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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Pipes Digest #224 -- October 1, 1996

		 Pipes Digest #224 -- October 1, 1996
   Copyright (C) 1996 by Stephen P. Masticola. All rights reserved.
	       Commercial use of any part of contents,
	      including email addresses, is prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 2471

Welcome to new members:

	Robert Fischer
	Jorge Garcia
	Jim Roe
	Matt Price
	David C.C. Sprague
	Brian Donnelly
	Bill McClelland
	Peter D. Smith
	Amanda Bouchard
	David Prince
	Mel Schilling
	Nathan Meyer
	Paul L. Marciano
	Carl F. Avari-Cooper
	Mattias Lindstrom
	Delbert Baker
	John F. Pipkin
	Michael Wong
	Ryan Prince William The III Kegerreis
	Sean Fowler
	Seth R. Wyland
	Charles R. Dever
	David Davis
	Bjorn Henriksen
	Mark M. Osowski
	Mitch Simmosn
	Bruce E Buchanan
	Jim Standley
	Bishop Hieronymus Greveling
	K. Scott Posson
	Robert M. Cohan
	Vittorio Rufo
	Andrew Sullivan
	Adam J Wood
	Gareth Paul Betts
	Alan L. Nelson
	David Sparrow
	Tom O'Brien
	John W. Reece, Jr.
	Mike Grinnan
	Conan W. Purves
	Tony Payne
	C. Ken Mausey
	Jay Dritz
	Chris Richardson
	H Bister
	Keith Stern
	Jeffrey Colucci
	Ryan Guynn
	Travis Mcelveen
	Jack Nagrani
	Steven E. Geer
	Steve Stoddard
	Terry Freeman
	Jason J. Sarsany
	Joey Sulak
	David Wayne Gardner
	Stephen L. Church
	Michael Gonzales
	Stephen Thomas Yenchko
	Bruce Silberberg
	Dr. Richard Periut
	Antoine de Carne
	Nathan Obert
	Lawrence Beebe

[ADMIN] This issue, I'm introducing a new separator for the
cigar-related articles.  This should make it easier to find them (the
articles, not the cigars!)

[EMPLOYMENT] I noted that "Pipes and Tobaccos" magazine is looking for
a full-time pipe-smoking journalist.  A great opportunity for someone
to work on an excellent magazine!  Their address and phone number are
printed later in this issue; search for "Pipe publications."

[SHOW] Also, CORPS President Linwood Hines has asked me to announce
the Conclave of Richmond Pipe Smokers' "12th Annual Pipe Smoker's
Exposition and Celebration" ath the Holiday Inn, I-64 West Broad
Street, Richmond VA, on October 11-13.  For further information, call
the CORPS Hotline at (804) 342-0761, or mail ?????????????????????
I'm planning on attending, and will hope to see many of you there too!

And, as the autumn evenings take on a cool snap, light up your
preference and join us for one of our all-too-few fall issues...

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	    Help Stop Prohibition  --  Keep Tobacco Legal

		      Call  --  Write  --  Vote

			Then, smoke in peace.

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Thanks


Let me echo the sentiments of so many: your efforts in producing
the Digest and supporting the liberties of pipe and cigar smokers
everywhere are greatly appreciated.  Thanks for pioneering the "inter-
netification" of pipe and cigar smoking.  Looking at what resources
we pipe and cigar smokers have on the internet, and realizing that it
all started with Pipes Digest, I am awed by the influence of your efforts.

Of course, the biggest impact of your work is upon those of us who
read and re-read the Digest with relish, and I sincerely thank you for
giving us that ability.  I have also come to appreciate how the Digest
has bettered the lives of news-group readers, web-page browsers, and
thousands of others.  Most folks don't even realize that they have you
and the other "pioneers" (including Elias Mazur, Bill Thacker, Sami
Mikhail, Steve Beaty, and all of the contributors to the Digest) to
thank for much of what they see on the internet. In addition to being
a source of information, Pipes Digest has been a source of
encouragement and inspiration to lots of people through the years.

I'm finishing up my second year as a subscriber.  While it seems sort of
inadequate, I just wanted to say, "thanks!"

-Ray [:-? (????????????????)  |      Ray Bromley, Phoenix College
aka ?????????????????         |  1202 West Thomas Rd., Phoenix AZ 85301
aka ?????????????????         |     aka ??????????????????????????? 
"The pipe smoker has an obsession all his own. 'Consider well; as soon 
as one you choose, you will be tempted by all others too.'"
                                       -Verdaguer, quoting De Palacio

[ BTW, I'll repeat my oft-repeated call for information on Bill
Thacker's whereabouts.  Someone sent me a "whois" listing for him a
while ago, but mail to that address bounced also. And don't forget to
include yourself among the pioneers, Ray! OoOps! :-) -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996

Hello Fellow Smokers,

      I thoroughly enjoy my news letter, and have not written but as of late.
 I want to thank all of you for helping me enjoy my hobby to it's fullest.
 Although I am predominantly a gigar afficianado, I do dabble in the pipe
      I would like to announce the newest addition to my town.  The soon to
open club is called the "Havana Club".  Amongst its inventory there is a wall
sized mural of the tobacco fields of the far south.  I was pleased to see
this classy joint opening up within walking distance of my home.  It is in
the town of Matawan, NJ.  I wish the owners well.
   On another note, I myself am looking for a humidor, and I do not care
about looks, I would prefer an antique, of high quality and affordable price.
 E me if anyone has one to part with.

Happy Smoking with Regards,

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From: ??????????????
Subject: Cigars

Please if you would inform the group of a new site for hand rolled cuban seed
cigars, made by Cuban cigar makers. They are inexpensive and very good. The
address of Cigar Express by Mail Order Express is:
e-mail is ??????????????

Thank you
Dean Messiana
Mail Order Express

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From: "Jason J. Sarsany" <???????????????????>
Subject: Humidors?

First I want to introduce myself.  My name is Jason Sarsany and I am a
Senior at the University of Evansville in Indiana.  I am somewhat of a
novice to smoking a pipe, but with the information I got from the homepage
and the letters that have been circulating, I feel more and more like a
veteran everyday.  I won't bore you much longer with the demographics, but
I will give you fair warning.  I am new at this and am not ashamed of my
ignorance in this field.   That means that I may ask some stupid
questions, so please humor me (then again I'm a Psych. major  -- therefore
there are no stupid questions -- Right?!?).   

My first question is actually about cigar humidors?  Are there any tips to
the construction of them?  They look relatively simple in design and I am
contemplating making one for a good friend who loves a nice Macanudo from
time to time.  It is for graduation and I believe it would mean more if I
made it.  I have experience with woodworking and am confident I can build
it, but I hate to produce something that won't keep a cigar fresh.  Any
advice would be of great help.

