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Subject: Pipes Digest #202 -- October 29, 1995

		Pipes Digest #202 -- October 29, 1995
	     Copyright (C) 1995 by Stephen P. Masticola.
	   All rights reserved. Commercial use prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 1555

Welcome to new members:

	 Jason Gross			(???????????????????)
	 Richard Beels			(?????????????????????????)
	 Brian Y. Scott			(?????????????????????)
	 Ross Reyes			(????????????????????????)
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And see PsychoEng's article, immediately below, for an enjoyable way
to spend pleasant Halloween! 

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	    Help Stop Prohibition  --  Keep Tobacco Legal

		      Call  --  Write  --  Vote

			Then, smoke in peace.

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Ghost Storyteller Secret

The following pipe related story is excerpted from an article in the
Birmingham Post Herald of 10/20/95 titled "TANGLED WEBS: Ghost-story tellers
share their secrets", written by Rebecca Taylor.  The subject of the excerpt
is Kathryn Tucker Windham, an Alabama author with a wonderful series of
southern ghost story collections to her credit, and an accomplished

     Maybe some can do it better than others, but Mrs. Windham insists that
everyone is a storyteller.  When she is onstage, she says, she never uses
spooky voices or sound effects;  she just tries to be herself.
     "My father was a wonderful storyteller, and I grew up listening to him
tell stories and listening to other good storytellers on our front porch,"
she says.  "And they just told straightforward stories; they told things the
way they happened."
     "I hope I kind of do it the way he did.  It was natural for him."
     Mrs. Windham says she often pauses when she is telling a story - not for
dramatic effect, but because it seemed natural.
     "I never realized why I did that until a few months ago.  Somebody said
to me, 'You know why you pause?'  And I said, 'Well, no, not really.'
     They said, 'Well, it's because of your father, his timing.  He smoked a
pipe, and he paused to puff on his pipe, and you're pausing for exactly the
same length of time that it would take to puff on a pipe.'  It had never
occurred to me."

And she is a great storyteller, find one of her audio tapes or videos and
enjoy a bowl of your favorite tobacco with some good southern ghost stories
for Halloween!

[ What a wonderful idea! And, BTW, it is rumored that a good smoke
will help to keep at bay the ghosties and goblins and long-leggedy
beasties and and things that go bump in the night...-S. ]

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From: Jason Vagner <?????????????>
Subject: An introduction

	Hi Steve.

	I've been reading the digest for quite a while now, and I may have made
a hasty introduction before, but now I have the urge to send in something
longer with the excuse of re-introducing myself to the fellow Piper's.

	My name is Jason Vagner and I'm a 24-year old cigar fan living in Tempe
AZ (yes, home of the next SuperBowl, I can see the stadium from my house and
from the way this town is acting, it's as if the Big Game is next week). I'm a
writer with an English degree working as a system/network administrator for
Arizona State University. Along with my roommate Greg Nigh, we the founders of
AIDS Authority, a non-profit organization supporting those researching or
seeking more information on the scientific position that HIV is neither
sufficient nor necessary to cause that which is commonly referred to as "AIDS".
(No, we don't assert that people *aren't* suffering from some
immuno-suppressive condition, it's just something a little different, and not
entirely understood). For more information on this specifically, please check

	There is a tie-in, though, to smoker's rights. We have three different
levels of discourse that we as AIDS Authority develop. The third and most
"academic" includes a concern that our current medical industrial complex has
gotten into the habit of "medicalizing" normal physical functions, mitigating
the state known as "healthy", and gaining jurisdiction over normal bodily
processes. This is then backed by legislative support.

	How this actually works with regards to tobacco is another matter,
though. Normally, our discourse applies to pharmaceuticals and the medical
system applying drugs and substances to bodies. This debate is different in
that those attacked are organizations manufacturing substances with ostensibly
adverse affects on the body. Personally, as a cigar smoker (with a desire to
get into pipes) I see this kind of tobacco as quite different from cigarettes
and chewing tobacco. The "organizations" that manufacture each product work in
very different ways. How many *major* tobacco organizations own hand-made cigar
manufacturers? (I actually don't know, so I don't mean this as a rhetorical

	But, AIDS Authority doesn't concern itself with tobacco at all. I was
just rambling about the connection, politically speaking, between the efforts
of one of my concerns and this situation that smokers are dealing with.

	On a personal, puffing note: being a 24 year old cigar smoker has its
expected drawbacks. Even though I'm now a clean cut guy (and no longer the
long-hair I was up till the beginning of this summer), I still find it
difficult not to be eyed suspiciously in the more traditional smoke shops.
Perhaps it's just the local proprietors here in Phoenix, but I've unfortunately
found that the most welcome atmosphere to be the local "head shop" which
happens to have acquired a walk-in humidor from the neighboring liquor store
that it bought out. The novelty of fine cigars in such a store has created
quite a curiosity among shop keeper and customers alike. But I share the
disgust of my friend, who used to work there, at being in line with my cigars
with the same folks buying crack pipes and other hard paraphanelia.

