometers). don't touch the left one, you'll be
working _only_ with the one on the right. First, look at it closely.
You'll see a tiny indent for a tiny screwdriver blade across the middle.
Sketch it's exact position carefully - this procedure might take several
days, and you _will_ forget the original orientation if you don't write it

You'll be turning this _right_ potentiometer (pot) a tiny amount to change
the humidity reading (1/8 turn might change your reading by 3 or 4%). Use
a very small screwdriver (like a jeweler's screwdriver), and don't change
it by much! If you were reading _above_ 75% in the callibration test, turn
this pot _clockwise_, again only a tiny amount... If your reading was low,
turn it slightly counter-clockwise... 

You can leave the back off to save some effort, and put the batteries back
in now. Be sure the "min" and "max" functions are turned off, and place
the hygrometer back in your baggie with the salt. Again, let it stabilize
for 6 hours, and DON'T LET IT TOUCH THE WET SALT! Check your reading, and
re-adjust if necessary. Be patient, you may have to try a few times to get
it right. If you feel you're getting nowhere, set the pot back to exactly
where it was when you started. 

When you're satisfied with your setting (set it to +- 1% of 75%) remove
the batteries, re-assenble the unit, and give it one final check. Once
you're done, light up one of your best cigars - you'll deserve it! 

OK, that's the clearest description I can write of this simple procedure!
I expect _somebody_ out there is going to screw it up and blame it on me,
so let me remind you now that you are doing this yourself - I won't take
any responsibility for your mistakes... Personally, I've re-callibrated 5
units now with this procedure. Even if you don't re-callibrate it, I'd
recomend that you test your hygrometers with the "salt standard". Just
knowing it's deviation might be enough for many readers. 


Whew! That's "the-best-of" my PG posts. Use whay you like, combine, 
editorialize, whatever.... And add me to your list!

Bob Curtis <???????????> 
"smoke 'em if ya got 'em..."

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From: ?????????????????????????? (Jeffrey M. Poulin)
Subject: Greetings to Pipe Digest

Hello Steve,

It's a pleasure to get the Pipe Digest and share the words of others who
pursue this noble activity.

My name is Jeff Poulin (known to friends as The Bear).  I started smoking a
pipe around 1968:  a Dr. Grabow stuffed with Cherry Blend or Borkum Riff
(shudder!!).  Unfortunately, inspiration to smoke a pipe, from Sherlock Holmes
stories, did not provide any information about the proper way to smoke or how
to evaluate pipes.  Alas, there was no tobacconist in my home town at that
time.  Since then my knowledge and taste have increased and, hopefully,

My preference in pipes runs to Petersons (including their seconds) Upshalls,
and J.M. Boswell.  Tobacco preferences are for medium to full bodied English
blends (hurray for latakia!) and, more recently, Virginia based tobaccos
(Royal Yacht, Escudo, and various flake styles).  I enjoy these blends by
themselves but they also compliment my tastes in port and cognacs.  

I've added cigars to my smoking pleasures and have a definite preference for
Dominicans with Connecticut wrappers ala Fuente Double Chateaus and
Licenciados in larger ring sizes.  This does not prevent me from enjoying an
occaisional Excaliber I.  I've also found the Don Julio, a mild cigar with
coffee flavors that I enjoy with a rich, morning cup of coffee.

I consider myself to be very fortunate:  I work at home (I am a writer in
Northern Virginia) so I don't have to put up with the incredible stupidity of
non-smoking regulations and my wife ENJOYS the scent of my pipes and cigars. 
(I always knew she was a gem, but this attitude makes her sparkle even more.)

I am looking forward to a long association with this group.  And, Steve, I
really appreciate the effort you make to bring this forum to the rest of us.  

Happy Puffing!  The Bear

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Re:  pipe stuff

[ Administrativa deleted. -S. ]

Thanks for your prompt reply!  I think I would like to subscribe and see
how it goes if that is okay with you.  One quick question, I found a
Peterson Sherlock Holmes pipe today that is a "bulldog" style.  I liked it
very much, but alas they were selling it for $190!  The shopkeeper lowered
the price so that it would be about $150 after tax.  Is this a good deal,
or am I being ripped off?  Any suggestions?  Thanks again.

-David Tracy

[ Actually, $150 doesn't sound like a bad price for the SH series,
especially the smooth finish. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Re:  apology

Thanks.  BTW, if you have a copy of Cigar Aficionado with Bill Cosby
on the cover, look on page 159 and you'll see a sample of my hand
engraving.  I engraved the Lake knife on the bottom of the page.

[ I have, and it is very fine work. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????? (Patrick Neil North)
Subject: Smokes

Dear Steve,

Perhaps this already exsists somewhere, but wouldn't it be nice to have a
list of currently available commercial pipe tobacco blends, their approx.
components, and a general flavor guide?  That way those of us not willing
to spend the $8 on a can of Escudo that we may not even like just to "give
it a whirl" could have an idea of what to expect.  This would be terrific!!
Any chance of something like this popping up in the Digest soon?  Thanks

Patrick North

[ I replied: It's a great idea, but Yrs. Truly has his hands full with
the Digest, and a daytime job, and a few other little odds-n-ends. Any
volunteers to maintain such a list? -S. ]

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From: ?????????????? (Patrick Neil North)
Subject: Re:Tobacco ingred. list

Steve- Great!!  For starters, anyone with access to promotional flyers may
be able to make up a list of components (ie. predominant cavendish w/
burley, basic casing type, etc.).  but this would depend on the
accesibility of this kind of info...  I'm sure there are some ambitious
souls out there who would welcome this challenge, however,...
Thanks for the interest.