Thanks again	
					Jason J. Sarsany

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From: ????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #216 -- May 11, 1996

Hey Steve !

     Please don't charge me for proofreading this time !!!

I do, however, have a whole bunch of Habana/Havana and Pre-Castro/Pre-Embargo
stuff to "offer" if you have the slightest interest...

      Full refunds if not completely satisfied and and shipping charges are
included in my prices...I try and keep it simple...

Let me know....

Pete Duffy
847-985-5165 (And leave a message to call you or e-mail asap...Or e-mail me

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From: "Vincent L. Boyer, PhD" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996

I have been reading in horror as at least two members of the group 
have supported the moves by the FDA toward control of tobacco. Don't 
they realize that if the FDA places controls on tobacco, it won't 
just be on the tobacco contained in cigarettes? Have these people not 
heard that the FDA wants to consider tobacco a narcotic drug and the 
cigarettes as a "drug delivery system"? Drug delivery systems are, by 
definition, tightly controlled in the USA. Just try to go and buy a 
syringe for insulin without the proper prescription. 
Ladies and gentlemen, if we allow the FDA to make tobacco a controlled 
substance, and they term cigarettes as drug delivery systems, I 
guarantee you that pipe tobacco will not be excluded and that pipes 
will also be labelled as drug delivery systems. Regardless how we may 
feel about cigarettes, this is not about teenagers smoking. This is 
about the loss of another freedom in America. As the man said, we 
will never submit to an outside force attacking our shores and 
limiting our freedom- but we will sit idly by and allow our 
Government to reduce our freedom slowly without saying a word.

Just my .02; mileage varies based on conditions

Vincent L. Boyer, PhD

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From: Duane Campbell <??????????????>
Subject: Things are not always what they seem

It was Dick Morris, the inventor of mini-issues (who cheated on his wife with 
a mistress and cheated on his mistress with a whore -- is that a hat trick?) 
who whispered in the President's ear that tobacco was an issue with popular 
appeal and minimal downside. That is the same Dick Morris who, while advising 
the President, was at the same time a paid advisor to parties suing the 
tobacco companies on behalf of various states. Cozy, isn't it.

While the popular press was pounding Bob Dole over the head for his tobacco 
connections, they ignored the Morris/Clinton/Lawsuit nexus. The media proclaim 
that they do not present biased news, but they neglect to mention that they 
are the ones who decide what IS news. So you did not know of Morris's part in 
this unless you read the fine print near the end of an article in a weekly 
news magazine.

[ Deleted at Duane's suggestion. -S. ]

So when you see the reports about what lobby owns Bob Dole, ask yourself who 
owns Bill Clinton.

Duane Campbell

When I die and go to Hell, at least I can get my same ISP.

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From: "Stephen B. Wyman" <?????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest

What follows is the complete entry form The Concord (Massachusetts)
Journal for September 19, 1996 under the Police Log section:

"Monday September 9.  At 11.14PM a Brister's Hill Road resident reported
smelling cigarette smoke outside of her home.  Police checked the area
but did not find anyone smoking."

[ Steve, I hope the lady was reporting a suspected prowler, not a
suspected smoker.  And the paper certainly should have made that
clear.  I'd encourage you to write to the paper and ask them to
clarify the report. -S. ]

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From: Andrew Sullivan <????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996

Dear _PD_,

[eeek! Housekeeping!]

I have discovered that my e-mail address will revert to
???????????????????? -- bloody annoying, if you ask me, that they
couldn't simply tell me as much.  Anyway, I hope that my earlier message
on the topic has not been too much of an inconvenience.  I did not
re-subscribe via the Web page; so if I don't get your next issue, I'll
know to re-subscribe.  (Frankly, I find the people who run the network
services here to be fabulously incompetent.  I could better administer a
UNIX system than these guys, and I'm a philosopher.)

[ok, on to the two bits of response I have]

 Adam-HALPID Klyce wrote

> I realize, all too well, that what we all fear is the day we
>      are no longer allowed to buy and use cigars, pipe tobacco or
>      some of the higher end cigarettes. This is a genuine fear and
>      I don't mean to mock it. But, I would sacrifice my right to 
>      smoke if it would keep my daughter or son from smoking
>      cigarettes. Maybe some of you are not - but there has got to be
>      a happy medium.

I cannot agree more that there is a happy medium.  That happy medium is
twofold: (1) We simply make some kinds of advertisments illegal.  While
I am unhappy with this provision on grounds of liberty, it seems to me
to be a modest sacrifice of speech rights to public opinion.  The real
force, however, is in the second proposal I have.  And, it is one that
no-one seems to advocate.  (2) We ought to require publicly-accessible
(indoor) places to post _very_ prominently their smoking policies, while
yet giving them the freedom to adopt any smoking policies they like.  We
should, moreover, distinguish between publicly-accessible and
fully-public places.  The latter are such as government buildings.  The
former are such as restaurants, taverns, &c.  I am not a rabid
free-marketer; but this seems to be an adequate compromise which allows
everyone the freedoms of association that we might value.

What I find most disturing in the author's suggestions (above), however,
is the author's apparent contentment with the elimination of some
freedoms in favour of some (perceived) wider good.  I am not too unhappy
with restriction of corporate freedoms: I am not convinced that
corporations ought to have the same sorts of freedoms that individuals
do, since the corporations are only amalgamations of individuals
anyway.  We can justifiably circumscribe corporations to the extent that
we do not similarly circumscribe individuals.  On the other hand, I am
perturbed by the suggestion that we ought to treat adults as children in
order that advertising companies be free to treat children as adults. 
It is likely that children do not have the critical skills which are
required to evalutate the (often specious) claims of tobacco companies. 
That seems to be good reason to control the claims of those companies,
and not to try to control the behaviour of adults who choose a practice
(like smoking tobacco) in full knowledge of its potential effects.

[end of rant]


> I am a 22-year old student and have been smoking pipe for the last 4 
> years.  
> I would really like to get in touch with some younger pipe smoking 
> guys/students.   
> What interests me in particular is stories of how other people 
> started to smoke pipe in public while young, and also stories of how 
> they let their parents know of their smoking habit.   (I am now at 
> that uncomfortable point! - any tips will be most welcome!)

My parents didn't really need to be told of my love of a pipe.  Nobody
smoked in the house, so I never did either.  But, I smoked often enough
that the scent was hard to miss on my overcoat.  I never worried about
it; rather, I simply made my decision as an adult, and hoped to be
treated as one who was qualified to make such decisions.  My parents did
treat me so.  