	But, between my heavy work load and the scorching summer heat, it's
only now getting enjoyable to sit outside in the early evenings and enjoy a
cigar. My wife, the one handy with tools (give me a keyboard and her a
sledgehammer), built a wonderful pair of hammocks in our backyard. It makes an
absolutely delicious location in which to lay back and force a peaceful and
relaxing hour into my schedule.

	Up until very recently, though, the evening hours were still in the
80s, and the daytime temperatures in the (not so low) 100s. We're now enjoying
70 (and sometime 66ish) degree nights, and our little cold spell is going to be
broken with a 102 day on Thursday. As you can expect, we in Arizona *love* to
complain about the heat. It's a neverending topic of conversation. I eagerly
await the crisp mornings and chilly evenings that might, for such a brief time,
fall upon us.

	And so it has been difficult for me to find a *favorite* assortment of
cigars. I still collect wrappers and make notes, I still visit the cigar shops
each week to collect a new array of cigars, and I'm still waiting to purchase
my first full box (humidor, too).

	I've enjoyed the list very much since the beginning, more so than Cigar
Afficienado. I've found the editor's interviews with tobacco luminaries to be
quite painful (how many cigars did you make last year? how many did you ship to
America? how many do you think you'll make this year?) and not as enjoyable as
it had been in the beginning. The novelty of that period has worn off, but left
me a die-hard fan who's only dying for a little time to indulge further.

Jason Vagner

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[ You raise some very interesting points, Jason; I wonder how the MDs
on the list feel about this? And, BTW, see the article from Cameron
Laird below.  -S. ]

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From: "DemiMaster of Confusion" <????????????????????????????????>
Subject:       Cuban

I simply want to know if there is anywhere where I may be able to 
purchase- more than likely order- a Cuban Cigar? I have never had one 
and at least once in my life I would like to be able to say that I 
have been able to smoke a Cuban Cigar.

                        Joshua B. Hoynes


My smile underestimates what may really lay upon
my heart.


[ This would be in Bob Curtis's (seemingly invisible :-) cigar FAQ,
which is, I believe, reflected in the Web site. -S. ]

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From: ????????????? (Ralph T. Webb)
Subject: A question or two, or three

Thanks for signing me up for the digest.  I'm enjoying catching up on the
back issues.  If I'm not directing my questions or comments to the
appropriate address for you, please let me know.  

A couple of questions for your readers, please.

1.  I started pipe smoking when an undergrad at Florida State back in the
60's. Tallahassee had one of the classiest shopes I've ever seen, called
Jack Kirk's Smoker's World.  Jack started me off with a BBB straight-grain,
virgin apple.  Still one of my favorite pipes.  Jack blended his own pipe
tobaccos, and I still have pipe-dreams of one called Mocca.  Jack was
something of a character, and seemed to have dropped off the face of the
earth.  I would mail-order from him into the 80's, then one of my orders
came back "addressee unknown."  Over the years, I've often wondered what
happened to him.  With your wide readership, I wonder if anyone out there
ever knew of the shop or Jack's fate or if he's still lurking around the
Tallahassee area.

2.  In doing a keyword search on back issues, I see only one reference to
Kriswell pipes.  I know they are long out of business, but would like to ask
if any readers know where I could get my hands on any used ones.  I've still
got one, had a couple stolen while I was in Viet Nam, and would like to get
my hands on another--or two.


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From: ?????????????? (Matthew R. Libhart)
Subject: Tobacco Tavern

I read the new digest and picked out the first submission about "A Little
Taste of Cuba."  I am a student at Penn State University's main campus in
State College, PA.   There is a similar place here called Tobacco Tavern.
The front of the shop has a conversation circle of 4 couches where anyone
who loves a  a peaceful smoke can sit anytime to escape the outside world.
Good coffee, good conversation, and of course, a good smoke are the norm.  A
wide selection of pipes, tobaccos,  and cigars span the rest of the shop.
Drop by and fill your pipe.  I highly recommend the Blackberry Brandy tobac.

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From: "Jonathan Probber" <??????????????>
Subject:       Re: I'm a knothead

Steve - I accidentally erased the second half of #201 from my server. 
Could I prevail upon you to ship it again? Thanks!  I really enjoyed 
my first issue (I'm a newbie).  

I'm doing a Ph.D. in Hospitality Management at Penn State.  I picked
PSU after I accidentally stumbled into the Tobacco Taverne, a State
College shop which does great, reasonably priced, unusual blends and
carries a good line of private label cigars. The owner just opened a
branch in Altoona.

