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		Pipes Digest #226 -- November 2, 1996
   Copyright (C) 1996 by Stephen P. Masticola. All rights reserved.
	       Commercial use of any part of contents,
	      including email addresses, is prohibited.

		     Circulation this issue: 2523

Welcome to new members:

	David Ross
	David J. Berkman
	Murray G. Baron, M. D.
	Geoff Corey
	Bruce Morgan
	Regis Mccafferty
	Ron Miller
	Allen Harris
	Lance Sang
	Glenn Hamburg
	Graham Turnbull
	Rob Anderson
	Todd Jordan Johnson
	Josh Bryan
	Bradley Morehouse
	Mark Lalonde
	Rick Regan
	Herb Moran
	Kevin Saul
	Mathew Aschenberg
	Andreas Oewre Haugen
	Andrew Hartland
	Joe Bowman
	John Rich
	V/R KL Foster
	Mike Simkowitz
	Andrew L. Naugle
	Jon M Yuspa
	Adam Weinberger D.J. / M.C.
	Marcello Gustavo Torres
	Michael A. Steele
	Adrian Taylor
	Michael D. Gould
	Patrick Garon
	Laszlo Somogyi
	Joseph J Toman
	Robert Elliott
	Kevin Yost
	M. Hakan Sapci
	Zen Matla
	Michael Seelinger
	Brett Taylor
	William Bradford Krones
	Justin Payne
	Matthew J Egger
	Phillip Corey Shum
	Chris Peters
	Bill Garrett
	John Harmatuk

It's Election Week in the U.S.  Quite frankly, it hasn't been much of
an election.  Nonetheless, it's a better choice than a lot of the
world gets, and I hope you will take a few minutes to exercise your
power of choice. 

Please, vote for whomever you will, and for whatever reasons you
choose.  But since you are receiving this list, it is likely that you
are someone who enjoys fine tobacco in moderation.  Before you cast
your ballot, I would therefore encourage you to evaluate the
candidates in that context, and to ask yourself one question:

	 Are you more free now than you were four years ago?

					Smoke in peace,
					~\U Steve.

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	    Help Stop Prohibition  --  Keep Tobacco Legal

		      Call  --  Write  --  Vote

			Then, smoke in peace.

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From: Ron Renken <?????????????????>
Subject: Starting a PIPE!


[ Administrativa deleted. -S. ]

Now to the meat..
   I have been a subscriber for about a year or so now, and have up to
this point been a cigar smoker.  With the prices and availability, as
well as the love you all seem to have for them, I have decided to try
pipes.  I have purchased a used Petersen.  Most people I've talked to
says If I like Cigars, get an English or Virginian blend.  I've got a
tobak called "Old English" from my local tobacconist, it smells like
burnt wood, but no TATSE?!  I expected a bold robust taste much like a
good Honduran cigar!  Now to problem number TWO:  My pipe will not stay
lit, and I get very little smoke, I puff and puff and puff, but the
damned thing just goes out.  I'm used to a large, full cloud of smoke
form my cigars, I hardly get anything unless I'm holding a match right
over the bowl.  I don't want to give up..some help??

Ron Renken


[ Congrats on the new pipe, Ron!  I think the two problems may be
related: you haven't got the pipe well lit, and aren't getting much

First, make sure the bowl is packed so the draw is _slightly_ harder
than the unloaded pipe.  You may need to rub the tobacco out before
you pack it, if it's stuck together in large clumps or flakes. I've
recently heard a good mnemonic for packing. Pack three pinches: the
first pinch like a baby, the second like a boy, and the third like a

Then light once, making circles with the match around the edges of the
bowl as you puff. Finally, tamp the tobacco down and repeat the
process.  The object is to get a fine white ash over the entire top of
the tobacco.  

And don't give up; it takes practice.  Maybe your tobacconist could
have a look while you light up, and see what you're missing.

If you get the bowl lit right, and you still can't taste anything,
consider switching to perhaps a cigar-leaf tobacco or a stronger
English blend. BTW, I've had the same thing with cigars; don't really
care for the milder ones on the few occasions I smoke them. -S. ]

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From: Craig Stewart <????????????????????>
Subject: First post to the digest

Dear Sir,

I would like to submit my first post to the pipe digest, as a manner of
introduction.  All in all, I have found it wonderful reading.

I've been smoking a pipe for only a matter of months.  I discovered
pipes one day when the tobaco shop that I buy my cigars from was out of
my favorite Cubans.  Oh, by the way, I'm Canadian, so no laws were
broken.  Anyway, I decided, on the spur of the moment, to purchase a
pipe.  On the recomendation of the saleswoman, I bought a Brigham.  Now,
I must say that I was impressed with this pipe before I lit it up for
the first time.  So far, my choice in tobaco has been limited to a Dutch
blend that is popular around here, Sail.  I have no idea where it ranks
on the greater scheme of greater tobacos.  My father smoked it, so I
thought that was a good one to try for starters.

The only mishap that I have had is getting a filter stuck in the pipe.  
This was mostly through my shear ignorance of the how to's of my pipe. 
It uses a maple tube, and I don't actualy see how it filters anything. 
Anyway, it got stuck, because it swelled up from the moisture of my
mouth.  This also softened the wood.  You can guess what happened when I
tried to remove it.  Most of it stayed in the pipe.  Anyway, Brigham is
going to replace the pipe, free of charge, so there is something good to
say about a lifetime waranty.  It's just the wait.