Similarly, once I had decided that I enjoyed pipe smoking, it was not
long before I found that my enjoyment was compatible with other
practices.  In particular, I found that, if I was out with friends,
having a drink or two, a pipe had a fantastic appeal.  It was a short
jump from there to just pulling my pipe out and smoking it.  Nobody
objected, though I did get ribbed for being old before my time.  Of
course, I was helped by meeting a rather lovely woman who swooned at the
scent of a pipe.  My friends were all envious.  Eventually, that woman
dumped me.  I still have my pipe, though.

Sweetest smoke,
Andrew Sullivan

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From: David Cunningham <????????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996

	I am young. I will not reveal my age, but I am below 20. I tried
cigarettes at one time and didn't like them at all. I guess it was because
I had tried cigars first, and loved them so much. Pipes are so great. And
so much different than cigarrette smoking. I have smoked cigars since I
was 17...... 

Smoke in peace!

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From: ????????????? (Danny L Kraakman)
Subject: Re:Young Smokers (digest #223)

> I am a 22-year old student and have been smoking pipe for the last 4
> years.
> I would really like to get in touch with some younger pipe smoking
> guys/students.
> What interests me in particular is stories of how other people
> started to smoke pipe in public while young, and also stories of how
> they let their parents know of their smoking habit.   (I am now at
> that uncomfortable point! - any tips will be most welcome!)
I'm a 23 years young student in the netherlands and I started pipe smoking
a couple of years ago. The story of how I started is the same story of
telling my parents about it:
My parents are both non smoking and in preventing their children from
smoking they promised them that they would pay for the driving lessons
(wich are rather expensive in the netherlands) If we (the children) did not
start smoking before the age of 18 (that's the age one is allowed to get
driving lessons). However, if we did start smoking before the age of 21 we
should pay all the lessons back to our parents. (This was all in a
contract, made up by my eldest brother)
So I always said I would start smoking at the age of 21 and indeed so I
did, and now I have my driving-licence and am a happy smoker.
But why pipe? well, I always liked the smell of it when someone smoked a
pipe, so i decided to try it myself. (and because I always wanted to be
different from like other people... :-)  ) And I like it!
And about my parents: they just think I should make my own decissions and
they do like the smell of it, so they accepted it and even gave me tabacco
etc. on my birthday !

> I still find it difficult to smoke with confidence in public -
> probably because of my age.   Can anyone help me on this?

What should we do? smoke it for you ? :-)  Just do it... I experienced
people finding it kind-of possitvely funny seeing young people smoking
pipe. They don't expect it, i think.
When I smoke a pipe in the smoking area of a train I never get negative
reactions, but when I smoke a cigar (like them too!) in the smoking area of
a train I once heared somewehere behind me 'aach.. a cigar!', while they
were smoking cigarettes themselves......

Smoke in peace

Danny L Kraakman

(Sorry for any spelling errors)
                                             Danny  L Kraakman
                                             A m s t e r d a m

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From: ???????????????????????? (Adam-HALPID Klyce)
Subject: Re: PD#223 : Young Pipe Smokers

     I don't think you have to worry about your age as much as you 
     seem to. First of all, 22 isn't that young. Second, I think
     you might be convincing yourself that other people think your
     habit is bizarre when in fact "they" don't. It seems that you
     think your habit is bizarre, at least "for your age," and so
     you are projecting this conceived notion into other people's
     Just forget about it and smoke 'em if you've got 'em.
     I began smoking cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco all at the
     same time, at the age of 16. I am 24 now.
     It was the summer between my Sophomore and Junior year of High-
     School when me and my best friend went to Oxford University for
     a summer history program.
     We left San Francisco and landed in New York, where we spent a
     week just visiting people. We stayed with my aunt in her apt.
     on East 64th Street, between Park Avenue and Fifth Avenue. Our
     first cigars were stolen from her boyfriend's humidor and we
     loved them. We strolled the shopping areas in the summer heat
     just puffing away - dizzy from the nicotine / Green from the
     An old man, perched on a high stool outside a bar, asked us 
     what "the hell we were doin' with those seegars" and we gave him 
     one. His eyes bugged out when he looked at the band - I wish I 
     could remember what they were but it was in 1988 it was my 
     first one....
     The guy invited us into his place, it was dark and there was no
     one inside but he told us to "climb up a stool" and he'd 
     take care of us. He gave us Rum, and when our cigars were all
     finished, he gave us cigarettes.
     Later that week we went with my aunt to Long Island, to stay at
     her boyfriend's summer house, East Hampton, Manhasset -something
     like that. Anyway, at some little tobacco store we found corn-
     cob pipes and we bought them. Having no actual tobacco, we 
     bought cigarettes from a vending machine in a movie theater
     and crumbled them up into the pipes - I don't remember the 
     taste and I can't remember what ever happened to that pipe, but
     that was a great buzz!
     We settled into our room in St. Claire's, Oxford and after 
     getting oriented to the school, went exploring the town. Our 
     first night there we discovered The Lamb and the Flag, a great
     bar in the English tradition. Steak for supper, and cigars
     from behind the bar to go along with our beer. 
     Eventually I bought a pipe that was a little nicer than the 
     corn cob thing and a tin of tobacco to go along with
     it. Again, I can almost remember what kind it was, but not 
     quite. At the same time I bought some cigarette rolling tobacco
     and a pack of filterless Gouloise.
     I have fond memories of that summer; some bus rides to London,
     a trip to Paris, practically all of my suppers taken in bars
     and a lot of smoking and drinking. Another great bar that was
     in Oxford was the Blue Bear on Boar Street, or perhaps, the 
     Blue Boar on Bear Street. Either way, it is set in a cobble
     stone alley with large stone "picnic" benches outside and 
     inside, all of the walls were covered with the regimental ties
     of all sorts dating back to the beginning of each. Some of 
     them, The 7th Dragoon to name just one, were a few hundred 
     years old.
     Almost everywhere I went; Merlin's Cave on the coast near
     Glastonbury, the remains of what was supposedly King Arthur's
     Castle, Bath and the blarney stone itself I smoked my pipe.
     I don't know whatever happened to that pipe, or the empty tin
     of tobacco I stuffed into my luggage along with an assortment
     of ashtrays and pub drinking glasses but I will always remember
     the smell of the tobacco and taste of the smoke.
     When I returned home I was a smoker. I went to the humidor that
     my father had brought home from my Grandfather's office after
     he died and discovered pipes.
     Well, that seems like a long time ago, in fact, I guess you 
     could say it's been a third of my life. I gave up cigarettes
     all together not too long ago but my own humidor is nice and 
     full, my pipes are well smoked and I have recently (3 years
     ago) taken up the Agreela, or hooka. You see, there is this
     middle eastern restaurant in San Francisco that I have been 
     going to at least twice a month for three years now where they
     have Egyptian water pipes you can rent for $7, filled with
     authentic tobacco and piled high atop with the coals they use
     in the mid-east. Wonderful.
     As far as telling your parents, well that's up to you. 
     Personally, I would just tell them I had taken up pipe smoking
     and had grown attached to it. Don't smoke it in front of them
     just yet - but you might as well face it, you're a smoker now.