Patrick North

~~~Patrick Neil North/ Lyons Hall Room 315/ University Park PA 16802~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~email: ??????????????~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Happiness is everything.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Terence Ronson <??????????????????????????>
Subject: Info

Could you let me know if there are:

1) Cigar Stores in Hong Kong
2) Members in Hong Kong who may wish to communicate

regards & thanks.

[ Don't have any in the Guide, but we do have some members in the Far
East who might know... -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Re: #1(2) Pipes Digest #182 -...


I'm sure the group has already discussed this topic ad nauseum, but I thought
it was worth another ask:

I finally tried Escudo the other day, and of course fell in love with it.
 Would someone mind posting the history of this delightful blend?  Does the
"Navy" mean something?  Why is it in slices?  And: I received many helpful
replies to a post on ASP concerning how properly to shred the discs and smoke
them.  Most folks began by saying "take five or six discs in your hand."  I
can barely cram two into my Peterson Sherlock Holmes straight bulldog, which
has a smallish bowl, but not exceptionally so.  Am I doing something wrong?
 I've also noticed that the tobacco is a little damp once I press it down in
the pipe.  Is this normal?



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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Whelp, here's my intro

In reading my "trial" issue of this digest, I must say that I am impressed.
By way of introduction, I am a new smoker.  I've battered around the idea
of buying a pipe for a couple years now.  Each time I went to a pipe shop
with the idea of getting myself one, it always ended up that it was my
friends that accompanied me that ended up getting a pipe while I chickened
out.  Alas, my motivation in getting a pipe?  Not an original one I'm
afraid.  Since I was a kid, I've been a huge fan of Sherlock Holmes, and
the period in which he lived.  I was raised on PBS so what do you expect?
My newly acquired pipe is a Savinelli briar churchwarden, and my first
tobacco is a medium English blend.  I've been warned about the aromatic
stuff.  Are Savinellis good pipes?  Who else is known for churchwardens?
Whilst perusing in a pipe shop, the shopkeeper showed me some pipes made in
Santa Cruz, Ca, by a man named Andre.  Are these pipes known by anyone?
The shopkeeper said they were very good pipes for around $60.  Then I was
shown one of the Peterson Sherlock Holmes collection bulldog pipes, which
he offered me for $150 out the door- is this a good price?  Are Petersons
that expensive?  Is it worth it?  (You can tell I'm new to this can't you!)
Back to me, I'm 26, and hopefully will be in graduate school this fall.
After that, I hope to go to Poland to teach english and study classical
Yours Etc.
David Tracy
<aka One of the Gashlycrumb Tinies>

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From: "A.W. Donovan-Shead" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Smoke Signal #14

Smoke Signal #14


After reading the discussion on unsolicited advertising, I would
like to add my voice in support of your actions. I have a strong
objection to any kind of unsolicited advertising via any form of
mail or telecommunications, seeing it as an invasion of my
privacy. I will not tolerate advertising by E-mail. On
CompuServe, subscribers pay for traffic to and from the

Advertising is one reason why I do not watch television or
listen to the radio; and I too would have an unlisted telephone
number if my wife would let me.


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From: "Tom Coffin" <????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscr

        Reply to:   RE>Your Pipes Digest subscription request

Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.  This is  the first time I've
responded to any type of computer news or info,  so bear with me.
I receive your program through Netscape and its well done with great graphics.
Personally I've smoked a pipe OFF and ON for about thirty years.  I've never
been a heavy smoker and sometimes I'll go months without lighting up,  although
on average its two to three times a week.  I've got quite a few pipes(prehaps
twenty) that I have collected over the years.  My first was a Greshiam(sp?)
Giant which still smokes well and my favorites are a Savinelle "Signiture" and
a Cooke(a local pipe carver).  I have several Savinelle's and there all good
Some years ago at a travel show I ran into a pipe maker named Dave Alexander. 
I bought a large bent which I like but he also sold tobacco blends which I
thought were outstanding.  He was home based in Gelena,  Missouri and had a
mail order pipe and tobacco business under the name of Dogwood Dave's.  I tried
four of his blends and they were all great---no bite and great taste.  I've
tried to reorder but he has disapeared, I would sure like to find those
Well anyway I enjoy your Digest and look forward to more of it.   Tom

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Bengal slices

Greetings fellow pipesters,

     One side effect of subcribing to the Pipe Digest is the fact that I now
sometimes find myself tempted to try different tobaccos again.  When I first
started smoking a pipe over eleven years ago I experimented with every type
of pipe tobacco imaginable for about a year before I settled down to Dunhill
Mixture 965 and Balkan Sobranie exclusively for about the past ten years
(occasionally buying a tin of Dunhill Early Morning Pipe or Nightcap for
     After reading through many of the Pipe Digest back issues and hearing
the rave reviews about Bengal Slices I decided to buy a tin.  I had tried
Bengal Slices eleven years ago and remembered it being a good, flavorful
tobacco.  After dinner this evening I pried open the tin and took a sniff
before filling a bowl.  It smelled so good I could hardly wait to light up.
 Unfortunately I was in for a major disappointment.
     I've never tasted anything so soapy-tasting in all my life.  I finally
had to put down my pipe, resolving to come back to it later.  Well, I came
back to finish my pipe a couple of hours later and it was just as bad if not
worse.  Has anyone else experienced this with Bengal Slices, or have I just
completely burned out my taste buds by smoking latakia-laden English blends
for the past ten years?  I recall some discussion of a tobacco preservative
that manufacturers are now using to keep pipe tobaccos from drying out.  Is
that what's being used on Bengal Slices?  If so I'll take my tobacco bone-dry
any day over this soapy tasting lawn fertilizer that's being passed off as
pipe tobacco.  Whoever came up with that preservative idea couldn't possibly
be a pipe smoker!  Can't they leave well-enough alone?  
     Between smoking a bowl of soapy tobacco and doing my taxes I've had a
thoroughly disgusting evening so far.  It's taken a tumbler of Old Crow and a
bowl of my old standby Dunhill Mixture 965 (both of which I'm enjoying as I
write this) to begin to feel like my old self again.  It also helps being
able to vent my frustrations off into cyberspace like this.  
So long for now,
Joe Hurley

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From: ?????????????
Subject: Humidors


Does anybody out there know how I can build my own Humidor?   Any info would