I really enjoy the place; if I have to stay out here for three years, 
 this'll help.  Congrats on nups!

Jonathan Probber
Graduate Student
Department of Hotel, Restaurant and Recreation Management
The Pennsylvania State University

[ Issue sent, Jon. Sounds like a great place!  If someone could supply
me with better contact information (full address & phone number), I'll
augment the Guide's sketchy entry.  And thanks! Married 7 weeks and
it's still great. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????? (Bill Fernandez)
Subject: My 1st Pipes Digest Reading

Thank you for including me on your PD subscription list.  I enjoyed reading 
all of the postings and found one of special interest; that was the list of 
US pipemakers posted by ???????????????????  As I purused the list, I 
noticed the name of a late friend, Charles Hollyday.
  Charles (Chuck) Hollyday, maker of CHP-X, Hollyday Pipes, Charles Hollyday 
Pipes, and probably others.. passed away on May 20, 1995, in Traverse City, 
Michigan. Chuck had spent the last years of his life operating a Graphics 
printing business here, making a very few pipes, and ably assisting me in 
hosting an annual trout camp for local fly fishermen. (the party and signage 
was great)  Chuck could be frequently found at Nolan's Cigar and Pipe Shop 
here in town. Mike Nolan still has a few CHP-X, and recent Hollyday 
creations; including a matched 7-day set with a Chuck-made display box.
  I am smoking a CHP-X which he made for me prior to his death.
  He is survived by his wife Margaret, daughter Leslie, and son Dan.
  Chuck Hollyday was a gifted pipemaker and a fine friend.  All of us in 
Traverse City, Michigan mourn his passing.

bill fernandez

[ Please add my condolences. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????? (Mark W. Dykes )
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #201 -- October 15, 1995

The fellow who wrote from Utah in the last issue will find a GREAT 
homegrown pipe/cigar store in Salt Lake City: Jeanie's Smoke Shop.  
They have lots of pipes; every brand, and recently completed a very 
large reach-in humidor for cigars.  Their prices are lower than the 
mall's Tinderbox (in the interest of full disclosure, yes, we have a 
Tinderbox, but it should be avoided at all costs in favor of Jeanie's). 
 The store is right downtown on State Street between 100 South and 200 
South.  It's been here for many years, was started by Jeanie's husband, 
and is now owned by Gary, Jeanie's son.  Jeanie still works the 

It's a great place.

[ Thanks, Mark!  From the Guide, they're at 156 South State Street,
Salt Lake City, UT 84111; phone (801)-322-2817. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????
Subject: Tight fisted smoker

Dear steve, 
having read some of the entries regarding hard or nearly impossible to find
favorite tobaccos, I would like to share a tip for cutting down on the amount
of "best" tobacco used in filling your pipe.  
Like many others that I have observed in your digest, I have come up short of
my supply of favorite weed from time to time.  When this happens, I have on
hand a moderate supply of Straight White Burley.  I use the White Burley,
which has little flavor of it's own, to start filling my pipe.  Usually about
1/4 to 1/3 full, and then fill the rest of the pipe with the more expensive,
or hard to find blend.  
The White Burley will take on the flavor of the better tobacco that is packed
on top of it, and while it may not give you a full bowl of your "best", it
will let you smoke every bit of your favorite to the very end of your pouch.
 The White (unflavored) Burley will smoke fine at the bottom of the bowl, and
will actually pick-up flavor and aroma from the tobacco packed on top of it.
 When you are down to your last ounce of your "best" this will extend it to 2
I hope this helps some of my fellow smokers.  It comes from a pipe smoker of
35 years experience smoking pipes and cigars.  Randolph Ruwe

[ Good idea, Randolph! -S. ]

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From: Reginald Braithwaite-Lee <?????????????????>
Subject: Cigar Parlour


> [CIGAR] While in Princeton, look up "A Little Taste of Cuba" (70
> Witherspoon St, Princeton NJ 08542; phone (609) 683-8988.)  Jorge
> Armenteros, the proprietor, has hit upon a retailing idea which could
> spark a revolution: a "cigar parlor."

And in Toronto, visit Thomas Hinds on Cumberland near Yonge and Bloor. A fine 
parlour, tremendous selection of Cubans, and their own excellent Dominican 
private label line.

I like to cure my cigars in my own humidor, so I typically take my own
into the shop, buy a couple, and smoke the one I brought. They never
object if you bring your own, but I want to support the establishment.

Friday afternoon is an excellent time to drop in--the couches and chairs are 
overflowing with fellow smokers.

I think I'll head over right now...