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From: Grant Porter <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Message


	I am a 34 year old pipe smoker. I suggest you just do it! Set
the pace. A friend of mine used to work in a drug store. One of his
favorite isles to stock was the tobacco. He loved the smells. In fact
he used cherry pipe tobacco as air freshner for his car. After several
of his dates asked if he smoked a pipe- he picked up a pipe and tried
it. He has not turned back since- not to mention has had many
wonderful dates with above average women. They could spot his
sensitive and good nature not to mention his wonderful taste. You see
a good woman can spot the slow, well thought out, smooth nature of a
pipe smoker. She can see his skill and concern, and attention to
detail. All this to say anyone who frowns and looks down at you, is
probaly the same kind of person who called other childern names as a
child- and has not a clue to what life is about.

	At 22, you are a man. Step out and forge the path that will be
yours. Put aside others views and thoughts and take on your own. Life
is too short to let others control what you think and do. Embrace what
you enjoy.

	As for your parents, my father smoked a pipe, and my mother
now smokes cigarettes. Thus in our house it was acceptalbe to smoke-
when of age.  Respect what you parents want in their home. If you
'need' to tell them, tell them-remind them you are an adult, and will
respect their home. But you make your own choices now. I know when my
father was alive- this made him proud to know I could stand my ground
and live 'my' life, not one choosen by him or anyone else.

	The only age to begin or consider smoking a pipe is that which
is legal.  Respect for the laws of the land is most important. If we
don't like the laws we should seek to change them, but ignore them
sets us back years in our development as civilized people.

	Make your choices with thought and care. Smoke in peace.

Grant Porter

[ Grant, I thought your letter was worth printing here, so I did so.
Hope you don't mind. -S. ]

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From: Bradly Richards <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996

dear steve and friends of the tobacco realm

i posed a question once before and got a tremendous responce as well
as a wealth of information, so im gonna do it again: i am in search of
a hooka (an indian smoking devicealso common in the egyption regin of
africa). i have found nothing on my own and am looking for help.
*just a side note* im not looking for drug paraphalnia, or a mindless
bong, a hooka is what i want...thanks

[ See the above, for rentals at least! -S. ]

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From: Robin Newberry <????????????????????????>
Subject: Cigars and email lists


I was awfully glad to see you group the cigar messages together in one
place. I have a mild and passing interest in cigars (or, rather I should say
that I _did_ until it got popular and the prices went through the roof!),
but I am curious as to why the Pipe's Digest carries cigar messages at all.
Let 'em get there own!

Speaking of which, I sat down and read PD 223 immediately upon receipt. I am
always pleased to "have" to carve that little bit of time out of my day to
read it through and through. My only problem is that the way the PD comes
out, it's hard to carry on a conversation with my fellow pipe smokers. Is
there (or are there plans for) a pipe smoking list server with "real time"
email capabilities?

Keep the faith!

Robin Newberry

[ The realtime pipes list exists, through Internet Relay Chat
(IRC). It's called #pipes. I don't know too much about it,
though. And, re cigar-related messages, the Digest has always been,
and will remain, inclusive of everyone, except the antis. -S. ]

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From: Stefano Toria <???????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 - Prohibition

Inn one of his editorial parentheses, our good Steve said:

>[Well, Bijan, alcohol prohibition has been tried.  Although it was an
>awful flop (as related in the Quote of the Week), it might not keep
>the FDA from trying it again sometime. -S. ]

No, Steve, I don't agree. It wasn't just a flop, it was a tragedy: possibly
the biggest mistake in the history of your country. Alcohol prohibition,
with its prospects for good illegal business, along with the inflexibility
of prefect Mori whom the Fascist government of Italy had charged with
unlimited powers to fight the Mafia, caused the migration of the latter from
Sicily to the United States- with the results we have before us today.

A Mafia-styled organization for the illegal traffic of tobacco is just what
we need. :-(

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From: ???????????????????? (Moris Elmo Butler)
Subject: new member

        Steve thanks for the subscription to the Pipes Digest.  I did not
get #222 so I guess my change of address did not work.  I resubmitted a
change of address from the pipes home page.  I suppose an introduction is in
order so here goes.  I am fifty years old and have been smoking pipes and
cigars on and off since I was twenty.  Mostly off until a friend introduced
me to quality pipes and tobaccos.  Tom Eddleman of Jackson,MS gave me a
Savenelli dry system pipe and I was on my way.  I had been smoking Dr.
Grabow Omega pipes and Borkum Riff.  I now have a few Savinelli pipes but
mostly perfer Peterson system pipes.

        I would like to submit a couple on tobacconist's for your resource
guide.  The first is the shop of Stephen Norris in Monroe, LA.

    The Tobacconist Inc.     Phone Number 318-323-3486
    1605 N 18th. Street
    Monroe, Louisana 71201  

Steve has a variety of quality pipes including a numbered gold band Mark
Twain. He had a silver band until I spied it in the cabinet and gave it a
new home on my rack.  I had about despaired of ever finding one and then
stumbeled on two at the same shop, just lucky I guess.
Steve also has a good selection of quality cigars in his walk in humidor.  

        The second shop is in Jackson, Mississippi.

		    The Country Squire    800-222-8976
                    1855 Lakeland Drive   601-362-2233
                    Jackson, MS 39216                    

They have a large selection of pipes, accessorys and a pretty good selection
of cigars in a walk in humidor.  They will also do mail order.

        One last thing is a source for plans and hardware to build your own
cigar humidor.  And also the hard to find Spanish Cedar to line it with.
They have a web presence at www.woodcraft.com and a toll free number for
orders, 800-225-1153.  
                    210 Wood County Industrial Park
                    P.O. Box 1686
                    Parkersburg, WV 26102-1686
        I hope this submission isn't too long and thanks again for the P.D.
                            Elmo Butler
                            Natchez, Mississippi          

[ No problem on the length, Elmo.  I know that many members in your
area have had trouble finding good shops. Thanks for the
contributions, and congrats on the gold band Mark Twain! -S. ]

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From: Mike McCain <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest Submission


The Ohio Pipe Collectors held a fantastic show on Saturday, September
14.  Bill Unger, Regis McCafferty, Steve Richey and a lot of others
worked long and hard on all the arrangements for their 1996 event, and
their dedication was evident by its success.