As for myself, I'm a 23 year old engineering student, so I guess the
pipe fits the immage.  The only discouraging remarks that I have ever
got from my pipe and my age are from those my own age who smoke coffin
nails (cigarettes).  Older folks have nothing but praise for my
willingness to do something that is generally considered "old".  

If anyone has any tips on tamping the bowl, or suggestions on blends to
try, please feel free to e-mail me.  I enjoy the hobby, and I want to
learn all that I can.

Thank you.
Craig Stewart
Engineering, University of New Brunswick, Saint John
?????????????      ----> School
???????????????????? --> Home

[ See above for tamping advice. -S. ]

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From: Andrew Drapp <??????????????????????>
Subject: A few questions

I have a few questions I would like to ask you, and or the list.

First, I was wondering if I could get a copy of all the people on the
list with a .jp address.  I would like to start up a club here in Japan,
and it seems like the easiest way to contact.  I am not selling
anything, and will not be giving the addresses to anyone else.  Is that
a fair use of the address list?  For all I know though, I am the only
person on the list in Japan.

Second, on a trip to the Philippines, my Colibri(sp?) pipe lighter was
accidentally dropped into the Ocean.  Saltwater seems to have affected
it poorly, and I would really like to get it repaired/cleaned.  Is there
a way I can fix it myself, or do I need to send it in.  And if I need to
send it in, does anyone have a contact address in Japan, seeing as it is
a Japanese company?

Andrew B. Drapp                  
Catena Enterprise Technologies             
Finger me for my public pgp key.

[ I've circulated your letter privately to all the Digest members in
Japan, Andrew.  Good luck on that!  Re the lighter, if the vital parts
are corroded, it may bot be repairable, but you can certainly send it
for repair in the U.S.  Don't know of a Japanese address. -S. ]

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From: Rob Anderson <?????????????????>
Subject: Another new guy

[this is for the pipes digest]

As both a new member of this list and a beginning pipe smoker, I'd just 
like to say "Hi" to everyone here.

I live in Japan and that makes it quite difficult to get any info on pipe 
smoking because of the language barrier and the fact that I live in the 
middle of nowhere. I bought my pipe here (I only have one), but the 
tobacco and everything else via mail order, so it's been trial and error 
over the past few months to get anywhere.

As someone mentioned in one of the previous digests (I've been reading 
them on the web), it seems I need to be _shown_ what to do to really 
accomplish anything. This is most likely true, but any help other members 
of this list can offer would be greatly appreciated.

My first few questions are these:

Why does the tobacco in my pipe not burn evenly? I often find that only 
the middle burns completely? Am I drawing on it too strongly, packing the 
tobacco incorrectly, or something else I can't imagine?

This may sound strange, but how often and how much should I puff? And if 
the pipe (it's a briar) is hot, but not so much that I can't handle it, 
is that normal?

I've seen some mention of filters, but I can't seem to find one in my 
pipe (at least not something I'd recognize as a filter). What exactly do 
they look like? What are the adv/disadvantages of using one?

That's it for now. I know I probably sound like a total ninny here, but I 
really want to know how to proceed. The occasional time I can actually 
get my pipe lit and continue to smoke "normally" for a short span of time 
makes me want to be able to do it consistently, and so prompts the 

Have a good one,

Rob Anderson <?????????????????>
Shizuoka-ken, Japan

[ Sounds like you might be lighting incorrectly, Rob.  Try making
circles around the bowl with the match.  Puffing frequency should be
somewhere between oops-it's-out ant ouch-it's hot :-)  And re filters,
generally they're either cylinders or triangular prisms.  I haven't
used them myself, so I'll let others speak to their advantages and
disadvantages. -S. ]

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From: OKADA Shigeho <???????????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest: Japanese club forming

Morning, Steve,

Thanks for copying me an e-mail from Mr. Drapp.  Incidentally,
I was just starting to get in touch with another Japanese pipe
smoker on-line, Mr. Seiichi Namba (I don't think he's on the
PD, but contributes to a.s.p. from time to time), after seeing
his posting to the fj.rec.smoking (in Japanese) asking about
fellow pipe smokers.  Mr. Namba, although I have yet to see
him in person, has some twenty or so years of pipe smoking
experience, and is very fond of English style blends.  (He is
also very active in the Linux on-line community here).  The
initial motive of my getting in touch with Namba-san is to
look for the possibility of establishing a mailing list of/for
pipe smokers here, something very similar to PD, in the
Japanese language.

And through Mr. Tarler of C&D, I've started to correspond with
Mr. James Baldwin, Craig's customer in Japan and a college
lecturer of American origin living in Japan.  With Jim, I'm
planning a get-together some time in late this year or early
next year, since he's currently busy occupied by the idiotic
Japanese bureaucracy <g>.

Probably Mr. Drapp can join us somewhere in this scheme of
things (Ah, BTW, does he smoke pipe as well?  We have very few
native cigar smokers in Japan).  The pipe smokers in Japan
are, as Namba-san once wrote to me, an endangered spieces,
with very little info and high pricing of both tobaccos and
pipes.  I'll write directly to Andrew-san, and I promise to
follow up on the future development back to you personally and
probably on to the PD as well.


               OKADA Shigeho @ Meteorological College, Chiba, Japan
               ??????????????????????????? (Okada is my family name)

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From: Tony Casciato <??????????????????????>
Subject: [Pipes] Personal Update


I first read your Pipes Digest in March 1996 and sent my first letter at the
beginning of April.  I read just about every back issue available on the web
page as well as every new issue as it comes out.  This just goes to show you
that my now being 61 years old has made me smarter.  The digest just keeps
getting better.

