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Subject: Pipes Digest #235 -- April 18, 1997

		 Pipes Digest #235 -- April 18, 1997
   Copyright (C) 1997 by Stephen P. Masticola. All rights reserved.
	       Commercial use of any part of contents,
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		     Circulation this issue: 2883

Welcome to new members:

	Jon Schmaltz
	Bill Skowronnek
	Christian Sacher
	Matthias Sommer
	Scott Taylor
	Robert A. Dickerson
	Edward M. Salm
	Steve Montgomery
	Paul Ashby
	Glenn Dixon
	Bill Norman
	Nick Williams
	Miodrag Mitrasinovic
	Kenneth Stickney
	Brent A. Barmore
	J. D. Spencer
	Bill Curry
	Peter Kammann
	Scott W. Witte
	Gerald Popperwell
	Bruce Estelle
	Rev. John C. Hausman
	Birger Juul Jensen
	Jeff Lockwood
	David Russell
	Gary Greenfield
	Michel Vandekeere
	Jim Hendricks
	Adam Michael Skuratowicz
	James G. Steuard
	Gene Berezin
	Michael J. Siegel
	Mike Penix
	Halvor Opsal
	J. Gary Caputi
	Greg Dowling
	Brian M. Elliott
	Jeff Westmoreland
	Dean Jansa
	John D. Mittendorf
	Nick Conarello
	Jake Bowman
	Louis Morgan
	Rex Poggenpohl
	Bob Stuppy
	Gert Jacobus Meintjes
	Wolfgang J. Muelders
	Tom Fenn
	James D. Hays,M. D.
	Jens-Markus Wegener
	James Pajuelo
	Peter Van Wyk
	Gen Holmen
	Dawn M Sardes
	Brian Surma
	James Kasperson
	Tony Consolazio
	Andrea Maestri
	Dale B. Donaldson
	Sean Basford
	Edward D. Morris
	Brad Jones
	Kevin Sivits
	Martin Gusenbauer
	Dan Cummings
	Henry McGrattan
	Andy Thulin
	Domenico Reviglio
	Jay Nabors
	The Rev. Patrick J. Z. Kucera
	Lyndon Phillippe
	Paul Vandenbulcke
	Stephan E. Gottheit
	Matthew Kotman
	Robyn Pugash
	Jeff Mason
	Ralph M. Depauw
	Chris Long
	Kevin Walsh
	Mike Howard
	Tom Tanis
	Charles L. Decker Jr.
	Ozcar Cortez
	Panagiotis Fountoulakis
	Craig Norris
	Dexter Turner
	Lucas Pitts
	David Pottier
	Cliff Turner
	Eduardo Mendes De Souza
	Rich Zeliff
	Jani Lehtinen
	Paul Pugh
	Neil Flatter
	Scott Downard

[LIGHTER SIDE] Elliott C. "Eeyore" Evans ([email protected]) informs me
that he has a few extra Pipes Digest Zippo lighters available at, I
believe, $17.50 each.  I got two (one for use, one for show) and they
are handsome indeed.  If you'd like one, please mail Eeyore at the
above address.

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From: Jeff Shin (posted to alt.smokers.cigars)
Subject: JC Shin: Toronto Smoking Ban Update

On April 14, Toronto City Council replaced the smoking ban with a less
restrictive law.  Smoking will be premitted in 10% of large
restuarants/bars and 25% of smaller establishments.  If the smoking
area is physically separate and separately ventilated, it can comprise
up to 50% of the seating.

Mayor Barbara Hall said that she was shocked at the number of people
who were ignoring the smoking ban and that the new law was not a
retreat but a compromise.  Many owners/managers have vowed to ignore
the new law.

Jeff Shin

[ I thought this would be of interest to the membership here, perhaps
in other cities or states which are facing restrictive legislation.
There is, indeed, hope that the pols will let buisness owners run
their businesses as they see fit.  Just keep on calling, writing, and
voting! -S. ]

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From: Mike Glukler (?????????????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

 Hi again Steve, and all.

 I am very excited to announce the formation of the Canadian Briar
Brothers. We are a new pipe club based in the greater Vancouver area,
although we have members across Canada, and interest also, from some US
pipe enjoyers.  We will have monthly meetings, which will happen on the
third thirsday of every month. Our meeting venues are not set, in stone
as of yet, as we are still in search of a great place, to meet. The anti
- smoking bylaws do make these choices difficult. We intend to publish a
newsletter, and fellow Pipes Digest subscriber Mark Lalonde, has taken
on the task of publisher, and with red ink pen in hand, also the roll of
editor. We invite any interested people to contact us, at

Regards Mike Glukler
Instigator at Large for the Canadian Briar Brothers

[ Thanks, Mike, and the best of luck to the Canadian Briar Brothers! -S. ]

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From: David Pottier <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Making  a pipe

I was raised in Eastern Canada, in a town that was famous for it's
privateers (pirates).  When I was just a young gaffer an old time taught me
how to make a pipe and how they flavored their tobacco at sea.

He was referring to a durable replacement for the clay pipes often smoked
by seaman in the days of sail and their high rate of breakage in this type
of situation.

There is a tree, the Tamarack or Hackmatack which grows in the bogie areas
of Nova Scotia and New England.   The root of this tree is as hard as briar
and the old timers would use this to hand fashion their pipes.  The stem
was made from the new growth of the maple tree as the pith is easy to
remove with a wire, like a coat hanger.  These `stems' could also be `tied'
in the spring so that they would grow in a bend for those wishing something
other than a straight stemmed pipe.

As the end of the stem gets chewed away simply whittle away a bit and
you've got a fresh stem.

Curing their tobacco was accomplished by whipping (tying) the prick with
cotton twine and then soaking it in black rum.  Both resources were readily
available to the seaman.  

I know live on the west coast and was informed some years ago that an
excellent pipe bowl material was the wood of the Yew tree.  This material
is very difficult to dry without checking and the process can take years as
it must air dry very slowly to prevent checking.

