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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #188 - May 4, 1995

		  Pipes Digest #188 - May 4, 1995
	     Copyright (C) 1995 by Stephen P. Masticola.
	   All rights reserved. Commercial use prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 1092

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Administrativa: A letter from ???????????????? was deleted in entirity
due to repeated advertising in violation of the mailgroup's stated
policy.  Substantially the same advertisement was published in Pipes
Digest #186.  Folks, please remember: once is information, more than
once is advertising...

And now, on a happier note, join us now for a quiet smoke, perhaps in
the backyard in the hammock, and an issue devoted to the
Massachussetts Resistance, Guam, French philosophy, soapy smokes, and
Great-Great-Grandmother's hookah...

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             Help Stop Prohibition -- Keep Tobacco Legal
                        Call -- Write -- Vote
                        Then, Smoke in Peace.

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From: Steve Masticola (????????????????????????)
Subject: How to fight the Prohibition in Massachussetts

Hi, all,

Someone (Mark?) asked me, in private email, if I had any ideas on how
to fight the Massachussetts law prohibiting nicotine in tobacco. This
particular piece of nonsense is the closest thing to Prohibition we've
yet seen. It's already passed the state House, and is headed for the
Senate and the Governor.

There's only one real answer. ORGANIZE.  Someone up there is going to
have to lead.  If you think you can do it, the time for you is now.
If not, please find out who is leading, and offer your support.

But, from a couple of states away, I do have some specific suggestions
on tactics:

* Call and write your elected representatives.  Tell them your
position. Vote your position.

* Work through the existing organizations. (Sherlock Holmes Pipe Club
is one; are there any cigar clubs in Massachussetts?)  Convince the
membership to work with you.

* Enlist the aid of Cigar Aficionado.  They're the biggest player on
our side right now. Write a letter, urging members to write the
Mass. Senate and Governor in protest.  (But make it easy on the editor;
look up the addresses and send them along.)

* Organize at the grass roots. Set up a petition drive in the cigar
stores and collect signatures.  Remember, each of these folks will be
put out of business by the Stoddart act.

* Convenience stores would be good allies.  They're in business to
make money, not to enforce artificial morality.  Remind them of all
the business they'd lose to neighboring states if the act passes.

* The State House is opening another front in the drug war, with 1/3
of the state's population and 49 other states opposing.  Remind the
voters that someone, namely them, is going to have to pay for the
enforcement of yet another unenforceable law.

* Then, smoke in peace.  Even if you have to drive to New Hampshire or
Rhode Island to buy your terbacky. :-)

				Long live the Resistance!
				~\U Steve (????????????????????????).

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From: ?????????????????? (John Paine)
Subject: Query: Pipe shops in Europe, esp. Berlin

Dear Steve:
Here's an inquiry:  Does anyone out there have an address or addresses of
pipe shops and tobacconists in Berlin (yes, Germany) as well as in Italy?
Our Directory seems to have relatively few European entries, aside from
London and a few in Copenhagen.

[ I have listings in Stuttgart, Hamburg, and Koeln, but none in
Berlin. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????? (Mike Humphrys)
Subject: Mail order tobac in WA???

Does anyone have an address for any reputable mail order tobacco
outfits in Washington state?? There is really nothing here in
Vancouver, and I have had some tobacs from south of the 49th, and have
no complaints. I have gone over the resource list, but saw
nothing. The reason for choosing WA is its proximity to BC, hence
(hopefully) cheaper shipping, etc. Also, a pound of tobac locally
ranges around 90$ up!!! With the prices that I have seen for T in the
states, even allowing for exchange, duty, GST, shipping, the price
from US is still cheaper!

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


" I'm getting SO desperate, even new-mown grass is looking good!!

[ Nothing in the Guide, Mike! Can any of our Washington State members
help out?  -S. ]

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From: ??????????????
Subject: RE: Your Pipes Digest subscription request


Thanks for the subscription to "The Pipe Digest". I am the owner of
Finck Cigar Company, manufacturers of cigars since 1893 (started by my
great grandfather). We aquired the "Wally Frank" mail order Cigar,
Pipe, and Tobacco business in January of 1993. We have a large
selection of nationally known brands as well as many private labels.
All of our pipe tobacco is manufactured by Peter Stokkebye of
Denmark. We also carry an assortment of Peterson, Jobey, Butz Choquin,
Comoy's, GBD, and many other pipes.

If any of your subscribers are interested in a catalog or have any
questions regarding cigars, pipes, tobacco, snuff, cigarette tobacco,
chewing tobacco, accessories ... I would love to hear from them.

My email is ?????????????????
or my mailing adress is:
Finck Cigar Company
414 Vera Cruz St.
P.O. Box 831007
San Antonio, Texas 78283
(800) 221-0638

Thanks again


[ I've updated the Guide, Bill! Got a couple of mails from you, and
this is the one that got in. :-) Welcome! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: #1(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...


I really want to express my thanks for the work you do putting the Digest
out. The lates issue (#187) was especially interesting.  I really enjoyed the
story of Ashton Pipe.