The activity began in the hotel bar Friday night, with a bunch of pipe
nuts getting a head start on the show.  The pre-show festivities
continued in Chuck Rio's room later that evening, where the Chicago
contingent hosted their typical hospitality event.  (With adrenalin
still running high after the show, more than a dozen folks congregated
there again Saturday night, when we popped a 40-year-old tin of
Dunhill Early Morning Pipe tobacco...pure ambrosia...and finally went
to bed around 3:00 Sunday morning.)

The hotel's ballroom was full, with 64 tables of pipes, tobacco, pipe
books and magazines, and related tobacciana.  Actually, the show was a
sellout last month, with 61 tables rented.  Three more tables were
reserved for the pipe smoking contest, but with the demand so high,
Bill and his cohorts decided to cancel the contest and make those
three tables available to exhibitors.  They could have rented even
more had space been available.

Walk-in attendance was great, thanks to the publicity OPC generated
through print and broadcast media, plus a lot of advance promotion by
local pipe shops.  I estimate 200-300 persons came in to browse, buy
and/or swap.  There were times when some of the aisles were so packed
with people, it was hard to get from one table to another.  Quite a
few seemed to be younger, beginning pipe smokers, and it looked like
they were upgrading from board pipes to things like Petersons and GBDs
in the $20-$40 price range.

The demand for collectible pipes was high, too.  Bob Hamlin was so busy he
didn't even take a break for lunch; in fact, I didn't see him sit down the
entire day.  (I love the Castello I got from you, Bob!)  Nikos Levin said his
greatest demand was for classic English brands.  Mel Feldman was inundated with
collectors wanting to trade for his wares, which numbered in the thousands of
pipes. The American pipemakers in attendance got a lot of attention, and
deservedly so, because the quality of their craftsmanship was absolutely world

Overall, those looking to buy and to sell quality used pipes in the $75 to $125
price range had a field day.  The demand for older Dunhills far exceeded the
supply, at least in price ranges folks were willing to pay.  Pre-transition
Barlings switched hands through swapping, not selling.  I saw only a handful of
Charatans in the Executive grades and above.  Comparatively few used Castellos,
Mastros, Jacopos and other Italian makes were available in the higher grades.
It looks like more and more collectors are holding on to what they have.  When
they decide to unload a piece, they prefer to trade.  When they do sell, the
prices they're asking today are higher than what we've seen in the past. 

Craig Tarler began the show with a bunch of his wonderful bulk tobaccos, but he
left with a much lightened load that evening.  The PCCA specialty blends
produced by McClellands were there in abundance.  Vintage tobacco lovers were
pleased, too, at finding such deals as Escudo for $12.50 to $15.00 per tin.
Pipe literature lovers had the opportunity to acquire old Pipe Lovers and Pipe
Smoker magazines, books, pamphlets and other such neat stuff.

The show ended with a raffle of donated pipes, tobacco and related items.
Raffle tickets cost a dollar each.  As evidence of the quality of these items,
one guy bought 300--not a typo, that's three hundred--tickets alone.

If all this wasn't enough, the opportunities to make new friends and
see old ones in this hobby was reason alone to attend.  (I wish there
had been name tags at the entrance; I'm sure that some of you I know
only electronically were there, but I was unable to attach names to
faces.)  And the education one can achieve at a pipe show is
incredible.  Want to date a Dunhill?  Learn about the nomenclature on
a Castello?  Find out the history of a particular brand?  Discuss
techniques to recondition pipes?  Talk to a pipemaker about how one is
made?  You could do all that, and more, in Columbus.

Thanks to all the members of the Ohio Pipe Collectors for a great
time.  I'll be back next year!

Mike McCain

[ Thanks for the show summary, Mike! Sounds like a great time was had
by all. -S. ]

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From: "Eric Riehl" <????????????????????????????>
Subject: Database Resource Guide?


Thanks for all the hard work on the Digest...it just keeps getting better and

I am celebrating my 1-year anniversary as a pipe enthusiast and I
thought that it would be great to "give something back." I have
interest in computers and specifically database design, and this gives
me an idea. Have you or anyone else you know put the Resource Guide
into a database or some type of tab- or comma- delimited text file? If
not, it is a project I would gladly take on in my spare time...not
only the initial design and data entry, but the updating as well. I
have spent much time scrolling through the huge resource guide or
using Netscape's inefficient "find" to get to something I needed. A
database file, importable into either a database app. like Access or
Filemaker, or a spreadsheet like Excel, would really be great for
searches, sorting, etc.

Please, let me know what you think. If it's already been done, please let me
know where to get a copy.

Thanks again!

Eric Riehl   (????????????????????)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Gimli took some and rubbed it in his palms and sniffed it.
'It feels good, and it smells good,' he said.
   'It is good!' said Merry. 'My dear Gimli, it is
Longbottom Leaf!'"
                        - J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Two Towers"

[ Well, the version on the Web page is about as delimited as I've
gotten it!  To my knowledge, it hasn't already been done, and I'm sure
we could make a version available for download via the Web.  Thanks! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????? (Antonio A. Prado)
Subject: Rekindling a dormant pipe

Hello Steve and all,

I have a dormant pipe I haven't smoked for nearly a year, having taken up
cigars more lately, and it tastes stale, kind of smoky, and bitter.

What can I do to bring that pipe to a clean, sweet taste of the days of old?

It's a great pipe, and I'd love to get back to relaxing on the couch with a
good book and some nice tobacco. That is, it it didn't taste so bad right


Thanks a bunch,
Tony Prado
Fullerton, California

[ You might want to try the salt cure, described in Rick Hacker's
"Ultimate Pipe Book" and various back issues (#159, #175, #186, and
#209, for instance.) -S. ]

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From: Terry McCann <??????????????>
Subject: Question.

Hi Steve,

I have been reading the digest for some time now and I really enjoy it. 
Please keep up the good work.

I have a question about additives in some tobacco.  I smoke Chartwell
from the Tinder Box which I have grown very fond of.  I recently went on
a vacation so before I left I went to the T.B. to pick up a fresh supply
but upon arrival I was told that they were sold out. Major

I went to the drug store and purchased Captain Black which I use to
smoke before I tried Chartwell.  It lacked the golden cavendish so I
bought the C.B. gold and mixed the two together and came up with a
reasonable facsimile of Chartwell.

I remember reading in one of the past issues about store bought brands
and some of the additives that are added.  Is C.B. one of these
tobaccos?  Does the Tinder Box have the same problem with their
tobacco?  What are the additives that are placed in some of the tobaccos
that are no-nos.

If you, or any of our readers, remember what issue(s) this discussion
took place in I'll grab that one via ftp.

Thanks in advance.