be much appreciated.



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From: ??????????????
Subject: Tobacco production

Dear Steve,

Thanks for all your good work on the mailing list, and congrats on breaking
the 1000 member mark!!!

[ How'd you know? :-) -S. ]

I have not posted anything to this list since my introductory post, but
thought I'd share some information, thoughts, and remembrances concerning the
production of tobacco in the United States, since this appears to be a topic
of some interest to members. This post is rather long, and if you'd like to
break it up for use in two lists, a good breaking point is the part where I
end the discussion of production, and begin discussing marketing and the
government cooperative marketing program.

I am fairly well qualified to speak on these topics, because I grew up on a
tobacco farm in Kentucky, and then graduated from Harvard Law School, where
I, along with several other posters to this list enjoyed the bounty provided
by Leavitt and Pearce tobacconists in Harvard Square. As I type this, I am
puffing away on a Boston-made David Ehrlich briar, which I bought at that
shop,  filled with Dunhill #965.

I ultimately  returned to the bluegrass, where I am a partner in a large law
firm which represents, among other companies, some of the largest tobacco
companies in various litigation matters. I personally handled an antitrust
suit on behalf of one multinational tobacco company. I have lived my life
with tobacco in one form or another.

The federal government recognizes various "types" of tobacco for regulatory
purposes.  One of these types is burley tobacco, which is primarily grown in
Kentucky, Tennessee, and adjoining states. Burley is the form of tobacco that
I grew up with, and have fond memories of.  
The burley tobacco season begins in late February, when the soil is prepared
for the seed beds, which are planted in early March.  Because the average
temperature in Kentucky in early March is too cold for the seeds to germinate
and grow, the seeds are sown broadcast in large rectangular beds, which are
then covered by a thin protective cloth covering to create a greenhouse
effect, holding the warmth from the sun in, and warming the soil.  

Traditionally the form of cloth used was a very thin gauzelike cotton; today,
synthetic types of cloth which are lighter and stronger than natural cotton
are used.  A sheet of this cloth in the size and shape to cover one tobacco
bed is still referred to as a "tobacco cotton," because of the old tradition.

After the plants grow to a height of about a foot or foot and a half (when
the weather warms up, and as the plants grow, the covering is removed), they
are transplanted from the small seedbeds into the large tobacco fields, or
patches.  This process is known as "setting" the tobacco, and commercial
transplanters pulled by tractors used in other regions for transplanting
tomato and other vegetable plants are universally known here as "tobacco

Setting tobacco is a major job, and requires a great deal of skilled and
unskilled labor.  Not coincidentally, tobacco setting time is traditionally
about the time school lets out for the summer here; in many patches, you see
whole families working together.

Burley tobacco is sun grown tobacco as opposed to some of the shade grown
cigar leaf tobaccos.  After the plants grow to a height of three to four
feet, and leaf out fully, the buds that form at the top of the plants are
removed, so that all of the plant's energies will be focused into the leaves,
rather than into producing blooms and seeds. This is called "topping" the

When the tobacco has grown to its full height and leaved out fully, it is
ready to be cut.  Tobacco cutters work down each row, cutting by hand with a
sharp knife each tobacco plant at the base and spearing it onto a tobacco
stick, a three foot long wooden stick that holds about six tobacco plants.  

After the plants are cut, they are allowed to "wilt" in the field for a day
or two to lose a good deal of the moisture from their stems and veins. Then
the sticks of tobacco are collected and hung to cure in large open barns.
 Burley tobacco is an air cured tobacco; no artificial heat from fires or gas
heaters is applied; the leaf is air dried for six to eight weeks in the
barns.  And let me add from personal experience that there is no smell in the
world more heavenly than that of a barn full of tobacco slowly curing. Most
tobacco barns here have large vertical hinged doors on their sides, which may
be opened to let more air into the barn, or closed to let less in, depending
on the humidity.

Unlike Virginia or bright tobacco, which is cured to a bright golden color by
gas heaters, burley tobacco is air cured to a dark chocolate brown color.
 After it is fully cured, the leaves are stripped from the stalks [this is
known as "stripping" the tobacco] and the leaves are packed tightly into
bales for shipment to market.  

Little is wasted in the operation; the partially dried stalks from the
tobacco plants are collected and used on the farm as a natural form of
fertilizer; they are extremely high in nitrogen, and when I was growing up,
no one ever tried to plant new grass in a field or yard without covering the
grass with a layer of tobacco stalks.

Baling tobacco is a new phenomenon; traditionally the leaves were tied
together in "hands;" the baling makes large quantities of tobacco easier to
handle and process, but in my opinion tends to reduce the quality of it,
because individual leaves cannot be seen or inspected, and removes much of
the farmers' incentive to grow good quality tobacco. [Note to Steve: this is
a good breaking point, if you need to divide this.]

The manner of sale of tobacco and the federal government's role therein is
somewhat misunderstood by many people.  The government's role is often
referred to as a "subsidy" of the tobacco farmers; this is not true at all.
 All registered tobacco farmers are members of a cooperative association
formed by the federal government, and funded with fees collected from the
purchase price of tobacco sold.  No tax money whatsoever goes into this

Each member is assigned a "marketing quota" each year which determines how
many pounds of tobacco that particular farmer may sell. These marketing
quotas may be sold and transferred each year; many farm owners who do not
desire to grow their own tobacco "lease out" their quotas to other farmers
who do.  Fairly standardized prices per pound for these quotas develop in
each area [the tobacco must be grown in the county of residence of the quota

The tobacco is sold in large warehouses by auction, though the prices tend to
vary little from farmer to farmer in any particular year.  The only role of
the governmental association in the actual sale of the tobacco [other than
regulating the amount which may be sold] is to purchase, with the funds
raised through the membership fees, all tobacco grown by its members within
their quotas, which is not purchased by commercial entities, at a low price.

This tobacco purchased by the cooperative is known generally as "the pool,"
and the amount of tobacco purchased by the pool each year is taken by
industry watchers as a sign of how accurately the coop predicted the demand
for burley that year, and is stored and placed on the market the following