At that time I was just starting to smoke my unused (for eight years) pipes
and trying to decide on a tobacco.  Once I tried Balkan Sobranie #759 I was
hooked.  I finally realized I had been trying very bland or mild tobaccos in
the hopes of not being overwhelmed - wrong tactic.  Of course Balkan
Sobranie is no loger being imported but I have managed to obtain several
cans.  It can still be found if you look around hard enough.  I have also
been told that it will again be available from another supplier under the
name Balkan Sasieni.  Don't know about that for sure but it will be
interesting to watch for it.

I also plan to call Craig of C&D to see what recommendations he may have for
other tobaccos now that I have a good starting point concerning what I like.

In my first letter I mentioned visiting         W.Curtis Draper
                                                640  14th Street, N.W
                                                Washington, D.C.  2005
                                                (202) 638-2555
                                                (800) 572-2382

in early April and being very impressed.  I have since done mail order
business with them as well as revisiting in person and I am even more
impressed.  At the end of April, I talked on the phone with John (Duke) Fox.
I explained that I was looking for a meerschaum pipe and possibly a briar
pipe.  After a few minutes talking about what I had in mind, he recommended
a couple of pipes.  He said he would be glad to send one or more pipes to me
and I could return any or all of them if not satisfied.  As it turned out, I
ordered a Ural Meerschaum lattice bulldog and a Savinelli smooth finish bent
bulldog. They came within two days and I kept them both.  In July I ordered
a Ural Meerschaum lattice bent bulldog and a couple of corn cob pipes, all
of which met my expectations.

In August I was at the 1996 Doll & Teddy Bear Expo in D.C. with my wife.
That Saturday afternoon, when Lorraine was ready to rest a bit, I took a
mile and a half walk in 95 degree heat to visit the shop in person and met
Duke face to face.  We talked quite a bit and I bought a Ural Meerschaum
lattice calabash shape pipe as well as several accessories.  I walked the
mile and a half (all uphill) back to the hotel in a very good mood.  I
heartily recommend dealing with W.Curtis Draper.

In my first letter I mentioned that my Savinelli lighter lit the first time
I tried it after sitting unused for eight years.  I find that it doesn't
matter because I now use wooden matches almost exclusively; the kind that
can be bought in most supermarkets.  In fact, the ones I am now useing are
Diamond Red Top safety matches that were also sitting unused for eight years.

I have now read three issues of Pipes and Tobacco Magazine and four issues
of Pipe Friendly and will continue to subscribe as long as they publish.
They are both worth the money and the time to read.

Revisiting my long unused pipes was a very smart move.  I have spent many
relaxing hours in the den or on the back porch with pipe in hand.  It will
get even better when I retire at the end of April next year.

        Tony Casciato            ??????????????????????
           Hang in there...   You can outlast them...

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From: Stefano Toria <???????????????>
Subject: Re: Balkan Sobranie

>From: "Peter D. Smith" <??????????????????????????>

>I am a pipe smoker of 20 years, and perhaps a little unusual in only
>smoking a single brand which I find most satisfying - Balkan
>Sobranie. I don't really know any other pipe smokers personally, it is
>curious to be able to correspond with you all in this way. I have
>often wondered to myself "Who are these other people buying the same
>tobacco I find so enjoyable?"  (As my tobacconist assures me it is
>quite popular).  I would be pleased to hear from anyone who shares my

Here I am. Italian, 39, married with three kids (the fourth due next
Saturday), etc etc :-)

I have been enjoying Balkan Sobranie ever since the age of 20. I have been
on and off my pipe since, but I distinctly recall when I fell in love,
instantly and irrevocably, with the scent of Latakia that came out of the
pipe of one of my disciples (I used to teach sailing then). I learned it was
this "Balkan Sobranie Black" (the 759), and I have smoked nothing else for a
long time.

I have broadened my choice by now but Latakia mixtures still remain my
favourites. Latakia is the type of tobacco that gives B.S. its smokey
flavour; you find it in other mixtures such as Dunhill's Standard Mixture or
965, to name a couple. It is true that B.S. will soon be no longer available
in the US, but most mail-order tobacconists sell mixtures that closely
resemble it (try Cornell & Diehl, start from the PD homepage).

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From: "Clifford E. Wulfman" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Sobranie redux

In the last digest, a new member mourned the demise of the Balkan Sobranie;
he should know that a new company has revived it. Called, I believe,
"Balkan," it comes in the familiar black-and-white package and, on one
smoking, appears to be faithful to the original. I can get details if
anyone is interested (or if this isn't very old news by now).

Clifford Wulfman

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: comment from pipes page

I've seen the book "The Illustrated History of the Pipe"
in several shops...usually lists for $85-$95, out of my
price range for a book, but it looks very nice...it's a
big, coffee-table type book with some great illust/photos.

[ Indeed; a copy should be winging its way from Virginia any day now
:-) -S. ]

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From: Nathan Meyer <??????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #225 -- October 21, 1996

[ I quite agree, Nathan, that tobacco is a drug.  The problem is that
the director of the FDA is not acting out of some sense of academic
pedantry, but rather to extend the domain he controls.  The term
"drug" is also perjorative (though it shouldn't be; aspirin is also a

We shouldn't lie for our cause, true -- but neither should we trust
men of unlimited ambition. -S. ]

Well, Steve, not too sure what you think is pedantic about being
consistent.  One would have to work long and hard to force me to give up my
tobacco use, just as one would have to work long and hard to force me to
support the California Attorney General when he sends tactical squads to
bust marijuana smokers/growers or questions what goes on in the privacy of
my house. Men of unlimited ambition come to power on the backs of citizens
of limited intelligence.  We, smokers, should be the first to defend the
responsibly acquited rights of others. 

