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Subject: Pipes Digest #212 -- March 14, 1996

		 Pipes Digest #212 -- March 14, 1996
	     Copyright (C) 1996 by Stephen P. Masticola.
	   All rights reserved. Commercial use prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 2051

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Another milestone in the Digest's history: we're now _well_ ahead of
the 2000-member mark, and still growing!  Thanks to all who've made
the Digest the colossal behemoth juggernaut it is today! :-)

And speaking of (possible) colossal behemoth juggernauts...

[ASTRONOMY] I know that many members are forced to smoke outside (and
indeed, in the next century, we may be the only people who still _go_
outside at all.)  So why not make the best of it?  While you're
outdoors, watch for a new comet, named Hyakutake, which is scheduled
to appear very bright and large in the evening skies later this month.
Who knows, it may make up for Kohoutek, Halley, et. al.!  You can
learn more about it on the Web page:


Lest you think this is too far off topic, also check out "The Stars: A
New Way To See Them" by H.A. Rey.  The constellation Bootes
(Herdsman), which is visible in the Northern Hemisphere sky now, is
depicted sitting and smoking a pipe.  As Rey says, it's "a sensible
thing for a herdsman to do."  And a fun read!

[PROHIBITIONS] And, if you thought the anti-tobacco jihad was bad, you
ain't seen nothing yet!  Even more scandalous is the suspectedly
Illuminati-run Committee to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide:


But, while you still can, why not join us with a smoke and a glass of
vintage dihydrogen monoxide, as we search for stray comets...

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	    Help Stop Prohibition  --  Keep Tobacco Legal

		      Call  --  Write  --  Vote

			Then, smoke in peace.

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From: "schier" <???????????????????>
Subject:       Re: My Previous Posting - Ser Jacopo

[ From the last issue:

> The only question is, how badly did I get ripped off by buying a Ser
> Jacopo Delecta with silver band and spigot for 360$ (1,690,000 rubles,
> for anyone who follows Russia)? What is the going price for such a
> pipe in the US or Europe?

And I had asked whether it was new or estate. -S.]

The pipe in question was new. The same price is charged for a Peterson
straight grain w/ silver spigot.


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From: "A. W. Donovan-Shead" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Smoke Signal #21 [PIPE]

Smoke Signal #21

Saturday, 24 June 1876, General George Armstrong Custer
arrived at the confluence of the Big Horn and Little Big Horn
rivers in the Montana Territory. Custer was leading the vanguard
of troops under command of General Terry; the main body was due
to join Custer on the 26th. Intelligence reports spoke of the
presence of a small force of Indians, to which Custer responded
by divided his command into three parties that moved forward, on
the 25th, to encircle the enemy. Surprised by a force much larger
than expected, Custer led the two hundred and twenty-six men of
the center column into the thick of battle. Custer, the Little
Big Horn, and the rest are history. They knew news of victory in
Indian communities in all directions, long before it reached the
ears of the European settlers. Indians of the plains used the
smoke signal to exchange messages across long distances, a series
of long and short puffs. On a clear day they could hear for

Friday, 10 November 1995, was a clear day; one of those days
on the Southern Plains typical for its bright light, clear skies
of pale blue, cool still air, and winter vegetation of sepia
tinted hues similar to the colors used on the Dunhill Christmas
card; a day on which Smoke Signal Nineteen rose into the vault
above, its message read and understood by David Webb,
representative for Alfred Dunhill Pipes Limited in London. Mr.
Webb sent me E-mail to let me know that Dunhill now owns Parker
and that we can have pipe cleaners direct from Dunhill in London.
Sometime later, the noon stagecoach brought me a packet of fifty
cleaners, accompanied by a Christmas card from Mr. Webb for
Dunhill, and a request that I confirm they still work as they
always have. Here is my assessment of Parker's Conical Pipes
Cleaners as made in England today.

Upon inspection, the Parker cleaner of today is clearly a
fraction of an inch longer than the cleaner of old. I am in the
happy situation of directly comparing old and new. The nap of the
old cleaner is of slightly better quality, it is a trifle denser;
the nap on the new cleaner is not quite as tightly bound. I can
say that the new cleaner has the required stiffness of character
to pass the steck-test in triumph. Overall, Parker's Conical Pipe
Cleaners continue to clean as they did, although I would like to
see a return to the restful nap of old. I have some of these old
cleaners that I will be glad to send to Mr. Webb, so that he can
see for himself.

A footnote: In Digest #211, Mr. De Luca reported having a Parker
pipe with a broken stem. Dunhill own Parkers and should, therefore,
be capable of making repairs to these pipes.


[ A smoke signal that's news we can use, Andrew! Thanks! -S. ]

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From: Sergio Iannini - SFI/Avirnex Communications <???????????????????????>
Subject: Carnaval in Brazil & Pipes

        Hi Steve,
        Now I am back from my 10 days vacation in Brazil.
        I visit Espiro Santo State and the beach of Conceicao da Barra and
Vila Velha where I was in the Brazil's Carnaval.
        Conceicao da Barra has a lot of people this time.
        Vila Velha is great. A lot of sun.
        100% recommended. And I travel testing my new Opel Astra, smoking a
Captain Black Gold & Savinelli, listening Rush, Bob Marley, Led Zepellin,
US3, U2, Madonna & Legiao Urbana, with my girls and my brothers from

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From: Matthew Leingang <??????????????????????????????>
Subject: I heard a rumor


Your latest issue of Pipes Digest reminded me of something I heard from a 
friend of mine who just got back from Chicago.

Cafe Ba-Ba-Ree-Ba, that great Lettuce Entertain You tapas bar in Chicago, 
has added a smoking lounge.  Apparently, they sell a small number of 
cigars (of good variety with respect to price and quality), for smoking 
after your excellent meal along with your cognac.  I'm telling the PD 
crowd in case anyone in or visiting Chicago would like to check it out.  
I'll have to enjoy it vicariously; I moved from Chicago to Boston this 
year (the winters are better but the basketball worse).  So even though I 
can't recommend it, not having been there since the cigar room opened, I 
will definitely say go for the food.

While I'm at it, there's a club called "Drink" in Chicago (Hmm...I wonder
what goes on there?) which last year added a smoking lounge in their
basement.  It was very well decorated, but a little trendy.  Cigars in
their humidor were (quite) overpriced, more than you'd expect, but there
is a well-stocked bar in the room.  The manager of the joint says Michael
Jordan frequents it, but I'll just pass that on without comment... We had
a meeting of the Chicago Cigar Internet GRoup (CCIGR) there last year, and
it was fine.  I'd only recommend it for gatherings were most bring their
own stogies. 

Just thought I'd pass those along.  Keep up the good work, Steve. 


Matthew Leingang		617/495-2171
Harvard University		?????????????????????????
Department of Mathematics	"Insert pithy quote here."

[ Sounds great, Matt!  CA is right; Chicago is the most cigar-friendly
city in the US. -S. ]

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From: Neil Johnson <??????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996


Its time to order seeds if you haven't yet already.  I've been growing
tobacco for 5 years now. Its easy, and it grows just fine anywhere
you can grow tomatoes. BTW, I just discovered a tobacco seed company
on the net. Big selection of seeds. I Can hardly wait to try some new
(to me) havana varieties. Check it out.


BTW, I've had very good luck growing Burley. Grows big & fast (I'm in
Massachusetts), very large leaves, smooth smoke and good for chewing
also. Also Jasmine is one of the best for show & sweet scent (but it
didn't smoke as well as the Burley). I've grown may other varieties

I know its gonna be the best year ever for my home grown hand made
cigars (pipe filler too). 

Neil Johnson

[ Indeed, the SBE page is a major asset to those who wish to grow
their own. BTW, I've started some flowering nicotiana for the garden
(probably not smokeable, but in keeping with the spirit.) -S. ]

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From: John Tolle <?????????????????????????????>
Subject: pipesdigest addition

This is an addition/continuation to my mail to you yesterday for the
digest. Hope it still fits, as I lost contact and could not get back on.
It concerns my "impossible request" to locate two Charatan freehands that
I sold through Barclays in Columbus, Ohio about 3 years ago over the
Christmas holidays. My hope is that some reader will recognize the criptic
descriptions I give of them and get hold of me. Who knows, stranger things
have happened. Anyhow, to continue: both of the forementioned pipes had
unstained, "broken rough briar" to the bowls, bowl thickness on both were
about 1/2 " with inside diameter 1-1 1/4 ". Both had freestyle
bowls that were larger at top than the bottom and perhaps2-2 1/2 'high.
The smooth finish on the straght one was slighly darker than the smooth
finish on the curve. These particular pipes have personal memories for me
and I would be quite willing to repurchase or trade other Charatans, etc
for them. In any case, if the curent owner reads this, I am sure he/she
will remember them just by the location and circimstances of purchase.
Much thanks for any efforts and for the job you are doing with the Digest.