Every few years I journey to a favorite Yew tree high in the mountains and
cut just a foot or so of a branch about 1.5+ inches in diameter.  I have
found this is sufficient to make about 6 pipe bowls. 

I have been smoking one such pipe with a stem fashioned from a maple twig
for over twenty years with none of the wood having burned away.

Yew wood is quite beautiful as the outside layer is white/yellow with the
inner wood (the majority of color) a nice mahogany red.


David Pottier                           <???????????????????????????????>
American Rescue Team International- ARTI 
ARTI - Canadian Rescue Team Coordinator
ARTI - Global Logistics Manager
Visit our Award Winning ARTI Web site  URL:
Voice: 604-480-0254

[ Gee, and I removed a yew from our front yard without knowing this! -S. ]

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From: David Pottier <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Growing, Blending and Curing

I'm a new digest member but a long time pipe smoker.

Some questions for the group.

Does anyone have any info/recipes on flavoring sauces for pipe tobacco?

I have some Burley seeds coming and will be growing again this year.  My
first year growing a mountain variety of Burley.  Previously I have grown
the flu-cured Virginia tobacco, Delhi-34, simply because these were the
only seeds available to me here in Canada.   

What I'm looking for is some information, from those more knowledgeable, on
the various types of air cured tobacco I might grow for my pipe and sources
for the seeds.

My Burley strain is coming from:

- F.W. Rickard Seeds Inc.
- 606-744-4191 - Most  Excellent Service and knowledgeable
- Catalog Available

Other seed sources I am aware of:

- Newton Seed Inc.
- I think they have pellitized tobacco seed
- 502-424-9760

- Fred's Plant Farm
- Dresden, Tenn
- 901-364-3754 
- Catalog available but they won't export seed to Canada

- DeCloets Ltd. 
- Virginia seed
- Tilsenburg, Ontario
- 519-842-7361 - ask for Mel

- Ontario Tobacco Growers Association
- Tilsenburg, Ontario
- 519-842-3661  - Good source of info.


David Pottier                           <???????????????????????????????>
American Rescue Team International- ARTI 
ARTI - Canadian Rescue Team Coordinator
ARTI - Global Logistics Manager
Visit our Award Winning ARTI Web site  URL:
Voice: 604-480-0254

[ Thanks for the growing list of seed companies!  And, yes, we have some
nicotiana planned for the flower garden; it has a wonderful fragrance,
in addition to its other qualities! -S. ]

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From: Steve Masticola (??????????????????)
Subject: Trip report: Santa Fe and Taos, New Mexico

While PD #234 was going out, my wife and I were spending a pleasant
week in the high desert of New Mexico, looking for Comet Hale-Bopp.
We had some difficulty seeing the comet during the daylight hours, so
I spent some time looking at the local pipe and cigar scene.

There is, ostensibly, a tobacconist in Taos, who runs a shop
unsurprisingly named the Taos Tobacconist.  The shop has a prominent
location on a corner of the Taos plaza, and, while small, should have
been doing a good business.  However, after repeated attempts to find
them open, I eventually gave up and contented myself with looking
through the window.  It might have been a nice place; I'll never know.

I had better luck in Santa Fe.  The Santa Fe Cigar Company, near the
heart of town, was open when I visited (on a Wednesday at about 5 PM).
Unlike the Taos Tobacconist, they could (and did) actually sell me a
Don Tomas Corona Grande. 

No, they deserve better than that.  I didn't spend a long time there,
but I had a favorable impression.  They have a large walk-in humidor;
probably upwards of a hundred varieties of cigars on display.  The
inhabitants were friendly and helpful, despite my downscale-tourist
coture.  (Mr. Day advised me to be careful about exposing my purchase
to the dessicating desert air.) They have some pipes, too; not many,
but tending toward the high end (Dunhills prominent.)  If you're near
Santa Fe, they're worth a look:

Santa Fe Cigar Company
James Day, owner
518 Old Santa Fe Trail
Santa Fe, NM 87501
(505) 982-1044

Hope this helps other desert travelers in search of a good smoke!
(And, BTW, the comet, and the stars, were quite spectacular -- in
between sporadic spring showers.)

Smoke in peace,
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P.S.  La Posada de Chimayo, the first B&B in New Mexico, was a
delight.  They provides a relaxing environment, teriffic hot
breakfasts, beautiful views within an easy walking distance, friendly
pets -- and a protected front porch, with ashtrays.  And, they refrain
from putting up obnoxious "no-puffin" signs inside.

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From: "Kenneth R. Seguin" <?????????????????????????>
Subject: Letterman Quits Cigar Smoking

On David Letterman's 3/27 show, when proffered a T-gar from guest Terry Gar,
Dave declined saying he gave up cigars a year ago. 

I was quite surprised. Does anyone know why David Letterman gave up cigars?

Did some special interest groups pressure Mr. Letterman to change his cigar
touting image? Was it medical reasons? Dave's cigar image seemed to preceed the
cigar boom, though he surely made cigars trendy & more mainstream, especially
for young people.

Hard to imagine David Letterman giving up the pleasure of cigars. Hope it's not
for health reasons.

[ I believe that Letterman gives up cigars fairly often. -S. ]

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From: ???????????????
Subject: Hello Again

Hi Steve,

It's been a while since I've sent anything in, but I do enjoy readin every
issue of PD.

A couple of things.  First off, I have a great local smoke shop.  I don't
know if they're on your list.  If not, please add them:

161-10 Northern Blvd.
Flushing, NY 11358
(718) 321-3908

They have a lovely shop with a two-room walk-in humidor.  They are very
knowledgable, and more importantly very friendly and willing to spend time
with you so that you select just the right toboacco or cigars.  They custom
blend tobaccos and will make up some to your requirements ( a little milder,
a little stronger, a little more aromatic, etc.) on the spot.  Also, they
sell handmade pipes from a local man who really is a gem of a craftsman.  I
treated myself to one last October as a 50th birthday present to myself, and
it is quickly becoming my favorite pipe.