Nathan (Jazz lover, motorcycle rider, fool for hunting, ah, pedantic
academic and yes, smoker).

[ Easy, Nathan.  I wasn't accusing you of being pedantic.  I was just
pointing out that Mr. Kessler's motivation in classifying nicotine as
a drug is not simply consistency.  It is to control the industry, and
our hobby, using the FDA's enforcement machinery. -S. ]

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From: Tim Catanzarite <????????????????????>
Subject: Re:  Young Pipe Smokers

> pipe smokers are there?  Would anyone possibly be interested in forming
> some sort of young pipe club?  Send any ideas or comments to
> ???????????????????  Doug Herbert

I would be interested in a young pipe club.  If it ends up being that there 
are not enough of us, we might want to include young cigar smokers.  Young 
pipe clubs would probably be successful at colleges.  I will be attending 
Arizona State University next year and would like to be involved in such a 
thing.  Maybe we can make a nationwide organization with clubs at the 
colleges.  What do ya think?

"Liberalism can only succeed when people 
 are  frightened  enough  to think  they 
 cannot survive without it." -Jim Quinn

Tim Catanzarite

[ Sounds great!  There are already a couple: the Dairy and Briar
Society at the University of Washington, and also John Solakian's
Briar Squires. -S. ]

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From: ?????????????????
Subject: Hey pipe smokin 'fellows !

This is my first response to the Digest and I have a big (?) problem...
I live in germany and enjoy pipe smoking for about 3 and a half years now.
I discovered a large variety of tobaccos and must say that it's a real
Since my last holiday in the U.S. I enjoy cigar smoking a lot and would like
to get in touch with any person who loves cigars...
Now the problem: I'd love to get the magazine "Cigar Aficionado" which is
unfortunately not available in germany - if there's someone out there who'd
be willing to send me the latest issue i'd really appreciate that.
I'd pay you in advance if you like - or the address or telephone number of
the magazine would be a big help too.
Thank you for any comments or ideas how to get it.
Oh I forgot to tell you my age - I'm another young smoker - 21 years old.
Keep on smokin'...
p.s.: Is this the appropriate way to respond to the Digest - I don't know to
much about it yet...
Is there another way to contact any members other than via e-mail ? - like an
IRC forum or so ??? - and how do I get there ?
Thanks for your concern... and bye bye 

[ You've got the address right, SuperSven! There's the #pipes IRC
channel; don't know too much about it. -S. ]

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From: Tym <???????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #225 -- October 21, 1996

I don't know who to send this to, so I'll just reply to the digest and hopes
it gets somewhere where others can read it.

I am responding to the inquiry about young smokers.  I am 19, and have just
started smoking and love it.  I smoke about 5 to 10 bowls daily, and I can't
get enough.  I started on some (yuck) gas-station bought Captain Black, just
to start out.  My brother got me a pipe for my birthday.  I'll try to
describe it (forgive my ignorance) It's a bent Velani pipe from italy made
with a reddish wood with an amazing finish.  I guess I'll stop trying to
describe it now, because my knowledge of the terminology is limited right
now, but it has a clear plastic tip with a thin black bit that runs inside.
THe basic point is, it smokes great.  I showed it to a local tobacconist and
he was quite impressed, so I guess I got a good piece.  
The actual point of this message is the question that was arisen about
smoking in public.  From what I read, many people were intimidated by it,
saying it ruings the effect of what pipe smoking is all about.  I disagree.
Walking around on my campus to classes, I'll load up a quarter of a bowl,
and smoke on the way to class.  Doing so enables me to really walk in my own
world.  The effect is not lost, and is, in fact, amplified by changing the
surroundings while still being in the same place in your mind.  Not only
this, but you expose those around you to this wonderful world as well.  The
aroma from my tobacco (which is currently Black Raspberry, a wonderfully
mild draw with a great aroma) is very pleasing to those around, and is quite
enjoyable for others, so I've heard.  In the 1 week that I started smoking a
pipe, I've introduced the concept to many dozens of others, and I've seen
and smelled pipes popping up all other the place.  Two people even asked me
to go with them to pick out pipes and tobacco (like I knew anything about
it.. and I made this clear to them, but they wanted me to come anyway).  
Anyway, I just felt that I should share my thoughts on the fact that public
pipe smoking is a great way to not only express yourself, but to take that
great feeling that arises from private smoking with you wherever you go.
Try it... don't worry about what people will think.  Do it because you want
to, and people will follow.

That's all I have to say.  Anyone who has questions or concerns, or just
wants to chat, email me at ???????????????
Tym - Go Hokies!!!!!!!   
Quote of the whenever-I-feel-like-changing-it time period:
   "Happiness comes in small doses, folks.  It's a cigarette,
	or a chocolate chip cookie, or a 5 second orgasm and
	that's it! You cum, you eat the cookie, you smoke the 
	butt, you go to sleep, get up in the morning and go to 
	work.  That is it; end of fucking list"
		- Dennis Leary (Who else?) "No Cure for Cancer"

2109 Pritchard W
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA 24060-0024

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From: ????????????????


I just recently read a copy of Pipes Digest where you refered to combat
aircraft of WWII as pipes such as an ME 109 as a Mershuemshmit.  I
understand this a play on the Mesureshmitt ME109 airplane.  What was the
purpose of this?  I am assuming this was a joke.  Enlighten me....