[ Good luck on recovering your pipes, John! -S. ]

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From: Christopher D Hamsher <????????????????>
Subject: hooked on Prohibition

Dear Steve,
	I'd like to see a shred of reason in this puritan wasteland.   
Could you send me Charles Whitebread's speech?  


	Also, I think the time has come to give the digest some  
structure.  I know this will be a major chore, but better now than  
later.  By structure I simply mean: a definitive policy concerning  
advertisement, scrapping some of the boring stuff, and dropping the  
cigar smokers--even at the risk of offense.  It is clear you've been  
thinking about this.  

	Although I am an consumer purist (my only submission has been  
a call for localized, qualitative tobacco commerce) I think  
advertising would be *gasp* NICE.  Descriptions of blends or pipes by  
manufacturers would be extremely informative--so long as the  
solicitations are personalized and fit into the flow of discourse.  A  
general stipulation to this effect would be satisfactory for me, and  
I think other militant anti-corporate pipe smokers would agree.   
Anyway, something to think about--thanks for your time.

Yours truly, Chris Hamsher 

[ Speech sent, Chris.  Re cigar smokers: they have always been welcome
here, and will always remain so.  Re advertising: I think the existing
policy works pretty well; the problem was that it had been a while
since I'd read it. :-) Re "the boring stuff:" it's a big group, and
what's uninteresting to one member may be fascinating to another. My
advice is just to skip forward to the next line of ASCII pipes if
you're not interested in a particular article.  Thanks for your
comments! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????? (MICHAEL WACHS)
Subject: Re: Laws

Hi again-

I was wondering what the natonal and state(Arizona) tobacco laws are.
		       I just don't dig swine
				    -Samuel L. Jackson

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From: Brandon Rottinghaus <?????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996

Steve + Fellow Pipe Smokers:

My English 250 Honors class at Purdue University is currently reading Moby
Dick by Herman Melville.  I thought I'd share a specific passage with
you all to let you ponder some classic American Literature while you puff
quietly on your pipes...
	"How now, this smoking no longer soothes.  Oh, my pipe!  Hard
	it must go with me if thy charm be gone!  Here have I been
	unconsciously toiling, not pleasuring, -aye, and ignorantly
	smoking to windward all the while;  to windward, and with such
	nervous whiffs, as if, like the dying whale, my final jets were
	the strongest and fullest of trouble.  What business do I have
	with this pipe?  This thing that is meant for sereness, to send
	up mild white vapors among mild white hairs, not among torn
	iron-grey locks like mine.  I'll smoke no more-"
			-Captain Ahab

Interesting, huh.  Mail me if you want to discuss it further.  Puff in
	-Brandon Rottinghaus

[ Also see "Typee" for more of Melville on pipes. -S. ]

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From: Patrice Lewko <??????????????????????>
Subject: RE: Pipe situation in France

Cogolin is in Provence, so that seems to be the good place to go. In =
fact, it is the home of the Courrieu pipes. I think it is the only "big" =
pipe manufacturer outside of Saint Claude. They have a shop in Cogolin =
42 and 58 avenue Clemenceau (phone 94 54 63 82) where they make the =
production and another one in Saint Tropez: 25  quai Gabriel-peri =
(Phone: 94 97 00 91).

Clay pipes are manufactured by Gerard Prugnaud. rur Cantonar at Saint =
Quentin-la-Poterie (phone 66 22 00 64). It is in the Gard =
"d=E9partement" in southern France but west of the Rhone river. the =
pipes are beautifully sculpted by hand.

Otherwise, in Paris I would check:
A la pipe du Nord:  21 boulevard de Magenta (phone: 42 08 23 47)
Gilbert Guyot: 7 Avenue de Clichy (phone: 43 87 70 88)
A l'Oriental: Arcades du Palais Royal (phone 42 96 43 16)
All three manufacture their own pipes

Patrice S=E9bilo in western France near La Baule is unique because his =
pipes are made out of fossile wood (the "mortar"). 16 av de la Monneraye =
at Herbignac (phone: 40 88 98 08) but then it is not at all in southern =

Please check before going as some information may not be up-to-date.

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From: Scott Steiner <???????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996

Greetings fellow smokers!

Alright...  I notice many PD members drop a note when they are soon to be 
going abroad.  I am heading off to China, the city of Tian'jin (about one 
hour Southeast of Beijing.)  I wanted to know if any Digest members have 
visited this country, and if so, if China has anything interesting 
available in the way of pipes.  I read that China produces more than half 
of the world's tobacco, and has more smokers than the U.S. has people, so 
I'm sure that pipe-smoking is probably a part of their culture.  Anyway, 
any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks!

Scott Steiner
Irvine, CA

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Pipes Newsgroup

Hello,  My name is Barbara and my internet address is:  Ms ????????????
I would love to a part of your Pipe newsgroup!   I am a cigar smoker...my
favorites are macadunos and partagus.  I am still learning the different
types of cigars and I hope this my help me.   I am actually attending my
first cigar dinner next week and I am thrilled.  Being a woman, cigar smoking
is something I do in privacy for the most part and not in public, so it will
be nice to attend this gathering and light up in front of all!
Thank you for including me!

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From: Denis Lessard <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re:Tivoli

Few years ago --15 about-- we had in Canada a tobacco commercialised as
Royal Tivoli as brand name. Do you know if it is always existing... 
Denis Lessard
874 Rochette, Ste-Foy
(418) 688-8781 res.
(418) 643-3879 bur.
E-Mail ????????????????????????????????

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From: ??????????????????? (Patricia K. Christiansen)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996

I am enjoying the PD digest and have gotten a lot of good info. on place to
find good cigars and info. on pipe smoking.  I smoke both.

I have had a similiar experience here in Vacaville, CA  that some of the
other writers have about unfriendly shop owners or clerks.  The local on
here keeps trying to do a hard sell on the most expensive products he has
and when I went to the shop to buy a pipe, he did everything he could to
discourage me from smoking a pipe and encourage me to buy some cigars.
Mind you I love the cigars, but I wanted a pipe.  He even made comments
that pipe tobacco was very dangerous and I should not smoke it.  I have
decided that even though the shop is convient, I will not frequent it any

Most shops are very helpful and friendly and luckily I haven't had any
experiences of being discriminated against because I am a woman.  Although
when my husband and I go into a shop they always offer to assist him and he
tells them that I am the cigar/pipe smoker.  Then they assist me.  Also, in
one place they asked me what king of cigar my husband wanted.  They never
did that again.

Thank you again for the wonderful digest, I always look forward to getting
it each week.