There's been some comments about Carey's in the last few issues of PD.  My
advice from personal experience is to go ahead and buy pipes or tobacco from
them, but FORGET CIGARS!   I have always received prompt shipments of tobacco
from them, and in a week or so, I get any pipes or accessories I order.  But
last November, yes *November*, I ordered two bundles of cigars from them.
 Well, a few weeks ago, I finally received one of the two bundles.  I'm still
waiting for the second!  


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From: ???????????????
Subject: Post for the digest....

What a pleasant Saturday morning!  Because I'm adjusting to a new work
schedule I hadn't gotten to read PD#234 all week... At last I was able to
fill a large, full-bent briar and puff away in complete relaxation while
Now, on to the business at hand...

A friend of mine recently went to Korea on a business trip and brought me
back a pipe.  It is (and he was the first to admit it) Not much more than
souvenir quality, but all the same it should be smokeable and I'm interested
in trying it out.

The first comment everyone makes upon seeing this pipe is something to the
effect of, "Wow, a hash pipe!  Huh-huh, huh huh..."; it has a brass
mouthpiece with some eastern ornamentation engraved on it, a straight stem
about 8 or 9 inches long, and a tiny brass bowl with a red tassle hanging
underneath it.  It does look like your stereotypical hash or opium pipe at
that, but my friend maintains that he saw plenty of old men smoking tobacco
in pipes of this sort at coffee shops and the like... in fact, a lot of
places had communal lighters consisting of a candle on an elevated stand.  

I asked my tobaccanist what sort of blends are usually smoked over there and
all he was able to tell me was that they are very heavy and rich, unlike
anything you're liable to find in this country, and he didn't know of any
specific brands or sources.   Does anyone have any suggestions?  I may end up
settling for a good latakia-heavy blend for this pipe but I'd love to get a
hold of the real thing.


Also, at risk of being booed off of the mailing list, I'd like to put in a
good word for so-called "Drugstore pipes" - Dr. Grabow, the now-defunct
Medico and the like.  My first pipe was a Dr. Grabow... I don't know about
anyone else, but when I was thinking about trying pipe smoking I didn't
really have any idea about degrees of quality in pipes; I knew what they
looked like and I knew that the smell of the drugstore tobacco aisle drove me
crazy with childhood memories of my uncle's pipe.  So, I picked one up.  I
suppose another factor was that there aren't any decent pipe shops in
Rochester, NY where I was at the time... The Dewey Ave Smoke Shop has a lot
in the way of cigars, but they also have a lot in the way of bongs, too.

Anyway, I worked at it and got to a point where I could keep it lit and
usually keep that lacquer-encrusted bowl from getting to hot to hold, and
more Grabows and a Medico or two followed; I discovered a newsstand who had
some cigars and pipes, and they were selling all of their pipes off at half
price, which dropped some down below $10... to a college student with a 20
hour a week job, that was pretty hard to pass up.  I found a used copy of
Hacker's Ultimate Pipe Book, and learned how to fill and smoke my pipes much
more effectively.  

 I have since acquired a couple of very nice pipes at flea markets and
antique shops (Smoked only once or twice by the look of them, and by no means
"antique"... amazing bargains because the people who had them didn't know
what they were really worth) and I still smoke my first pipes just as often
as my B.C. and Nording... They smoke just fine for me and until such time as
I can afford to spend upwards of $75 on a nice new pipe, I am content.  I
don't think we should totally disregard  these pipes because like me, I'm
sure there are a great many smokers out there who got to thinking about
taking up the habit while walking by the drugstore's tobacco aisle and wound
up buying one of those blister-packed "Golden Dukes" to smoke in their dorm

Thanks for listening, I'll get down of my soap-box now.  :{)>

Take care,

Andy Chase

[ No booing here, I hope! And others do share the same opinions; see
below. -S. ] 

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From: Gordon Padwick <??????????????????????>
Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #234 -- April 1, 1997


Thanks for another interesting issue of Pipes Digest.

Many of the contributors to Pipes Digest talk about exotic pipes and
tobaccos. This may give readers the impression that pipe smoking has
to be expensive. That's not necessarily so.

You can buy a pipe that smokes well and costs less than $20. In
California, Thrifty drug stores offer such pipes. Just avoid pipes
that have useless metal so-called filters incorporated in the
stem. What really matters is to break the pipe in carefully so that it
has an even layer of carbon within the bowl. And, keep it clean.

I've come to the conclusion that the wood (or other material) of the
pipe is of little consequence as far as smoking is concerned. It's the
build-up of carbon within that material that really matters. About 20
years ago, I bought a couple of Venturi pipes that have fiberglass
bowls. After all these years, these are among my favorite
pipes. Unfortunately, Venturi pipes don't seem to be available any

Likewise with tobaccos. You don't have to pay and arm and a leg for
good tobacco. My favorite tobacco is straight, unadulterated black
cavendish. I buy mine from the local Thrifty drug store for less than
$10 per 12-ounce package. I take advantage of Thrifty's 20-percent
discount for senior citizens on Tuesdays.


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From: Philip Richards <??????????????????????????????>
Subject: Some Observations on the UK Scene


>> I was wondering if any other UK members of this list have had a similar
experience to mine. <<

I wholeheartedly agree with Dave's views and statements. As a 36-year old
pipesmoker also living in the UK who started as a beginner just under 4
years ago I have come to the same conclusion. It wasn't a case of changing
from cigarettes or cigars since I had never touched them before nor was it
a friend who introduced me to the pipe or the influence of any advertising
campaign. I just fancied the idea, tried it and liked it!

Certainly the pipe manufacturing and tobacco industry here in the UK seem
to do nothing to promote it, not even trying to influence cigarette smokers
to change. Yet cigarettes are still widely advertised even though the
manufacturers claim it is not to encourage new smokers but to get existing
ones to change their brand.

So the pastime and industry is probably likely to decline, what few people
smoke pipes in the UK generally appear to be of the middle to older
generation. It will be interesting in say 20 or 30 years time to see how
things will have changed. I only hope the trend may turn and more younger
men perhaps begin to appreciate the pastime of pipesmoking in favour of
just getting addicted to cigarettes.