I have about 120 pipes and have been a pipe smoker for more than 25 years=2E
Besides the actual smoking of my pipes I really enjoy reading about the
history of some of the pipe makers and the tobacco companies.  I also enjoy
shopping antique stores and looking for tobacco related items such as old
pipe racks or humidors.

Again, thanks for you efforts.

Don Churn

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From: ????????????????????????????????? (Eric Allstott)
Subject: Edwards Tobacco?


Living in Fort Collins, Colorado has many benefits.  Mountains
and rivers, good beer, lots of sun, etc.  One of the things missing
though is a selection of tobacco shops.  We have one.  That shop 
is Edwards Darts and Tobaccos.  Dutch (the fella who owns runs the 
place) swears up and down that NO tobacco burns better and that NO
bowl smokes nicer than those produced by Edwards.  Being new to this
game I can't say whether he is blowing smoke up my ___ or not.  What
is the consensus on Edwards products?  If people have opinions please
mail me directly at "???????????????????????".  


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From: ???????????????????? (Ricard Pardell Vilella,BCN)
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request


Thanks for subscribing me to the digest. 

I'm a junior pipe smoker from Barcelona (just six months smoking). I like
english and scandinavian mixtures. I love briar pipes and already have nine
of them!

Best regards from Barcelona.

Ricard Pardell.

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From: "Mark D. Lamoree" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Kevin, Kids, and Hysteria

	Kudos to Micheal from Britan(sorry-I don't recall the last name) 
for a lucid critique of the American Zietguist.  Political Correctness 
and its corrolaries(anti-tobacco hysteria being one of them) is nothing 
more than a re-birth of puritanism.  Our public discourse and our 
society's attitudes are permeated by the constant fear that, as Menken 
put it, "Someone, somewhere is having a good time."
	Although the suuporters of the new puritanism ascribe nothing but 
the purest of motives to themselves, the true aim is nothing new or 
noble.  Puritanism, in whatever ilk, is aimed at nothing more than 
control of others.  Michel Foucault noted that our society is one 
charactarized by a complex and subtle web of power that attempts to make 
us all subjects.  While this is certainly true, what is even more 
disturbing is the willingness of people to accept the controls inposed by 
power.  We are like slaves who call for more and heavier chains.
	As far as the youth element of the issue:the sharing of a pipe is 
*not* equilelent to corruption of youth.  Nor is there any basis to 
assume any sort of purient intent in our fellow tobaccophile's actions.  
It is truly unofrtunate that there is a legitimate concern about whether 
his acitons will be construed in this way.
	To veer from political and philosophical matters, I must say that 
I experimented with tobacco from the time I was about twelve years 
old.(Almost nine years ago)  I did not become a drug addict, a pervert or 
a libertine.  The only ill effect I suffered was a ciggarette habit that 
I am just now breaking. Perhaps if I had experimented with pipes rather 
than sucking ceaslessly on the floor sweepings marketed as tobacco by the 
cigarette companies, I would have avoided this as weel.  BTW, one of my 
fist "cigarettes" consisted of some of my father's Amphora rolled up in a 
piece of notbook paper.  
	Enough preaching...I suspect my time on the soapbax is up.:)

Mark D. Lamoree			     :  I Am Not a Number, I Am a Free Man!
????????????????????????	     :			-#6
Loyola University, Chicago	     :	My Mind Is Not For Rent.
Citizen, Libertarian, Gun Owner      :	                -Howard Roark
               If The Dream Is Won, Though Everything Is Lost, 
           We Will Pay the Price, But We Will not Count the Cost -Neil Peart
		...They never heard/For they Never Changed.
				Can You Hear Me Now?
						-Chris Oliva

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From: ???????????????? (Nanosh J. Lucas)
Subject: Could you PLEASE?

I wrote in the last pipe digest for everyone to give me an email if they
wanted to be on the mailing list.  I forgot to mention that the mailing
list is a paper mailing list - would it be at all possible to mail this out
to everyone?  Pulvers' Prior Briar at this time only has a paper mailing
list at the moment - therefore they need to send an address that they can
be reached at.

If you can't, no problem - I'm just getting swamped with requests to be on
the list, and I have to write an apology to most people.


Nanosh J. Lucas

Nanosh J. Lucas
333 N. Rengstorff Ave. Apt #25
Mountain View, CA  94303

[ The perils of email, Nanosh! -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????? (Jerry Quick)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #187 - April 26, 1995


   Great job on the digest keep up the good work.  I have followed
most of the articals and was wondering how many of your followers
smoke the Ascorti line of pipes?  This has long been a favorite of
mine. Sometimes I even choose this pipe over the numerous Ashton's and
Dunhill's that fill my racks.

   Thanks Steve,

        Jerry Quick     

Life is too short to worry enjoy the moment...<G>

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: #3(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...

My name is Alex Floyd, and I'm 23. I beside pipe & cigar smoking.
Love Aldous Huxley, &  Dr.Who &  Rumpole( I think he looks great
when he smokes)
I've been reading the digest & the newsgroup for some time.The digest is much
better.I have to agree with "[email protected] demon".Right on
the money.Living in Mass., I'm mocked for smoking,by people 
who do! My love for British writers, & shows,(I listen to talk radio
too!)HE'S A LUNATIC! I hear you say.<grin>
Why don't these people get a life?
They should happily co-exist, & if it isn't too much trouble,shut up.
The Mass. vote on no tobacco? Please someone send me info.
I hate this state for this reason,it's very fascist.
I hope the editor will tolerate my posting, & keep up the good work!