Pat Christiansen
Vacaville, CA
e-mail: ??????????????????????????
wwwpage:    http:/ community.net/~patkc/index.html

[ Thanks for your letter, Pat! And on the Ye Olde Pipe issue, see Ray
Bromley's and Joyce Perry's notes below. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shoppe

Dear Steve and fellow Digesters,
     In issue #210, Jason C. Helmick wrote a very emotional submission 
regarding the inattention his wife recieved (sic) while visiting Ye Olde 
Pipe and Tobacco Shoppe in Phoenix.  I can understand his anger over the 
matter, and I believe that it is unfortunate that his wife had to wait 
ten minutes before receiving attention while other (male) patrons were 
waited upon.  I was not present in the shop during his wife's visit, nor 
do I know Mr. Helmick or his wife (I will take his word that "she's the 
best"). However, I am very familiar with the shop in question, and 
believe that Ms. Helmick's experiences are certainly open to 
interpretations other than "discrimination." 
    I have visited over one hundred pipe and cigar stores, and have yet 
to encounter one that is more oriented to the customer than Ye Olde Pipe 
and Tobacco Shoppe.  Regarding women customers, I can report that in the 
scores of times I have visited, I have never observed the employees 
ignore female customers, fail to answer their questions, or wait on male 
customers in preference to female ones. In fact, I have often wondered if 
there was "discrimination" in favor of women customers, as the treatment 
of lady customers is quick, courteous and (if I may say) chivalrous.  I 
have sent my mother and sister to the store to make purchases on my 
behalf, and they have always reported a pleasant shopping experience.  I 
personally know of at least two female pipe smokers who frequent the 
      It is true that when the store is VERY busy (as it always is on 
Saturdays in the winter), customers who have already made purchase 
selections or who have regular standing orders that merely need to be 
picked up are waited upon ("checked out," if you will) before customers 
who will require greater attention.  This sort of customer triage, which 
is obviously an expedient, sometimes occurs when the number of customers 
exceeds the number of people working in the store.  When this happens, 
customers looking for pipes are invited to look around on their own , and 
return to the counter if they have any particular questions.  This 
invitation can be made because EVERY new pipe in the store is available 
for examination by the customer without asking for a counter person's 
help (a policy that is rare these days).. All of the pipe display cases 
can be opened by the shopper and the pipes handled and examined by the 
customer.  This is true even of the high-grade pipes.  In a sense, the 
shop is self service for pipes.  Some patrons (such as myself) enjoy the 
opportunity to "graze" and drool over the briar, but some customers 
prefer to visit the store when it is less busy so that they may be waited 
     Since Ms. Helmick's visit to the store was on a winter's Saturday, I 
think it is quite possible that she misinterpreted what happened to her.  
Based on my own experiences with the shop, and my familiarity with the 
people who work there, I have NO DOUBT that this is so.  While I do not 
think that Ms. Helmick's experience should be ignored (I am certain that 
she would receive a heartfelt apology from the shop's owner for her long 
wait), I think that it is emotion rather than evidence that leads Mr. 
Helmick to characterize it as discrimination. 
     You, Steve, can, of course, put any notation or comment in the 
resource guide that you wish.  I do suggest that one, single isolated 
case warrants at least the phrase "one alleged episode" somewhere in your 
remarks.  I also suggest that you seek comment from Joyce Perry before 
inferring that the reason for her decision not to give you the address of 
YOP&TS for the guide was because they discriminated against her (PD 
#207); she did not give you the addresses of the other stores in Phoenix 
either, just the phone numbers.
   Personally, i wish to recommend Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shoppe to all 
of the Pipe Digest readers, regardless of their gender, and to their 
spouses, sweethearts, and families as well, without regard to sex, race, 
creed, or national origin.  The store is a real tobacconist shop, and 
everyone who works behind the counter KNOWS tobacco, cigars and pipes.  
They don't sell cute novelty items.  I think I saw a mug on sale once 
there, but that's about it.  Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco carries the widest 
range of name-brand pipes in Arizona, and has one of the largest 
high-grade selections in the U.S., including Ashton, Dunhill, Castello, 
Savinelli Autos, Willmer, etc.  The store has won numerous local awards 
as the best smokeshop in Phoenix. I do think that they discriminate 
against minors, but only in the sale of tobacco products; you can buy as 
many pipe cleaners as you wish regardless of your age.
     By the way, I have no interest in the store except that of a very 
satisfied customer. In my opinion, Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shoppe is the 
finest smokeshop in the U.S.  

-Ray [:-?    
(Dr. Ray Bromley)
aka ?????????????????
aka ?????????????????

[ You may well be right, Ray, especially given Joyce's letter
below. -S. ]

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From: "Joyce Perry"  <????????????????????????????????????>
Subject: Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shop

  I finally got around to reading issue 210 of PD this week, and was puzzled 
by Mrs. Hemlick's experience at Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shop here in Phoenix. 
I have shopped there for nearly a decade and have never had a negative 
experience with the personnel, their attitudes, or their helpfulness. In fact, 
this shop was mentioned at out monthly meeting of lady cigar smokers last week 
as a "favorite" of many of the women in attendance.
  While I do not in any way discount her feelings, let me assure Mrs. Helmick 
that her experience with Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco does not reflect either the 
attitudes or treatment that I have experienced. Over the years, Rick Hopkins 
(owner) has proved himself to be a man of honesty, integrity, tact and 
sensitivity. It is my opinion that his employees also reflect these qualities.
While I admire the defense of your delightfully thoughtful wife, Jason, I wish 
you would have given them a second chance, or at least written them a personal 
letter before deep-sixing them publically. 
  Also please find attached my comments on Ye Olde posted to you in December 
of last year.
Joyce Perry

[ Most of the comments deleted to save space; they're in Pipes Digest
#207, which was sent on January 4, 1996. -S. ]

  Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shop (602 955-7740) is a father-son operation 
that's been around for years. Rick Hopkins maintains a large and varied 
selection of cigars, pipes (new and estate) and RELEVANT smoking accessories. 
He and his employees are extremely knowledgable on all aspects of smoking and 
tobacco, and take great delight in teaching rookie smokers the art of pipes 
and/or cigars.

[ Given your and Ray's commendations, I'm going to delete my
cautionary note in the Guide.  It may well have been some reason other
than prejudice that caused Mrs. Hemlick to be treated with less than
the best care (especially around the seasonal madness in December.)
Not having witnessed the incident, I can't pass judgment, and would
not want to prejudice others.  Readers should judge the shop for

Also, for the views of another woman pipe smoker (though not
specifically on Ye Olde), see Pat Christiansen's note above. -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????? (Ed Price)
Subject: Petersons

I recently tried to contact Peterson through the address listed in thee
guide.  Much to my dismay, the letter was returned, marked GONE AWAY.
Does anyone have a current address for Peterson in Ireland?  Or an
address for Hollco Rohr?  Thanks for the good work you do, its always a
pleasant surprise to find the latest issue of the Digest in my mailbox.

Ed Price

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From: Bill Unger <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Clay Portrait Pipes for Sale

Steve, I received the following letter from Mr. Ernst Muller, along with 3
color phots, each showing 16 pipe heads: "I have a large collection of
pipe heads that were dug up in Usslar, Germany.  They were manufactured in
the 1800s, and the factory burned in the 1800s.  The factory was very
famous for manufacturing pipe heads that were exported all over the world.
 There are different samples of heads of famous people.  For example, we
can read on one President Washington and on one President Frank. Pierce. 
I would like to sell these, so if anyone is interested, please make me an
offer."  Mr. Muller can be reached at 11840 N. E. Sacramento, Portland OR
97220; phone 503-253-9102; fax 503-284-6392.

If you've got one pipe, you're a pipe smoker.  If you've got more than
one, you're a pipe collector.
Bill Unger
Secretary, Ohio Pipe Collectors

[ I have a feeling these won't last long... -S. ]

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From: Richard Padilla <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes and tobacco shops, Richmond, Va.

Dear Steve and Fellow Pipe-Fans:

Does anybody know shops for tobacco and pipes in Richmond, Va. area?

Do you have a tobacco shops Directory ?

thanks ...

Richard Padilla.

[ We have nothing in Richmond itself in the Resource Guide, though
several other shops in Virginia are listed. Your best bet would
probably be to contact Valts (????????????) of the Conclave of
Richmond Pipe Smokers (CORPS) for some specific information. If you
don't have the Guide, let me know and I'll send you a copy. -S. ]

From: ????????????????? (Louis F. Carbone )
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996

Hi Steve,
    I just wanted to take a few moments to thank you for the Digest.  I 
really enjoy its contents.  I will have to take some time to write in 
more detail some time soon.  I only have a computer at work so time is 
short.  Keep me on the list please.  Looking forward to the NY Pipe 
Show on Sat. 3/2.  Will you be there ?  If so let the Sailorman 
introduce you to the group, I would like to meet you.  By the way how 
is Elias ?  Is he still working in NJ ?  Hope to see you at the show 

Louis F. Carbone

[ Phone numbers deleted. -S. ]

PS.:  I am only now able to print the digest because of a new printer 
at work that is a low traffic printer, so I have been taking advantage 
of it by printing the complete run of the digest, that's why I'm asking 
about guys like Elias and Bill Thacker, are they still around ?  I 
haven't found there writings yet, I'm up to #41 right now, besides the 
more current ones of course. the earlier ones ask the question, what 
happened to Bill, and I was just curious about Elias.  I applaud your 
efforts toward our beloved pastime.  I'll write more about myself and 
pipe experience soon.   