[ Propylene glycol is one additive that's used as a moistening agent;
too heavy a dose will make the tobacco taste like soap.  And all
flavored Cavendishes have casing additives of one sort or another,
though I don't personally think these are so objectionable as the
PG. -S. ]

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From: W TRAVIS HALL JR <????????????????>
Subject: Member search

First, I'm enjoying Pipe Digest more than you can imagine...keep up the good
Second, I am trying to reach a Mr. Richard Newcombe of California. His name
was mentioned in an article in the latest issue of "Pipe and Tobaccos" as a
collector of Bertram's pipes. Bertram's was an old establishment here in
D.C. which made some wonderful pipes; several of which I have. I am trying
to obtain some information on this firm, and the article indicated that Mr.
Newcombe did research on this shop. 
I'm taking a chance that he is a member of Pipe Digest and you will have his
E-Mail address. If possible, would you help me get in touch with this
gentleman concerning Bertram's? 
Thanks for your help, and again, keep up the good work.
Regards, Travis

[ I can't immediately match Mr. Newcombe's name to an email address,
but perhaps he's reading this, or some member knows how to get in
touch with him. -S. ]

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From: Elliott Evans <[email protected]>
Subject: Zippo lighters

Now, I don't mean to resurrect the debate about whether or
not zippos are good for lighting your smoke; most of us have
heard both sides of the debate (Works great! Tastes funny!)
and have already made our decisions.

I was in my local tobacconist perusing the 1996 Zippo catalog,
and happened to flip to the pages where they describe the
process of ordering your own *custom imprinted* lighters.
Various methods of etching, engraving, and enameling exist,
and the minimum order for any design is just fifty lighters.

So I had the idea that maybe some members of the list would
be interested in going in together on such an order. I don't
yet know how much each lighter would cost, or what the design
would be, but if there's enough interest, I could look into it.

My first idea for a design is based on the signature file of
the digest, and would be printed in bright green on a black
lighter to give that "computer monitor" feeling.

	 )            )
	(  Internet  (
	 ) Pipes      )
	(  Mailgroup (
	 )            )
	 U/~ (_{@}___||

For those of you who are thinking "here's somebody trying to make a
quick buck," I would be offering the lighters on a cost recovery basis,
charging only enough to cover the imprinting fees, lighters, shipping,
and suchlike. My figures would be public and easily checkable.

With the thousands of people on this list maybe fifty will be
interested.  If you're interested, please send *me* (not the list) a
note saying so at "[email protected]".

--								  ,-------.
Elliott C. "Eeyore" Evans					 / @P!SU! |
								 `.  |@+U!|

[ Count me in for a pipe lighter if you do it!  Can they make custom
pipe lighters?  Don't see why not; the case is the same, only the
works are different. -S. ]

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From: "James D. Beard" <??????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Hot Bowl


If I may deal with this topic in my usual detailed verbose

I find that there are a number of factors that can influence
how hot the bowl gets, and discerning which is the problem
is (as always) the key to solving it.

Hard puffing can, of course, cause any pipe to overheat.  But 
if one is reasonably consistent in how one puffs, and some 
pipes get hot but others do not, one must look elsewhere for
the problem.

Tobacco packed either too loose or too tight can be the culprit.  
If too loose, too much air flow fans the flames and generates 
excessive heat.  If too tight, the air drawn through the tobacco 
will find a small path of least resistance, and funnel through 
it, creating a localized chimney of rapid combustion and excessive 
heat.  If the chimney is right next to the wall, this can burn through 
the carbon cake and initiate a burn-through, though such is rare.

Coarse-cut tobaccos tend to burn much more slowly than fine-cut 
ones, and Virginia tends to burn faster than burley.  Moisture, of 
course, is a factor.  If too dry, the tobacco burns quickly and the 
fire is hot, but contrarily tobacco too wet does not burn slowly 
and cool.  It does not burn at all unless you puff hard enough to 
keep the fire at a temperature that will vaporize the moisture and 
ensure that the fire continues to spread, and that temperature is 
usually too hot.

A pipe with a larger-diameter bowl will tend to smoke cooler 
than one with a smaller-diameter bowl, for a couple of reasons.
One is that air flow is more diffuse, and does not "fan the flames"
as much in any one area.  Another is that neither air nor 
tobacco at proper moisture content conduct heat readily.  This 
leads to a topic worth addressing in some detail.

Many a time I have read and heard of pipes that "dissipate heat"
well and therefore smoke cool.  It seems to me, that they smoke 
cool precisely because they do NOT dissipate heat.  They insulate 
well, keeping the heat in the bowl rather than dissipating
it.  Several factors affect effectiveness as an  insulator: 
the nature of the wood (porous grain structure, but containing 
little or no moisture or sap that would transfer heat readily); the
carbon cake lining the bowl (the low-density cake that usually
forms in a pipe is a good insulator, though high-density carbon
transmits heat readily); and the density of the wood (lighter or 
less dense is better).

When the bowl and carbon cake lining it serve as a good insulator,
it is easy to keep the tobacco burning at a temperature just high 
enough to yield full flavor.  When they fail to insulate effectively, 
you must puff hard enough to overcome rapid heat loss and still 
keep the tobacco burning, and the combustion temperature is 
necessarily significantly higher.  

Returning to the larger bowl factor, tobacco of proper moisture content
is itself a good  insulator, much better in fact that either carbon cake
or even good  briar.  The fire burning toward the center of the larger bowl
is better  insulated, and the larger the diameter of the bowl the better
the insulation for that central portion, and the larger the area that 
is well insulated.  Net result:  Better wood, a thicker cake, and a
larger-diameter bowl will all contribute to a cooler  smoke, other things
(puffing style, tobacco, moisture, etc) being  more or less equal.

In closing, I would propose that if a pipe is smoking hot, first consider 
puffing more gently, as this is an easy change to make.  If that does not
do the trick, I would next try getting some bland-tasting but very slow 
and cool burning tobacco from a tobacconist that makes up house blends
(he will have at least one such tobacco in stock, for blending) and mix 
that with whatever you like the taste of but that is burning hot.  Next, I 
would let the pipe rest for a few weeks, to dry out thoroughly.  Moisture 
in the wood can cause the heat-transfer rate to soar, and result in a hot 
bowl and a hot smoke.  If the preceding still fail to cool things down,
you need either more carbon cake lining the bowl or a pipe made of 
better wood.

UNIX is not user-unfriendly, it merely
          expects users to be computer-friendly.