[ BTW, I'm the one who created alt.fan.rumpole, and its original FAQ,
now in the capable hands of Brenda Sharpe... quashing your post would
be like pleading guilty! Unthinkable!  Welcome! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Re: #1(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...

I'm looking to purchase a new humidor for between 12-25 cigars and would like
one of the highest quality. I have heard Davidoff and Dunhill do a fine job,
but I wonder if there is a retailer that sells them at a discount. Ordering
them from the main stores in New York means paying full retail.

I would also love to know of a pipe store that carries the finer brands at a
discount. I would love to increase the collection, but hate to pay the full
price if the same is availible elsewhere for less. Any hints would be greatly
appreciated. Also, is there any other great humidor brands? If so, where does
one go to purchase them? Possibly CA magazine has done an article on this=2E 

Meanwhile I'll just sit back and smoke a bowl of Dunhill 965 and enjoy
myself. I love reading PD and appreciate being apart of this fine mailing

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From: "Joseph M. Johnston" <??????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

     I put a "mailto" on my cigar page so that people can subscribe.  
Just testing it.  While I'm at it, could you put me on your subscription 


Joseph M. Johnston    ??????????????????????????
INTERNET to FIDONET   ?????????????????????????????????????
CIGAR HOMEPAGE        http://astro.ocis.temple.edu/~joejohn/cigar.html

[ Thanks for doing so, and welcome! -S. ]

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From: "Jacco van Muiswinkel" <??????????????????????>
Subject:       Early Mourning Pipe


After having read so much about English Blends I decided to try them. 
I must say I did try them before once but that was only a sample 
package by W0 Larsen, I liked them, but I wasn't overwelmed.
So I thought let's buy me a tin of Early Morning Pipe. And let me 
tell you, It was an experience. Be it in a negative way. I filled my 
pipe. Lit it and tasted a bar of soap... Put it away, relit it and 
than it tasted quite well. And what a nice pipe it was. The pipe I 
smoked had a relatively small bowl but it lasted for 1 1/2 hour. 
After that one and a halve hour I started feeling sick. Not just sick 
but very _sick_.
I couldn't touch a pipe in days without getting that sick feeling 
again. After a week, smoking was a pleasure again. But not Early 
Moring Pipe, the tint stayed closed for weeks. Then I tried it again, 
and within a few puffs: The same effect.

What could this be? And moreover is this typical for English Blends. 
If so I'll skip them in the future. Dit I make a wrong choise with 
Early Morning Pipe? HELP! 

Jacco van Muiswinkel         | 
??????????????????????????   | 

[ I'd say that EMP is not for you, Jacco! Why push yourself to like
something that doesn't agree with you? -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: #2(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...

Dear Steve -

Thanks El Mucho for your help in getting the Bliley report out there.  Our
notes must've crossed in the mail, because I sent up my last posting before I
got your note re. getting my floppy, etc.  BTW - I'm glad to hear about the
number of requests you've gotten for the report.  I've put it in the pipe &
cigar library we have here in AmericaOnAndOn - so far about 15 downloads.
 About your reservations concerning a.s - I know that your reservations stem
from flamage (yes, I know about that group).  Howsomever there are 2 things
that might be accomplished.  1 - there might be some people on there who
would actually want to read it, and 2 - for the folks of the other persuation
it would be a "shot accross the bow" so to speak, letting 'em know we're not
afraid to face 'em down.  As far as myself, if I get flamed so be it.  I have
friends know know some ways to neutralize it.  If, however, it would also lay
you open to getting flamed, then by all means follow your instinct - I
certainly wouldn't want to bring that kind of thing down on you.  Whatever
you decide to do is fine with me.

About that Massachusetts thing - WHAT IDIOCY!  I predict the idea will
ultimately get defeated (or perhaps repealed if it passes).  The Mass. State
legislature must be controlled by democrats.  Only "liberals" could come up
with an idea like that.  Perhaps part of liberalism's last gasp?  Oh,

And one last thing - you didn't answer the question in my last posting re=2E
where I can go to download back issues of the PD.  If there's an FTP site
where I can do this please let me know the site and directory.  Thank you,

Lebewohl die Partisaner!

Steve J. (Briar Man)

[ Steve, my concern was not so much about getting flamed (that's
happened _quite_ frequently) as it was about diluting the
effectiveness of the report by making it available to the antismokers
for unopposed rebuttal.  I wanted to mainly disseminate it through the
"friendly" channels.  But I'll follow your wishes and post the
announcement to a.s., if that's what you would like.  (And, BTW, if by
"neutralization" you mean unauthorized cancellation of opposing
viewpoints, I'm opposed to that.)

The FTP and Web sites are listed at the bottom of this mailing, as
always. I'm trying to think of some way I could let folks know that
the Bliley Report is out there, too.

And thank you for your major, major efforts! Long Live the Resistance! -S=2E ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: PD Readers going to the Big Smok

Dear Steve:

I must begin this note by saying just how much I enjoy reading PD each week.
 You are to be rewarded for the work that you do.  BTW, is there an easy way
for you to segregate the cigar from the pipe stories?