[ Elias is still on the list, after shifting jobs for a while, and
writes in occasionally.  Bill Thacker's mail started bouncing with
"User unknown" a couple of years back, and I never heard anything more
from him.  If anyone has more information, I'd appreciate
learning. -S. ]

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From: ????????????????? (Louis F. Carbone )

Hi Steve,
    Welcome to Monday and the daily grind once again.  However, today I 
can reflect on pleasant memories of Saturday.  I had a great time. I 
wound up staying until around 6pm, just as most started packing their 
wares.  It was a real pleasure to meet you.  It was funny, I walked up 
to the folks at Fine Old Briars to put my name on their mailing list 
and whose name do you suppose was right above mine, well, yours.  So, 
at that point I knew you were in attendence, now I just had to locate 
you.  That was easy, just ask the Sailorman.  You, by chabce just 
happen to be standing at his table and voila, we were aquainted, just 
like that.  It was that kind of thing that makde this show a great one. 
 I enjoyed the fellowship with fine friends who I've met at the last 
three shows and it's good to see them comming back each year.  I 
applaud all who contributed and organized the show. 

    Did you see the mention you received in the premier issue of, Pipes 
& Tobacco p.13 ?  Not bad at all, Steve, keep up the great work, we 
appreciate it.

    I bought three great pipes this year along with a bunch of tins of 
tobacco.  I managed to pick up a nice Castello 4K "Castello" and a nice 
Dunhill Danish Style Shell from Bob Hamlin.  I was also looking for my 
first Pre-trans Barling in a bent shape, which I found at another 
table, I forget the gent's name.  It's small but it will at least 
initiate me into the Barling mystique.  It was great seeing old freinds 
like Nikos Levin, who is one of the most sincere and genuine gentlemen 
that I have the privelage of knowing, as well as Tom Colwell, Rich 
Esserman, Sam and of course Sailorman Jack.  What would a show be 
without his great voice as MC ?  There was even a table taken by the 
guys from Puff-n-Stuff located in Flushing ,Queens which is pretty 
close to my neck of the woods.  I missed seeing Joe Nastri of Trinity 
East from Rockville Center.  He's a great guy and a good friend who I 
have the privelage opf seeing from time to time.  He, also is one of 
the most sincere and kindest gentleman that I have the privelage of 
    As you can tell, I had a great time !  I had better get to work now 
and let you go as well.  Hope to be hearing from you soon.  Keep up the 
good work and I'll be looking forward to the next issue.

Your friend,

Louis F. Carbone/NY

[ Personal note deleted. -S. ]

When I can I'll write about how I got started on pipe smoking.  

[ It was a pleasure to meet you, Bruce (below) and all the other fine
folks at the NYPC show, Louis! (Acquired a Ser Jacopo briar calabash
and a Kirsten; love the calabash, but can't honestly say I'm crazy
about the Kirsten.  But we'll give it another try now. And for ten
bucks, what the hey?)

We did indeed see the notice in P&T, and have subscribed for two
years.  Hope to see you at future NYPC shows, Louis!  -S. ]

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From: Bruce  Harris <?????????????????????????>
Subject: New York Pipe Show

     It was a real pleasure meeting you yesterday (March 2) at the New York
pipe show at Newark airport. For the first time, I sat behind a table and sold
some of my pipes. I made a couple of bucks and  managed to pick up 2 pipes: a
very nice Ashton  (canadian shape) and a beautiful smooth finish Caminetto. As
usual, though, one got away. I had my eye on an unsmoked  Becker. I thought
about it too long. When I went back to the table, it was gone. 
     I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has Caminettos with the
Ascorti/Radice stamping for sale. Thanks.  	

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From: ???????????
Subject: Any good pipe shops/pipe smoking spots in Long Island, NY?


I have been receiving Pipes Digest for about a year and a half, but
haven't really kept up with it since I graduated from college this
past May.  I never introduced myself to the list, so I guess now is as
good a time as any to do it.

I graduated from Cornell with a B.S. in biological
sciences/physiology, and will be attending medical school this fall.
I have smoke pipes and cigars on and off for about four years.  I have
two inexpensive pipes which hold more sentimental value than anything
else, and have smoked mostly mild Virginia and aromatic blends.  I
have tried Dunhill's Standard Medium Mixture, but only like to smoke
it once in a while.  As for cigars, my one and only is Nat Sherman's
Host selection, which I usually find to be quite mild and sweet.  I
have tried to find a similar tasting cigar, but have had no luck so
far; perhaps someone could recommend a mild, sweet cigar which is
relatively common at shops.  Since I have been back home, I haven't
really enjoyed a good bowl for lack of a suitable place to light up (I
am unable to smoke at home).

I had two questions that I hope someone would be able to answer.
First, where could I find some good pipe shops which have quality
tobacco blends on Long Island, and second, are there any good
restaurants, bars, or other establishments which are conducive to
pipe/cigar smoking on Long Island?

I appreciate the great job Steve has done with the Digest; after a
couple of hundred editions, he still finds the time to comment and
give advice on nearly every posting.  PD has added greatly to my
enjoyment of pipes, as it is my only link to the advice of more
experienced pipe smokers.  Keep up the good work, Steve!

Tom Zimmerman 

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: introduction etc...

Here is another introduction.  I began smoking a pipe about 8 years ago.  I
was at a friends house, he had a small Petersen system pipe and I asked him
to tell me about it.  I had never smoked anything much less been around pipe
smoking.  He said that he like to smoke on cold winter evenings by the fire.
 However, this was in Houston Texas and cold winter evenings only happen a
few times a year.  My couriositiy was sparked.  The next time I was at the
mall I went into the pipe shop and bought a small sandblast Petersen system
pipe and some aromatic tobacco.  

I really enjoyed pipe smoking right from the start.  I got some good
information about the art of proper pipe smoking so I usually didn't have too
many problems.  I would occasionally buy cheap pipes and suffer the results a
few times then give up on the bad pipes.  My mother went on a trip to England
and brought back two pipes for me, one CAO mearshaum carved head and a Danske
Club Danish Briar in sort of a calabash shape.  These pipes both smoked
great.  Unfortunately I lost the mearshaum at some point moving from city to

I moved from Texas to Boston to go to music school.  During my time there I
did not smoke my pipes much at all.  There was a good pipe shop in Cambridge
MA called "Earlich" or something like that.

When I finally moved to Berkeley CA a couple of years ago, I took up the pipe
once more.  The best thing that happed however was that I started to
experiment with tobaccos.  Up till that time I just smoked the same kind of
aromatic vanilla-type tobacco in bulk.  I was in a mood to try something
different so I bought some virginia pressed flake type tobacco called "London
Press" from Drucure &Sons Ltd. pipe shop in Albany CA.  What a difference!  I
instantly knew that I had not really been experiencing real tobacco flavor
before with the aromatics.  This virginia was quite strong but the taste was
great and it seemed to get better as I smoked to the bottom of the bowl.  I
bought an English blend called "No.2131" from "Grants" pipe shop in San
Francisco.  I love the aroma of the English blends but I'm not always in the
mood to smoke them.  I found the english that I have smoke quite cool and dry
but I find that I gravitate toward the virginia side of things more often.

The best thing about pipe smoking around the S.F. Bay Area is the "Schmit's
Pub" or just the "Pub" in Albany CA.  This is truly a smokers haven.  The
place is an old house on a nice commercial street "Solano Ave." that has
English beers and ales on tap and in bottles, serves wine, espresso and sells
estate pipes (large selection - including Petersens) and pipe tobacco.
  There are three rooms the living room chairs and tables and lots of books
and magazines to read.   Pipe and cigar smoking is practically encouraged and
the Bay area Pipe club meets once a month on a sunday afternoon.  There are
also alot of cigarette smokers and their smoke does bother me but I can't
complain.  I really can't smoke my pipes at home so the "pub" is a great once
or twice a week treat. 

Here is a list of my pipes and tobaccos that I have now or have tried.  I
would like suggestions on what other tobaccos people think I might like.


1. Petersen system standard sand blast 313 -  my first pipe and probly my
favorite, smokes well and I love to take this one hiking in the mountains
with me.