Lastly any UK pipesmokers - especially mid 30's and under please contact
me, what few there seem to be out there!


E-mail ??????????????????????????????

[How's the club scene in the UK, though?  Arguably, the amateurs are
pulling the U.S. pipe market out of a long decline. And see below! -S. ]

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From: David L Chambers <??????????????????????>
Subject: Tobacconists in the UK

I have had several private e-mails since I wrote to the Digest regarding
the decline of pipe smoking in the UK.

However, all is not doom and gloom. When I was in a pipe shop in Lincoln
I picked up a publication that lists over 250 good tobacconists
throughout the UK.

I thought that if any member of the Digest was travelling to the UK and
wanted such info, then I am willing to supply it if they  e-mail me
privately with details of the area they were visiting. I would then send
them details of the tobacconists nearby (address, opening times etc.)


Dave Chambers
David L Chambers <??????????????????????>
Independent Distributor for Dorling Kindersley Family Learning
Leading Publisher of Books, Video and Multi-Media

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From: John O'Bryan (????????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

Dear Pipe smokers,

I have just reproduced the greatest book ever written on the subject
pipe smoking.  The book is entitled "My Lady Nicotine."  It was written
by J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)  in the year 1890.  It is by far the wittiest,
warmest, funniest book on the subject.  I gurarantee you will love it.
This edition is bound with a burgundy color cover and a beautiful dust
jacket.  This is one great read.  It sells for $14.99 plus
$5.00 shipping.  If you are interested in receiving a copy or would like 
more information please don't hesitate to write.


John O'Bryan
Owner Thornbush Anthologies
phone/fax 208-882-6150

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From: "Eric V. Troken" <???????????????>

Hello Steve and everyone out in cyber space,

I am a relatively new name on the list
of subscribers to pipe digest, I receive it and read it almost biblically
as it comes. I have been a pipe smoker for about 4 years and a cigar
smoker for about 6 years originally I started smoking pipes to take a
break from the cigars, but with the emergence of the new cigar rage,
premium cigars also carry a premium price.  Don't get me wrong, I am very
willing to dish out cash for a good cigar now and then, but most of the
time, I can't afford the new prices ( I am also a college student and
money can be pretty scarce too). So lately I have been smoking more of my
pipes and less cigars.  Well my question is for all the midwesterners
especially those in Chicago: Does anybody know a store where someone with
a moderate amount cash flow (remember I am a student) can buy a pipe
reasonably priced (20-70 dollars), new or used and a place to smoke it
I normally just sit down with nice bowl of non-aromatic and go to it, buti
need to meet other people like me, that could help me out.


Eric Troken

[ There are no fewer than seven Chicago stores and two clubs in the
Guide, Eric.  With a little experimentation, you should find what you
seek! -S. ]

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From: ????????????????
Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #234 -- April 1, 1997 

Hi, Steve and Digest Readers!

I'm reducing my collection, somewhat, and would like to make my list
available to the readers of PD who do not read a.s.p.  If anyone would like
to receive a copy via eMail, they can drop me a note and I'll send them the 
latest.  I'm working on the list right now.  It's time consuming to look at 
300+ pipes trying to decide which ones you really *need* to keep, and which 
ones should be in other people's collections!  


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From: ??????????????? 
Subject: question for the digest

[ Via Steve Beaty ]

hello mister beaty i love reading your digest and i am not sure where i can
submit any questions to it but this time i will try and send it to your

i read about pipe flavoured cigarettes in a magizine and i was wondering if
they are worth anyones time and if they are any good.  have you heard or can
you hook me up with anyone who HAS heard if you haven't?

thanks alot and i really appreciate what you do with the digest! =)
Steve Emery

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From: Jeremy Tully (????????????????????????)
Subject: Some favorite places to pipe ....

Hello all, and kudos on the constant developement of PD. I was thinking
about my favorite smoking locale's lately, and felt like sharing the
information with the rest.

I live in the south, Houston, Texas to be precise. As of late there have
been laws passed against smoking in public buildings such as malls,etc.
Therefore most all of my smoking enjoyment in on the balconey of my
townhome or somewhere else outside. I personally have found the most
enjoyment on the top of parking garages. I know that may sound a little
strange, but I can explain.

I have grown up a denizen of the concrete jungle, and have always had an
affection for the large buildings. The gigantic works of art that are
office buildings. Well, in our downtown district there are hundreds of
these buildings reaching skyward, displaying their strength and beauty. The
BEST vantage point so far has been from the roof of large parking garage
structures. They provide a wonderful view, are usually empty during the
evenings, with the added bonus of having no roof. This combination makes
for a wonderful place to sit and watch the evening crawl by. I puff on my
Briar, a little Sangaria, and watch the buildings melt away into

By the way folks, I am currently using a "made for pipes" lighter that has
a flame off the top of it at about a 45 degree angle. I am not sure of the
brand name because it was a very generic lighter when I bought it. I will
try to find out the name of it, but I wanted the rest of the group to know
that it DOES make for a good light, even with a brisk wind.

Well, keep your tobacco dry,

     Jeremy Tully
     Houston, TX

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From: ????????????????????? (David S Chesler)
Subject: Mango Cavendish

A toddler and an infant barely leave me time to read my mail
(were it not for the April Fool's Nor'easter I probably wouldn't
have read all of this PD so soon), let alone time and place to
smoke (gazebo this summer, definitely; the only suitable space
in the house I could claim adjoins the laundry section in the
basement...) but I noticed that
Tim A Canedo <??????????????????????> wrote:

> I noticed your mention of Mango Cavendish and it so happens that I have 
> been trying to track down that blend for a friend who is working in 
> Egypt.  I've tried everywhere in the Washington DC metro area, to no 
> avail.  My friend thinks I'm slacking because he is cetain that the 
> tobacco is in abundance at every corner tobacco shop.  Any ideas on where 
> I can procure this elusive blend?