[ You must be referring to Bill Thacker's famous "Messerschaum"
article... -S. ]

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From: "Norm Carpenter" <??????????????????????>
Subject: Hello Steve

Hi Steve,

I've just seen the Web page for the first time.  Wow!
The world sure has changed since we first started sending
you our email and you getting it back to us in digest form.

I saw and remember the treatise on tobacco growing from
Bill Thacker, did you ever make contact with him?  Is he
still around?

As you can tell, I still receive the digest, but I rarely have time
to pour through the information. 

Right now I am on the hunt.  I want to make a humidor or two. 
We've moved to Washington State and I'm getting a woodshop
shaped up. One of the projects I am itching to get to is a humidor.
I don't know much about their construction.  Do you have any
ideas where I might find the information I want?  I didn't see anything
on the web page,  but with all the links there I might have missed

By the way, how is the married life treating you?  Has your wife taken up
a pipe yet?

Norm Carpenter

[ As a matter of fact, we just located Bill very recently (after his
address changed and he was lost to us for some years.) And Jean's
treating me just fine, though she hasn't yet seen the light. :-) -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????????????? (jkurdsju)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #225


It's great to see Bill Thacker back on the list!  I will now wait with even 
greater anticipation for the digest looking forward to his next contribution.
I just wanted to add my two-cents on several topics from the last issue, 
and will, in the interest of length, hopefully manage to stay out of the legal
debates (for now ;) - too many personal issues to be totally objective at the 

About young smokers, I am 32, which I still consider fairly young, and came to
pipes 2 years ago when smoking cigars became a social statement (I'm not 
looking to start anything here - but you must admit that the with the 
introduction of Cigar Aficianado, a cigar was no longer just a cigar).  I get 
the occasional look or comment having to do with pipes being an "old man's 
habit", but have also received my fair share of compliments, whether it be 
about the aroma of the tobacco or the particular pipe I am smoking (and 4 out 
of 5 ladies surveyed prefer pipe smokers to cigar smokers for their men that 
do smoke).  Though I've since earned the nickname "Professor" from some of my 
co-workers, its a far cry from some of the other names they've come up with.  
As far as telling your parents, waiting until pipe smoking becomes an 
established practice for you is your best bet - "Hey Ma, remember that nervous
tick I used to have, well it's all gone now thanks to my Ser Jacopo!"

To Peter Smith who was looking for a Balkan substitute, Finck Cigar Company 
(www.finckcigarcompany.com or 1-800-221-0638) sells a substitute @ $14.25/lb. 
I haven't tried either the orginal or the copy so I can't vouch for this 
particular blend, but I have tried some of their other tobac and been quite 

With regard to Eric Kahler's Stanwells, I have three myself and find them to 
be both great smoking pipes and a good buy.  In fact of the three, the most 
expensive (a Hans Christian Andersen sandblast at $99) is the poorest smoking 
and only because the thin bowl tends to get too hot with certain tobaccos - 
though this is countered by the churchwarden stem.

Finally, like Mark Lathem, I too found myself in San Diego this month and 
agree on his review of Captain Hunt's.  I didn't find any other tobacconists 
worth mentioning (sorry, Mark) but I did happen across the Cuban Cigar Company
on 5th Ave. in the Gaslight Section of town.  After dinner at a local brew pub
with a business associate (nothing to rave about - but there are TONS of 
restaurants on 5th, so just pick one), we took a stroll up 5th and happened 
across their shop.  They sell only their own cigars, rolled in the store, and 
have some tables facing the front of the shop where we enjoyed a fine maduro 
and a couple games of backgammon.  I know this flies in the face of my "Cigar 
Chic" comments above, but I have enjoyed a good smoke after a good meal long 
before shops like this became the rage, and this place is worth a stop if your
dining in the area.  There is similar shop directly across the street that 
also has rollers but doubles as a coffee shop that we didn't stop in.

Enough is enough.  I'll save any other thoughts for another time.  Thanks 
again Steve for giving us all a forum where we can occasionally ramble on 
about things that maybe only we find important.  So, whether it be pipe or 
cigar, please ...

Smoke in peace!

Jake Kurdsjuk

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From: Grant Porter <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Exchange


	Any response to that Christmas pipe exchange idea? I would be
happy to set up some rules and get it going if you like. I love the

	How is the CD going? Can't wait to see it. Did you want
personal photos for that? I have a few images of a pipe rack I made
and a few of my pipes- or is that what they want to put on the web

	Smoke in peace.

[ Not too much word on the CD in recent times, Grant.  Re the contents
of the CD-ROM, I think that one of the guidelines is that it should be
of general interest to the pipe-smoking community.  If you have such a
photo, then by all means send it in! -S. ]

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From: ???????????????????? (Moris Elmo Butler)
Subject: pipes


[ Administrativa deleted. -S. ]

                What is the ststus of your CD efforts?  If you get it in
production I would like to purchase a couple.  One for myself and one for a
gift for the guy who brought quality pipes to my attention.

                Recently I ordered a full bent from Kirsten and have enjoyed
it very much.  It smokes very much like my two Pioneer calabash pipes, very
cool and dry and the taste is much the same.  It requires much less rest
than any of my other pipes.  Mainly I keep it in my work truck (Ma  Bell).
They haven't forbid us to smoke in our trucks yet, probably because the
management hasn't thought of it!  

                The pipe web page is a great resource.  I found NML Pipes
direct and after a few phone calls back and forth I ordered a pre-smoked
Mark Twain silver band and a pre 1922 Peterson Delux w/silver band.  Those
folks are a pleasure to do business with.  The pipes are supposed to be here
tommorrow and I am like a kid waiting for Santa.