2. Danske Club Danish Briar in sort of a calabash shape- this pipe is the
biggest one in my collection.  It's a sit down pipe for me 
3. Petersen system standard  304 - this pipe is reserved for English style
tobaccos, it has a flat bottom so it can sit by itself (ugly but practical)

4. Andre small straight apple shape briar - a California maker that I got for
only $25 from the "Piedmont Tobacconist" in Piedmont CA.  This is one of my
favorites,  It is very light, even for it's size and just simply has a great

5. Irish Second (Petersen second) straight billiard shape - the largest bowl
of any of my pipes.  For some reason the cake has built up better (more even)
on this pipe than the others.

I only smoke two or three times a week so each pipe gets ample rest.


1. "London Press" from Drucqure & Sons Ltd. in Albany CA - dark pressed
virginia , great flavor but a little strong for me sometimes, bites a bit if
I smoke it too fast.

2. "Virginia Light"  another pressed virginia from Druquers but lighter and
mellowed in taste.  The owner recommended it to me as an alternative to
"London Press"

3. Mac Baren Roll Cake De Lux - the only tin tobacco I have ever tried.  I
wanted to try a roll (twist) tobacco and I love this one.  I reads on the tin
"A de luxe roll-cake pipe tobacco of medium strength.  A blend of twisted
Virginia, Cavendish and perique tobaccos.  A precious mild pleasure."  I love
this tobacco, It has the natural flavor of virginia but it a slightly sweet
fruity aroma.  This is my favorite tobacco so far and I am really looking for
ward to trying more tin-tobaccos.  That's why I need recommendations. 

4. Grant's No. 2131 - an English blend, the only one I have ever tried.  I am
learning to enjoy it but I am more often in the virginia mood.  I think that
is is probly a medium strength english, the others in the store had a
stronger aroma.  I would like to try some more english blends.

5. Mate's Aromatic Blend - from Mates pipe shop in San Francisco.  The shop
keeper said that this house blend is really not an aromatic be cause there
are no flavorings added to it.  It does however have a vanilla aroma but a
very light one in the back ground and not at all like the aromatics that I
used to smoke.  This tobacco smokes quite well, it it very mild and I never
have to re-light it.

Well that all the tobaccos that I have tried I would like recommendations on
what people might think I would like.  My favorite store to window shop for
pipes is Sherlock's Haven in San Francisco.  They have many different tin
type tobaccos and I can't wait to try more.

Well I guess that's all for now.


Morris Acevedo

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From: Chet Gottfried <?????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

Hi Steve,

I've been having something of a game with Mark Tinksy, which I
mentioned in the alt newsgroup, but which is progressing much better
than I ever anticipated.

It began with my trying to teach myself Ray Dream Designer (aka RD Studio),
a 3-dimensional design-painting program.  Normally, after whacking away at
tutorials, I like to begin with something I personally find interesting.

So I designed a pipe.  I didn't think too much of my first attempt, but Mark
found it interesting, asked for additional views, and the short of it is
that I wound up with a great looking pipe (big!  but smokes nice).  (The fun
of 3D rendering is that once an object is designed, it can be presented at
any angle or in any light or in any anything.)

That encouraged me to try a second, then a third.  By the time of my fourth
pipe, I finally figured out how to get the grain moving in the right
direction and a stem with a proper airhole throughout.  Of course, Mark was
also gaining and passing me by.  Not only was I doing a lot of additional
rendering I never expected, but I also got a pipe he called driftwood (after
a person in CA who thought of the original), which is more or less what the
pipe looks like.

Let me tell you, rendering "driftwood" with its multitude of driftwood
effects and holes is something for Advanced Rendering 1001, which I'll
probably put off for a few months at least.

In the meantime, I've struck back with a shape I haven't seen before: a
Grecian pipe--I call it the pipe of Ulysses, since if he ever smoked I'm
sure he'd like it. :)  The front resembles that aspect of a Grecian galley:
a forward prow.

For anyone interested, the sequence of designs begins at


and continued through to  3d5.htm

I've also included two photographs of Mark's versions of his subsequent
pipes on 3d.htm and 3d3.htm.


Look Out: http://www.asb.com/usr/chet/

[ Chet, I've seen the results, and they're impressive.  3D modeling
may just become a new trend for carvers. -S. ]

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From: Bradly Richards <???????????????????????????>
Subject: a new guy

howdy steve 
i want you to know how much i have enjoyed the digest. i have two questions
for you:
1. i have been buying cheap-o pipes (dr.grabow and a few italian seconds...
good pipes around $20-$30), and i am wondering what makes a $75-$150 pipe
better? what shoulld i look for in a good pipe? what names should i keep an
eye out for? i am a fairly new pipe smoker who is in love with it. i am in
need of your wisdom.
2. i often times enjoy the experience of a clove ciggarette, is there a
clove tobbaco for pipes?
is there any way to get the same flaver without having to go to a ciggarette?

thanks for your time

bradly w. richards

"Honey, just because i dont care   
                                     dosn't mean i dont understand..."
                                                     -Homer J. Simpson

[ See Jeff Jewell's letter below on Dr. Grabow vs. high-end pipes.
Having no experience with cloves other than on a Sunday ham dinner,
I'll leave question 2 to the other members. -S. ]

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From: Jeff Jewell <?????????????????>
Subject: A PD submission

To paraphrase Sami:
#include "both_steves_work_greatly_appreciated_by_all.h"

My question for everyone relates to what Al Baier (??????????????????)
wrote, among other notes:

>A subscriber wants to know if there's a difference between his Dr. Grabow
>drug store pipes and more expensive ones. He then goes on to answer his own
>question, perhaps unknowingly, when he complains about the moisture build-up
>and "gurgling" sound when he smokes his Dr Grabows. The difference of course
>is that the cheap drug store pipes are made from the interior of the briar
>burl which is dense and relativeatly grain free.Consequently it doesn't
>absorb moisture like the outer surface of the burl (plateau) which is
>lightweight, porous and beautifully grained. It's the latter that's used for
>more expensive pipes and as any seasoned pipe smoker will attest, well worth
>the extra price.

Now, read on with an open mind and understand that I don't intend to raise
doubt about what Al says, and in fact would kind of like someone to confirm
it.  Right now, I just do not know what to believe yet:

I would like to think that what Al says is true, because I have a devil of a
time with this problem.  I would like to find some way to enjoy my smoking
without having to deal with the melodious twitter that emanates from the
small frog pond that forms in the bowl whenever I smoke tobacco that isn't
cracklingly dry.  If that means buying a particular kind of pipe (expensive
or not), I'll do it--

Until now, the only advice that I've been able to find useful was that of
Paul Spaniola in Flint, Michigan.  He and he son, Dan have been smoking
pipes for over a hundred years between them (no kidding).  They claim that a
pipe does not need to be "rested", as is commonly advised.  They say that
you can smoke the same pipe all day long if you like, but you do need to let
it cool before you reload it.  Dan says that he keeps two pipes around
during the day in the shop there, and he switches back and forth.  This is
as close to "rotating" his pipes as he comes.  They say that the "pipe
rotating" myth comes from pipe salesmen.

But they are both real proponents of keeping pipe cleaners handy and
swabbing the stem down to the bowl a couple/three times while smoking.  I
don't know...maybe they make more money on pipecleaners than they do on a
good pipe ;)

Anyway, the Spaniolas were extremely helpful, good people.  I highly
recommend anyone in Flint, Michigan to brave the city streets down to their
shop.  It's truly a unique experience that you won't find just anywhere.  Be
very nice, and you'll get a personal tour of the pipe museum--a tour that is
different for everyone that gets to see it because what you see depends on
what Paul decides to pick up and talk about.  Nearly every pipe in there has
a great story behind it.

But back to the gurgling issue-- What Al said does sound like a plausible
explanation, and in fact would answer my old, ever present question, "What
is really going on when a pipe is 'resting' ?"  Maybe a pipe needs to "rest"
because it simply takes time to dry out--and good briar really does have a
good absorbent quality and ability to soak up and dry up an infinite number
of times.

Al, where did you get your information on that?  Or does anyone else have
any other comments on the subject?  As I said, I'd like to beleive that the
answer to my problem is simply to get a good quality pipe, and I'll always
have a great smoke.  Until then, I'm finding that I simply have to let my
tobacco dry out quite a bit.  It's a fine line, though, between dried out
just enough for proper tamping, and tamping it only to find tobacco dust
left waiting to be lit.  <sigh>

Looking forward to hearing more input on this subject.