year.  The quotas set the following year are adjusted by the demand shown the
previous year, and if the system works well [and, strangely enough for a
governmental system, it does] the tobacco supply is kept consistent with
demand, and thus the price per pound is kept at a price that farmers can live
with; the existence of the pool prevents tobacco companies from attempting to
gouge farmers by paying a lower price in years when there are high quotas.

In recent years, tobacco prices have ranged from about $1.50 per pound to
$1.80 or more per pound, depending primarily on demand. [As an aside, given
that I doubt that a pack of cigarettes contains more than an ounce of
tobacco, the portion of the one dollar plus per pack cost of those cigarettes
that eventually winds up in the farmer's pocket is probably about ten cents.]

A friend and I were discussing the tobacco quota system the other day, and he
said that he supported the system primarily because, unlike other
agricultural programs which reward farmers for not growing crops, or which
buy up and waste or destroy produce, the tobacco program, first, only helps
farmers who actually grow, cure, and market their tobacco.  And, second, the
pool system works in tandem with the quota system to channel all tobacco
produced into private channels . . . and it all works with no taxpayer

Processed burley tobacco is a relatively dark, heavy leaf that is primarily
used in the production of cigarettes and pipe tobacco. Most cigarettes
contain a blend of burley tobaccos and Virginia [also known as bright]
tobaccos.  Many pipe tobaccos also contain substantial quantities of burley.
 For example, the MacBaren Navy Flake which I enjoy consists almost entirely
of burley; because of its touch of heaviness and moisture, burely is
particularly well adapted to flake or pressed tobaccos.  To the best of my
knowledge, burley is not used in cigar manufacturing.

I am sorry to have rambled on, but I thought I would add my thoughts and
information to those who have already posted information to this list
concerning tobacco production; I also felt the group might be interested in
my thumbnail description of the cooperative marketing system.

Again, Steve, thanks for all your work and time: I thoroughly enjoy this list
every week!!!

Bye, Bob


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From: ???????????????? (Richard E. Byer)
Subject: Poor Richards

Ed Berggren <????????????????> wrote:
"... freehands).  My favorite tobaccos are an aromatic called
Rick's Blend offered by the Poor Richard's Pipe Shoppe in San

and I was thrilled!

Poor Richard's was my first pipe shop.  My father took me there in
1972, when I was 18.  I bought my first pipe there, and learned to
appreciate cigars as well.  I no longer remeber the name of the
proprieter, but he was very patient and helpful to me as a novice
pipe smoker.  I bought my first pipe there, a GBD second sandblast. 
I still have it.  I have wondered as of late whether Poor Richards,
an independent pipe shop not located in a mall was still in

Please post the information about the shop for the resource guide. 
It was, and hopefully still is, a wonderful shop.

Thanks for brightening my day!

By the way, Steve, what did you think of that sample of tobacco I
gave you in Lafayette Park at the Big Smoke?  Its my own mixture of
1 part perique and 7 parts a blend of red and black virginia

Rick Byer <????????????????>

[ I thought it was quite nice, Rick! Thanks! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Article for Pipes Digest

I'm a cigar smoker, primarily.  I smoked pipes when I was in college, largely
because I couldn't afford my then favorite cigar brand, H. Upmann.  I
subscribe to Cigar Aficionado and enjoy reading it.  As for my habit, it is
probably just 2-3 cigars a week, more when the weather is warmer.  I
currently smoke Licenciados Wavell with a maduro wrapper and when I have the
time to enjoy a longer smoke I presently prefer the Punch Prince Consort,
also with a maduro wrapper.  
I was introduced to the Prince Consort and maduros in general by Marc Adams
at Blooms Cigars in Pittsburg.  I am a stamp collecotr and went last summer
to Pittsburg for the National stamp show.  Before leaving for Pittsburg, I
had seen an article in CA talking about Blooms Cigar Camp.  I thought I would
check it out and went on the Saturday morning that I was there.  Intending to
get right to the stamp show, I stopped at Blooms at about 11:00 am.  They
were closed, but, as I was about to leave, Marc, was coming in and let me in
to the shop early.  We started to chat as he set up a buffet of cold cuts and
different breads.  The place was a dump, but Marc was really friendly and he
had a great selection of cigars.  The first thing he did when he walked into
the humidor, larger than my spacious living room, was to hand me a Punch
Prince Consort Maduro.  He told me it was one of the finest cigars, in his
opinion, that he had and it was my gift for visiting from such a far
distance.  I immediately lit up.  Soon after other smokers began to filter
in, conversations grew, and a good time was had by all.  I stayed over 2
hours which seemed to pass like 10 minutes.  Further, I felt like I had known
these guys all my life.  I would reccommend anyone visiting in the Pittsburg
area drop in to Blooms, you'll be well treated.

I live in the greater Boston area and would like to know of any Cigar clubs
that exist in this area.  If there aren't any, I'd be willing to organize a
small function where cigar smokers could enjoy their favorite smoke in a
friendly atmosphere without anyone telling them to "put that stinky thing

Stuart Altschuler

[ Well, I know of the Sherlock Holmes Pipe Club, but no cigar clubs
per se... -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Cigar Afficianado Ratings Etc.

Does anyone understand why the Partagas #10 got a much lower rating (well
below 90) in the last issue of Cigar Afficianado (Ron Perlman) than in the
George Burns issue (above 90).  Sorry but I do not remember the actual
numbers.  It seems odd that the numbers would be so different in less than a
year.  Could it be due to a difference in the batch of cigar or the person
doing the rating?  Is the rating relative to all cigars or just those cigars
rated in that issue?  If it is the later, than the ratings are worthless
since most cigars are not vintaged. 

On another note, I recently asked a friend who was traveling to London to
pick me up some Cubans.  He called with the bad news that a box of
Montecristos would set me back about $350.  I told him to scratch the order
for a box and just pick me up a half dozen.  The bill was $84.  Imagine my
chagrin when, upon a recent visit to my favorite cigar store, I was able to
buy pre-embargo Dunhills for $8.50 per.  I was skeptical about the Dunhill
since is was 40+ years old.  That is until I smoked it.  It beat my $14
Montecristos hands down. 
I generally smoke Hoyo's #50, a great bundled cigar that runs in the $1.10
range, so the super premuim cigars are a rare treat.

Smoke your brains out!

Steve Messinger

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From: "mark rice, east-texas" <???????????????>
Subject: An Invitation...

[ Edited to shrink space some. -S. ]

    You are invited to

		Hosted by: The Humidor and Anabelle's
		       Saturday, April 1, 1995


Peter Stokkelbye of Denmark will speak on the blending of tobaccos.