I am planning to attend the Big Smoke in New York on Thursday, May 25.  I was
wondering if anyone else was going?  Perhaps PD readers could get together
either before or after and enjoy a smoke of our own?

Also, if anyone has gone to a Big Smoke before, please help with any info
that I need to know before going.  


Stuart M. Altschuler

[ The question about cigar vs. pipe postings has come up before; it's
hard to do, because some postings concern both pipes and cigars. R the
Big Smoke: just wear a suit and be careful about getting it
burned. And have a designated driver or take mass transit; the alcohol
flows _quite_ liberally. :-) Have fun! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: ******Antique Pipe Available****

(forwarded to other members for a possible quicker response.  if you all know
of someone else, send it along.  :)~  )

Greetings one and all,

Well, as some of you can tell, this is pretty important.  A local antique
dealer stopped by the store with a very unique piece that he had no idea what
to do with.  He bought it as part of a jammed humidor at an estate sale and
didn't see it till he got home.  I am the first "dealer" to have seen this
piece, and unfortunately didn't have the disposable income to put down on
this piece at this time, So naturally I thought of you all first and am
providing this opportunity.

It comes with the original case, which has thankfully born the brunt of the
last several decades and also helps to account for the very good condidtion
of the pipe.  It is smokeable, and contained some ash and unsmoked tobak
remnants when I turned it over.  This pipe may have been "smoked" four times.
 There is some damage created by banging the bowl on a hard surface to clear
it of the contents (which judging from the dings was unsmoked tobak.)  

The bowl itself is about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches deep and about 3/4 to and inch
accross the top.  Not much caking at all.  The bowl tips outward (helping to
date the pipe...circa 1890 ish I think...)  The Bowl itself is made of wood,
the grain hidden by the finish of the pipe and the metal ring around the top
of the bowl (explanation later).  The coloration starts as a coffee brown at
the bottom and lightens progressively to a honey brown just under the ring.
 There are two grooves running horizontal to the top of the pipe just below
the start of the metal.  the whole wooden portion is highly polished with few
noticable flaws.  There are no identifying marks on this pipe otherwise.  

The metal ring on the bowl (which completely covers the top half and top
edge) is gold colored (he says gold, I say brass....but I am no metallurgist
and he is a chemist by trade...so who knows).  It makes for a very nice
looking pipe.  The metal on the top is dented slightly from the emptying of
the bowl on a hard surface (as mentioned before).  ON the gold there are
silver (real) indian heads in full head dress, leading into flowing corn
stalks with two ears of corn.  There is one of these on either side of the
bowl.  Excellent craftsmanship.  The shank (?) is square/diamond shaped and
is ringed by the gold/brass and one Indian head which goes 3/4 of the way
around the piece.  

The Stem has very little marking from use on it.  It is a resin of some sort,
clear amber in color wit virtually no discoloration from use.  It screws into
the shank via a hand fashioned system using a mallable material that also
acts as a sort of washer...I think it is bakelite or something
similar....could be mistaken.  The stem is the same square/diamond shape as
the shank.

It is a very attractive pipe and has aged very well.  The asking price is
$300, however I would be willing to hear a rough (since you all can't
actually see the pipe) estimate as to the pipes real value.  

If you are interested in buying this piece (Hard to do sight unseen I know)
give me a call at the store during business hours  9 AM to 5 PM Eastern time
 ....The Sundries Shop, (207)-942-1746.  Would like to hear from you.

Roger Hawkins

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Change of address

Dear Steve,

My e-mail address has changed.  My old address was ???????????????  I'm sorry
if this is a nuisance to you.

Thanks for your quick response to my subscription request.  I downloaded all
back issues and subjected my laser printer to a lot of overtime, printing out
the same.  The issues are now firmly ensconced in three-ring binders.

I have relished the reading of the early issues.  It reminds me of the time
that I purchased Book I of the Pipe Smokers' Ephemeris.  I pored over the
pages of that book, all the while savoring my pipes.  My wife thinks I'm
nuts, but so are pistachios.  :-)

With your consent, I plan to keep in regular touch with your mailgroup about
our common interests, namely, pipes and tobacco.  We have few guarantees in
life and there is so much to savor and experience.  I'm not trying to sound
maudlin, but we are dead a long time! :-)

Last year, at this time, my wife and I were living in the French Alps.  While
on a trip to Switzerland I bought a pouch of Avalon Mixture.  It became a
favorite of mine as well as having a favorable WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor).
 When we returned to the US, I was dismayed to discover that it is not sold
here.  I checked with a number of nationally known tobacconists and they were
unable to duplicate Avalon Mixture.  Davidoff of New York suggested that I
contact their Geneva store (which is a shrine, BTW).  I faxed my order.  Six
days later I received the five (50 gram) pouches I ordered along with a
receipt equivalent to $54.00.  The shipping/handling was more than the cost
of the tobacco.  My taste buds had better not change until I have consumed
every ounce or I'll really be kicking myself.