Drying out in Washington
Jeff C. "Charlie" Jewell

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From: "William S. Leichtman" <???????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996

[ Note on Casillas Cigar from PD #211 deleted. -S. ]

Hi Steve,
This is my first attempt at writing to a mail group so I hope you will be
understanding. After reading the above article I called the company and
spoke with Mrs. Casillas(Maria?).She was a delight to converse with, both
courteous and informative. I ordered a box of Corona Longs and they arrived
in two days by Priority U.S. Mail. I and a couple of friends smoked some and
all agreed that they were very good. They smoked smooth with no bite, and
had a pleasant aroma. I believe they are well worth the money and will order
more. One small negative, the cigars are not packed very tight and smoke a
little fast, but NOT hot(IMHO). One other item, the Blue Ox Cigar Society of
Oscoda meets every Tuesday at 6:30 PM in the Toby Jug. If any members happen
to be in Northeast MI, E-mail me and I will happy to give directions. Maybe
we can even get in some fishing. My finger is getting tired, so thanks for
the digest and happy smoking.

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: pipes in movies

Enjoyed the digest for the past few months and thought I would contribute a
little information. In #210 and #211 a few people mentioned pipe smoking in
the movies. I just  wanted to tell everyone interested about an old movie
staring Cary Grant and Melvin Douglas, "Mr. Blandings builds his dream
house". Both gentlemen smoke a pipe continuely through the movie and just
about everyone else does too. It is a comedy about a family building their
first house and all the problems they encounter. The carpenters, painters
even the well digger are all puffing on a pipe. It is a very entertaining
 movie and a joy to watch everyone with a pipe, smoking when and where they
like. Certainly makes you aware how much things have changed. You can catch
the movie on cable on AMC or TNT.


[ Indeed.  Great movie for pipe smokers (though not necessarily for
someone contemplating the construction of a house!) -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????? (Antoinette Ponzo)
Subject: Pipe Digest

[ Message posted from this account for Mr. Jude Rennolds. -S. ]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for sending me the digest.  I have enjoyed the readings.  I have 
a question?  (keep in mind that I am blind)  How can I light my pipe 
without scorching the edges?  I have tried everything I can think of.  
When I am at home I use matches, bowl straight up.  I touch the tip of 
the match to one side of the bowl inside and puff and bring the match 
around following it around inside the bowl.  When I am out, I use a 
Zippo.  I have a lot of facial hair so I have to tip the bowl down and 
to the side so I wont burn my hair.  I dont't like butane lighters 
because thy burn too hot,  and I can't control them like a Zippo.  Have 
any suggestions?  Thanks again

[ I really don't know, Jude.  Perhaps it would help to fill the bowl
only partially, and use the rim to guide the match.  Are there any
other blind members who could help? -S. ]

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From: John Martindale <??????????????????????>


I would like to thank you for the digest!  I have read most of the
issues and greatly enjoyed them.  As for myself, I have been smoking a
pipe on and off for about 3 years and this is my first contribution to
the digest...

I prefer the classic English pipes in the billiard shape.  My collection
is equally split between sandblasts and naturals. I own about 25 pipes,
including a very nice Boer calabash and a few clays.  I also own several
Ashtons, Dunhills, and Ferndowns.  The Ferndown is my favorite pipe
because I believe that Ferndown offers the highest-quality English pipe
for the lowest price.  Your readers need to know that Iwan Ries has a
decent inventory of Ferndown pipes and has a continuing close-out sale
of these pipes for just $75 to $100 each.  These are beautifully made,
really excellent smoking pipes at ridiculously low prices.  If you are a
pipe smoker looking for a high-quality, English hand-made pipe, look no
further.  I have purchased three Ferndowns myself from their Chicago
store and each has quickly become a treasured possession.

With regard to pipe tobacco in general, IMHO, pipe tobacco (especially
aromatic mixtures) seems to require a minimal amount of humidification. 
I have found that most of the mixtures I purchase are either completely
dried out or completely over-humidified.  It seems that pipe tobacco
absorbs moisture like a sponge, making it easy to over-humidify the
mixture.  And, if the mixture is too wet, keeping the bowl lit is next
to impossible.  But how much moisture is enough?  Take a large pinch in
your hand and sift the leaves through your fingers.  There should only
be a slight (hardly noticeable) amount of moisture in the leaf.  When
you pack and tamp your bowl, there should be a very definite "springy
feeling" to the mixture.  If the mixture is not very "springy," the leaf
is over-humidified and will not smoke well.  Purchase a pouch of Carter
Hall or other "drugstore" brand and you'll find that these mixtures are
sold in sealed foil pouches that initially, have a near perfect amount
of moisture:  not bone dry, yet far from damp.  For my tastes, unlike
cigars, I feel it is better to maintain pipe tobacco more on the dry
side than the wet side.

With regard to specific blends and brands.  On the aromatic side, I like
Iwan Ries' 3-Star Blue and their China Black Fire-Cured mixture.  3-Star
Blue is cube cut so it stays lit very easily.  Also, it seems to have a
small amount of Latakia, which is nice.  Its great aroma matches its
taste (which seems to have a very slight trace of licorice).  The 3-Star
blends are certainly unique in that they really do "straddle the fence"
between aromatics and English blends.  The China Black brands are
probably one of the best buys in aromatics.  J-R Cigars (800-JR-CIGAR)
was recently selling the China Black blends for $5/pound!!  I also like
Erinmore Flake, Captain Black (white pouch), and the tremendous Danish
offerings from Finck Cigars in San Antonio, TX.  Carey's Cinnamon and
Raisin blend is nice also.  I too have experimented with Cornell and
Diehl's blends, but I was somewhat disappointed.  The blends I sampled
(100, 300, 414, 700A, 712, ) all shared a common bland taste and their
room aromas imparted a simple tobacco, almost cigarette-type smell in
the air which my wife absolutely hated.  I'm not saying that I think the
C&D blends are bad -- they are just not my cup of tea.  I can say that I
was quite impressed with C&D's service and their friendly owner, Craig. 
On the English side, I prefer Dunhill's Early Morning Pipe and
(especially) Rattray's Highland Targe.  Both are fabulously-light blends
that burn dry all the way down and taste the same at the end as the
beginning.  Great stuff.  Finally, I think that Finck's Istanbul blend
offers slightly fuller taste, is also very mild, and is considerably
cheaper.  Highly recommended!



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From: rich reitz <???????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest

Hi Steve: I was beginning to think I was one of the last pipe smokers
until I received your Digest. It's GREAT!
I have a few questions which I just have to ask, since I have no one
else to ask.....
I used to smoke a tobacco called Escudo. They have disappeared totally,
I believe they went bankrupt. They were an English Company...Is there a
tobacco that even comes close to Escudo, that I can purchase? I miss
this tobacco beyond words. I have yet to find anything like it. Why was
it so unique?
Also questions in the Digest regarding the inhaling of Pipe Tobacco....I
inhale my pipe tobacco, not constantly, but usually after first lighting
up, and maybe once during a smoke. I have done this for 30 years. Also,
regarding cigarettes, I find it absolutely impossible to inhale
cigarette tobacco, and I've tried. It makes me very dizzy, and causes me
to become nausious. There is definitely something vicious in cigarette
tobacco that is not in Pipe Tobacco. My body tells me this. Also, I
never cough from pipe tobacco, but find the sensation of inhaling it
delicious. Sorry to say this, but it's the truth for me..
Also, has anyone ever heard what happened to all the mid-priced Danish
Pipes, such as Jost. Have they gone bust?
Rich Reitz

[ Pittstown?  I learned to fly gliders at Sky Manor!  Re Escudo,
Cornell & Diehl has a duplicate mixture, and I vaguely remember that
there may be other duplicates. -S. ]

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From: Betty Mains <????????????????????>
Subject: Caminettos

There Back....I saw the first of the new Caminettos the other day and they 
are great. Understand the youngest Ascorti--son grandson--is making them. 
The new dear I saw was a much deeper relief and beautiful. There are some 
more traditional shapes which were not seen much in the past. Pipes 
unlimited is the new distributor, sorry I don't know where they are located 
maybe Steve can help. Steve I enjoy the pipes digest very much and for some 
reason failed to get my last copy but keep up the good work I'll get it 
somewhere on WWW if I have to. I work in the Pipe shop I worked in 27 years 
ago and think it's a great retirement job, at least until the little old 
ladies put our pipes out.    See Ya! Phil

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From: "KUBASKA MARIAN" <??????????????>
Subject: My pipes.