 I'll check Jon's Pipe Shop, which Our Moderator mentioned.  In the
mean time, I wanted to assure Tim that he isn't slacking.  That's
the blend that I used to smoke from Leavitt & Pierce (glad to see
that my favorite Cambridge tobacconist gets mentioned in the PD from
time to time) and they've told me that David P. Erhlich no longer
carries it.  (They claim their Judges Mix is a mango-flavored
cavendish, but it's not the same.)

 I did pick up a blend called Mango Cavendish at a mall tobacco
shop a few years back, but that shop is gone now too.

  - David Chesler (?????????????????????, etc.  http://world.std.com/~chesler)

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From: Ken Corey (??????????????????????)
Subject: Dunhill "Estate Pipes"

I am very interested in beginning a collection of Dunhill Estate Pipes
for my use, not just to sit in a rack. Prefer Billiards and Canadians,
both Root and Shell. Looking for suggestions and experiences in "best
places to buy" ie: where am I likely to have the best expeience,
meaning fair price and hassle free if I need to return a purchase"?
Also, if I get to England, or if I ask relatives in the Liverpool
(Chester and Ellsmere Port) area to send me a Pipe, are there any
suggestions? Assume a shipment from England would be a new pipe as I
am not aware if Estate Pipes are readily dealt there.

Cannot find any printed materials on Dunhill pipes .. any ideas?

Thanks,  Ken Corey  Hartford, Ct.   ?????????????????????? 

[ The Fellowship of the White Spot, or one of the Dunhill stores,
would be a good place to start!  Or see below. -S. ]

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From: Tom Fenn <????????????????>
Subject: For Sale

I have a friend, who is a non computer user that has the following pipes
for sale.  These pipes were left to him by his uncle and are in
excellent condiation.  Contact him direct at 816-270-1250 and ask for

1- Dunhill
1- Ben Wade
3- Peterson
1- Kaywoodie (freehand)

Tom F.

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From: "Dr. Mahmoud H. el Kouni" <"M. el Kouni"@ccc.uab.edu>

I was surprised to see that several of the commercial and personal pipe
links have been deleted from the pipe page. Is there any reason for this
deletion. They were quite useful.

[They were there when I looked at the page today! -S. ]

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From: Adamm (???????????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

I was wondering whether anyone can help with a particular problem I
seem to have: In Hackers "The Ultimate Pipe Book" he speaks of a
college friend who likes to break in pipes, whereas most people
dislike it intensely.  My problem is this: when I get a new pipe it
smokes wonderfully for a few weeks and then goes "sour".  I'm not sure
why this is: I regularly clean them with pipe cleaners etc.  It is
really frustrating.  A few weeks of a really heavenly smoke and then
Blam!.  Can anyone help?


[ Perhaps try letting them rest, or experimenting with different
blends. Or look for some dirt or goo that you're missing in the
cleanings.  -S. ]

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From: Jesper Klith <??????????????????????????>
Subject: [Fwd: http://home.pt-magazine.com/pt-mag/]

 Hi Steve

In PD234 you said that you had not found the Pipe & Tobacco homepage -
well, here it is. And thanx for the fine job you're doing over there.

Jesper, Denmark

[ Thanks for the note, Jesper!  The page is up now. -S. ]

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From: Jesper Klith <??????????????????????????>
Subject: James Upshall filter pipes

 I have recently picked up a James Upshall pipe at a flea market and
after cleaning and reaming it is a fine smoker. However, it is a filter
type pipe since the tenon is made of rather thin material leaving room
for a large filter.

I didn't know that JU made (makes?) filter pipes but maybe some of you
gentlemen can give me info about age etc. The pipe is a brown sandblast
Pot no. 3 marked James Upshall + Hand Made in England. I have seen used
JU pipes for sale at rather high prices but maybe mine is a second since
I am not too impressed with the quality.

BTW, I might want to swap it for Hacker's book or another pipe so I
welcome any offers.

Jesper Klith, Denmark

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From: ????????????????????????
Subject: Greetings From Greece

  Dear fellow smokers,

 My name is Iordanis Haralampidis and I'm newbie, I want to ask you, in
advance, for understanding on my skills at English.

 I'm from Greece, I'm sure you have heard about our tobbacos, I'm 20
years old and I have smoked some bowls, to be more specific smoking pipe
was my first experience on smoking ever, that happened about 2,5 years

 Since then I was smoked pipe few more times. But I like the whole
"ceremony" of smoking. As you can understand Is a litlle bit dificult
for a 20yrs to smoke at his social environment, but I like it and I want
to start smoking pipes, even on private places.

 I'm sure I can find useful thing at this digest.

               As you say "Smoke in Peace".

                    Iordanis Haralampidis.

P.S I 'd like to contact any people from Greece and/or joining a Club
here, so any informations will be accepted with enthousiasm. 

[ If you learn of a pipe club in Greece, please let us know for the
Guide! -S. ]

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From: ??????????????????????????
Subject: New Barcelona Pipa Club web pages

Dear Steve,

Barcelona Pipa Club has a new web site, far better than the previous one.

Have a look at it!


Would it be possible to update our address in the pipes site?


Ricard Pardell

[ Yes, indeed!  If Steve doesn't notice this letter, just mail him the
new URL at ???????????????? -S. ]

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From: Mike Penix (?????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

I enjoy this mailing list very much!  As a former tobacconist, I have
a few HIGH GRADE pipes that I am wanting to trade.  Reason: I'm older
now and my teeth don't handle the "straight" pipes like they used to.

Without going into detail on what I have to trade, does anyone here
know what outlets there are to do this?  I used to trade with Barry
Levin in Craftsbury, Vermont but I have just recently learned of his
passing.  :( I have tried to e-mail his son but I have gotten no
reply.  I am hesitant to send these pipes to "just anyone" because of
their value. Recently I have moved to to a small town and there simply
are no outlets for "kapsnismologists" here.

Steve(s), any pointers?

Mike Penix

[You could phone Nikos Levin at (407) 753-0153.  Or perhaps other
dealers will contact you. And there's always the Sherlock Holmes club
in Boston, too!  -S. ]

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From: Jeff (????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

Just thought I'd touch base with the few mentionables on pipes that I
have come across lately.