[ I would too, but it's a twelve-hour drive... -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????????? (Ross Reyes)
Subject: First Post - Cigar Smoker Looking for a Lost One

Hello Steve,

I have a request of anyone on the list.  I used to smoke a
little Honduran (I think) called a Florentine.  Every pay
day I'd go to the shop and pick one or two up.  They were
small ones and very mild.  Maybe four inch long and, oh, 5/8
inch diameter (I never can remember that ring size).

Well, one day, the shop stopped carrying them and I was out.  
Can't find them anywhere.  If anyone on the list might have 
heard of, or have any info on such a smoke, I'd really like 
to hear from them.  { ???????????????????????? }
Got to go.  Have a Romeo and Julieta No. 2 which needs my
Thanks for adding me to the list.  

Good smoking.


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From: ????????????????
Subject:       El Credito /Dunhill

I should take a moment to introduce myself.  My name is Doug Connolly 
and I've recently moved back to Madison, WI and once again have 
access to the digest.  My brother-in-law lives in Miami and is 
usually good enough to stop in at El Credito and pick me up a box 
when he visits.  I've enjoyed these cigars for a couple of years 
but have had trouble getting a hold of some of the larger sizes.  
I've also been told that they've raised the prices something like 40-
50%.  Can't blame for that though with the demand they must be 
experiencing.  Secondly, has anyone had the problem of entering a 
Dunhill, not dressed in a suit and being followed through the store 
and into the humidor? The clerk had never left until I made my 
choice.  Guess they think I'll be walking off with one of those 
$900 belts. Just kidding.

doug connolly

[ We've heard that was a problem with Dunhill... -S. ]

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From: "Stephan J. Jones" <???????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest

Steve, I'm writing to you because you seem to be the repository for
all pipe information!  I am 28 and have been smoking a pipe for a
whole 4 months now.  I got started mostly because I like the smell of
tobacco, hate cigarettes, and a pipe seemed to go well with my newly
grown beard!  I got started by checking out a number of tobacco shops
in the Hartford (CT) area.  I chose the smallest shop I found, where I
thought I could get some individual attention.  I walked in one sunny
afternoon and asked the owner if he could get me started pipe smoking.
He had me pick out a pipe first.  I chose a bent stem, mahogany
stained wood pipe for about $30.  He explained the benefits of a good
pipe, and commended my choice.  (I can't recall who made the pipe!)
He then got me the required accessories, and picked out a mellow blend
called "Nick's blend".  It smelled great.  He gave me a pamphlet on
how to light up, and I drove straight home to try it out.  I had some
trouble keeping it lit, but finally managed to puff steadily.  It
tasted great!  I had tried a few cigarettes before, and they were blah
compared to this!  My roommate said she didn't like the smell, but she
smoked up a storm from cigarettes, and those really don't smell right!
(She did admit later that she soon liked the smell of the tobacco.)
Anyway, I like to smoke a pipe every few nights or so.  I'm not
fanatic about it yet, but I do find it soothing and tasty.  I think
I'm ready to try a bolder blend.  Do you have any suggestions for a
popular blend?  I'm in Alabama now, so don't pick anything too exotic!
Thanks for your ear.

Sincerely,(smoke in peace!)

Steve Jones

[ A lot of mail-order dealers will be glad to send you a sampler pack
for a nominal price, Steve.  And, BTW, the repository for all pipe
information is not moi. Most likely it's Ben Rapaport. -S. ]

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[ Copped from sci.misc; it's a bit off topic, but I thought it'd be
relevant to the environmental tobacco smoke brouhaha.  If you write to
Mr. Laird, please give him some context.  -S. ]

From: ??????????????????????????? (Cameron Laird)
Subject: Strong words

What do scientists say when they get *seriously* angry?  In the
case of

	Abelson, Philip H.
	1995	"Flaws in Risk Assessments", Science,
		volume 270, page 215 (13 October 1995)

he chooses this closing:

	When scientists plan experiments, they seek
	to control the important variables and to
	achieve time-invariant reproducible results.
	Those at EPA [the Environmental Protection
	Agency of the USA] with the responsibility
	for establishing protocols for risk assess-
	ment experiments have acted as if they did
	not share these goals.


Here's a bit of the background:  Abelson is a Deputy Editor,
and former Editor-in-Chief (or whatever the title was at that
time) of *Science*.  He still returns from time to time to
write guest editorials, like the one cited here.  His writing
is, for my money, consistently strides ahead of that of any
other editorialist for the journal:  he is precise, he writes
about subjects that are important and interesting, he is hu-
mane, and he makes it clear when there's a bad smell in the
air.  In this case, his topic is "[c]hemical risk assessment
studies conducted with rodents", the words he chose to begin
his article.  The USA has spent "more than a trillion dollars
over the past 20 years" on such research, "although it has not
been shown that such studies have substantially benefited human
health."  There are a number of reasons efficacy deserves
scrutiny.  In this week's editorial, his concern is with "gen-
etic drift in the test animals and ... a failure to control
their consumption of food."
My point:  I recommend the editorial not only for its content,
but also as a demonstration that civilized speech makes an
even better weapon than the vulgar language and undisciplined
thoughts that so pervade NetNews.