Mr. Stokkelbye's family has been in the tobacco blending business for
over 100 years.

Tom Cristiano of Italy, a true pipe connoisseur, will be discussing
the artistry and making of the "Mastro de Paja Pipe" from Italy.


			   8055 West Avenue
			  at Lockhill Selma
			   in Castle Hills
			  San Antonio, Texas

Starts at 6:30 until... Cash bar at 6:30 until 7:30. Dinner at 7:30.

		   FOR RESERVATIONS: 1-210-349-4672

COST: $45 per person (includes tip and gratuity.) Reservations are
confirmed with receipt of payment by a major credit card, cash, or
check. Reservations must be received no later than 6pm, March 31, 1995.

	    Ladies welcome, of course. Also, door prizes.

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From: "Lawrence K. Iwaki" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: esoterica tobacciana

    I was reading the last few back issues of PD when I came across a 
reference to a line of tobacco called "Esoterica Tobacciana" from the 
Piedmont Tobacconist out of Oakland, CA. I am always willing to add some 
new blends to my collection so I went and ordered four tins of the 
following variety:

                    And So To Bed

Has anyone out there in pipe land ever tried these blends before? My 
current choices are Craig Tarler's #531 (someone mentioned "Craven's 
Mixture" in a previous digest), Cope's Escudo, and some of the 
McClellands varieties. Also, has anyone had the opportunity to try a 
blend called "Frog Morton" from Kathy Levin? Thanks for any information.


[ Thanks, Larry! Gregory Pease also mentions Piedmont. -S. ]

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From: Dennis <????????????????????????>
Subject:      Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

Thanks for the chance to broadcast our show.  It is on April 8 at the
Ramada Inn at Carowinds 5 miles south of Charlotte, NC on I77.  It begins
at 8am and includes buying, selling, trading, showing, arguing, lying, BS-ing,
fighting and all the wonderful and enjoyable things that take place
at shows like this. No admission charge but there is a small $20 charge for
table space.  We will have a pipe smoking contest and a pipe and accessories
auction.  Everyone is welcome.  For hotel reservations call 803-548-2400
and mention the pipe show for the special rate of $56.Call me for more info.

Will you be able to make it?

Dennis H. Congos                  | Internet: ????????????????????????
The Learning Skills Center        | Voice: (work) 704-598-5859
4921 Churchill Drive              | Voice: (home) 704-598-7149
Charlotte, NC 28269               | FAX:
A private learning skills practice| Office Hours: M - S 8am - 5pm

[ Sorry, no, but it sounds fun! BTW, Dennis is the contact for the
show, and for the Carolina Briar Friars Pipe Club. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: New pipe oriented magazine soon


   If you're interested in getting a free issue of PIPE FRIENDLY, you need to
E-mail or paper mail your name & (postal) address on or before 4/15/95.   We
will be sending 10,000 copies out, but would prefer active interested readers
vs. mail order buyers / lookers.

   This publication will focus on pipes, but smokers of all types should find
areas of interest.

  If you know of anyone who is not on the 'net', we will accept their
information as well, but please ask them first.

   We appologize to our foreign puffers, but we are not yet geared up to
handle subscriptions outside US Postal coverage.

   Information should be sent to:

    Joel Farr
    P.O. Box 13781
    Torrance, CA  90503


   Our plan is to do the mailing around May 1st.  Hope to hear from you


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From: ????????????????????? (Stephen Wyman)
Subject: Re: Esoterica Tobacciana


They are in fact great tobacs.  I have tried the Dorchester (Virginia 
with perique) and like it very much.  Others I know have tried the 
others and like them.  They are pricey though at $8.50 a tin.

Try Mike at Brookline News, one of the jewels of this world for pipes.  
He can be reached at 617-566-9634.  Mention my name and see if it helps. 
 He will cut some slack if you get five or more tins, usually.  Also try 
Ehrlich's today or tomorrow as they are having their annual 30% off 
sale.  Do not know for sure if they stock it.  the number is in the RG.

How was New York, if you went?  I hear most people enjoyed it and Nikos 
had some 1950's unsmoked Charatans.

Steve Wyman

[ He did, but they were out of this boy's price range... A nice show,
but much smaller than the one at Alexandria, and the motel was a bit
difficult to get into due to the roads near Newark Airport. I bought a
GBD Century straight bulldog from the CORPS guy (not Valts; I'm
terrible with names!) Nice pipe, lightly smoked, with vulcanite
mouthpiece, which feels great and is becoming rare. -S. ]

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From: Sheldon Richman <???????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest

Dear Steve,

My taste in pipe tobacco is beginning to solidify around two brands: Dunhill's
Early Morning Pipe and Elizabethan Mixture.  Does anyone know what's in Early
Morning?  It think there's a touch of latakia.  I assume the rest of Virginia.
I appreciate your help.

Sheldon Richman

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From: ??????????????? (Michael)
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

 Thanks for getting my subscription going. I've been smoking pipes for
about 6 years now and really enjoy it. I'm kinda brand-loyal to Savinelli
pipes. I really like their balsa insert/dry system smoke. Six of my seven
favorite pipes are Savinelli's. The other's a Stanwell. Favaorite tobacco
is a Latikia and Virginia blend from the local smoke shop, The Pipe and
Tobacco Shop. I'm looking forward to reading all the mail that came in
today and in the future. Thanks again!


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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Churchill's

 Had the opportunity to visit Churchill's in Long Beach. Overall I have to
say I was impressed.
 A corner lot in Naples Island Plaza. An outside patio is available for those
of us who can't seem to break the habit or on a beautiful day.
 Inside a group of people spread throughout enjoying their stogies. In the
front of the cafe are a few tables and chairs, all occupied. Next to them was
a coke machine where you can grab yourself a coke, ice tea, or an alcoholic
beverage that you provide. If you prefer an espresso just look straight
across and there's the machine just waiting to be fired up.
 It does't take long before your greeted by one of the owners ( George and
Tala ) who will show you to their large walk-in humidor  which was well
stocked with singles but didn't notice many sealed boxes for sale. I guess
that's not their intention. I chose an El Rey Del Mundo Robusto and headed
back into the " big blue " . You have a choice of cutters and ways to fire it
up, including the 44 mag bullet and a unique table-top lighter that reminded
me of the one in " It's A Wonderful Life"
the George pulled on for luck.
 Other things to do include getting your shoes shined, watch TV ,  grab a
magazine from the rack or play a game with one of the many patrons. One of
the things you can't do there is sit in complete silence and smoke. I guess
that's what my late night patio excursions are for.