Tried my first Corn cob pipe the other day, very cool with a clean
taste.  I'm sold!

On a pipes or smoking related media note, the latest episode of the
Sci-Fi Channels Mystery Science Theatre 3000 shoew the shows star
human, Mike Nelson reading a Magazine during a skit, the mag being 
S M O K E !

If we could just get a copt of P&T or PD up to the Satellite of Love....


[Or TPSE, or A&M, etc.  Reminds me of a skit they had with Joel and the
bots smoking corncobs "loaded with manure..." -S.]

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From: ??????????????? (Stefano Toria)
Subject: Clay

Tuesday was a clear but cold day, as it happens sometimes in April in
this part of the world.

I had started late for the conference, which was due to begin at 9:30
sharp, but - as I discovered later - had comfortably lagged for almost
an hour, so that when I arrived I had only missed the salutations.
I switched the sound off in my cell phone, leaving the vibration to
warn me of incoming calls. With three children out of four being sick
at the same time, and my wife none the better, I expected anything

In fact the only call I received was from my wife, and with a light
and amused tone: "Your pipes have arrived- they are so funny!"

I had ordered two clay pipes from Stephen Bray: a churchwarden and a
shorter one. But it had been a long, long time ago. February it was,
and although I expected the parcel to spend some time before reaching
me, which is usual for everything I order from America, I had started
to believe that something was amiss, since so much time had elapsed
and no parcel from Canada had shown.

So I spent the rest of the day at the (exceedingly boring) conference
in expectation to see these pipes.

It so happened that when I returned home I was busy for quite a while
(my children are very small, the eldest being nearly seven and the
youngest five months) and I had to delay the pleasure of lighting the
beautiful artworks that lay in a magnificent wooden box on my table.

After dinner, prayers and night-nights I lit a fire, sat next to it
with my wife watching me with an amused smile, filled up and started
the churchwarden. Although I expected it, I was surprised at how cool
and yet full of flavour the smoke could be. The mixture was C&D's
Professor, my second favourite (the Number One being the Pirate Kake)
and the rich, English taste came up fresh through the long stem.

I had never held a churchwarden, yet it felt like I had done nothing
else in the rest of my life. It is lighter than I expected, and
resting it on my knuckles, with the index curled on top of it and the
thumb supporting it from below it felt like a feather.

I smoked the bowl right to the bottom, in a short time. Stephen Bray
is very accurate in his reconstruction of ancient pipes, and has
reproduced the small bowl of an 18th century pipe.

Then I emptied the bowl of the ashes, and I couldn't help wanting to
have a go at the short pipe. This was possibly a mistake, because I
should have let my mouth rest a bit (I never smoke two bowlfuls in a
row and now I know why).

The second smoke was slightly less pleasant. It stung a bit, and I had
to stop before reaching the end of the bowl. But I am inclined to
think it was my fault, not the pipe's.

After smoking I replaced the pipes in their box where they make a
magnificent display. I must say I have rarely had the impression of
having well spent my money as much as I have with Bray's pipes.

It is my first experience of clay pipes so I have no check to make.
But being used to briar and Meerschaum, clay is a most interesting,
although less practical, substitute to other materials. The main
drawback in these pipes lies, I believe, in their fragility; you can
drop a briar with little damage (although I wouldn't like any of my
pipes to fall on the floor), but a clay will shatter in small bits. On
the other hand the clay absorbs the condense very well; I didn't feel
any gurgle at all, no bad tang, nothing: only the pleasure of the
aroma of the tobacco.

All in all, I think that a clay pipe is something every smoker should
have a go at, sometimes. I will keep smoking my other pipes but these
two clays will definitely take a fixed place in the routine turnover I
give to my pipes. 

Happy smoking,

| Stefano Toria              | lutenist,               |
| ???????????????            | full-time daddy (of 4), |
| Rome, Italy      U/~       | dedicated sleeper,      |
|                            | jack-of-all-trades.     |

[ And for a new source for your clays, see below! -S. ]

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From: Alan Waring (??????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

Greetings Steve,

I've been a subsriber for about three weeks and have printed out and read
the P D  going back to #200. I have noted a few things wherein I might
be of some help.
Being a pipe-smoker how likes to clench the bit firmly between my teeth,
and sometimes down-right chew on it, but does not enjoy spoiling the bit
(unless it is one of my basement pipes), I would recomend JB Longs Live
Rubber Pipe Bits. My local tobacconist hands out a little plastic bag with
2 rubber bits with each pipe purchased. I noticed that Carey's sells them
through their catalogue.

This next piece of news should be welcomed by many if Digests 200-234 are
any indication:CLAY CHURCH-WARDENS AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I called Colonial Williamsburg yesterday (4-14-97) and inquired at their
switchboard ~Do you sell clay pipes? "Oh yes, let me switch you to the
Prentis Store. Well, @ $5.50 each, I promptly ordered four pipes, which
came to the humble sum of $26.50 incl.UPS The pipes are made by a local
potter off the grounds of Colonial Williamsburg proper. The shopkeeper
said the pipes are 4-sale in shops all over town. The pipes are reported
to be 10-12 inches in length. Here are the particulars:

Colonial Williamburg 757-229-1000  extension:2117 The Prentis Store

clay church-wardens @ $5.50 each

UPS shipping: $4.00 (same for one pipe or four)                               

M/C Visa accepted, allow 7-10 days delivery

On another subject, I can't thank you enough for the Resource Guide,
through which I found Tom Dunn,of the famed Ephemeris.

Many thanks to you and the web-wizard Steve B.,
Alan Waring, southern Connecticut

[ Thanks for the word, Alan!  This is a good find indeed. And I've
placed the Colonial Williamsburg store in the Guide, too.  -S. ]

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From: Mark Lathem <?????????????????>
Subject: Antiquarian Tobaciana

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The purpose of this little note is to bring attention to a 
neglected aspect of our hobby as well as publicize a valuable 

As many of you know, Ben Rapaport operates a business called
"Antiquarian Tobacciana,"  specializing in the sale of pipe and
tobacco literature.  This venture is really a labor of love for
Ben, a service he provides to the pipe (and cigar) smoking community.
Four times a year, he publishes "The Nicotian Network Nexus and News"
(TNNNN), subtitled "A clearinghouse for the literature of tobacco and
smoking, antique pipes, graphics and occasional accoutrements."