                Thanks again for the Digest and a very late Congratulations
to you and your bride.

                        Elmo Butler 

[ See above for some words on the CD. -S. ]

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From: "John P. Giunta" <????????????????????>
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #225 -- October 21, 1996

Hello Steve and fellow pipe-lovers,

Reginald Braithwaite wrote some sentiments which I share regarding
cigaret smokers.  I think it is a shame that tobacco enjoyment was
cheapened to the degree that cigaret salespeople achieved: a fast,
throw-away form of slow and stressful death.  The cigarets of today
are designed for rapid, addictive consumption, and most people who
smoke eventually lose track of the original pleasure of smoking.  The
pleasure of the pipe (and cigar) is that they require one to sit back
and contemplate what they are doing, to be in the moment and to
evaluate and discriminate the act and the accessories of tobacco
enjoyment.  The difference between smoking a cigaret and smoking a
pipe is something like the difference between having a glass of wine
and downing a six-pack.

I certainly respect the individual rights of all people, but I also 
hope that all smokers, particularly younger smokers, eventually 
gravitate to the thinking person's pleasure of unpressured tobacco 

Best to all,

John Giunta, B.M., M.A.          Teacher of Yoga and Music
VIENNA WOODS STUDIOS                    Performance Artist
117 Moore Avenue, SW                          Calligrapher
Vienna, Virginia 22180-5968       Observer of Human Nature

               email: ????????????????????
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To talk in public, to think in solitude, to read and to hear, to 
inquire and to answer inquiries, that is the business of a scholar.

                                   -- Samuel Johnson

[ I think, though, that the Digest does have its members who enjoy
cigarettes in moderation.  One said he smoked about five per week, and
couldn't understand why anyone would want to smoke more.  

In any case, they and we are both in the same boat with respect to the
"tyranny of the majority," and I wouldn't want to antagonize our
remaining allies.  And see James D. Beard's letter below. -S. ]

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From: Bill Unger <???????????????????????????????>

In the last Digest, Dan Croteau wrote asking about Gawith- Hoggarth
tobaccos and the Holyoke, MA address, which you apparently have listed in
your resource guide.  G&H tobaccos, I can attest based on a small
acquaintance and writings from members about them in recent OPC
newsletters, are quite different and quite wonderful.  The Holyoke address
is that of Bob Lynch, who has been the sole importer of G&H tobaccos into
the U.S.  All that has changed recently.  Following is the piece I wrote
for the last copy of our newsletter.  If any of your readers have answers
to the questions I raise, I would be most interested in hearing from them.
The increasing number of U.S. Gawith & Hoggarth tobacco fans have been
extremely disappointed to learn that the company is discontinuing U.S.
distribution.  On July 13, Bob Lynch, G&H's U.S. agent, wrote to his
customers that "Because of the ever- increasing cost of their insurance
liability premiums on tobacco products sent to the U.S.A., the Gawith,
Hoggarth Co. of England has decided to discontinue the export of its
tobaccos to North America.  John Gawith regrets that his withdrawal from
the U.S. market will have to be a total withdrawal; therefore, he will not
honor any individual orders from customers."
I wrote to Bob Lynch requesting more details, and he responded on Aug., 14
that "I'm afraid I have no more to add....Gawith thanked me for 'my
sympathetic understanding of the problems he has in supplying tobacco to
the USA,' and that even if he were to supply small quantities to customers
directly, he 'would be exposed to the risks of litigation.'  The USA
business was not profitable enough for him (after paying his insurance
premiums) to take the risks.  However, this is not necessarily the case for
other companies doing a bigger business in the USA."
I confess I don't understand this very well, especially the insurance
premiums problem and the risks of litigation.  I will attempt to keep
pursuing the story, but I would be most grateful for input from readers who
have experience in the insurance and import duty areas--or information
about them--and could help enlighten all of us.

If you've got one pipe, you're a pipe smoker.  If you've got more than
one, you're a pipe collector.
Bill Unger
Secretary, Ohio Pipe Collectors

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From: "James D. Beard" <??????????????????????>
Subject: GH&C Tobaccos, Etc

Gawith, Hoggarth and Company have discontinued export of tobacco to North
America.  The cost of liability insurance, and other increasing expenses,
is the justification cited.

Cost of liability insurance brings to mind a few other things germane to
use of tobacco.  First, anti-tobacco zealots go back at least as far as
King James, if not well before that, and the health hazard or lack of it
has never been of any great relevance.  All association of tobacco use
with adverse health effects is just that -- an association, established by
use (or misuse) of statistics, and I would commend you to contemplation of
Disraeli's categorization of the three types of lies:  lies, damned lies,
and statistics.

Put bluntly -- and the recent finding (if true) that benzo(a)pyrene found
in tobacco binds to a location in DNA that, if mutated, is associated with
lung cancer notwithstanding -- no one has ever scientifically proven that
tobacco causes lung cancer or any of the other baneful effects ascribed to
it.  I will not claim it is harmless (I personally suspect that absorption
of nicotine and other substances in tobacco may have pernicious effects on
foetus and children not yet physically mature, and inhaling smoke cannot
be good for lung tissue), but I will assert that it does have beneficial
effects that, for me, outweigh any harm it may cause. 

Further, in my younger days, I did argue with anti-tobacco zealots on
occasion, and on more than one occasion needled them about seeking a
complete ban on tobacco when pipe smoking had not been condemned even by
the Surgeon General.  Their response, on not one but several occasions
quite separate in time, place, and zealots involved, was that pipe smoking
was minor stuff, to be mopped up after the main task (cigarettes) had been
taken care of.  After all, very few smoked pipes, and the pipe had already
been banned from airplanes, trains, most restaurants and a host of other
public areas.  If cigarette smoking could be suppressed, pipe smoking would
quickly and easily be extinguished.