 I do recommend stopping by if your in the area. It could be the start of a
revolution. No I have no financial interest in their venture but if you go
tell them Jeff from Arizona and the Internet sent you. 

[ Sounds wonderful! I hope he opens a franchise near Princeton. :-) -S. ]

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From: Bill  Pickering <?????????????????>
Subject: Intro

Steve, feel free to edit as desired.

Hello, all.  I'm finally getting around to writing my intro for the digest.
I'in my early forties, work in medical electronics manufacturing.  I used
to smoke a pipe about ten years ago, but just kind of got out of the habit.
Recently I started reading the newsgroup, then scarfed up the back issues
of the digest.  This led to frantic digging through the attic for my old
pipes.  Sadly, they are nowhere to be found.  Of course, this meant that
they had to be replaced.  Not that I lost anything special, you under-
stand, although I did have a nice Savinelli second.

So far I have acquired a smooth, half-bent GBD and a rough, quarter-bent
Savinelli.  (The Savinelli was the first pipe I've ever seen with balsa
wood for a filter.)  Needless to say, that was rapidly disposed of.  Now
to continue the collection.

In my earlier days I smoked aromatics, but since finding the above
resources, I have been intrigued by the English blends.  I have tried
aromatics again, but I find them just too soupy to fool with.  I'm
currently experimenting with Balkan Sobranie #759, Bengal Slices, Three
Nuns, and a Tinder Box blend known as Connoisseur.  I still haven't
decided which to favor.  More research is definitely indicated.

I patronize the Tinder Box because it is the closest place I can find.  I
live in the northwest side of the Atlanta metro area, and in the immediate
vicinity there is absolutely nothing.  Well, there are a couple of places
that carry mass-produced aromatics from Music City Tobacco Distributors.
!Bleah!  Although today I did hear of a real pipe shop in the same area
as the Tinder Box.  I'll try and investigate it this weekend.

Just got back from my investigation.  You might want to add this to the
resource guide, Steve.

Edward's Pipe Shop
3137 Piedmont Rd. NE
Atlanta, GA  30305

Nice friendly place.  Knowledgeable staff.  Owner on premises.  Lucky me.
An additional 20% off their already marked down pipes.  Picked up a nice
small, smooth Comoy Sunrise for $US 30.  Just to show you what a nice guy
I am, after I left, there were still two tins of Cope's Escudo on the
shelf, priced at $US 8.95.  Maybe I should go back Monday.  Later.

[ From later message... -S. ]

They do mail order.  Have a fairly large selection of name brand pipes.
A few estate pipes and plenty of inexpensive ones for beginners.

Beware the fury of a patient man. - Dryden

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From: Mark Lathem <??????????????????>
Subject: Trip Report

Hello, all.
I just finished a week-long business trip to Washington, DC and spent my
evenings touring the area tobacco shops.  This required considerable
effort on my part, as our nation's capital is well-served by
tobacconists.  It was, however, a chore I was happy to undertake <G>.
On my fourth night in town I ran across John B. Hayes, Tobacconist, a
shop in Fair Oaks Mall in Fairfax, VA (it's listed in the Resource
Guide).  The store is a small one, and has tremendous charm.  They carry

a good selection of pipes from most of the major manufacturers, many of
them high grades.  They also have a fair selection of estate pipes of
all categories, and baskets of house-brands and seconds.  Some of their 
high-end pipes are truly gorgeous specimens, and I am still lusting after 
a particularly striking Upshall and a silver spigot Peterson.  My wallet
could hardly bear that strain, so I "settled" for a Ben Wade estate pipe
(I always wanted a Danish freehand) and a particularly nice round shank, 
quarter-bent Peterson bulldog with a beautiful flame grain (damn close 
to straight) and absolutely free from pits and fills (a rare thing in any 
new Peterson, it seems).  The store appears to carry a good selection of 
cigars (I don't know the first thing about cigars, but they had a bunch 
of them <g>) and "gourmet" cigarettes.  They tell me about half their 
business is still in pipes and pipe accessories.
The greatest asset of this store, however, is the staff.  The store has
a crew of about fifteen, some of which work part time in exchange for 
goods (my kind of job <g>).  I spent about seven hours over the course 
of two evenings with these delightful gentlemen, talking about pipes and 
sampling quite a number of bulk and tinned tobaccos (one reason I bought 
the Ben Wade--I only had one fully broken-in pipe on this trip, and it 
needed a rest <g>).  Although I was a stranger in town, I immediately 
felt like a "regular," once again confirming my belief that pipe smokers 
are the best type of people.  It was a particular joy to handle items from 
the personal collections of some of the staff members.  I'm sure that one of 
the part-timers, a gentleman by the name of George Riddle, must own half the
extant Dunhill ODAs <g>.  During the course of one of our conversations
I discovered that George's son is a neighbor of Nikos Levin;  it truly 
is a small world.  George, by the way, spent a full hour with me
inspecting every Peterson in the place for flaws until we found the
specimen I purchased.
This shop is truly a jewel, and deserves as much business as we can
throw their way.  They do mail order and will do special orders.  If
you're ever close to Fairfax by all means stop by--and tell them Mark, the 
Army captain from Texas, says hello.  Again, the store is listed in the
resource guide, but here's the address and phone one more time:
John B. Hayes, Tobacconist
11755-L Fair Oaks Mall
Fairfax, VA  22033
(703) 385-3033
[One additional benefit for the unmarried crowd:  the store is 
the only place in the mall where smoking is allowed, and the young ladies 
from the lingerie shop next door take their breaks there (male mall 
employees must smoke outdoors, it seems <BG>).]
Also, a quick question for the folks on the list.  I picked up a
Peterson's "Captain Pete" some time back.  Who can tell me the story
behind these and how they relate to the Sherlock Holmes line ("Captain
Pete" was a Holmesian character)?
                -= Mark V. Lathem   -=-   ?????????????????? =-
         "I'll smoke a pipe with you with pleasure" --Sherlock Holmes

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From: ????????????????????????? (JAMES T. DUNNE)
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

Steve - 

Thanks for adding me to the digest mail group - you got the 
address fine.  You asked for some details and info, so here

I'm a programmer/analyst for a large transporation company, and
have been smoking a pipe for about years now.  Don't smoke 
cigarettes, and I haven't much cared for the cigars I tried (kept
forgetting to knock the ash off, and ended up setting myself on
fire (G)!).  

So far, I've got about 20 pipes in my collection, ranging from a
beautiful Nording I got for Christmas, to a couple "utility" pipes
I rescued from a flea market.  I've been smoking the house 
aromatic blend from a local tobacco shop, but am still searching 
for a cooler, yet tasty tobacco.

I also have several Malaga pipes in my collection.  The Malaga