Cameron Laird           http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/home.html
??????????????????      +1 713 623 8000 #227
                        +1 713 996 8546 FAX

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From: INFUHRER <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest and Europe


First, please apologize my poor english. My name is Claude 
Fuhrer and I live in Switzerland. I receive your digest since 
number 146, and I find it very interesting. Unfortunately, 
there not many informations about pipe smoking here in 
Switzerland and more generally in Europe. Therefore, I propose 
to start a little discussion about pipe smoking ressource in 

I don't know if it is the right place for such a annoncement, 
but if someone want to see my WWW page about pipe smoking, the 
URL address is :

If you have some questions or suggestion about this page, 
please feel free to send your comment to my email 

Thank you for your help.


P.S. If your mailing list is not the right place for such 
announcement, could please suggest where I should post it ?

[ The Digest is fine for your announcement, Claude! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????
Subject: Cigars in the Outer Banks

	I just returned from a weekend trip to the Outer Banks.  I
realized after I got there that I had forgotten to brink cigars, so 
I checked the yellow pages (James Earl Jones would have been proud).
There's a place in Nags Head called Island Tobacco on Mile Post 14 in
The Outer Banks Mall that fit the bill.
	It's a small place, about as big as the kitchen in my first
apartment.  Despite the size, it had a pretty decent selection of cigar
and pipe stuff.  I bought a Don Tomas Special #100 for four bucks and 
L O V E D it.  My father got a Macanudo Prince Phillip, and my buddy 
Jason got a box of Baccarat Churchills.  I understand that Island 
Tobacco also has a shop in Corolla, for anyone who stays in Duck or 
further up.  I believe they mail order, too.
	Take care...

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From: Bill Unger <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: OPC Show Dates

Steve, I'd like to get a correction on the 1996 swap/sell pipe show out
to you and all your readers.  In my report on the 1995 show, I gave a date
that later had to be changed due to events beyond our control.  But we now
have a firm date of Sept. 14, 1996.  In addition, Sept. 27, 1997, is the
scheduled date for the 1997 show.  1995 was a grand success, but we
promise that 1996 will be bigger (room for 65 tables) and better.  Details
will follow over the coming months.
We invite everyone to be there for a great time.  And anyone interested in
the Ohio Pipe Collectors, from anywhere in the country, should drop me a

If you've got one pipe, you're a pipe smoker.  If you've got more than
one, you're a pipe collector.
Bill Unger
Secretary, Ohio Pipe Collectors

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From: ?????????????????????????? (Claudio Feo)
Subject: PD chats

Hi Steve and friends !
It is been a pleasure to receive the PD . I am calmly waiting for the next ,
and enjoying the idea of an electronic sitting- room for pipe smokers'
chit-chats .
I spent week 41 and 42 in Danmark , together with my beloved . I don't think
there is another place in the world with so many and so visible pipe smokers
! Although I do not like the danish pipe blends ( too sweet and wet ) , I
enormously enjoy just the vision of so many people walking , working ,
sitting and drinking with a pipe as companion . It is curious and lovely
that lot's of shops in Danmark have combined sale licence to sell tobacco
and wine . Can you imagine  the  paradise those shops are  for me.......an
italian pipe smoker ?

I would like to say a couple of words on the prohibition debate .  I will
probably be provocative but I do not feel comfortable in joining cigarette
smokers in the counter campaign against smoking . I don't have anything
against cigarette smokers,  but   their addiction makes them fundamentalists
as fundamentalist is the nature of their smoking and as fundamentalist are
the campaigner against smoking in public places . Finally : fundamentalism
is the wrongest answer to itself !
I might be too confident ( or just living in Europe ),  but I believe that a
reasonable solution will be found to the problem respectful of everybodies'
phisical and psicological health . I shall add that I can still feel a big
simpathy and curiosity around  pipe smokers ( and keep in mind that my
Balkan is not exactly the sweetest blend one can smell !) .
No hard feelings just a provocation for some more chit-chat !


[ Claudio, I'm not sure what you mean by "fundamentalism" here;
perhaps you could explain? -S. ]

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From: Bill  Pickering <?????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest Article

I'm finally getting around to posting a vacation trip report.  I picked up
some nice estate pipes and found a new pipe shop for the resource guide.