Enough jabbering for now,

James Lawson,  Bangor, Maine

[ Wow! That's some of the most expensive pipe tobacco I've ever heard
of! -S. ]

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From: Tim <???????????????????>
Subject: Cubans in the States

I'm still amazed, with the cold war supposedly over, that you 
folks can't import Cubans.  I was talking to a tobacconist here 
(who, of course, will have to remain nameless) and he claims to 
send a lot of Cubans down your way.  His strategy is to take 
them out of the box, remove the bands, pack the cigars in 
another container (ie. without "Cuba" written on it), and send 
them by mail.  He also sends the bands in a separate envelope.  
He's only willing to do this by the box (sorry, no singles and 
these babies aren't cheap up here in the North!) but apparently 
does so often.  Of course, if the cigars were stopped at the 
border (although it's hard to imagine why they would be) it 
would be the customer's problem, but this nameless tobacconist 
says that this has, as yet, never occurred.  I'm surprised that 
I've never seen this on the digest.  If this is something that 
the enlightened cigar smoker already knows but deems unsafe to 
discuss in public, I sincerely hope that you will NOT print 
this note.  I'm certainly not trying to wreck a good thing, 
here, just wondering if it's generally known...

[ As long as the tobacconist remains unknown, I see no reason not to
print the note. To this end, I've taken the liberty of jiggering your
address a little so that he or she can't be traced by proximity to
you.  This means that other members are on their own about opening up
similar channels. Thanks!  -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????? (BOB WEISKE)
Subject: Newbie  Uncloaks

Dear Steve:

Thanks for welcoming me into the PD group. As the above indicates, I'm a 
recent arrival in the 'net world. This digest seems like such a comfortable 
place after bumbling around through www and newsgroups.

I've been an intermittent pipe smoker for about 44 years. Recently, after 
having quit cigarettes for about 13 years, I have begun to really enjoy pipe 
smoking. I think this is due to the lapse of the inhaling reflex. I have also 
made a few pipes from briar plateaux which I have enjoyed both for the 
smoking pleasure and compliments received. Made a couple for my son and 

I have accumulated over 30 pipes of many kinds over the years, ranging from 
drugstore jobs to Stanwells. I'm pretty comfortable with tobaccos I have 
ordered from Carey's over the years. I avoid their "fruit salad" type 
aromatics. I aquired some 965 after reading about it here - excellent!

I mentioned above that I have made a few freehands. I was intrigued by a 
comment by one of the gang that he had a pipe made of bubinga wood. I have 
been curious about other woods suitable for pipe making (other than cherry 
and maple). I have seen several references to wood toxicity in woodworking
magazines, particularly with reference to exotic hardwoods. I asked Tim 
West(the source of the plateau for my favorite freehand) about alternate 
woods, and he couldn't think of any. BTW I'm glad to see him on the resource 
list. I would appreciate if anyone could recommend exotic hardwood(s) with 
qualities similar to mediterranean briar. 

Regarding pipe-friendly places on th SF peninsula: I had visited Old 
Knickerbockers in Menlo Park, but hadn't realized that the affiliated British 
Bankers Club had a pipe smokers' area until I read it here and asked them 
about it. My favorite smoking retreat here in Silicon Valley is an old 
Stanford hang-out called the Alpine Inn in Palo Alto. It is a roadhouse/beer 
garden est. in the 1800's. Many people call it "ZOTTS", a nickname for the 
former owners. I really enjoy having lunch outside and enjoying a pipe close 
by a gurgling creek. Does anyone in this area have a favorite pipe/cigar 
smoking retreat?

Thanks for having me aboard, Steve.

            Bob Weiske <?????????????????????>   

[ ZOTTS (is it all upper case?) sounds interesting! A speakeasy for
cigar lovers in deepest California! Thanks! -S. ]

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From: "Timothy F. Hogge" <??????????????????????>
Subject: Introduction


How are you? Well, I hope. When I subscribed you requested that I
send a brief introduction, and now, after a considerable delay, I
present it to you. I am a 19 year old history student at Virginia
Commenwealth University, working his way toward law school. I have
been smoking cigars for about a year and have been experimenting with
pipes off and on now for about six months. I have found the Digest to
be very well run and very informative, and so I look forward to
recieving it. I live in the Richmond, Va. area and would love to talk
with anyone about cigars and pipes, in person or by email, contained
in the header. For those in the Richmond area, or passing through, I
would like to recommend The Tobacco House, Ltd. at 3138 West Cary
Street. They have a fair selection, I have not been to many tobacco
stores so this is pure opinion, of pipes, both new and used, tobacco,
and cigars. They are a friendly bunch who are always willing to talk.
I have rambled on enough and so I bid you a wonderful evening.


Tim Hogge

Timothy F. Hogge

Fame or integrity: which is more important?
Money or happiness: which is more valuable?
Success or failure: which is more destructive?
			Tao Te Ching, Chapter 44

Think about it. The answers may surprise you.

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From: "Neil A. Garra" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Subscription Please!


Please sign me up for a subscription to Pipe Digest!

Wife & I just started smoking Pipes this past January and discovered
the digest in the Compuserve Bachus Wine Forum Smokeshop just last
month.  The pub is a real treasury, since there are very few books in
print dealing with the topic.