     Dear Steve and coleagues,
     At first, let me thank You for your great work and interesting reading.
     I am 27 years old male - pipe smoker for 5 years. What bothers me is the
     fact that I can not get any closer information about some of my pipes - I 
     acquired from my grand father. May be someone from this group will 
     provide information. All of this set of pipes are bryars (probably 
     not younger than 30 years) of following trade marks: 
                 Windsor,Chevron,Belami,Monte Bello.
     Also, I bought myself Italian pipe Aldo Morelli one year ago. Can anyone 
     tell me wether this stuff is considered good or not in more experienced 
     circles. I personaly tend to appreciate cool smoke of Belami and Windsor.
     I would like add my point of view to discusiion wether filter pipes are 
     worth smoking or not. I guess that filter pipes are better for 
     unexperienced pipe smokers ( they are able to absorb the leak), but for 
     the experienced ones will appeciate "convensional" pipes for their 
     straight taste.

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From: ????????????? (John Colt)
Subject: Subscribe to Pipe Digest

Hello Steve, tried to subscribe via the WWW page but my mail choked, so am
'winging it' with eudora so this may not be the correct format.

Prefer larger briars with a vanilla cavendish.  AM in the military and with
the new rules they are somewhat rabid about smoking inside so my normal
nicotine fix during the day is via cigarettes.  Do look forward to that
commute home -- get out of Detroit traffic and then have a half hour of
'calmness'.  All this talk of keeping a pipe lit doesn't apply to me -- one
match and I'm going -- just have to worry about smoking to fast...I guess
too much living in the fast lane.
Several years ago I put my pipes up, and just like any other endangered
species, the local tobacconist went out of business.  Hoping to find some
tobaconnists in the Southeast Michigan area via the Digest.
Now I'm back and trying to get away from the demon cigarette...be retiring
from the military soon and hoping the life style change will help.
Thanks for the web page...been reading thru (and enjoying) the back issues.
When I was going to college in Brooklyn (late 60s) seems there was a pipe
shop on every other corner.  Spent lots of time in Harry Gyers shop...times
have changed...thanks again...john

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From: Craig Tarler <???????????>
Subject: Swan Vestas Are Back!

The first shipment of Swan Vestas is in the US and currently clearing 
customs (03/13/96). I have been allocated 36 cartons of 24 boxes each. 
More will come from further shipments.

I am accepting orders for delivery in 2-3 weeks. Price will be $8 for a 
carton of 24 boxes,plus $3 shipping and handling unless part of a 
tobacco order (except trial pack), then it will be $.50. Please limit 
your order to one carton. Orders will be filled on a first come first 
served basis


<A HREF="http://www.tacoma.net/~pipes/candd.html">for Cornell & Diehl 

[ Very good news for Vesta (match) fans, Craig! -S. ]

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From: Mike McCain <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Re:  Collecting article

		      Starting a Pipe Collection
			     Mike McCain

Rule one: you must spend a great deal of money to develop a good pipe
collection.  Rule two: you must own a lot of pipes to have a
collection.  Rule three: you must possess "collectible" pipes to have
a collection.

Although you may have heard them before, not one of these statements
is true.  They're myths, not rules.  In fact, many pipe collectors
take great delight in proving that exactly the opposite can be true.

A collection can be based on any concept you choose, limited only by
your desire and imagination.  It can focus on Kaywoodies, patent
Dunhills, Upshall billiards, Becker sandblasts, bent bulldogs,
freehands, Christmas pipes, meerschaums, clays or anything else you
want.  All collections have one thing in common, however...instead of
unstructured accumulations of pipes, they are assembled with a
specific intent or purpose in mind.

"So what," you might respond, "I'm a pipe smoker, not a collector."

But it's possible that you really are a collector, albeit
unintentionally.  For example, if you tend to buy some pipes over
others because of a particular make you prefer, you're beginning a
brand-name collection.  If you seek out mostly rhodesians or Oom Pauls
or any one particular style, you're starting a shape collection.  If
you primarily look for pipes having a common theme or distinctive
feature, you've begun a motif collection.

Why not concentrate your pipe purchases around such a preference from
now on?  As you become a collector with an intentional focus, you can
avoid frustration, save money and have more fun in the process.

Getting started in this hobby of ours seems easy enought, just find a
place that sells pipes, pick one which appeals to you and buy it.
Most pipe smokers begin this way.  I did, too.  I bought my first pipe
in 1967 and it didn't take long for me to invent an incredible number
of excuses to justify getting more, either from a tobacco shop,
through the mail or at a pipe show.  If I saw it, liked it and could
afford it (and sometimes when I couldn't) I impulsively bought it,
irrespective of brand, shape, size, finish or any other special

After a while, though, I found I was acquiring and smoking certain
pipes exclusively.  All my others were gathering dust and I was
getting no enjoyment out of owning them.  Does this sound familiar?
Thus do pipe collections often begin.

An understanding of HOW to start a collection must include the WHY and
the WHAT of collecting.  To these ends, we need to ask ourselves what
we expect out of a pipe.  I think most of us will agree that pipes can
be expected to perform as many as three roles: they're for smoking,
stroking, and selling or swapping.  The degree to which your
particular expectations are fulfilled will determine your level of
enjoyment and affect what you choose to collect.

Above all, pipes are made for smoking.  Think about what you smoke
most often.  Do you prefer the comfort of vulcanite stems, smaller air
holes, classic shapes and the taste of oil-cured briar, as
characterized by major English brands?  Or do you like the durability
of lucite mouthpieces, larger air holes, more "stylish" shapes and the
taste of air-cured wood typical of Italian pipes?  How about the
artistic qualities of Danish freehands?  Or do you primarily enjoy the
absorbency and beauty of meerschaums?  The smoking characteristics of
a canadian, for example, versus a bent apple?  The feel of a deep
sandblast, as opposed to the visual delight of birdseye grain?  If you
depart very far from your preferences, your expectations may not be
fulfilled and you ultimately could be disappointed.  Collecting
minimizes this risk.

Some pipes are made to be stroked.  You'll occasionally see those rare
pieces with carving so magnificent, or grain so straight and tight, it
brings you to your knees.  More than just smoking instruments, they
are sculptures, works of art.  There are those which literally are
pieces of history, as well.  It's difficult to fire up a stroker.
Invariably, they cost a lot more than the day-to-day smoker.

That brings up their third role: pipes can be sold or swapped.  What
is a fair price for a particular pipe?  If pre-smoked, how does its
condition affect its marketability?  Is it in demand; can you trade it
for another of equal value?  If you (or your estate) must sell it, how
much of your investment will be returned?  Some enthusiasts are able
to fund acquisitions for their collections through prudent and
informed swapping, buying and re-selling at a profit!  At the very
least, if you're knowledgeable and careful about what you're
doing--which are virtues of collecting--you won't take a financial

A pipe must fill at least one of these roles, or you won't be happy
with it.  Ideally, it will fill two.  If it fills all three, ah,
that's the stuff pipe dreams are made of.

Knowing what to collect is problematic, according to one point of
view, because there are so many options.  From another perspective,
deciding what to collect is as simple as concentrating on what you

Brand-name collections have been built around Dunhill, Parker,
Barling, Charatan, Ashton, Comoy's, Baldi, Castello, Caminetto,
Radice, Ascorti, Amorelli, Jacopo, Larsen, Preben Holm, Stokkebye,
Kaywoodie, WDC, Edwards, Butera, Frey, Peterson, Tsuge, meerschaums
carved by Beckler and Sabri, and many more.  Collectors of a
particular brand usually will try to get different shapes, sizes,
finishes, grades, periods of production and limited editions.

Shape collections can focus on canadians, bulldogs, billiards,
dublins, pokers, lovats, pots, princes or any other style that's made.
Too, there are collectors who prefer only freehands.  The objective
here is to obtain a representation of different brands.

Motif collections have included egg-in-claw carved meerschaums,
giants, gadget pipes, carved heads, pipes carved in the shapes of
flowers, those carved with a "dripping wax" finish, pipes with bamboo
shank extensions, Christmas pipes and erotic meerschaums, to cite only
a few examples.