I went back to Arkansas and Oklahoma (visiting relatives).  While holed up
in Little Rock, watching the wife doing some Olympic class jewelry shopping,
I figured I might as well get into the act.  Hauled out the Yellow Pages;
let's see... pipes, no... try tobacco... aha, here we are.  Off I go to a
place called, oddly enough, The Pipe and Tobacco Shop.

Walked in and was promptly amazed by the selection.  The first shop I've
seen clay churchwardens out on display.  They also had a nice Caminetto
with gold windcap and chain (looks like the one pictured on page 262 of the
second edition of Hacker's book) for a mere US$ 6500 (yes, that's four
digits before you get to the change).  Nice pipe, but just a tad out of my
budget.  Let's look at some estate pipes.

There were a dozen or so estate pipes displayed, and at very reasonable
prices, at least compared to Atlanta.  As it turns out, the shop refurbs the
pipes on site and perform repairs.  After prowling through the pipes, I
purchased three of them:  1) A small, smooth GBD bent bulldog.  Grain not
outstanding, but a nice patina and nary a flaw anywhere.  Age unknown.  2) A
smooth Comoy Dublin.  Again, no flaws; age unknown, but the lettering is a
different style than the newer ones.  3)  A small (4.75 inches overall
length), smooth, silver banded Barling straight bulldog.  Bowl rim is some-
what rounded from wear, but otherwise in outstanding condition.  Age
unknown; no shape number, the silver band has two sets of initials and
some other stampings on it.  I can also recommend their tobacco blend
_Sherlock's_.  Enough Latakia to bring a strong man to his knees. Sum
total for this expedition was just under $100.  I had almost that much
fun picking out the pipes.

On a local note, for those of us who live in the northwest part of the
Atlanta metro area, a new shop recently opened in Marietta.  Data follows.
I am also informed that a Tinder Box has opened in Town Center Mall, but I
haven't investigated.

___Resource Additions___

The Pipe and Tobacco Shop
2908 South University
Broadmoor Shopping Center
Little Rock, AR  72204
(501) 562-PIPE

Mail order also.

Cigar Villa
700 Sandy Plains Road
Marietta, GA  30066
(770) 919-0444

No mail order.

Sorry this has been so long.  Later, all.

Beware the fury of a patient man. - Dryden

[ Thanks for the additions to the Guide, Bill! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????????? (Chris Reinhart)
Subject: Logically Absurd Conclusions  Steve (et al),

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From: ??????????????????? (Paul J. Ste. Marie)
Subject: Escudo discontinued?

The rumor I hear from Ron at the Wharf is that Escudo has been discontinued 
and all the US suppliers are out of it.  Has anyone else heard anything 
about this?

        --Paul J. Ste. Marie, ??????????????????????, ???????????????????

Live in Ohio?  Help fight the Exon Amendment.  See 
http://www.erinet.com/pstemari/vtwcdaoh.html for details.

[ That's been a recurrent rumor, and as far as I know is without
substance. The 100 gram tins have been discontinued, but you can still
get 50-gram tins. -S. ]

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From: "Bum Bum"  <[email protected]>
Subject: Cigars

If anyone is interested in hand made Honduran cigars, please e-mail
Kele Owens at ????????????????????????? I can get large quanitities
with enough notice.

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From: ??????????????????????
Subject: PD tidbits

Steve --

A few tidbits for the PD........

1) McClelland does it again.  Many PDers are well-familiar with
McClelland tobaccos, either from their local tobacconist or from the
spelndid limited-production blends purveyed by Bob Hamlin and (the
late) Barry Levin.  Well, the original Ashton tobaccos are now being
produced by McClelland (and marketed by Holt's in Philadelphia).
IMHO, the McClelland versions are *much* better than the earlier
productions.  The "Celebrated Sovereign" (with Syrian latakia) is
especially good.

2) If ever there was any doubt about the value of "old" tobacco.......
While on a business trip last month in the UK, I visited a pipe/
tobacconist shop in Aberystwyth, Wales, and found a few tins of "old"
Rattray's.  I recognized it as "old" by virtue of two features: First,
the label was yellowed on one side, due to prolonged exposure to the
light -- having sat for a long time on the shelf.  Second (and more
importantly), thanks to the informative tutorial by Bob Hamlin, I
noted from the nomenclature on the label that it was at least 10 years
old. -- I just finished a tin of "Jocks Mixture" from the batch, and
it was a uniquely pleasing experience; such a nice Oriental taste,
nestled in a softly-rounded Virginia base.  Granted, "old" tobacco
is too expensive (when one can find it) for everyday smoking; but one
should treat one's self on occasion!

3) On that same trip to the UK (yes, I *did* get some business done
along the way!), I was in Liverpool for several days.  From a tip in
THE PIPE SMOKERS EPHEMERIS, I arranged a peronal tour of Ogden's/
Imperial Tobacco Co. -- What a fantastic experience!  BTW:  In 1996,
"St. Bruno Flake" turns 100 years old. (Look for something "special"
from Liverpool early in the year!)