Prior to January we were both non-smokers, and started the hobby for
health reasons.  (Hope the Tobacco Polizei don't see this heresy!)
Nicotine relieves many of her migraines w/o the use of hard drugs.
Even her doctor agrees it's worth continuing as long as it helps.  I
find that it soothes my ADD-churned brain and helps me lose weight to
boot!  Most important, our hyperactive Belgian Sheepdog mellows
considerably when the air is full of aromatic tobacco smoke, often
choosing to lay peacefully in another room while we puff (and not a
minute longer, I might add).  We haven't had to slip downers into his
water for weeks.  What's a remote chance of cancer compared to those

Best Wishes,

Neil & Karen Garra 

[ Neil, for some reason, I'm always quite pleased to get mail from
couples who smoke pipes.  Welcome!  And has anyone else had any
beneficial effects on migraines? -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Charatan's Supreme wanted

Cyberpipers: I have a friend looking for a Charatan's Supreme; willing to
trade Castello and Dunhill. Regards,......Rex

[ And a bruyere to be named at a later time :-) -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Misc pipe stuff

Hello Steve and PD Readers!

I've got three things to pass on in this letter:  1)  some great replies to
the questions I had, related to being a new pipe smoker, 2) a very exotic
pipe for sale, for serious collectors only, and 3) An update on replies on my
upcoming cross country venture:

First, I got some real good advice from Ed Berggren that I thought was just
too good to keep to myself.  Other new pipe smokers might find this valuable:

------Start of stuff from Ed-------
1)  Relative to tamping:  Yes, tamping definitely helps a pipe stay lit
longer.  As it is smoked, the tobacco tends to loosen up a bit.  Tamping
helps keep it packed together so that one lit strand can light an adjacent
one.  In fact, one of the big problems in my pipe smoking life is holding
onto the pipe with one hand while tamping with the other while driving down
the highway at 65mph.  If, in your travels, you figure out how to solve
this one, please let me know.

2)  Relative to moisture:  Most of the moisture that collects in the bottom
of your pipe is the result of the tobacco burning (heat creates
condensation).  Aromatic tobaccos, in general, tend to smoke "wetter" than
the English-Scottish blends, but there are exceptions to everything.  Also,
some of the moisture is spittle running down the stem.  Pipe cleaners are
the simplest solution.  When your pipe starts to gurgle, run a cleaner down
the stem and (carefully) into the bowl.  It will absorb the moisture and,
with a little tamping, you're on your way.  Of course, the cleaner comes
out dirty and smelly, so you may not want to wave it about in polite
company.  Peterson makes its famous "system" pipes which have an extra
chamber beneath the bowl to collect the moisture.  I've never had a
Peterson, so I can't speak from experience, but a lot of folks swear by
them.  I do believe they're a bit pricey.  Richard Hacker in his book, "The
Ultimate Pipe Book" writes about something called Nording Pipe Stones which
are small clay pellets.  You drop 3 or 4 of these into your pipe before
loading and they absorb the moisture.  I haven't been able to find any of
these in the shops I frequent, so again I can't tell you if they work.
----End of stuff from Ed-------

By the way, I did check my local pipe shop, and they hadn't even heard of the
pipe stones, although they did have some disposable crystals of some type
that you're supposed to put in the bottom of the pipe and dispose of with the
dottle.  It didn't seem too good an idea to me, but the pipe stones still
sound very intriguing to me.  Also, Ed, my friend Vern said that he's SEEN
the pipe caps, that you mentioned in the last PD, at our local pipe shop, but
I haven't seen them myself.  I'll check next time I'm in there and get back
to you if they have them.

And speaking of the pipe shop, the second item is kind of an interesting
one-- while talking with the shopkeep, a nice young lady who has apparently
been running the place for years, talked to me a little about the subject of
pipe collecting, and she wanted me to let everyone know that they have a pipe
for sale, so here it is.  Hold onto your hats:

Pipe For Sale:
Very high end, carved Meerschuam-- never smoked.  It's a large pipe that
should stay on a table (handling should be avoided).  The pipe is a carving
of Anthony kneeling by a nude Cleopatra.  The intricate carving, from a solid
piece of Meerschaum, is adorned with many other detailed features.  It was
carved in 1979 by Ismail Ozel (there is an umlaut over the "O"), in Turkey.
 The whole pipe is about the size of a small football (probably not the
standard unit of measure for pipes, but I'm new to this, so forgive me).
 This pipe is an incredible looking piece, but due to the price, I'm sure is
only for the serious collector.  It is reported to be one of the largest
Meerschaums in the U.S., and the asking price is $15,000.  If you want to
know more about it, let me know and I will get details.

Regarding my trip across the U.S., I got some GREAT responses from people,
including offers to just call and say "hi", and offers to visit and have a
smoke, which is really going to be neat, I think!  I've got a couple places
in Colorado to stay, a couple in Arizona and an offer for a night in central
Virginia.  As for the rest of the trip, I'm tentatively planning to sleep in
my Mazda pickup, under the safety of a canopy most of the time, but may hit a
motel from time to time to freshen up.  Regarding the canopy, I've got a
"beater" identified for $70 which I'll probably buy, and then if I can find a
better one in the meantime I'll get it instead.  I'd like to have something a
little nicer than the one I've found, but the one I've found recently will do
until then.  Then I need to get someone lined up as a housesitter to watch
the place and mow my lawn, etc. while I'm gone, and then I'm on the road!