[ I'd disagree that larger bowls always smoke cooler, though; in my
experience, there's a range of bowl sizes that smoke cool, and going
outside this range either way can result in a hot smoke. -S. ]

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From: gary baker <????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes Digest

Hiya Steve---

	Just a short e-mail to let you know how much I enjoy your
monthly---and in the case of September---your bi-monthly mailings !
Tis great having this wealth of information on a monthly
basis-----sorta fills in the gaps between the issues of Tom Dunn's

	This is my first time writing----but I promise I will provide
more feedback in the future. I'm writing this as I print off the
latest issue----so if I can help answer anyone's questions---I'll do
so !  By the way---I'm a Dunhill collector---so if anyone has any
Dunhills for sale or trade...please contact me at ????????????????????

Gary Baker

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From: Stefano Toria <???????????????>
Subject: Tobacco Acknowledgement

I wish to acknowledge in public the kindness and friendliness with which I
was welcomed by Craig Tarler of Cornell & Diehl, who helped me wading
through their monumental selection of blends and make up my first order,
which (incredibly) went through the Italian customs unscathed and has
afforded me already several pleasant hours of smoking.

Thank you, Craig.

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Pipe publications

I'm amazed that there aren't any newsstand magazines for pipe smokers. I just
visited our largest bookstore (Barnes & Noble), and while the saleslady has
heard of Meerschaum pipes, she told me the store had nothing as far as
pipe-enthusiast publications!

[ "Pipes and Tobaccos", 3000 Highwoods Blvd.  Suite 300, Box P
Raleigh, NC 27604 (919) 872-5040 FAX: (919) 876-6531.  They're off to
an excellent start!  And of course there are also the Ephemeris and
A&M Gazette. And later... -S. ]

Thanks! I'll give them a call! BTW, if you had to choose between a Peterson
pipe and a Meerschaum pipe, which would you choose and why? Additionally, I'm
looking for a mild aromatic tobacco. At the local CVS drugstore, I liked
Vanilla Cavendish, Black & Gold Cavendish, Toasted Cavendish, Captain Black
Blue Label, and Burley & Black. At the local NewsShop, I liked the aroma of
Vanilla Twist and White Mountain Special. Can you give me your opinion of
these tobaccoes? 

Thanks again. Your assistance is most appreciated.


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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Tobacco prices

How about a consumers' guide to global tobacco prices? Nice if
you travel a lot. I have found some prices in Denmark, Germany
and Czech Republic for Dunhill and Capstan which probably are
available in most countries. And Steve, maybe you could make
some kind of a list so letters about prices won't take too
much space in PD. And thanks for you good work - it leads
to more work as you can see!

The prices are in USD +/- 10% since the dollar sometimes
varies quite a lot compared to currencies in the European
Community (or maybe our currencies are flowing; but with
my European eyes...) Enough of that: here are some prices:

Dunhill Light Flake: Denmark 10.30, Germany 13.30, Czech R. 3.60
Dunhill Mixture 965: Denmark  9.70, Germany 10.80, Czech R. 4.60
Capstan Medium Navy: Denmark  7.90, Germany  9.30, Czech R. 3.50

Well, it seems like a good idea to visit CR if you want
to spend your holiday smoking pipe - also recommended
because of general low prices, friendly people, a lot of
culture/history, and last but not least the fabulous beer!

Jesper Klith, Denmark

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From: "Lists-Distribution Marketing" <????????????????????????????????????????????????>
Subject: cigar info

could you please include me  on your mailing list?  Also, do you know of any
way I could find out information on cigar consumer demographics, lifestyles,
and usage rates?  Thank you.  My email address is <??????????????????>

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From: "Berggren, Edward P" <????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipes & Cigars

Hello, Steve,

Well, it seems I'm losing my taste for aromatic tobacco blends.  I smoked   
nothing but aromatics for many years, but late last year I got turned on   
to the Virginia-based blends manufactured by McClelland (both under   
McClelland's own label and those limited edition blends manufactured for   
Bob Hamlin's PCCA).  I recommend these highly to anyone.  A few issues   
ago I sent out a call for information regarding tobacconists who carried   
the Esoterica Tobacciana blends and wound up ordering several from   
Sherlock's Haven in San Francisco.  So far I've smoked Penzance and   
Dorchester and love them both.  These tobaccos really are as good as I've   
heard.  I still smoke an aromatic once in awhile, mainly to make my wife   
or friends happy, but I certainly don't enjoy them as much as I used to   
and certainly not as much as I enjoy the McClelland and Estoterica   

In the last issue of the Digest, Terry Jones asked about aging bulk   
tobaccos.  I asked this same question of Bob Hamlin after reading an   
article on his homepage   
(http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rchpcca) about aging tobacco.   
 He replied that yes, bulk tobacco could be aged if a) it was not cased   
(i.e., aromatics) and b) if it was stored in airtight containers such as   
Tupperware/Rubbermaid.  Minimum handling of the tobacco is also   
recommended as this reduces the chance of mold-producing bacteria   
transferring from hand to tobacco.  Also, for those who can, storing the   
tobacco in the proper environment (constant temperature of 65-70 degrees)   
is also best.  I, however, don't have a place with I can keep tobacco at   
a constant temperature, but I have several bulk blends stored in   
Rubbermaid containers that are still good after a couple years.  Perhaps   
others whose experience outstrips mine can add to this.

Also in last issue, Lim Keng Hong asked about ordering Weber's guide to   
pipes and pipe smoking.  You replied that it hadn't been published in   
over 30 years.  When I was in Denver this past April, I visited Jeri's in   
downtown and bought a brand-new copy of the book in paperback (I think I   
cost me $8.95 or $9.95).  Perhaps it's back in print (I don't have it in   
front of me, so I can't look at the print date)?  Anyway Jeri's is in the   
Guide so Lim might want to call and see if they have any more copies for   

I guess that's all for this time, so I'll sign off.


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From: "Nathan" <?????????????????>
Subject: Please add me to the Pipe List Server. Thanx!

I'd like to Subscribe to the "Pipes Digest Mailing List".  I'm fairly new
to pipe smoking, and am looking for as much information on pipe smoking as
i can find, as well as trying to find a Niche of pipe smokers that i might
beable to fit into.  My wife and I live in the Mountains of Eastern
Kentucky, and we find it difficult to find anything out about anything.  We
drive 1 hour (each way) to go grocery shopping, and know of only one store
within 2-3 hours of driving that sells pipes and tabbaccos of any quality,
and the store is very small with very little to offer.  We can get the Big
brands (Carter Hall, Half & Half, Sir Walter Raleigh, Prince Albert, and a
few others) just about anywhere even gas stations.  And finding Pipe
cleaners and Pipe sweetener doesn't seem that difficult either.  Its just
all the locations but this one small hole in the wall only have Dr. Grabby
& Corn Cob brand pipes.  I'm sure someone really likes them but I've been
told they are not of the higher quality brand pipes.  I've found myself a
Jobey from France that smokes pretty good, actually a whole lot better then
the other said brands..  Anyhow can ya add me to the list server?