(The trip to the UK ended in London -- with a pipe purchase from
Astley's [IMHO, the best pipe shop in London] and a slowly-embered
Cuban Hoyo de Monterrey Epicure #1 from James Fox/Robert Lewis.)

Puff, Puff,
Rick Welch

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Pipes - Get Together

Are there any pipe smokers in the St. Paul/Minneapolis area that would
like to meet once a month to smoke and talk?

Greg ????????????????????

[ Hope so, Greg -- please keep us posted! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: FDA regulations

Yo, Steve!

Just finished writing up the latest Southwest Pipe & Cigar League
newsletter.  In it I included a reminder about the deadline for
submitting comments to the FDA re. their proposed tobacco regs.  I'm
passing that part of our newsletter along to you and all of our other
PD subscribers.  The below excerpt contains important info, so PLEASE

BTW - just wanted to put in my vote of approval for the way the PDs are now
being distributed.  As an America OnHold user I find downloading the PD as a
file much easier (and faster) than the old e-mail method!


Steve J. (Briar Man)

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In the last newsletter I told you about the public comment period for the
FDA's proposed tobacco regulations.  This is a reminder that this public
comment period ends on NOVEMBER 9TH.  I also want to once again give you the
address where you can send your letters.  That address is:

Dockets Management Branch (HFA-305)
Food & Drug Administration, Room 1-23
12420 Parklawn Drive
Rockville, MD  20857

Last time, I mentioned a docket number that you need to reference at the top
of your letter.  There are actually two docket numbers, so please note the
following:  Docket #95N-0253-J refers to the proposal to regulate nicotine as
a drug and classify cigarettes as nicotine delivery devices for the purpose
of regulation.  Docket #95N-0253 refers to the FDA's proposed restrictions on
the sales, marketing and distribution of cigarettes.  I won't go into any
detail on what those proposed restrictions are, but if you've been following
this story in the news then you'll know that they're quite extreme.

There's something here that bears repeating.  Some of you may feel that the
FDA's actions are justified, and after all pipe tobacco and cigars are being
specifically exempted from the proposals - FOR NOW!  Regardless of whatever
feelings you may have about cigarettes, it would be naive to think that the
FDA will stop there.  David Kessler is a megalomaniac, and under his
leadership the FDA has expanded its power enormously.  Do they need any more?
 I don't think so, and when they level their sights on tobacco we had better
get very concerned regardless of whatever they happen to be going after
today.  To those of you who have not already written to the FDA I urge you to
do so RIGHT NOW!  Remember, the deadline is NOVEMBER 9TH!!  And don't forget
that you MUST reference the appropriate docket numbers at the top of your

Also - there's a congressman who wants to know what we have to say about the
FDA proposals.  His name is Bart Gordon (R - Tenn.), and through the American
Smokers' Alliance he has requested copies of public comment letters opposing
the FDA's proposals.  Congressman Gordon is vigorously opposed to what the
FDA wants to do, and we need to help him in his efforts.  If you have already
written to the FDA and you've kept a copy of your letter (or letters), or if
you haven't written yet, but are going to please be sure to send a photocopy
of your correspondence to :

the Hon. Bart Gordon
U.S. House of Representatives
2201 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C.  20515

While you're at it you should send a copy of your letters to our other friend
in congress, Tom Bliley.  His address is:

the Hon. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr.
U.S. House of Representatives
2125 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C.  20515

It is becoming apparent that should the proposals go through, the FDA will
face serious opposition from congress.  It is therefore VITAL for us to do
everything we can to stop the regulatory monster that threatens all of us, so

[ Thanks for the reminder, Steve!  I have written the FDA, and will
mail copies to Gordon and Bliley, as well as to the one local
congressbeing who will likely listen. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????????????????? (Dwayne Lively)
Subject: Cigar Dinner

Steve, etc.:

Here are belated congratulations and a belated report on the first ever
Cigar Dinner at the Peabody Hotel in Memphis. The dinner was held in the
posh Chez Phillipe Restaurant and featured a six course dinner, cigars by
PGC Hajenius and wines by Clos du Val.

The food was exceptional and ranged from Roquefort Laced with Potato to
Blackened Escolar on Carmelized Vidalia Onion Sandwich with a Melange of
Southern Peas and Ginger Beurre blanc to Smoked Baby Beef Tenderloin Breaded
with Grilled Vegetables on Smoked Arkansas Risotto. Each course was
accompanied by two wines--an 80's vintage and a 90's vintage--and the
dessert (Carmelized Pear under Kirsch Marinated Plum Salad and Grapefruit
Sauce) featured a remarkable California Brandy.