One the most important items in preparation for the trip is now taken care
of-- I have a laptop computer with AOL software installed and a modem, such
that I can should be able to make contact with the PD crew and keep ya'll
posted on what's transpired, and which great pipe related discoveries I might
have made along the way.  A couple of people told me about some neat shops in
some out of the way places that are a "must visit", so I'll try to hit those,
including "Bob", who suggested a couple of places in Louisiana, in Baton
Rouge and New Orleans.  It's shaping up into an interesting trip already, and
I haven't even gotten on the road!

If anyone has anything else that I should add to my list, or again, either has
 a place, or can suggest a place where I could park my truck to sleep and/or
take a shower (like a community pool that's open in the morning or whatever),
I'll put it into the my database that I've got compiled for the trip.  Any
advice on good pipe spots to visit, interesting people to talk to, places to
eat, or sights to see are appreciated.  I don't know when, or IF I'll have a
chance to take another trip like this, so I'd like to see as much as I can.

Thanks to all the great people who've written already, especially those
who've offered a place to stay and/or the chance to sit down and have a smoke
and talk for a few hours.  I'm looking forward to it!

--Charlie Jewell

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Universal Studio Tours

Sorry to take so long to get back to you steve.  You asked me if Universal
 Studio Tours was a major tourest attraction?  It is considered one of Los
Angles' main attractions .  Families from all over the world travel to this
entertainment theme park each year, so it does to tend to get very crouded.
 My family has spent the entire day there many times but we always try to get
there early.

   There is a tram tour that my kids loved cause you can see them making
movies, they take you on the back lot where you see the streets and sets
 used to make movies.  You can see a real soud stage and have an encounter
with King Kong and the Shark from Jaws.  You can see the back to the Future
and Backdraft attractions.  My two year old loved the E.T. special effects
ride across the universe with E.T.  I could go on and on belive me Steve it
is BIG  BIG  BIG Thank you Don ???????????????

[ Gee, Don, I'm confused (but that's nothing new. :-) I thought _you_
were asking _me_! Thanks for the info! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????? (Alberto Bonfiglioli PIPEMAKER)
Subject: New WWW Homepage !!!

 Dear Steve I hope to see you at St. Louis Conv. the 27-28 May 95 .
Today I have make a new contract to have an homepage on a commercial WWW
Tomorrow try to find it at :


Is possible to enter my link in your Resource List?

Sincerely Alberto

[ I've checked this out, and it looks _great_! Thanks! BTW, all prices
listed are in lira, I think.  -S. ]

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From: "John D. Morvant" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

Steve: Thanks for adding me to the list. As for personal  background I 
have smoked cigars since college (mid-60's). I have been on Guam for the 
past ten years coming out here as news director of one of the commercial 
television stations. Before that, I was in mostly small to medium markets 
on the Mainland for about 15-years. For the past six years I have been 
Director of Public Affiars for the University of Guam. Not only is Guam a 
tropical paradise with great diving-- we are also within 4-1/2 hours of 
just about every Far Eastern Capitol...and only 3-1/2 hours from Hong 
Kong, i.e, Cuban cigars! Living out here has allowed me to collect some 
rather unusual, and interesting, cigars. I have two boxes of really good 
cigars that I picked up in Burma some time back plus any number of 
"exotics" from Indonesia and the Philippines. Anyway, there are some 
cigar lovers out here and we are trying to form a club. When we organize 
I'll send the information to you so that any weary traveler passing 
through here (7-1/2 to 8-hours just from Hawaii) will have a place to 
relax with other cigar smokers. Being 8,000 miles from the Mainland it's 
great to have a list like this so that we don't feel completely isolated 
from our hobby. Yours truly, John D. Morvant, University of Guam 

[ Welcome, John! I've occasionally been curious about Burma cigars;
perhaps you could share your findings? -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????????? (Mike O'Connell)
Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request

I look forwaard to receiving your digest!  I am mostly a cigar smoker, 
especially enjoy Paul Garmirian, La Gloria Cubana.  Interested in 
discussions of limitation of our rights...  Miguelito

[ A few articles here on this subject. Welcome! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????? (MR JEFFREY J FOURNIER)
Subject: Pipe digest submission

Hi, thanks for letting me in to the group and here's to a
prosperous future!

I've been pipe smoking for about four years now, with the
occasional cigar and sometimes a good Nat Sherman or a
handrolled cigarette of Native American Blend Tobbacco.
Since I'm probably A little inexpierienced in the
'International' pipe scene I will gladly listen to the
wisdom of my smoking elders.

My pipe collection consists of about seven or so quality
Pipes with one small cased Meerschaum wich I am working on
breaking in.  By far I prefer the apple shapes with a
diamond cross section so I can set it down, But freehand
andSlightly bent shapes are nice to.  I'd have to say right 
now about the best pipe I like smoking is My Falcon from Dr 
Grabow (yes I know I can hear the sniffs of disdain but for 
the money it is a good pipe).