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From: "Jason J. Sarsany" <???????????????????>
Subject: Legalizit!

Hello everyone.   I began smoking a briar only a few months ago and
every time I pick up a piece of literature about pipe or cigar smoking, I
can't escape the legal issue surrounding the tobacco industry and the
possibility of banning it. Now I am no expert in this area but I am a
person, and that entitles me to two things - the first of which I am
sitting on as I type this letter and the second is an opinion which I am
expressing right now.  I hope I don't step on too many toes with this
because this is a delicate issue which will only be debated and never
settled, regardless of legislation.
	I am a Psych major here at UE and I have read quite a bit of
literature on the subject of substance abuse.  In fact I just sat in on a
lecture from a visiting professor from Venezuela on this very issue this
afternoon. If we were to make tobacco illegal, who would really be
affected?  Cigarette smoking is very habit forming and can easily become
addicting.  The action of smoking a cigarette lasts about ten minutes and
is very labor free (meaning you don't have to sit down pack a bowl etc. 
etc) compared with pipe smoking and proper cigar smoking.  In other
words it is easy to smoke a cigarette and this is a factor as to why
people become addicted so easily plus the fact that you inhale and the
nicotine causes a physical addiction.  If we make tobacco illegal, we will
have a lot of addicted cigarette smokers running around trying to find a
leaf to roll and light up.  Thus we will be creating a market for new type
illicit drug -- cigarettes.  The cigarette smokers will still get their
cigarettes, but I hardly doubt that I would ever buy an ounce of illicit
pipe tobac.  The pipe and cigar smokers would have to give up one of their
favorite pastimes.  We are the ones who would be affected most.
	My point is that what we have now is a social issue.  If we make
it illegal to smoke tobacco, we will just be turning it into a legal
issue. The way to stop cigarette smokers from committing suicide (that is
what they do every time the light up), is through changing the social
attitudes.  We have learned through Prohibition what can happen if we make
something like this illegal.  Smoking is very much enveloped into society
today and no law is going to change a person's socialization.  These
attitudes have been forming all of one's life, you can't change that
overnight with a law.  You start with an attack on the tobacco industry
and attack smokers of all ages.  It is a slow process, but what you do is
change the attitudes of an entire country.  It won't happen overnight but
if it does at least we we will have something o discuss for several years.

					Jason Sarsany

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From: ??????????? (Mark Tinsky)
Subject: web site has new pipes

Hi Steve
 Just a short announcement that http//:AmSmoke.Com has some new pictures
up. If any of you are looking for reasonably priced sandblasts you might
want to check these pipes out. They re on the Products page  under,
whatelse, sandblasts. Mark Tinsky

Mark Tinsky
HC-88 Box 223
30 Tall Oaks
Pocono Lake, PA. 18347
 web address:

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From: ??????????? (rob denholtz)
Subject: recent "ad"


        I appreciate your willingness to let us announce the availability
of our new catalog in PD.  We've had a VERY encouraging response!  Even
better than last time around.  Thank you.  We're doing well with the
catalog.  Having a great time, making a little money, and most enjoyably,
"meeting" quite a few great  people over the phone and through email.  The
depth of our hobby is amazing.  I learn something almost every time someone
calls.  It's great.  So stimulating.  I don't think I'll ever get bored
with pipes.  PD is terrific...a continuing source of enjoyment.  Your
efforts and hard work are greatly appreciated.

        Best regards,

        Rob Denholtz

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From: Grant Porter <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Club / Pipe Show


	I am interested in starting a pipe club here in South
Florida. I am also interested in having a pipe show. If anyone in this
area would like to help me, please contact me. Have lots of ideas to
start the ball rolling. Need help.

Grant Porter
[email protected] Compuserve.com

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From: Eric Marzewski <???????????????????>
Subject: (no subject)

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tobacconists INTERNATIONALLY.  Our customers can no longer purchase
directly and we would like to send them your way. Please let your 
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and direct cigar lovers their way using: Internet promo's, magazines,
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From: ??????????????????
Subject: Re: Please confirm Pipes Digest request

Dear Steve;

Yes I did request a subscription to Pipes Digest.  I sent my request in from
a computer at work, so it may have seemed as if a second person was making
the request.

I've been cigar smoker for a few years now, and have recently become
interested in pipes.  I have a Wellington pipe (circa 1910) given to me by my
Grandmother.  It belonged to My Great-great uncle, then my grandfather, and
now me. I don't use it, but it's nice to have.  I use my merschaum, or the
new Fero bull dog style to actually smoke.

I regularly read Cigar Afficianado, and Pipes & Tobaccos magazines.  I'm
Looking forward to my first issue of the Digest.

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From: ??????????? (rob denholtz)
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #225 -- October 21, 1996


        Bill Unger's Ohio Pipe Collectors club newsletter is getting so
good and so large that he'll soon have to start calling it a magazine
instead of a newsletter.  Great work Bill!  I expecially enjoyed the Mark
Tinsky and David Jones articles.  And, thanks for mentioning our catalog;
several members have contacted us since reading it.

        Rob Denholtz

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From: ?????????????????????????????
Subject: comment from pipes page

I understand that you may be dragging John Hayes into the Information Age.
Internet is the wave of the future, and he needs the encouragement.