Rather than attempt to describe this marvelous resource myself, let me
use Ben's own words:

"The aims of Antiquarian Tobacciana (AT):  to promote the literature of
'smoke' and to foster the sale of current, rare and obscure books and
occasional artifacts pertaining thereto.  TNNNN is a specialized
quarterly newsletter of AT, wholly devoted to smoking technology and
anecdotal information on tobacco, pipes, cigars, snuff, cigarettes and
associated implements.  TNNNN is issued quarterly in June, September,
December and March, and it is automatically sent free to those who,
during the course of the year, purchase something.  AT is not offered as
a paid subscription; a sample copy costs $1.00 [which will be] deducted
from the cost of any item purchased during the quarter in which the
sample copy is purchased."

As I look through the Spring 1997 issue of TNNNN, I see the first two
pages are dedicated to club announcements, newly published books and
periodicals, museums, and various smoking ephemera.  The remaining six
pages are packed with various items Ben has up for sale.  Some examples:

Books - everything from Weber's Guide to Pipes and Pipe Smoking for $3
	to the two-volume Pipes Amerindiennes by Lecluse for $160.

Magazines - single issues of Pipe Smoker Magazine for $2.50 each, a
	complete set of The Compleat Smoker for $17.50, etc.

Accessories - tobacco jars to cigar cutters to ivory tampers.

Ephemera - auction catalogs, prints, pamphlets, cards, sheet music,
	etc., etc.

Great stuff!

So, why am I writing this?  Two reasons.  First, Ben's a helluva guy,
a great American (he's a retired Army officer), and I like him.  Second,
during out last telephone conversation he told me that he's considering
closing down shop in the next couple of years.  It seems that most folks
would rather spend their money on a new pipe than on a great book.
Don't get me wrong, I like buying a new pipe as much as the next guy;
still, the hobbyist who hasn't read any pipe literature other than
Hacker's book or its ilk is doing himself a great disservice.  My own
tobacco library is quite modest (but growing!), yet I find that I get 
almost as much pleasure from reading about my avocation as I do from 
smoking my briars.  Ben provides a unique service to the hobby, and we
can't afford to let him slip away.

My advice:  drop whatever you're doing right now and scribble a note to
Ben, wrap it around a $1 bill, and send it to :

Antiquarian Tobacciana
11505 Turnbridge Lane
Reston, VA  20194-1220

I *guarantee* you won't be disappointed.

Mark Lathem      

[ I had the pleasure of meeting Ben Rapaport in person at the CORPS show
last fall, and extended kudos to him as a leading light in his field. I
own two of his books.  -S. ]

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From: Bill Unger <???????????????????????????????>
Subject: Pipe Club News

Steve, I haven't written you for a while with news of the pipe club or
praise for all your efforts, but I've been busy.  So, finally, here is
some news to pass on to all your devoted readers.  If there's any chance
you'll be at the Chicago show, be sure to look me up at the NASPC
table.--Bill Unger

     I'd like to bring everyone up to date on all the exciting NASPC news.
 Yes, NASPC, for North American Society of Pipe Collectors--formerly the
Ohio Pipe Collectors club.  We currently stand at just under 200
dues-paying members, a little over half of them from states other than
Ohio and from Canada, with a handful from other countries as well.
Given this accomplishment, our board decided that a name change that
better reflected our status and that might better serve to attract even
more members was in order.  So it voted unanimously to make the change.

     In addition, the board voted to change the name of our newsletter
to The Pipe Collector.  Since we continue not to have membership
meetings, the newsletter and the annual swap/sell pipe show remain the
primary benefits of membership.  The newsletter has continued to grow in
size.  Over the past two years, for example, we have published six in
our series Profiles of American Pipe Makers, and more are scheduled for
coming issues.  We think the newsletter alone is worth the price of
membership, which remains at $12 per year--pro-rated at $1 a month for
new members.  We will continue working to make it better and more packed
with the kind of articles pipe smokers and collectors want to read.  (We
are also offering newsletter subscriptions at $10 a year or $2.50 an

     Then there's our show, scheduled for September 27 this year at the
same location.  Last year, we sold out all available 64 tables, and the
questionnaires I sent out to dealers after the show indicated unanimous
satisfaction with the size of the crowd.  This year, we have taken the
full Holiday Inn ballroom and hope to sell out the 90 or so tables that
will be available and to attract even more buyers and swappers.  And of
course we will continue our stupendous raffle, with many pipes and much
other merchandise available to win.  Also this year we have rented a
hospitality suite, which will be well stocked and will be open Friday
afternoon to whenever it closes.

     We continue recruiting new members in order, primarily, to better
afford putting out a bigger and more satisfying newsletter.  I've got a
lot of exciting stuff scheduled, but printing and mailing costs are not
cheap.  Please feel free to contact me if you are interested in joining
or subscribing (we'd prefer to have you as a member, and membership does
offer some additional benefits, like the drawing for the Mike Frey pipe
we had at the beginning of this year), receiving a show flyer or table
rent form, or just finding out more about the club or the show.  Our
mail address is NASPC, P.O. Box 9642, Columbus, OH 43209-9642.  Our
e-mail address is ???????????????  My home phone number is 614-252-2904.

If you've got one pipe, you're a pipe smoker.  If you've got more than
one, you're a pipe collector.
Bill Unger
Secretary, North American Society of Pipe Collectors

[ Indeed, the NAPSC is getting better all the time, and deserves to go
continental! Keep up the good work, Bill! -S. ]

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From: "John P. Withers" <???????????????????>
Subject: Kirstens


I love your mailing list and have been quietly reading for a while now. Lots
of good advice and comment has come my way from this list and I wanted to
pass a bit on back.