As for blends I prefer the aromatics, having tried a few of 
the more traditional blends. I especially liked Cesear
Borgia from Amphorae.  It's sadly out of stock now and
I hear they do not make it any more.

As for things I would like to see any articles on Pipes and 
tobbacco which would be of intrest in historical nature as
well as of practical.  It's nice to know how to smoke or
choose the right smoke, but it's also good to not repeat the 
mistakes of the past.

Well, until later, enjoy a pipeful.


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From: ?????????????????????????? (Jeffrey M. Poulin)
Subject: water pipe description

I thought this might be of some interest to PD readers.

I have a Lebanese water pipe inherited from my grandparents.  It is called an
'arkilley' or 'arkilleh' or 'arghilleh'  depending on the accent of the person
pronouncing the name.  God alone knows what the real spelling would be.  It
was brought to this country by my Lebanese great-great-grandmother when she
immigrated to Rhode Island in the 1880's.  I don't know how old it is in fact
but it is obviously over a century.  I have seen a photo of her smoking it
around 1920.  It is unused since the 1930's when she died.  (Health nazis
please note:  she died of VERY old age.)

The base is dark green, cut glass with what I assume to be hand painted
flowers on it.  It is about 18 inches high.  The metal parts are white brass. 
Two tubes of different lenght go into the base (one into the liquid, the other
just above it.)  The tubes go up to a cap that seals the base.  The submerged
tube connects to the bowl that holds the charcoal and tobacco; the other
connects to a spot on the side of the cap where the mouthpiece hose is
inserted.  The bowl, which holds the tobacco, has a pottery (ceramic?) bowl
that fits on top of it leaving a little air space.  I believe this topmost
bowl holds the charcoal used to ignite the tobacco.  (Please keep in mind that
I am working from old memories of my grandparents' descriptions and they never
actually used the thing.)  The metal section is all one piece.  The hose is
ribbed and flexible like a narrow vacuum cleaner hose.  The mouthpiece appears
to be ivory.

When used, the base would be filled with water to just below the shorter metal
tube.  A dollop of arak, which is an anise-flavored Lebanese liquor, was
added.  (I remember a bottle of arak my grandfather had, it was 110 proof! 
Whew!  Lebanese moonshine!)  From his description, it sounds like the tobacco
was a plug of Virginia leaf.  He said it was somewhat sticky and broad, so I
assume it was plug tobacco.  This would be cut up very coarsely and placed in
the bowl.  The charcoal was ignited and placed in the bowl above it where it
would start the tobacco smoldering.  By drawing on the mouthpiece, a slight
vaccum was formed which drew the smoke down into the liquid.  The smoke would
rise to the air space and be available to the smoker.  By passing through the
liquid, a lot of the tar and other nastiness would be filtered out and the
smoke would take on some of the flavor of the arak.  The result was apparently
pretty mild.  The base had to be emptied and thoroughly cleaned after each
use.  You can imagine what that liquid was like after a good long smoking

I have no reason to think this water pipe is especially valuable or rare.  I
am told that many of my G-G-grandmother's contemporaries (all women) also
smoked similar pieces.  Oddly enough, my grandparents did not remember men
using the water pipes.  They smoked either pipes or, more often, cigars. 
Certainly none of that group of immigrants would have been able to afford
anything rare or expensive.  I received it because I am the only descendent
who	=E7Dokes
some good flake Virginia and (cheap) bourbon in the water.

Hope this bit of family history wasn't too boring.  It might be interesting to
hear from others who have smoking pieces passed down through the generations. 
Happy Puffing.  The Bear.

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[ Not at all! Hang onto it; it sounds like a real collector's item! -S. ]

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(To a gum-chewer) "I'd like to, but unlike you, I can't stick my oral
fixation under a table." 
                                - From "101 Ways to Answer the
                                  Question, 'Would You Please Put Out
                                  that #(!&*!$ Cigar'," Hague et. al.,

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #188 - May 4, 1995
  2. Subject: How to fight the Prohibition in Massachussetts
  3. Subject: Query: Pipe shops in Europe, esp. Berlin
  4. Subject: Mail order tobac in WA???
  5. Subject: RE: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  6. Subject: Re: #1(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...
  7. Subject: Edwards Tobacco?
  8. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  9. Subject: Kevin, Kids, and Hysteria
  10. Subject: Could you PLEASE?
  11. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #187 - April 26, 1995
  12. Subject: Re: #3(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...
  13. Subject: Re: #1(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...
  14. Subject: Pipes Digest
  15. Subject: Early Mourning Pipe
  16. Subject: Re: #2(4) Pipes Digest #187 -...
  17. Subject: PD Readers going to the Big Smok
  18. Subject: ******Antique Pipe Available****
  19. Subject: Change of address
  20. Subject: Cubans in the States
  21. Subject: Newbie Uncloaks
  22. Subject: Introduction
  23. Subject: Subscription Please!
  24. Subject: Charatan's Supreme wanted
  25. Subject: Misc pipe stuff
  26. Subject: Universal Studio Tours
  27. Subject: New WWW Homepage !!!
  28. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  29. Subject: Re: Your Pipes Digest subscription request
  30. Subject: Pipe digest submission
  31. Subject: water pipe description
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