The cigars were delivered after each course and were a mild disappointment.
I mean this literally. They were machine made, short filler panatellas of
various sizes. The were mildly flavored and mildly spiced with faint
undertones of mildness. Still, they weren't nasty, just bland. So bland, in
fact, that a first-timer was on his sixth before someone told him he wasn't
supposed to inhale the smoke. He claimed to be woozy, but never got sick.
The best cigar was the last: the Hajenius Grande Finale #1. Medium flavored,
medium spiced, a pleasant after-dinner smoke. As we left we were given a
three pack of these to take home.

All in all it was a great night, although the Peabody has a few
organizational quirks to work out--for example, not having the first cigar
ready when we  entered, and not stopping us from therefore pilfering cigars
from the large humidors they had apparently intended to give away in a
drawing. Still, I'm looking forward to the next dinner, which will hopefully
take place in December.

The Peabody, by the way, is cigar friendly all the time. I recommend
plopping down on one of the sofas in their lounge, ordering a
single-malt--or the aforementioned brandy--and lighting up a Churchill. No
one will even look at you funny.

Give 'em hell.


***Wonderful coffee. Meal in itself.***
                     ---Willy Loman 

[ Too bad about the cigars, but the meal sounds like it was not to be
missed!  Does Congressman Gordon ever drop by? :-) -S. ]

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From: ??????????????? (Steve Beaty)
Subject: Cornell and Diehl online.


        as a first step, Craig Tarler sent me Cornell and Diehl's list of
fine tobaccos.  i put it up at:


        Craig tells me that he's getting his own Web page in the near future
so we'll have to watch for that...

Steve Beaty                                                   ???????????????
Hewlett-Packard                               ???????????????????????????????
Fort Collins, Colorado, USA            http://www.lance.colostate.edu/~beaty/

[ Thanks for the note, Steve!  BTW, it used to be the case that 50
percent of all CPU cycles were spent in news readers; now I'm sure
they're spent in Web browsers :-) See below for some more news from
C&D;  to be fair, other vendors are free to announce here, within
reasonable limitations of taste, length, and frequency. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????? (Craig Tarler)
Subject: C&D News


Will you please run this in PD if it's not too commercial. Tnx. Will
understand if you don't.

The following blends are now offered in one pound pressed blocks (the way
tobacco was sold 100 years ago) at a $2 per pound premium: #414P, #531P,
#965P and #967P. Putting tobacco under high pressure mingles the oils and
flavors, making the smoke smoother and removing the sharp distinctions
between tobaccos.

In addition, we have a new blend in pressed form only, #967PV, Bromley's
Best. This is a combination of #967 with a small amount of #414 added to cut
the heavy Perique in #967. The blend was named in honor of Dr. Ray Bromley
who suggested it and who contributes so much to our discussions.

Cornell & Diehl has been building a new "tobaccery" (and home) and we will
be moving in the middle of December. Therefore, we will be closed from
December 12 to December 26 inclusive. We will accept orders during this time
for shipment December 27 and later. Orders received before January 1 will be
honored at the current prices.

In addition, there will be a price increase January first to $14.75 per
pound. This is the first increase in 2 years and we just can't continue to
absorb our costs. Shipping may go up, but not unless UPS makes its usual
annual increase more than last year. We'll try to hold the line on that.



Let me not to the true marriage of pipe smokers and their tobacco admit

Most men live lives of quiet desperation -- Thoreau

[ I'll risk publishing it, Craig... best of luck in your new location! -S. ]

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #202 -- October 29, 1995
  2. Subject: Ghost Storyteller Secret
  3. Subject: An introduction
  4. Subject: Cuban
  5. Subject: A question or two, or three
  6. Subject: Tobacco Tavern
  7. Subject: Re: I'm a knothead
  8. Subject: My 1st Pipes Digest Reading
  9. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #201 -- October 15, 1995
  10. Subject: Tight fisted smoker
  11. Subject: Cigar Parlour
  12. Subject: First Post - Cigar Smoker Looking for a Lost One
  13. Subject: El Credito /Dunhill
  14. Subject: Pipe Digest
  15. Subject: Strong words
  16. Subject: Pipe Digest and Europe
  17. Subject: Cigars in the Outer Banks
  18. Subject: OPC Show Dates
  19. Subject: PD chats
  20. Subject: Pipes Digest Article
  21. Subject: Logically Absurd Conclusions Steve (et al),
  22. Subject: Escudo discontinued?
  23. Subject: Cigars
  24. Subject: PD tidbits
  25. Subject: Pipes - Get Together
  26. Subject: FDA regulations
  27. Subject: Cigar Dinner
  28. Subject: Cornell and Diehl online.
  29. Subject: C&D News
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