Basically it comes down to a tremendous plug for Kirsten pipes. About a year
or so ago I saw a small note, I think in this list, about them and have kept
the name in the back of my mind since. Recently I went to Seattle where
these pipes are produced and stopped by the factory store. After smoking a
bowl I immediately purchased three of these excellent pipes.

Kirstens are a strange breed of pipes designed by an aeronautical engineer.
The bowls are made of good briar, but the stems are specially designed
hollow aluminum and due to some fairly clever tricks trap all the moisture
of the tobac as well as cooling the smoke.

While I am not in the same league with many of the veteran pipe smokers on
this list, I have been smoking for a few years now and have a small but
diverse collection of fifteen or so pipes (not counting corncobs) that range
from pure synthetics (The Pipe) to clay to meerschaum to a few good Peterson
and Savinelli briars. But none of my pipes even comes close to these
Kirstens. The very first bowl I smoked in the shop burnt to a perfect fine
white ash with no dottle at all and was the coolest smoke I have ever

Further, these pipes are modular and all of the parts are interchangeable.
It is very inexpensive to buy a couple of extra bowls and change them out,
providing a cheap alternative to multiple pipes and rest times for hard
smokers. And I also suspect that these pipes require a lot less rest time
than other pipes due to the fact that VERY little moisture stays in the bowl
if you smoke it all the way down. I haven't really closely monitored this so
I am not positive, but I do know that I have run about twenty bowls through
the favorite of my new Kirstens without cleaning and haven't detected the
slightest hint of sourness yet.

I know it sounds like I work for these guys, but I am just so incredibly
impressed with these fairly inexpensive and excellent smoking pipes that I
have become a true believer.

For those interested, you can get a catalog from:

PO Box 70526
Seattle, WA 98170-0526 USA

Thanks for putting up with my evangelical ranting.

John P. Withers
John P. Withers		|  If I knew it was harmless
???????????????????	|  I would have
??????????????????	|  killed it myself. -PK Dick

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From: Jon (????????????????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

Hi Steve,

I've been reading the Pipes Digest from the Web page for somr time now
and I really enjoy it.  Thanks for all your effort.

You have spoken about smoking a blend from L.L. Bean's, and lamenting
that it isn't available anymore.  One of our Michigan pipe shops has a
blend they call "Bean's Natural" that is supposed to be a copy.  I have
some and if you will send me your snailmail address, I will be happy to
send you a sample.

The Store is:  Austin's Fine Pipes & Tobacco
               4340 Bay Road
               Saginaw, Michigan 48603
               (517) 792-4731
               (800) 572-1993


[ Snail address sent, and yes, I would appreciate the sample, Jon! -S. ]

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From: Jon "Barney" Kleist (??????????????????????)
Subject: posting from pipes page

As a response to Kenneth Seguin's posting in PD #234 about a "curious
bit" in the Larsen booklet, which says something about mixture cuts
working best in a wider, less tall bowl and flake cuts going better in a
taller, narrower bowl, I'd like to say that the point is not that
different tobaccos inherently smoke better or worse in a particular bowl
shape.  Rather, the point is that good smoking is more likely in a bowl
that facilitates proper PACKING of the tobacco.  Proper packing is
facilitated by a bowl that; 1. allows the tobacco to settle easily into
the bottom as it is filled and tamped, thus promoting even packing, and
2. minimizes the ability of the packed tobacco to come loose and
unpacked when the pipe is jostled in the teeth or otherwise jarred.  A
flake cut tends not to adhere to itself as well as the so-called
"mixture cut" or ribbon cut. For purposes of cleaning or reaming the
bowl, one should prefer a wide open bowl.  But this ideal is sacrificed
for a narrower, comparatively "taller", bowl, which will tend to hold
the less packable flake cut in place better and so offer a better smoke.
A wider, proportionately shorter bowl will hold the more self-adhering
ribbon cuts without being narrow, and allows this cut to settle into the
bottom of the bowl better than a narrow bowl would.  Any bowl shape will
do, IF the tobacco can be PROPERLY packed into it.  Good packing
characteristics are more easily obtained with a bowl shape that
acommodates the particular packing qualities of the tobacco used.

When viewed in this light, the "curious bit" in the Larsen booklet is
not so curious.  I certainly invite further discussion of this issue.
I'd like to invite the posting of a view different from mine, and
elaboration of this view, whichever may be appropriate.  

-- Jon "Barney" Kleist

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Article Index

  1. Subject: Pipes Digest #235 -- April 18, 1997
  2. Subject: JC Shin: Toronto Smoking Ban Update
  3. Subject: posting from pipes page
  4. Subject: Making a pipe
  5. Subject: Growing, Blending and Curing
  6. Subject: Trip report: Santa Fe and Taos, New Mexico
  7. Subject: Letterman Quits Cigar Smoking
  8. Subject: Hello Again
  9. Subject: Post for the digest....
  10. Subject: RE: Pipes Digest #234 -- April 1, 1997
  11. Subject: Some Observations on the UK Scene
  12. Subject: Tobacconists in the UK
  13. Subject: posting from pipes page
  14. Subject: Re: Pipes Digest #234 -- April 1, 1997
  15. Subject: question for the digest
  16. Subject: Some favorite places to pipe ....
  17. Subject: Mango Cavendish
  18. Subject: Dunhill "Estate Pipes"
  19. Subject: For Sale
  20. Subject: posting from pipes page
  21. Subject: [Fwd: http://home.pt-magazine.com/pt-mag/]
  22. Subject: James Upshall filter pipes
  23. Subject: Greetings From Greece
  24. Subject: New Barcelona Pipa Club web pages
  25. Subject: posting from pipes page
  26. Subject: posting from pipes page
  27. Subject: Clay
  28. Subject: posting from pipes page
  29. Subject: Antiquarian Tobaciana
  30. Subject: Pipe Club News
  31. Subject: Kirstens
  32. Subject: posting from pipes page
  33. Subject: posting from pipes page
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