Pipe company is a local shop here in Royal Oak, MI.  It's run 
by the grandson of the founder, who apparently perfected a
"secret" process for hot-oil curing his pipes.  Steve, the
grandson, is a great guy, and also does beautiful freehand work.

Based on my own experience, I can recommend the shop both for the
quality of the pipes and the knowledge of the owner.  It's really
a pleasure to talk to someone who knows the art of pipe-making 

The address is:
Malaga Briar Pipe Co. Inc.
1406 E. 11 Mile Road
Royal Oak, MI  48067
(810) 542-5000
Steve Khoubesser

The store also carries tobacco, accessories, and cigars.  Since 
Steve is the only carver, the Malaga stock is not extensive, but
they do carry other brands as well.  Another advantage, of course,
is the ready access to excellent-quality Malaga seconds, as Steve
seems to be very particular about his "first" quality pipes.  My
current favorite pipe is a beautifully grained bent Malaga "second"
with imperfections you have to search for to find.

Sorry, this is starting to sound like advertising copy (and it's 
not).  But, good pipe stores seem to be getting very hard to find.
Never hurts to spread the word.

Thanks again for adding me to the group!

                          Jim Dunne
                          Sterling Heights, MI  USA

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From: David Lonie <???????????????????>
Subject: pipes

I am not sure how to get on to the pipes news bulletin - I 
wanted to ask a question about obtaining a block meerschaum 
pipe - my last one I bought in Cambridge UK - and they are 
not available in Australia - could you let me know how to 
broadcast such a message through the BBS

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From: Dennis Congos <????????????????????????>
Subject:      Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

I see that you enjoyed the copies of the Surgeon General's research I
had at the New York Pipe Show Last week.  I should have put my name on
them in case anyone wanted to discuss the research.  Kudos to you for
printing the information.It is something all pipe smokers can take comfort
in and use it against the ignorantly prejudiced self-righteous non-smokers
who "know" what is good for everyone.

Too bad we didn't meet by name at the NY show.  I am sure we saw eachother.
I was the personwho had the collection of very large Charatans to the left
as you came in the door.  I was just behind John Eells and next to Charlie
Steward and directly across from Dunhill.

Am enjoying the PD news and information.  Thanks.How do I get a peek at
back issues?  E-mail and internet is a bit new to me.

[ Later... -S. ]

It is a pleasure to have this opportunity to introduce myself to my fellow
Pipe Digesters.

My name is Dennis Congos and I have been smoking and collecting pipes since
1961.  My favorite brands of pipes are Charatan and old GBD's.  I am known
somewhat for a fondness for larger pipes but, in my old age, I am investing
more in GBD Collossus and Dunhill ODA size pipes.  I have smoked almost every
tobacco on the planet, it seems.  My current tobacco fancy if for a mixture
I concocted that I call "The Professor's Mixture."  My friends at McCranie's
Pipe Shop in Charlotte, NC hand mix this blend for me as needed.  Historically,
I am one of the 4 original Indiana Briar Friars who started the wonderful
Indiana Briar Friar Pipe Showheld at the end of July each year.  Currently,
I am honored with the presidency of the Carolina Briar Friars who are hold
their pipe show every April in Charlotte.

My pipe collection is small consisting of about 50 pipes, down from over 100.
I am currently unemployed and have had to sell of some of my pipes to cover
expenses. I enjoy writing about pipes and have published on rejuvenating
old favorite pipes.  My favorite pasttime is writing fictional brochures
about pipes and tobacco in the style made famous by Joe Zieve at the old
Smokers' Haven in Columbus, OH.

I am happy to be connected to a forum like the Pipe Digest and look forward
to corresponding with fellow briar friars on any component of kapnismology.

Greetings to my fellow briar friars, squires, liars, buyers, flyers and

Dennis H. Congos                  | Internet: ????????????????????????
The Learning Skills Center        | Voice: (work) 704-598-5859
4921 Churchill Drive              | Voice: (home) 704-598-7149
Charlotte, NC 28269               | FAX:
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From: ????????????????????? (Viktor Nehring)
Subject: LOOKIT ME!  I bought a BRAND NEW PIPE!!!  (help)

Fearless Moderator:
	First off, Steve, thanks for the quote from C. Everett Koop.  My 
wife will let me smoke a pipe.  "Within reason," she says.  Onward.
	Thanks to your publication and to a kindly reader, I am in the 
posession of several estate pipes.  I like them so much I decided to, 
you know, just _visit_ a few local tobacco shops.  NOT to buy anything, 
mind you.  Just visit.  Just look at things.
	So I bought a pipe.  A Nording freehand.  Can I tell everyone 
about my experience?  Hopefully my story will encourage a few newbies -- 
like me -- to give this pipe thing a try.  And maybe it will revive a 
few memories in the, uh, er, "more experienced" pipe smokers ;-) 
	I went first to a few cigar stores here in the San Fernando 
Valley (for you non-LA folks, the SF valley is in the LA area -- TV's 
"The Big Valley", home of the Northridge Earthquake you've heard so much 
about) which I will write about next time.  There are a few new ones yet 
to be mentioned here in PD.  I'll update the data on a few more as well.
	I searched in vain for Gus's Smoke Shop in Sherman Oaks.  I 
injured my neck and had trouble driving and looking at the same time.  
So I went to Lou's Tobacco Row in Tarzana.
	Lou suffered a fire since the last time I was there and had to 
move all the way next door.  Consequently, he's having a fire sale.  
Wow!  A sale, I thought.  I walked in.  Lou was behind the counter 
working on a pipe.  He's about 5'5" and maybe 140 pounds after a 
rainstorm.  And very experienced.  The sale section caught my eye of 
course.  He's got lotsa Comoy seconds, lotsa estate pipes as well.  Some 
very attractive Nording freehands.  Gulp.  "You won't see those prices 
anywhere ever again," he said.  "Yeah," I said, "they seem very 
reasonable."  He let me look around the store for a bit, but the hook 
was in deep.  I kept coming back to the freehands.  "How do you like 
those values?" he said.  "I'm not pushing you:  as you get to know me 
you'll find that I don't push," he said, pushing me.  I told him that I 
needed to talk myself into it first.  "You won't see prices like these 
ever again," he repeated.  I was done for.  I inspected the ten or so he 
had there and settled on what I feel was the best one of the lot.  A 
nice thick shank, and the drill hole meets the bottom of the bowl almost 
spot-on.  For $55 plus tax, I was happy.  I paid in cash.  Now Lou was 
	"Do you know how to load a pipe" he asked.  "Nope," I said.  And 
he proceded to give me the "Here's How to Smoke a Pipe, Young Man" 
speech,  a speech I have been waiting to hear from someone for awhile.  
As I'm 6'5", I had to lean down to hear him talk.  I imagine it was 
quite a comic sight for any passers-by.  He settled me on a mild tobak, 