Many Thanks!
-Nathan Obert

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From: Carl Hurley <?????????????????????>
Subject: Does anyone know where to get this tobacco

Dear Steve and Pipe friends,
While I was in England I bought a couple of tins of Radfords Wild Honey
and now I have very little left, does anyone know where I could get it
from in the U.S. or suggest anything that would be close to it.
Thank you 
Carl Hurley

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest

   I understand. We live in an area without local access numbers which
makes internet connection rather expensive-----and Juno is a free service
so it's the obvious choice until a local access number comes along in a
month or two, at least that's what we've been told. When we do get a
local number and get back to another e-mail connect i'll contact you
again. By the way have you heard of a pipe  called a  Claude Romain
Silverado? It's a pipe my father in law gave me that apparently has a bit
of age on it. It's a bent with military mount and rough sandblast finish.
It is or was made in France where he was stationed in WW II

Phil White

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From: Bruce Godsey <?????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Digest in general

I subscribed to PIPE DIGEST in early June.  So far I've read about
half the back issues and all the issues sent to me.  What a wealth of
information!  The first item I attended to was to find someone who
could replace a stem on a hand made pipe I had recently received.  I
had read about Mark Tinksley.  I found his web site and decided to
send him and e-mail to see if he wanted to take a look at my pipe.
After a couple of e-mails between us, i shipped him the pipe.  It
arrived back within the week with a beautiful stem.  Then I became the
owner of one of Mark's pipes from his recently released UNIQUE
seriesl.  I own U34.  Then I read of the OHIO pipe's smoker convention
in Columbus.  As we live within a 100 miles, my wife and I decided to
check it out.  We had a marvelous day.  I traded a little and bought a
little.  From that show, I began to purchase Cornell & Diehl tobacco.
So, as you can see, I've managed to make very good use of the Pipe
Digest.  Keep up the good work. PAX

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From: "Robert C. Holmes" <????????????????????>
Subject: Alternative Woods for Smoking Pipes

Hi Steve: 
Mark Tinsky and I have been having a dialogue recently about the
feasibility/desirability of making pipes from some of the more exotic
woods. Researching the issue, I came across two articles, published in
the 40s which provide fascinating insights into pipe production of 50+
years ago.

During the Second World War the supply of Briar for pipe making was
either drastically reduced or eliminated. As a result, U.S. pipemakers
began looking around for alternate sources of wood suitable for making
pipes. Three woods, Mountain Laurel; Rhododendron and Manzanita were
actually used for the production of pipes. A fourth, Redshanks, while
producing suitable burls of good quality, was found to be too hard to
work into pipe blocks profitably.  

My initial impression was that these woods were only used for a few
pipes on an experimental basis, but I was astounded to read that there
were 7 plants in North Carolina and Tennessee, most of them using Laurel
burls exclusively, in operation !! The articles go on to report that the
combined weekly requirement of all 7 Appalachian plants in 1941 was
approximately 400,000 lbs of burl which produced 176,000 blocks. The
articles arent specific as to how much manzanita production amounted
to, but one article reports, In midsummer of 1941 two relatively large
block mills were established in California to cut Manzanita grown in
Santa Cruz and Monterey counties Both of these mills are associated with
large pipe companies. More recently (1942) another plant has been
established in trhe area and there were plans for a fourth.

The two articles differ in their reporting of the total requirerments of
theU.S. pipe making industry. One article reports as follows, If these
7 plants (Appalachian) should operate only forty-six weeks out of the
year their production would amount to slightly over 8,000,000 blocks
annually. This indicates that apparently about one-fourth of the entire
requirments of the United States is provided by the present (1941)
southern Appalachian industry. The second article states, The American
smoking pipe industry (has) an estimated current demand for 40,000,000
blocks annually...  Regardless of which estimate is used, it seems to
have been quite an industry !!

The articles also report peripherally on the economic side of the pipe
making industry of 50+ years ago. In 1941 the manufacture of pipes was
estimated as an industry to be valued at $8,000,000 annually. The
article also reports that Brier pipes retailed at 25 cents and up and
that there was a large market for pipes selling at less than $1.00.
Allowing for a small proportion of high priced pipes, this would suggest
that somewhere around 10,000,000 pipes would have been sold annually in
the U.S. 

Prices for Brier blocks also recall a by-gone era. Before the war,
Pipemakers were paying about 2 cents/block. By 1941 this had increased
to 8 cents for imported brier blocks, when they were available, as
compared to 6 cents for domestic blocks that were suitable substitutes
for Brier.

Given the figures contained in the articles, I would presume that there
must be quite a few of these alternative pipes still in circulation. I
have no idea whether they were identified as being made from wood other
than Brier or whether the pipe makers concealed their identity. Both
Mark and I would be really interested in hearing from older members who
may have had first-hand experience smoking these pipes and we would each
be interested in acquiring on or two examples for our collections. Kind
regards, Bob Holmes

War Revives An Old Industry;  Appalachian Forests are Meeting the
Shortage of Imported Brier Wood for American Pipe Smokers.

By; Leonard I. Barrett and published in American Forests, November, 1941

California Manzanita for Smoking Pipes

By: Hereford Garland and Lois Marion; Technical Note No. 18,  Forest
Service, U.S. Department of Agriculture, April 24, 1942.

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #224 -- October 1, 1996
  2. Subject: Thanks
  3. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996
  4. Subject: Cigars
  5. Subject: Humidors?
  6. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #216 -- May 11, 1996
  7. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996
  8. Subject: Things are not always what they seem
  9. Subject: Pipe Digest
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996
  11. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996
  12. Subject: Re:Young Smokers (digest #223)
  13. Subject: Re: PD#223 : Young Pipe Smokers
  14. Subject: Message
  15. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 -- September 13, 1996
  16. Subject: Cigars and email lists
  17. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #223 - Prohibition
  18. Subject: new member
  19. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest Submission
  20. Subject: Database Resource Guide?
  21. Subject: Rekindling a dormant pipe
  22. Subject: Question.
  23. Subject: Member search
  24. Subject: Zippo lighters
  25. Subject: Re: Hot Bowl
  26. Subject: Pipes Digest
  27. Subject: Tobacco Acknowledgement
  28. Subject: Pipe publications
  29. Subject: Tobacco prices
  30. Subject: cigar info
  31. Subject: Pipes & Cigars
  32. Subject: Please add me to the Pipe List Server. Thanx!
  33. Subject: Does anyone know where to get this tobacco
  34. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest
  35. Subject: Pipe Digest in general
  36. Subject: Alternative Woods for Smoking Pipes
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