Many collectors concentrate even more specifically, such as on GBD
Uniques, patent Dunhills, Dunhill's shape 120, Dunhill ODAs,
pre-transition Barlings, Sasieni Dovercourts, Castello Greatlines,
Savinelli Autographs, Gemline Jacopos, Caminetto New Dears, Ben Wade
Danish Hand Models, pre-WWII briars, pre-Republic Petersons, pipes
made in the USA and English tan sandblasts.

Some collect by type of material other than briar or meerschaum, like
clay, porcelain, corncob, pyrolitic graphite, cherrywood, hickory,
olivewood, rosewood, bone, antler, ivory, stone and metal, or by
origin, such as African, Asian and American Indian pipes.

Contrasted to contemporary pipes, collecting antiques is a specialty
unto itself with its own opportunities and pitfalls.  A great tutorial
on this subject is the book, A Complete Guide to Collecting Antique
Pipes (now out of print) authored by Ben Rapaport.  More about Ben

Now, for these reasons, and with these kinds of alternatives, how do
you go about starting a pipe collection?

Here's one way to begin.  Spread all your pipes across a table and
pull out those you like the best and smoke most frequently, the ones
you automatically turn to in good times and bad.  In all probability
they will be similar in some fashion, be it brand, shape, finish,
tobacco chamber geometry or whatever.  These will form the nucleus of
your collection.  Also, pick up the ones having a lot of sentimental
value to you.  These are keepers, too.  Unload everything else; you
weren't enjoying them much anyway, right?  Do some swapping if you
have the opportunity.  Then, sell the rest individually or wholesale
them all at once, to generate funds to buy more pieces for your new

Going through the same excercise I quickly grabbed those pipes I used
constantly, which were of the same brand, had the same tobacco chamber
taper and the same air hole diameter and which, therefore, smoked
similarly.  I also kept that first pipe I bought and, fearing a fate
worse than death if I let it go, the one my wife gave me for a wedding
present.  All the others I wholesaled to a pipe dealer.  Admittedly,
sending them off was scary at the time, but in retrospect it was the
smartest thing I've ever done in this hobby.  I had not been enjoying
them, and by turning them into quick cash I was able to buy pipes that
have given me both pleasure and value.

The next steps are visualizing where you want to go with your
collection, determining how much you can spend on it and setting your
goals accordingly.  If you have chosen a certain brand, learn about
its shapes, finishes, size and grade designations, and nomenclature
and logo variations.  Budgetary realities may cause you to focus on a
particular grade or finish of that brand.  If you've selected a
specific shape to collect, find out what companies, present and past,
either make or have made it.  To economize, you might decide to obtain
pieces from just one country of origin initially.

Know the difference between the asking price and the "street cost" for
new and used pieces.  With few exceptions you'll get what you pay for,
so go after the best you can afford within your collecting preference;
quality is more important than quantity.  Although quality doesn't
always have to be expensive, it's a good idea to maintain a
descriptive record of acquisition prices, replacement costs and
related facts for insurance and estate purposes.

Some collections aren't affected one way or another by finances,
they're created by necessity.  A good example was my dad, a pipe
smoker for more than fifty years.  When declining health and a
partially paralyzing condition confined him to a wheelchair, all his
priorities changed.  He needed a rough-finished pipe that was easy to
grasp and it had to have a super thick stem and bit, among other
attributes.  The one pipe that filled all his needs was the Savinelli
Estella.  Out went the Dunhills, Charatans, Comoy's, Caminettos,
Petersons, meerschaums, etc. and in came the Estellas.  Due to his
physical limitations, his pipes were one of the few joys he had left
in this world and he pronounced his collection as perfect, each and
every pipe being exactly what he wanted.  He wished every pipe smoker
could be so fortunate.

No matter which route you take, remember to focus on your preferences,
have a strategy for attaining your goals and be selective.  Don't
amass pipes at random, or you'll end up back where you started.

There are numerous guides to hasten your collecting journey.  Computer
users with a modem and enabling software have quick access to a
variety of on-line pipe information resources, but it seems redundant
to list them in this forum.  You also can subscribe to the increasing
number of pipe-related periodicals available via snail mail, such as
A&M Gazette (47758 Hickory, Apt. 22305, Wixom, MI 48393) and Pipe
Friendly (J. Galloway Company, P.O. Box 13781, Torrance, CA 90503).
Send Tom Dunn a donation to receive The Pipe Smoker's Ephemeris, and
contribute something extra to get his Directory of Members' Collecting
Interests (20-37 120th Street, College Point, NY 11356).  Mail Ben
Rapaport of Antiquarian Tobacciana a dollar for a sample copy of his
newsletter and list of books and other relevant literature for sale
(11505 Turnbridge Lane, Reston, VA 22094-1220).

If you're lucky enough to have a good tobacconist nearby, take
advantage of it.  However, many of us have no choice but to patronize
mail-order firms.  Among those which regularly send out color photos
and descriptions of new and used pipes for sale are the Pipe
Collectors Club of America (P.O. Box 5179, Woodbridge, VA 22194-5179),
NML Pipes Direct (12159 Cuddington Court, West Palm Beach, FL 33414),
Aroma's (4936 Windsor Hill, Windcrest, TX 78239) and Edward's (338
Spanish Village, Dallas, TX 75248).  PCCA is an active participant on
the Internet; NML is well-known to on-line pipe enthusiasts, too, as
is Marty Pulvers (Sherlock's Haven, One Embarcadero Center, San
Francisco, CA 94111) with their WWW pipe offerings.  Moreover, NML,
Aroma's, Edward's and Sherlock's buy quality used pipes and
recondition them for resale.  Send a descriptive list of your unwanted
pieces to get their cash offers.

Finally, go to pipe shows; you won't believe the wonderful time you'll
have.  From all these sources, and others they will lead you to,
you'll gain knowledge, find trading partners and have great
opportunities to view and obtain pipes for your collection.

On the other hand, maybe you have absolutely no intention of spending
money on long-distance phone calls, postage and travelling to distant
tobacco shops and pipe shows, looking for some elusive pipe to fill a
gap in a collection.  It might be that you're perfectly content with
everything you have, thank you, and all this nonsense about collecting
seems kind of silly.  Or perhaps you have no desire or need to
self-impose any restrictions whatsoever on your pipe choices.  If
you're happy, that's what counts.  There are no rules dictating how to
enjoy our hobby, and doing your own thing is what this is all about.

But those of us who are collectors know what it is to experience the
fun of The Hunt and the thrill of The Find.  We help one another
achieve our respective collecting goals, swap on a handshake and make
lifelong friends along the way.  We smoke and/or stroke every one of
our pipes.  We're proud that our collections are more than just the
sums of their individual components.  We're preserving a bit of
culture and history in what we collect.  And in doing so, we become
more knowledgeable and careful about the pipes we're acquiring, thus
protecting our investments in them.

As you light another bowl of tobacco, think about what pipe you might
acquire next and your reasons why.  Although an accumulation of pipes
can offer a great deal of pleasure, a lot of us believe that a
collection of pipes can provide even more.

(Note: This article originally appeared in the Fall 1993 issue of
Tobak News & Views, published by Pipe Collectors International.
Copyright 1993 by PCI, 338 Spanish Village, Dallas, TX 75248.  It was
updated and uploaded by the author with permission of PCI.)

[ Many thanks for the reprint, Mike! A couple of the addresses weren't
in the Guide; they are now. -S. ]

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Quote of the Week:

"Cigars and pipes were not found by the FDA to be a part of this... I
try to set a good example. I try never to do it where people see."

				- William Jefferson Clinton
				  President, United States of America

				  (when pressed for a pledge not to
				   smoke his cigars. See Mike
				   Twaddell's note in PD #211 and

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #212 -- March 14, 1996
  2. Subject: Re: My Previous Posting - Ser Jacopo
  3. Subject: Smoke Signal #21 [PIPE]
  4. Subject: Carnaval in Brazil & Pipes
  5. Subject: I heard a rumor
  6. Subject: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996
  7. Subject: pipesdigest addition
  8. Subject: hooked on Prohibition
  9. Subject: Re: Laws
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996
  11. Subject: RE: Pipe situation in France
  12. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996
  13. Subject: Pipes Newsgroup
  14. Subject: Re:Tivoli
  15. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #211 -- February 125, 1996
  16. Subject: Ye Olde Pipe and Tobacco Shoppe
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