showed me how to load it up -- "Medium-hard," he said, "medium-hard." -- 
and gave me some sound advice on choosing a tobak in the future:  "Stay 
away from store brands, but smoke whatever you like."  It was a great 
experience for me.  As he walked me to the door, signaling the end my 
stay, he asked me my name and gave me his.  "Anytime you need advice 
about pipes or tobacco or whatever, you don't need to buy nuthin'.  you 
just come in and start talking."  I thanked him profusely.
	Some of Lou's advice was new to me, in particular, his advice on 
caking the bowl.  I have read all the posts on alt.smokers.pipes on this 
topic as well as a few books and articles.  Lou says to smoke the first 
bowl all the way down, leave the ashes in, reload 2/3 of the bowl 
tomorrow and smoke it down all the way again.  He seemed to know what he 
was talking about to say the least.  Any comments on this technique?
	As for "medium-hard", it smoked the best I've ever had, so "pack 
lightly" as most people advise = "medium-hard" from Lou.
	I hope my story was worth the time and space for everyone.  I 
guess I'm a bit excited.
	I've gone on too lone, but I have a few more questions:  Is 
McBaren's tobak any good?  Which would be best for a new smoker?  Ditto 
for Dunhill's and MacClelland's.
	Take care and keep up the good work.

Viktor Nehring
"I refuse to join any club that would have a guy like me as a member."
				---- Groucho Marx


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From: ?????????????????? (Marc Dashevsky)
Subject: Re: Nat Sherman Host Selection

Tom Zimmerman mentioned the delightful, but overpriced, Nat Sherman
Host Selection line of cigars.  These are Dominican with a Connecticut
wrapper.  Is is cured in some manner that maximizes the sugar retained
in the leaf--it's a noticeably sweet wrapper.

I have smoked the Hunter (6" x 43) and the Harrington (7" x 44).
Although I usually smoke Hondurans (except for the Arturo Fuente
Chateau Fuente maduro), I must say that I find the taste of these
*very* pleasurable and interesting, even though it is not as full
as a Punch Rothschild double maduro or an Excalibur #1 maduro.

Tom described it as "fruity and nutty"--I find the smoke creamy and the
sweet wrapper a great taste complement to the smoke (unlike a Baccarat).
Tom asked if there were similar cigars--I haven't found one.  It's too bad
they are approximately US$3.00 and $4.00, respectively, per cigar.


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From: ??????????????
Subject: Re: Esoterica Tobacciana

Just got a 2oz trial of Penance (aka Krumble Cake). $8 +$5 shipping. Order
from Esoterica Tobacciana , 450 Thirty sixth St. Oakland CA 94609

[ Not sure I wanna smoke something named "Penance..." :-) Thanks for
the address! -S. ]

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From: ?????????????? (Gregory Pease)
Subject: Re: Esoterica Tobacciana

In alt.smokers.pipes you write:

>Hi, all,

>I've been hearing a lot about the Esoterica Tobacciana line here. Does
>anyone know of a mail-order source & descriptions?

Give Steve Richman a call at the Piedmont Tobacconist, 510/652-PIPE.
He's got a brochure he can send out, and can speak about the entire
line.  I can recommend a couple very highly.

Blackpool is a blend of several Virginias, stoved to jet-blackness and
*delicately* topped with a liquorice extract.  I *hate* aromatic
tobaccos, but I love this stuff.

Penzance is Esoterica's version of the old Krumble Kake, though it seems
to have a bit more Latakia.  It is a Virginia dominated English blend,
pressed into cakes and sliced similarly to Bengal Slices, though without
the casing that has appeared in Bengal Slices in the past few years in
increasing amounts.  The stuff is superb; very rich, but quite cool.

Dorchester is a blend of (I think) seven Virginias with Perique.  I like
to mix it 50-50 with Blackpool for a truly exquisite smoke.  This is
different from Escudo, but certainly its equal.

Margate is a more traditional English, and Pembroke is Margate with
added Cognac.  Both are excellent, but I prefer Penzance.  I've laid in
several pounds to age, as I predominately only smoke *well* aged
tobaccos.  (My fave at the moment is some 20+ year old Garfinkel's
Orient Express #11.  Before Larry Garfinkel went out of business, I
bought a several pound stock from him, and guard it with my life!) 

I am a bit partisan when it comes to Esoterica.  I've known the importer
for about a decade, and was on the original "Panel" of tasters to select
the blends.  I was impressed then, and the quality has only improved.
This is real old-fashioned tobacco; hand made and aged before shipping.
Sometimes the supply lines get clogged, but its worth the wait!


| Gregory Pease		|
| ??????????????	|
| 510/234-2830		|

[ Gregory, as always, your advice in such matters is highly valued.
Thanks! -S. ]

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From: Jim Thomas <????????????????????????>
Subject: Porsche Pipe

I have heard mention of a Porsche Pipe. I think it was compared   
to Kirstens. Can anyone tell me anything about these pipes? Are   
they still available? Are they just a standard briar pipe with   
cooling fins on the bowl?

[ And fuzzy dice on the stem? :-) Couldn't resist! -S. ]

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                                - From "101 Ways to Answer the
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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #183 -- March 27, 1995
  2. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #182 -- March 20, 1995
  3. Subject: Smmmmmmmmokin'!!
  4. Subject: Re: #1(3) Pipes Digest #181 -...
  5. Subject: Re: #3(3) Pipes Digest #181 -...
  6. Subject: About Ronia pipe
  7. Subject: Bright tobacco
  8. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #182 -- March 20, 1995
  9. Subject: P.D. request, submission
  10. Subject: Re: Buying propylene glycol
  11. Subject: Re: Propylene glycol and distilled water?????
  12. Subject: Re: how oft. to add H2O to credo w. PG?
  13. Subject: RS Hygrometer Calibration
  14. Subject: Greetings to Pipe Digest
  15. Subject: Re: pipe stuff
  16. Subject: Re: apology
  17. Subject: Smokes
  18. Subject: Re:Tobacco ingred. list
  19. Subject: Info
  20. Subject: Re: #1(2) Pipes Digest #182 -...
  21. Subject: Whelp, here's my intro
  22. Subject: Smoke Signal #14
  23. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscr
  24. Subject: Bengal slices
  25. Subject: Humidors
  26. Subject: Tobacco production
  27. Subject: Poor Richards
  28. Subject: Article for Pipes Digest
  29. Subject: Cigar Afficianado Ratings Etc.
  30. Subject: An Invitation...
  31. Subject: esoterica tobacciana
  32. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  33. Subject: New pipe oriented magazine soon
  34. Subject: Re: Esoterica Tobacciana
  35. Subject: Pipe Digest
  36. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  37. Subject: Churchill's
  38. Subject: Intro
  39. Subject: Trip Report
  40. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  41. Subject: pipes
  42. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  43. Subject: LOOKIT ME! I bought a BRAND NEW PIPE!!! (help)
  44. Subject: Re: Nat Sherman Host Selection
  45. Subject: Re: Esoterica Tobacciana
  46. Subject: Re: Esoterica Tobacciana
  47. Subject: Porsche Pipe
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