[ Haven't heard about that one; has anyone else here?  -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Pipe Tobacco

Dear Mr. Masticola, 
I am a VERY novice pipe smoker and was wondering what the difference between 
Rubbed out tobacco and pressed tobacco. 
                                                         Justin Payne
Cohiba Man

[ Pressed tobacco is tobacco which has been compressed into cakes at
very high pressure.  The object, as Craig Tarler explained it to me,
is a "second-day soup" effect which blends the flavors together.

"Rubbing out" is the process of breaking up the big lumps that occur
in flake tobacco (and some other kinds.)  Some tobacco is also sold as
"ready-rubbed." -S. ]

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From: ????????????????????
Subject: Pipe Filters

Dear Steve, 
Are pipe filters required or are they just a personal preference?
                                                   Justin Payne
Cohiba Man

[ In my opinion, they're not required. So I guess it's the
latter. -S. ]

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From: "David M. Bent" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Meerschaum Restoration & Zippo Lighters

Hello Everyone!

Just checking in for a short note. I have a question that perhaps
someone could help with. Recently a friend of the family passed away and
his wife left me his pipes. Lo and behold among them is what seems to be
a nice meerschaum carved in the likeness of a turk's head. Our friend
had only dabbled in pipe smoking and the pipe has not colored well at
all and even looks a little scruffy. Anyone I could send it to to
restore? Any tips on what I could do to restore it? Anything someone
could tell me would be greatly appreciated. 

On another subject, I would like to add my name to the list of people
who would like a Pipes Digest Zippo Pipe Lighter. I have always used a
Zippo or matches to light up. I've tried other butane lighters but I
have never found one that holds up. Zippo used to sell a butane pipe
lighter made for them by someone else. I had one but it wouldn't hold
any gas. I sent it to Zippo and they repaired it but now it is a
cigarette lighter. I called Zippo and explained that I couldn't use the
lighter as it burned my thumb now and they told me they only had parts
left for cigarette lighters. They then told me to keep it and they sent
me a new brass wick lighter for free. It's nice to know there's still a
company that will treat its customers fairly.
One more thing. Do anybodys wives smoke pipes? I've had my wife try it
but she didn't care for it. An interesting note though. My wife has
acquired the skill for filling a pipe perfectly. I hate to say it (and
hate for her to hear it) but she fills them perfectly each time. I of
course instructed her on the art however this is definitely a case of
the student surpassing the master.( I know what your all thinking. This
guy is the epitome of laziness, having his wife fill his pipe for him,
and your right. I am sloth incarnate. However there are times when it's
inconvienent to fill a pipe, ie. driving and any other excuse I can get
away with.) By the way she is also very knowledgable about pipes: good
from bad, shapes, etc. We went into a pipe shop once and she asked the
clerk if he had any Canadians and he replied that he didn't know where
the pipes were made. She immediately informed me we were leaving. I
didn't argue.

One last thing, (I PROMISE!) Has anyone tried an Olive wood pipe? There
was a small shop selling some here in Central Florida but she has
disappeared, and I really wanted to try one. Thanks for letting me
	D. Marrold Bent

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From: jhl0429 <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Please help me!!!

Most of all, I glad to meet you in internet.
I live in Korea.  Do you know the national of Korea?
We held the Seoul Olympic Games in 1988, and We will hold the Worldcup 1.
I am a student in Kongju national of educatidn university.
My grade is senior.
I am poor at Written English.  I hope you to read last line.
I don't smoke.
But I want to know " how to choose the high quility Tobacco"
Because of my father likes smoking.
Will you please send some information for me?  OK?
I hope you to send message for me, befor sending the informatidn about
I expect to send message 3 november.
If you send me information, I'll thank you.

                     thanking you in anticipation    JI HYEAN LEE.

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From: Grant Porter <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Looking for

I have made about a million phone calls. I am looking for a tobacco called
4 Squares- Green by Dobies. Any one know of a source?


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From: ???????????????
Subject: Pipes & Tobacco

Hi Steve, 
  I have not written in a while but have a couple of questions for the
membership.  Like everyone else I want to thank you for the great job you do
on the digest.
  I currently own 6 Petersons and a couple of Savinellis, love them all, but
prefer the Petersons.  The Savinellis have a balsom filter that works very
well.  After 3-4 smokes you throw them away and insert a new one.  Biggest
advantage that I see is the filter keeps the pipe very dry.
  My favorite tobaccos are Mac Barens.  I really like the Dark Twist and the
Scottish Blend.  I also love Butera tobaccos even though they are pretty
expensive.  I recently bought some Boston Harbor which is very similar to the
Butera.  I bought it on line from Brookline News & Gifts.  It is more
reasonably priced than Butera.
  On a recent trip I bought several tobaccos from the duty free store in
Munich, Germany.  They were Erinmore Mixture, made in Belfast, Ireland -
Black Diamond, made in Denmark for Stanwell.  Also bought Black Luxury
blended for Stanwell. I would love to find a source in the U S for these
three.  If any one can help me out it would be greatly appreciated.
              David Talty
               Coconut Grove Florida

" Life is great if lived one day at a time"

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Starting a PIPE!
  2. Subject: First post to the digest
  3. Subject: A few questions
  4. Subject: Another new guy
  5. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest: Japanese club forming
  6. Subject: [Pipes] Personal Update
  7. Subject: Re: Balkan Sobranie
  8. Subject: Sobranie redux
  9. Subject: comment from pipes page
  10. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #225 -- October 21, 1996
  11. Subject: Re: Young Pipe Smokers
  12. Subject: Hey pipe smokin 'fellows !
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